Raleigh City Council discusses downtown parking
The Raleigh City Council meeting Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2021 to discuss adding free, temporary downtown parking to aid small businesses.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Mm hmm. E mhm. E e. Uh huh. Right, E. Okay. Thank you, everyone. Welcome to today's Raleigh City Council meeting. We're going to start with the present agenda. Um, one item has been pulled. That is by Councilor fort J two No parking zones, Trenton Woods. Way Councilor for it. Uh, mayor, we, uh, did ask for that. I'm gonna be pulled considered after we go through public here. And I have several constituents who want to speak on the matter. Hey, during, um, the public comment period. Correct. That's correct. All right, we will take this up after public comment, then do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda minus J two? Thank you. Um, council member Stewart, Do I have a second? Um, Councilor Branch, all in favor. Please raise your hands. Okay. Clerk, that was unanimous. Right? The next item then, will be public comment. I just want to remind everybody the rules of decorum. Um, please say it every time, but, um, I'm hoping with the spirit of Dr King, we actually remember some of these words with about love versus hatred and kindness. Um, we can all agree to disagree, but let's do so respectfully. Um, first we'll hear from Michael Pendergrass. King. Hi, my name is Michael Pendergrass, and I live at 30 15 Brentwood Road here in Raleigh. I've lived in the triangle for about 25 years and in Brentwood for the last 10, and I came here today to talk to you about the proposed Brentwood traffic calming project. The traffic on Brentwood Road is atrocious compared to other residential streets in the area. The street is used as a regular cut between Capitol Boulevard and New Hope Church Row. And if I had to guess, I would say at least 70% of the traffic that we see is through traffic, not neighborhood residents. The people who use broom would is a cut through are not responsible or courteous drivers. The posted speed limit is 25 miles an hour, and people regularly do 50 at least once a month. Someone will pass me on a two lane residential street with double yellow lines. I get passed by people who want me to go faster. I have regular daily traffic of 18 wheelers and dump trucks driving by my house. The speed bumps help someone, but most of the people just try and see how fast they can go in between. And twice I have needed to render first aid to someone in my front yard because of a T bone accident on the corner. The last time that happened was the week before Christmas. The proposed project would either reduce or completely remove those issues and improve the safety of our neighborhood. As a parent, I appreciate the safety and is a homeowner and someone who works from home in an office that fronts Brentwood Road. I would appreciate the reduce traffic noise and just the overall reduction in traffic. I understand that during the normal process, we didn't receive the required response rate for approval. But this year has been anything but normal. The planning process occurred during a pandemic. The vote for approval happened during a very busy election process. This isn't anyone's fault. It's just bad luck in time. But the votes we did get were overwhelmingly in favor of the project. I hope you'll all be willing to grant us an exception to the process and start the project as soon as feasible, and I did want to say this, but a specific thanks to David Cox for helping helping us bring this to you all today. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Michael. Next we have Brigid O Boyle. Hello. Thank you for having me. My name is Bridget O Boyle. I live it. 34 No one Mason Place, which is in the Brentwood neighborhood. And I'm also here to talk about the Brentwood traffic calming. I'm a Raleigh native. I was born and raised in Raleigh. I've lived in about seven neighborhoods around Raleigh and my husband and I moved to Brent. What? This summer Bruins? An incredible neighborhood. The park that the city has been improving highlights the family aspect of our neighborhood that we have come toe love. But like Michael just said, I have never experienced traffic in a neighborhood like I have on Brentwood Road. I would say at least two times a month, I am passed across the double yellow or confronted with headlights in my lane as someone else is being passed. And that's in broad daylight at night. It's faster. It's scarier. It's louder. Just two weeks ago, there was a horrific accident on Brentwood not Brentwood and capital, but Brentwood. In our neighborhood, people in the street injured multiple cars. It was really scary and eye opening. While I'm disappointed that their rally citizens to act this way, they don't have any regard for public safety. They're not really my concern. My concern are really my neighbors, my neighbors, kids who are learning how to ride bikes, wiggling and strollers walking to the park. My neighbors, they're doing yard work as a car passes their house at 50 or 60 MPH. It sounds like an exaggeration, but it's not. I have stopped wearing headphones on walks. I feel like I need to hear the cars. I need to hear the screeching tires as someone almost gets rear ended as their