And so when you take that and think about how do you make the football program better, then you take that every sport you have. The department, the university, How do you continue to get better? And that's what he's been really inspiring, I think, to all of us to do that. Why was he the right choice when when you need it? Because that was That was a pretty quick transition when you decided to make a change there. Well, it was. But you know, there was about a year when he got inducted in the Hall of Fame. He came back that summer, and, you know, when he came into the room, we introduced him. We had a lot of his former players back, people that were here when he was coaching. They all came, and I just felt a sense. That boy, he really has a charisma that very few people have. And then, um you know, when things didn't work out with Larry, it just it seemed to make sense to me that that would be the direction we would dio. He has been in the studio. He's been, uh, working with an awful lot of different coaches traveling around, learning different things. And I could tell in a couple of conversations with him we still had a fire to do it, Um, and that's what you worry about when some of these coaches gets out of coaching, whether or not they want to get back. And can you redo it at a place that you've been before? And you know, when I was thinking about that, we went back and researched. The two or three other coaches have tried to do it. Some have been more successful than others, but he has far exceeded my expectations, and he's really put an awful lot of great light of Carolina, all right, But let's get to another question. This one comes from Carter and Carter said, curious about your thoughts on Olympic sports playing a C C Championships in the fall but then having to reconvene to play in the N C double late season in the spring. So if you don't know what Carter's talking about, for example, field hockey just finished its season one the A C C tournament a couple of days ago, and then it will have essentially a second season in the spring and will compete again. We'll have a handful of regular season games, and then we'll try to get into the NC double A tournament and compete from there. So certainly a unique scenario for some of these false sports. It is a unique scenario, but ironically, men's soccer has been trying for about five years the hat to play in both semesters. Really, they think it's much healthier in the rest of the world. Play soccer. Were you only playing one time a week Like football that tryingto play soccer competitively a couple times a week just isn't good from a health and safety standpoint. So this is actually what they're calling the 21st century model. And so, whether they like it or not, we're trying it. So the and what we're doing as a league is we're gonna play a championship in the fall and a championship in the spring, and that will determine our automatic qualifier for the tournament. And it's funny. I think some of our coaches air calling the fall sports. We're gonna play in the spring or fling sports, so we've got a fling. Sports have been playing, so we're gonna category that's gonna be playing 27 sports in the fall, Plus, football will be practicing. I know that Mario Van Gelder and Rick Stein Bacher have put together schedules of how we're gonna play all these sports. But we we did reduce the sport count as well. So are false sports. We're gonna play 20% fewer games than they typically play spring sports 10% fewer games. So it does reduce it a little bit. That will reduce in costs that will reduce the wear and tear on the fields. And our travel is well, so it'll be unique. We do have some sports like wrestling and gymnastics and fencing and basketball swimming. They do bridge both semesters, so but for a volleyball program or a soccer program, or feel talking to play two is gonna be different. But, you know, our kids love to play. I mean, would you much prefer to play the practice? Sure, of course. That's what they're all saying. This'd is, Ah, great question here. I believe it's Benjamin. Read, I believe, is the question asked her, and I know it's one that, at least from the football side of things, because I've heard Coach Brown talk about this a lot about trying to figure this out about the extended year of eligibility for sports this year. So, essentially, if you don't if you don't have not heard about this, the double said that everybody can compete this year and not have it affect their eligibility that they can have this year again. I just finished it on how you're trying to get your arms around that when it comes to roster limit scholarships, etcetera. Be careful with Benjamin. Read. Well, he's in. Our attorney is our Orange Bowl rep. Is that right? His wife, Jenny Lou, is that Miami grad. So I'm always concerned when he I think it may be an ulterior motive. To try is taking notes. Write something something, and he's down there in Miami checking on us. But he's right. We do have a challenge with the scholarships, and we have a challenge with eligibility and the challenges. We're just gonna get stacked up with students, and it's really gonna impact the high school students. So if you have additional scholarships and you have additional years of eligibility, quite frankly, are men's lacrosse team has almost 60 players on the team this year. In football we have between our freshmen and sophomores, I think we have 54 