past leading up to or right after one of those speed humps. I just really want my neighborhood to feel like I live in the city of Raleigh, because right now it doesn't. The city has already done the hard work. The traffic study, the plans for the traffic calming. They solve the issue of Brentwood Road being such a straight away cut through, but sending out a ballot in Onley, English to a bilingual neighborhood in the middle of election season, when our mailbox were flooded with everyday male and every candidate's male of every candidate that was on the ballot, they just got lost. It wasn't really enough. The studies have proven that our neighborhood needs this, and my ask is really that we can go ahead and approve it. I'm really worried that if it's not approved, if we don't start implementing, we'll be back and it will eventually be approved. But it will be at the cost of another accident. Another serious accident. Another Siris of serious accidents. I really hope we can approve this and move forward with the traffic calming on Brentwood Road. I'm asking that on behalf of myself, my neighbors and really the safety of our community. Thank you. Thank you very much for sharing that. Next we have Christina Jones. Thank you. This is Christina Jones at 8005 Finland drive. Good afternoon. Thank you, Mickey Fern, for your presentation to City Council last week. Your strategies are a good starting point for citizen engagement. And I hope that a representative from the disbanded C A C structure will be selected toe work with the community team that you spoke of as RCC chair. I believe I'm a good candidate for that role. What does accountability look like? Political accountability is when a politician makes a choice on behalf of the people and the people have the ability to reward or sanction that politician. Those who hold their actions accountable follow these steps. They take responsibility. They don't make excuses there on time. They control their own fate. They own their feelings. They manage expectations. They collaborate, and they don't expect praise. C. A. C s were a foundation to build from to accomplish what you spoke of. The idea is that CCS didn't work. Cannot rest solely on those volunteers who gave their time on behalf of the city. Collaboration between multiple departments, including council itself, is necessary for a well rounded citizen engagement. And I was happy to see that reflected in Mr Ferns. Presentation Council never gave CCS clear direction on what they wanted, and a year later, I'm not sure councils direction is any clearer. I understand accountability can feel like an attack when you're not ready to acknowledge how your behavior harms others. But let's look at it as us working together for the good of Raleigh. How can we help you? Our message seems to be getting lost in the constant back and forth what was right and wrong about C A. C s. We share a mutual respect for Raleigh residents and we need to focus on that. We can help amplify your voice to our current community while working with you to expand our reach. We're still meeting monthly with residents and our audience is growing every month. Work with us and help us continue to bridge between continue to be a bridge between residents and their elected representatives. Our success mission is to educate Raleigh residents on important issues impacting their daily lines. We will be meeting tomorrow night at 7 p.m. On Zoom. Everyone is welcome and I encourage everyone, including council toe, follow us on Facebook for updates. Our guest speaker this month will be the city. The chief of staff for the city of Raleigh. He will be reviewing the city manager form of government that Raleigh follows and what that structure means to residents. We will also have a presentation from the Transportation Department in regards to their Commute Smart program. Find our zoom link by searching for Raleigh Citizens Advisory Council on Facebook. We look forward to meeting you tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you, Christina. Next we have Richard Johnson. Richard Johnson, 32 25 a close circle the City of Raleigh doesn't have. The resource is to address many quality of life issues, from leaf collection to stopping cars, racing on the beltline to fixing potholes, to maintaining and building our parts or even building sidewalks. Yet this council, the Council of Cane, is planning to give several 100 million of our tax dollars to John King for his downtown south boondoggle. Kane. We're not busy donating and campaigning for Donald Trump and other radical Republicans is pushing a Tyg a tax incentive grant. This is just another tool to reduce taxes on the wealthy at the extent of the working class and the poor and the needy. And we know Kings first priority is not to build truly affordable housing, but to build a soccer stadium, a soccer stadium for a team that has just been downgraded to a lower level Ah soccer stadium when we already have adequate venues for sports in this area. If John Kane and Steve Malik want to build a soccer stadium, let them pay for it. We don't need welfare for the rich. The fact that the city of Raleigh has already put staff to work on this policy, while not surprising, is disheartening and worrisome. No wonder you're known as the Council of came in the middle of a pandemic and economic distress for our citizens and businesses. And at a time when growth is not slowed in wake, plenty of responsible developers offer many amenities and successful projects without a tyg. This is the wrong approach for our city, especially at this time. We have huge unfunded infrastructure, public safety and human service needs. In fact, just a few minutes ago, with your work session, you talked about how dreadful our fiscal outlook is reducing our revenue stream in this manner to prop up already rich developer is not an effective long term strategy. And we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars. Here. Here is supposed to be the Raleigh City Council, not the Council of Cane. Next we have James. Um I am Marco. Yes, Thanks, Mayor Baldwin. Good afternoon. I presented some slides if we could jump the slide to titled Background. I appreciate it. My name's James Item Marco, one of 16 residents of Trenton Place. I wanted to speak to the J 200% no parking petition, which was signed by every homeowner. I want to thank the council for listening to our concerns. I want to thank the staff for acknowledging some of the unsafe conditions. And while we appreciate transportations recommendation is a step forward. It leaves approximately 240 ft or eight spaces of dangerous conditions to persist for the residents, um, and the people who come to park here. So today we would ask the council to two later, modify the recommendation and approve the petition for 100%. No parking. Let me just quickly highlight some obvious dangerous conditions, but also the ones that, maybe or less obvious, were adjacent to new developments that have evolved over the years. A gate entrance toe, Armstead Park is right around the corner. This entrance was not designed to be a public access point. There are official access points with ample parking toe. Allow everyone to enjoy enjoy the 5000 acres of months that Park, which we fully support. The Greenway connector is, you know, is going to extend from the park. It's gonna cut right across our subdivision in front of some of these photos. You see, the recently approved bandwidth headquarters just a few weeks ago is less than 1.5 miles away. That's going to bring about 1200 plus employees. You can stay on the slide. I'll go ahead and tell you when to advance it, if you don't mind, um, so and the major SAS employee entrance is less than a mile away in the other direction. One very important thing to note is that today, based on the homeowners covenants were restricted. No homeowners were permitted to park on these streets, and questions for these same safety concerns. Um, so our neighborhood has become a default parking lot, which brings unique issues. Not surprisingly, park goers must unload vehicles with pets, small Children's bicycles, right in the middle of these narrow streets. Two cars cannot pass, as you can see in this photo anywhere along the street where there's a parked vehicle. So where the perfect storm for danger arises when vehicles were trying to enter or exit subdivision. As you can imagine in this photo and trying to navigate around the park cars, this is a huge issue for emergency vehicles or to access the fire hydrant. You compound this with neighborhood neighbors, eggs exists, exiting their driveways directly across from these parked cars. If you could go to the next slide, please. Now, on this slide you see a string of vehicles and during peak periods this grows about 8 to 10 vehicles, creating unsafe conditions. So what? What's less obvious is that any vehicle that enters this subdivision, often speeding, will make a U turn at the end of the street or use resident driveway so they can conveniently parked, facing out of the subdivision. So in the photo that you can see that the recommendation by the staff, um, is gonna leave parking, it basically is shifting the problem further into the subdivision, another less if you go to the next slide. Another, less obvious concern is that when people disembark their vehicles, they open all the car doors. As you could see this woman doing here, they exit with bikes or pets or small Children unaware of the unsafe environment. They're creating James. Yes. I'm sorry. Your minutes are up. OK, thank thank you for the consideration. Okay. Did the, um did you have any other residents speaking on this? I had several residents that are were aware of the staff recommendation. Who wrote a letter trying to encourage a vote for 100% no parking versus the recommendation, which did eliminate some dangerous no parking, but not all of it. And that's what I tried to present today. T to illustrate some of that. Yeah. Okay, well, this was pulled from the consent agenda, and we will be discussing it. Theme? The public comment. Thank you for that. Okay, James. Thank you. You're welcome. Um, next Harland Maryland parlance. I just wanted to indicate I did receive several letters of opposition, uh, to this that were forwarded to cancel. I just want to make that a part of the record. Okay. Thank you. Um, next we have Tim Niles. Tim Niles. 