kids on the team, and so basically, that becomes your freshman class. So when they go to graduate, you're gonna have a big drop off. And so we can't continue to say everybody gets another year are rosters will be too big, and financially, it's gonna be almost impossible to cover 1/5 year on top of for your scholarships, particularly when you have 2018. So while I love the opportunities for kids to compete, I love the opportunity to give a scholarship. At some point that four year participation needs to expire, and you need to move on and do something else, because that creates space for someone behind you. I think this the spirit of the idea was in the right place. But the actual execution of the idea is the whole. There are some challenges. When it first happened last year and we said spring sports got cut, what do you think? I said, Absolutely, They should get an extra year. We should monitor the scholarship two or three semesters in a row. We can't afford it and it does. It does create a problem for the kids that are in high school right now. So I think, unfortunately, that's life, and we're gonna have to move on. We'll move on to another question. This one comes from anonymous attendee. I can understand why you wouldn't want to be a part of this. Have your name associated with it. Once, you know this person might be in Louisville. It wants to know when the coaches might be able to go out and recruit again. And I'd had a follow up to that on how you've seen your coaches try to continue to recruit, even though they can't go out and see people or have people come to their campus as frequent. Well, you're trying to get me in trouble now. You're trying to have me explain the recruiting This, which is a nightmare. So far, um, recruiting. It looks like we're going to remain in a dead period until mid April. And so that means we can have kids come to campus and our coaches can't go off campus. But recruiting videos, things that they can a recruit can come to your website and look at or things that you can email directly to them. We could do some of those things, and Nate would, in our compliance office probably said, Well, I can't believe he said that. So we have to check all this with Nate. But the I do know that the official visits unofficial visits were not having those until April. So what that means is our websites more important, um, the production facilities over here? More important, the experience that recruits see on television, the broadcast of the games, theater views with coaches, all of the publicity, the social media, everything associated with our university and with those sports programs is more and more important. The plus side from a departmental standpoint, is we can't recruit. We can't host recruits are expensive. They're going to do S O. That is helpful to us, but not great. If your coach trying to say, who do I want to attract? To be in the class of 21 22 23? Good question here from John, and not just because he says he likes the podcast, but thank you for that. John wanted to know if has there been any chatter about possibly eliminating the division model for football. I know a C c. Of course, going through it this year with just one full conference and not the Atlantic and the coastal divisions. Any any talk about that too, you know? Well, it's kind of a running joke with the A. D s that we have an eight conference games or nine. Are we changing divisions or we're going to want it seems like it comes up at every meeting. And so, yeah, we always talk about that, and there's absolutely no consensus way voted it in. We voted in nine, we voted out, we voted one division, we voted out. So, you know, right now I think it's working the way it is. I do like having to divisional champions going to the championship game. So, you know, the Coastal Division. We've got a little bit better job, you know, we have been dominated by the Atlantic. We've had what, seven straight years of a different winner in the coastal division. So, you know, I think if you're in the Atlantic, you say, Hey, we've got Clemson way up here. We need to balance this out a little bit, but we're getting there and in our game with Clemson, last year was terrific. I'd love to play him twice this year. That's right. Once I guess we could play him once we got playing. Once we're done playing twice. We like to play in. Once here, coming up in just a little bit, Um, question from another anonymous attendee. Do you think parents will be able to attend basketball games this year? Coach Brown was very adamant about the ability for parents to come and watch football games. Any idea yet about that on the basketball side? Not 100% sure, but it's our top priority. Are top priorities. Get the parents in first and for basketball the second prior to get our students here. You know when you were the problem is people leaving different areas coming together and then going back in spreading the virus were experiencing that on campus. When students came, we had a virus spread were concerned students leaving campus will be a virus spread. So even during basketball season, having people drive in from other areas and come to a game doesn't seem to make sense, so the top priority will be our parents of student athletes. Second priority, be students on campus and then third. If we get to fans or the general public, that's what we would get to on the 3rd 3rd tier. But I know a question that comes up a