115 or nine middle Avian drive. Last week, Counselor Stewart made the most offensive remark I've heard from the council table. She said there are folks who show up that every space, every venue we offer we are hearing the same voices in all of these different spaces. I have heard from folks who don't engage. You say these folks turn them off using the term space sounds as though she is offended to have citizens violating her personal space. Stewart and this council have been so successful in vilifying engaged citizens in discrediting their opinions, she now has people telling her the sound of their voices turned them off. Well done, counselor. This is not new for Stewart and her renters. For him. She welcomed the attendees With this, the city has been really good at engaging with white homeowners for a really long time. She justified her vote to N. C A. C, saying she wanted to right size. The voice is being heard. She is such a champion of engagement. She published a survey almost a year ago asking how people want to engage and has never released the results. Must have been the wrong size voices. It sounds like she wants to. Gerry Mander. The voice is being heard by a council. We get it, counselor. You think by now these obstinate old white homeowners would figure out you don't care what they think and would just go away at least until you convince the larger group who do agree with you to start engaging and drown them out. Hate of the 18 c A. C s U abolished were located in majority black neighborhoods in 2017 47% of the C A C chairs were black. Your characterization of the C A. C s being a bunch of old white homeowners is not and never has been accurate. Yes, the city should encourage more participation. You don't do that by demonizing those who are engaged telling them you've heard enough from them, as Stewart did in her G in our committee, refusing to allow the public to speak. Ah homeowner wanted a sewer line moved by 50 ft. The move was approved by staff is doable. It would have saved trees and wildlife habitat. But Stewart, the self described environmentalist, denied her right to speak to protect her property from being unnecessarily destroyed. You also don't encourage more participation by appointing the same older white male homeowner to three different boards. Stewart should be thankful citizens do show up at her spaces. Her renter's forum was not a huge success. I was there, encroaching on her space. By my count, there were 31 attendees. Three were counselors, seven staff, one reporter of the 12 actual attendees. I identified seven his regular see a sea goers Onley, two of the remaining 13 identified as renters. A citywide meetings she hailed as a great success. Had less attendance than a monthly C A C meeting for a neighborhood. But then those the attendees are the people she and her friends are turned off by. I'm so glad I started this by asking people to be kind. That was the exact opposite of being kind. Um, Councilor Stewart, you had your hand raised. Yes, Mayor. I just wanted to say that it is great to hear from Mr Niles once again. Aziz, He pointed out multiple times. He, um, joins us often. So it's great to hear your voice again. Journals. Thank you. John Seale Binder. Hello. Uh huh. Um, I wanted to keep what I need to ask. Pretty simple. Onda Positive. A couple of years ago, I came before council about a food truck program for parking on the streets. There are four zones I'm utilizing one on during the pandemic. This is, for lack of a better word. Been a lifeline for not only little city brewing but also for the Virgil's food trucks and a couple of other food trucks in the area. Um, the ask is pretty simple to extend the business hours. Currently, they are from 10 a.m. 23 p. M. Obviously the majority of the week. Other than, um, a little bit of business after noon on Saturdays and Sundays are not business hours for the truck zone again, it's been a very successful thing, especially during the the restaurant bar shut down during the pandemic. And, um, again, our hours were limited. Thio, you know, 9, 10 o'clock at the moment on, the ask would be to extend the hours passed 3 to 10 o'clock. We've had great response from the building that that is their The West building on the zone that I'm talking about specifically is located at 400 West North Street on the corner of Western Harrington. Thank you, John. Um, city manager. Could we have staff? Look at this. Um, it seems to me that I mean, with the effort that we've made, um, with outdoor dining, opening up, suck box streets, whatnot that this would make sense. Thio extend hours. So if we could, um, of staff. And if you report back, um, probably before five. Um, the next meeting. Or I would be happy to take you into the city for further discussion. Whatever they work fast committee meeting when he was born Tuesday. Sure, Mayor. Weaken. Do whichever you think is most appropriate. We can prepare it for Tuesday's agenda and stay vibrant healthy, or we can bring it back. If you wanted to do it before the meeting on February the second, we could do it in a manager's report on Friday. If everybody is okay, let's let's take this into, um Committee save vibrant and Healthy Community committee, and we'll look at it. That staff could start preparing. Um, that would be great. Oh, mhm. Okay. Is everybody OK? But Patrick, it's probably in Africa. We're trying to get some response boats. Okay. Thank you. So Okay. Next we have. Yeah. Hello. By next. Doug Johnston, 1 20 Forest Road. I'm interested at the moment. And the edge study for Dick sparked of the edges of could two parks that you're looking at horror park assets for both New York Central Park and the other picture of Bath, England. Greenbelt. Uh, I'm not sure the slides were up, but you may remember them from last time. If you started with a blank slate, either of these could be the model for what you'd like to see around Dicks Park. Uh, there they are. Uh, and in the background, you can see the the edge and the edge area. Both of those features that park and the green belt. Uh, it took a large number of different kinds of developers. Many no doubt like downtown South and Park City South. So I'm not disparaging developers by a long shot of the Fuller Heights area and the Caroli area have lots of features and plenty of exciting room for making them the kind of assets kind of park assets that the city wants. Lake Wheeler Road isn't Fifth Avenue yet. You'll show me, let the next close up. But I'm convinced that the involvement of of the Appearance Commission and the Greenway and the city's transportation system and all the different people that come together can make that a za close to ah Central Park West or Fifth Avenue, as anybody would care toe have, and certainly the North Carolina equivalent of the power of those areas around Central Park and areas in Bath, England, around the green belt. Thank you very much. I'll have more, of course, to say on this later, but I appreciate the opportunity to give you a little introduction. Thank you, Doug. Next we have Lynn Walter. Good afternoon. My name is Lynn Walter, and my address is 32 28 Glen Ridge Drive. I have lived in and owned my home in the Brentwood neighborhood for over 13 years. I'm speaking today to ask City Council to move forward with and implement the final draft of the Brentwood Road traffic calming plan. My home is on the corner of Gun Ridge Drive and Brentwood Road, and my house is oriented so that it faces the intersection of these streets. I regularly see cars speeding well above the posted 25 mile an hour speed limit on Brentwood and have witnessed and have had happened to me cars that passed cars who are going to speed limit. I've also seen speeding cars that roar right up on other cars and tailgate and other dangerous traffic situations. And as counsel knows, this is a neighborhood. The speed limit for our neighborhood is 25 miles an hour, yet people treat Brentwood Road like a drag strip. As you've heard earlier today, there have also been several, uh, multiple serious accidents on Brentwood Road in December of 2020 I emailed photos to all council members about one of these accidents that happened on in October 2020. Both of the cars ended up in my yard. One also destroyed a city stop sign and speed limit sign, and the other car went well up into my yard, wedging itself between two oak trees. Both cars polluted large areas of the soil on my property when their gas, oil and other fluids all leaked out and the damage landscaping and trees. I then had to spend months getting the driver's insurance companies to pay for soil remediation and removing the contaminated soil, replacing the destroyed landscaping and treating the damage tree to prevent infestation or death. And these air giant trees in my neighborhood, these air huge 60 plus year old oak trees and more importantly, one of the drivers in that accident was so injured that they had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital. This accident is just one example out of many. And it is also not one of the accidents that Michael spoke about earlier. We need the Brentwood road traffic calming plan to be implemented immediately to keep our property, our homes, our Children, our neighbors and ourselves safe. Please move forward today with a final draft of the traffic calming plan from Brentwood Road and help keep our neighborhood and us safe. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next we have Catherine Bird. Hi, this is Katherine Bird 509 Smoked Ridgely. Um, on Wednesday, January 6. The white supremacist invasion of the capital is upsetting toe watches. It unfolded on the news. Perhaps more horrifying is the way a lot. Some conspiracy theories have become accepted by a more mainstream audience. I didn't see it anything on the city of Raleigh website or Twitter account condemning this violence and the racism that was clearly on display. Clearly, the city is aware of the issue with the post that buildings will be closed this Wednesday out of an abundance of caution but no mention of the reason why I feel that not even acknowledging or naming these issues or addressing them when they occur promotes a dangerous sense of normalcy and acceptability around things that we as a nation should not tolerate. While the focus on Wednesday was at the Capitol, these issues affect us locally as well. This is another example where the City of Rally claims that they want to dismantle racism but isn't changing much about the status quo in practice. Speaking of concrete things that we as a city could dio, I noticed that police Chief Duck Brown will be retiring this year. I couldn't find anything about the process for selecting her replacement, but I think that organizations such as Raleigh Packed should be involved in that process if we are really and truly committed to addressing issues of systemic racism within the police force and in our