lot. And, of course, you have a history with Notre Dame and question from Kurt about your thoughts on Notre Dame potentially joining the A C C for football. At some point. Of course, the Fighting Irish member of every other sport in the Atlantic Coast Conference. And they do have a 50 50 type of relationship on the football side of things wearing a traditional year. They do have five opponents scheduled from the A C C. Right. You know Notre Dame really values their independence. They like playing a national schedule playing five a. C C. Schools allows them to play seven other non non conference games, if you will, and I think there's three fundamental things for them to stay as an independent. Number one is they have to have access to the college football playoffs, which they do. Number two. They need to maintain their television contract with NBC or some other broadcaster and number three They need a great place for their Olympic sports to compete, and right now they have all three. So until one of those three things change, I don't think they would join the league. I'd love them, join the league, and I think they've had a lot to our league this year. But to me, and I was part of some of those early discussions when I was working there, and fundamentally, that's what we've kind of boiled it down to, and I think the same. Three things are important to them today. Got a good question from Dennis and Dennis mentioned, and we talked about this a little bit earlier about Clemson and Stanford, for example, he mentions East Carolina's well of Division one schools that have had to cut sports. He's just curious of. Do you know what that discussion is like? Is that are there meetings or their public calls for support? You know, if you get to that point, how would that actually play out if you were making that decision? Yes, well, unfortunately, there's, there's a number of different ways you can do it. Um, unfortunately, when I was a ball state, we end up dropping a couple of sports, and you and I really didn't off a lot of research at that point, said. You know what's the best way to do it? There's really two polar opposite ways to do it. One is, you get a very small group together in the room and say, Okay, we have to make some budget cuts. What are we gonna do? And then you come back a some points, a surprise. This is what we're doing and starts tomorrow. We're cutting all these sports. The other way to do it is to have public meetings and talk about it, debate it, think about it, gather community input, gathered student input and then come to some kind of a decision based on a lot of input from outside folks. Neither one is right. Both of them are painful, and it's something you're trying to avoid. I'm currently on the US OPC. That's the U. S. Olympic in Paralympic Committee, and we're trying to figure out how do we support the Olympic movement in the United States and maintain the college sports? And also I'm interested in tying that to youth sports Think I think there's such great value in sport that we need to do everything we can tow, continue to provide opportunities for kids to play, go to high school and play, go to college and play, and then continue in a healthy lifestyle beyond your competition. And so I really wanna make sure that we're thoughtful about these opportunities and do everything we can to maintain them for as long as we possibly can. Alright, we have about 10 minutes left on our broadcast tonight. Again, we really appreciate you guys joining us. Want to get some more questions? We do have some or, uh, that are already in the queue. If you wanna ask your questions. Just used the Q and a button. If you're watching via computer that Q and A buttons at the bottom. If you're watching on your mobile device, I believe that Q and a option is at the top of your screen. Bubba, before we get to some more questions, I wanted to ask you about two initiatives at Carolina. One is the Carolina Victory Fund, and one is the forever her campaign. I always have to make sure I say that correctly. Could could you tell Carolina fans a little bit about both those things. Those air. Two wonderful things. The Carolina Victory Fund is something the RAM stop just came up with recently. Which is how do we support the Carolina athletic program? Given today's environment, we know we we talked about ticket sales earlier. We were short on ticket sales. So what can we do right now? Unrestricted money to help support the athletic department this year so we can reduce the deficit that we're gonna have to carry forward the forever Tar Heels campaign? I think he's absolutely fantastic. That is something that Sue Walsh and Leah. We just got married. Uh, Sorgen. Her last name escaped me for a second has done. It's written. That's $100 million campaign just for women's athletics. Are programs are absolutely outstanding for our women, and this gives us a chance to sustain them in perpetuity. Ah, 100 million. No one has ever attempted to raise 100 million just for women's athletics, and I think it's incredibly visionary as who was when she was here working full time raising money for the scholarship program. So those air to funds that I cannot emphasize enough the importance for Carolina, the importance for our athletic department and the importance for those students to be able to compete. But But we had a question here from Rob about the number of teams we were talking about. Carolina has a Sierra 28 teams. Wants to know how that compares to other A C C. Schools. Onley one. Boston College is the only a C c. School that has more is that correct? Boston College has 31 but many of those are not, um n c double A sports sailing in a couple of others, and they don't, um, fund them the way we do. We fully scholarship all of our programs with the exception of growing in Genet and uh, in fencing. Uh, they don't fund very many of theirs. And they don't have coaches full of full complement of coaches on many of their teams. So we we feel like we have the biggest program in the country. Uh, Duke, Notre Dame in Virginia are very similar to what the sports offering that we have question, Let's see from Joe says, with so much stress involved with Cove, it just how are you doing? How are you doing? How are your sports administrators doing? How have you guys tried? Uh, maybe on an individual level toe level to try and manage through all of this. Well, I think we're all doing great. You know, the whole thing. You know, the university didn't shut down, but we certainly did identified, and everybody kind of went their own way. But I continue to come into the office. Um, I don't think the chancellor knows that. So don't tell them that I designated myself as essential personnel s, so I can sometimes you gotta take it in your own hands. E came in, I was in here. You're here quite a bit too, by the way. And so that was you know, So I've been coming in. It hasn't changed a lot. And then most of our staff was working remotely throughout most of the summer. And then as the students started to come back in July, coaches came back and then our staff came back, and then the students came back. But for this semester, of the vast majority of our staff have been here. Um, but the protocol we followed the protocols with the mask and the Lysol and wiping things down. We have sprayers everywhere. We have hand sanitizers everywhere, so it's been very safe, and I have felt comfortable. And I think that we've been really helpful to our staff. If you don't feel comfortable, don't come. We'll figure out a way for you to work remotely. And our managers and supervisors been terrific with their staff. And so we have some that want to come back and be here all the time and others that wanna work remotely and we're accommodating them. And the campus has been terrific. Whether it's been the HR department or in any of our folks have just been so understanding of the complications associated with yes, but how closely do you work with campus? And then you also mentioned the chancellor and Carolina just recently officially installed Kevin Guskiewicz, who has an athletic background as the as the new chancellor at UNC. I'd be interested in your relationship with Kevin as well. Well, it's been great. You know. Kevin's been here for 25 years now was formerly he was the head of exercising sports science. He was head of the college and so I've got to know him in the time that I've been here, but when you work daily with somebody, you get to know somebody a lot better and he's been fantastic. He's a scientist, obviously by educational training, and so he gets a lot of information. He makes a decision and he gathers that and it makes it and moves on. And he's been terrific toe work for. He understands and appreciates the value of college athletics. He understands the risk associated with college athletics. But he also understands the benefits of college athletics, and he's been outstanding toe work with. I do report directly to him. So when I say it was essential personnel, if you report directly the chancellor, I think you get to be in that category, um and so whether you know, So I interact with the vice chancellors and and I think our input into the decision making process is important, and certainly for me to be hearing what's going on campus, why it allows me to communicate that to our coaches and to our students. Let's take maybe two more questions here, bub, and then we'll wrap things up tonight. This one wants to know if you have an opinion on the future of college basketball, say so many athletes going to the MBA after one year. New league, some players skipping college altogether. And do you think that college basketball as a sport will still be able to draw some top athletes? Absolutely. I think college basketball is incredibly exciting. I don't think students that wanna go from high school to the G League or high school to a European League is bad for college sports. I actually think that if they don't want, if they want to pursue that professional activity, go ahead. I think that's fine. I would much rather have kids in college that wanna be in college. We've got 21,000 seats over here that wanna watch Carolina students play basketball, and I think every one of our kids have been fantastic. Whether it's Marcus Page or you know Garrison Brooks, this year, they wanna come watch somebody represent their school. The professional thing is terrific, but I think that we want to provide kids more choices. If they want to do that, go ahead because this is still a special place. And college basketball's a unique thing that the the country loves and they see it march in particular. Alright, tomb or said to Maura second ago. But Caitlin, your questions will be our last one. Our next to last comes from Howard and says that Howard remembers having so much fun with Inter mural competition and what has happened to the inter mural programs. And I'd be interested to bubble just how the athletic department works with the inter mural programs. If it all here at Carolina, well, we have a great relationship with them because we share an awful lot of facilities. You know, we built the Karen Shelton Stadium. We have the indoor facility, They we have hooker fields. They have hooker fields were on Carmichael wherein Fetzer So we all share facilities were probably the Onley Division one school in the country that shares the way we do. And we've got a terrific relationship with campus rec. And ideally, in my opinion, there shouldn't be this huge divide between intercollegiate athletics and recreation or club sports. It should be much more of a continuum. Now is talking about you sports, whether whether you're just ah, person that wants to jog and get a little bit of exercise or you wanna play competitively and intramurals or in a club and travel and play or intercollegiate, we should all be honoring the people that want to stay in shape and stay fit, stay healthy and be competitive. And so I'm delighted that this university embraces that, and I think that would be actually healthier for many other universities. If they could get to that as well, because I think when you isolate yourself, you're removing yourself from the rest of the campus community. I don't think that's a good idea. I think we should all be integrated and to recognize that. What do we hear for sure? We're here to get kids a great education and provide an incredible experiences outside the classroom, and I think that's one of the experiences we want to provide. But the last question. I think it's a good one from Caitlin to help us wrap things up here tonight, she said. What have you learned about leadership during this difficult time? And have you changed or added skills that you think would be beneficial toe others in leadership roles? Well, that's a great question. I do think I learned that you cannot over communicate in a crisis you can't overcome. You can communicate in general and if you suffer like that, you can't communicate at all. So you gotta be able to figure that out. But I do think communication is everything you know. It's a communication between coworkers, communication between the Boston employees, between the student and the coach, and so we would solve so many problems in our society if we communicated better. There's also direct communication. There's a lot of different ways to communicate. We can do it this way. We could do it by video. We could do it by writing. And I think you need all of those to really see the full picture to really have an understanding. And you also have to be able to listen. And I think that's probably as we talked a little bit earlier, about the pandemic, the social issues, the racial issues. I think what we've learned as a department I know I have is learned toe listen and understand different viewpoints, and I think that has been something that has been very helpful to many of us within the department. So well, not everything has been horrible. With the pandemic there have been a few bright and shining spots. It has given an opportunity to learn, to grow, to communicate and hopefully make yourself better because we can't get better as a department unless we all get better individuals. Eso That's part of our responsibility to grow into Dan to develop. Gosh, we've had a lot of fun with you tonight. We really appreciate you joining us. Just a couple of reminders about some things that we have coming up. Carolina football is off this weekend. It is exam week for the end of the fall semester. So football team is off no game this weekend. Next opportunity to see the Tarheels will be black Friday day after Thanksgiving, It's a 3 30 kick against Notre Dame. That, of course, will be an exciting match up. The basketball team starts its season, the women's basketball team starting its season as well the day before Thanksgiving. So Wednesday, November 25th, both the men and the women will be competing here in Chapel Hill, so look forward to getting those seasons underway and push through. The final month football season is well plus all kinds of winter sports about to get going wrestling and others around Carolina Athletics in a busy spring season upcoming as well. And I'm supposed to remind you that there the next Tar Heels together event will be on December the second. So December the second in the next Tar Heels together event. Hope you've had fun. Hope we haven't soured you on the Tar Heels together event because we had a great time with you. But one more thing I forgot to mention and I just learned this today from Clinton Walton. Oh, baby. So you know, it's good. We're going to be the first team we're gonna be where? The oldest university in the country. And we're gonna be the first team to drive to the Maui invitation. That's right. It will be a little look a little different in Nashville this year. The first ever team to drive to the Maui Invitational. That's a good way to end it. Thanks so much for being with us public. Great to talk with you as always. And thanks for your time. Thank you, Jones. And thank you for being with us here tonight. Hope to see you again soon. And, gosh, hope to see you on campus here soon as well as we get. Watch a Tar Heel team compete. Have a terrific evening and go heels four minutes early. Good work. We made it back.