government. Furthermore, at the January 5th City Council meeting, this evidence and Dr Mark Terrian came to you with a specific request to for Foreman African American Affairs Board. It seemed like you were at least somewhat prepared for this topic because you mentioned a group of people speaking on it, and you're going to address them at the end. But the only hopeful thing about that interaction was that they were contacted for a follow up meeting, which I hope happened. And I hope they were taken seriously because what was told to them in that moment seemed quite dismissive. Here you have two women who are community leaders with a plan backed up by demographic data to form a board of the sort that the City of Raleigh already has president for, and instead you tell them to go to the Human Relations Commission. I looked them up, and it looks like their main job is to plan activities. They didn't go there. They came to you, the mayor and the council, because you're the ones that currently hold the power to actually make changes. And then to tell them that there will be an ongoing discussion. Siri's with Shaw University on racial issues. Thes air black women. They're familiar with racial issues. That's not what they're asking for. We don't need to wait nine months, wants to see the results of that 10 point plan when people from your community are coming to right now, with a clear plan for something that could be done in addition to whatever else you've got going on. Well, you may feel like you have good intentions, cause and examine the impact of your actions. Is it? Shoes are not new. These community organizations are not new and would be good to actually listen to them and make real changes instead of continuing on as we have been and just talking about change. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Marshall just is a follow up. I know that you had reached out to Kim. Um, have you had an opportunity to no foot traffic e. I have not gotten a response back from this material at this point, Mayor. Okay, I will reach back up. Thank you. Um, Charles Brock. Thank you. Charles Brock. I live on Glen Ridge Drive in Brentwood. I'm as well on advocate for the Brentwood road. Calming and firsthand witnessed the excessive traffic and speeds on this. What has seemed to become a cut through street as the people before me stated were taken today's opportunity to request that the calming efforts being done on Brent would be extended onto the blend ridge drive in Bardwell Street as well. Recently, the city has approved a 300 plus apartment complex to be constructed in the location of the abandoned hotel off capital. As part of this project, it was approved that the street soon to be al Oh Street be connected to Glen Ridge Drive with no egress. Ingress egress to Brentwood Road, therefore turning Glen Ridge. Drive into a cut through ST even Mawr for access to the apartment complex. A spoken with McAdams engineering firm and know firsthand that no traffic study was performed to address the huge uptick in through a traffic that our neighborhood will experience. Um, again, you'll be turning Glen Ridge and Bardwell into a cut through ST I know myself and neighbors would appreciate traffic management or calming effort to be extended into our neighborhood. Additionally, if possible, I'd like to request that contact be given to us to discuss with the developer of the apartment complex to discuss Theis issues with wildlife homes that they're destroying and why they are cutting down unnecessary tree clearing. That is all. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Next we have Maya Cavallo not on the call, Mayor. Okay. And then we have Michael. Um load to Boli. Hi. Thanks, Mayor. I am Michael Audibly. My address is 30 23 06 Stafford Avenue. I'm here to talk about short term rentals. I posed the limit for a number of days that an Unho Sted Airbnb unit can be rented and the limit to the number of units that can be rented short term in the building. The Planning Commission is added limits to TC 8 20 that we never discussed by council and is counter to the goal of allowing Airbnb is in Raleigh. Simply put, thes caps will put many Airbnb hosts out of business as host. We have small business owners. The pandemic has made hosting difficult as small business owners were providing a service. Ask yourself what small business owners can get by providing your service for only 120 days per year. Do the planning commission and council target other small businesses by limiting the number of days that they could be in business? Many of us are just trying to get by during this pandemic. What sense does it make to put more than half of the host in Raleigh out of business? The Planning Commission talked about how this limit would stop investors from coming in and buying blocks of property. That doesn't happen in Raleigh. We're a different market than Asheville. We host folks coming into town to check out rally as a place to live. We host visiting nurses looking for a nice place to stay. That's not a hotel. The actual number of short term rental units and rally is relatively low for city of its size here, a few examples based on data publicly available from air DNA. Riley, with a population of about 465,000, has approximately 678 short term rentals. About 35% of those are hosted stays. If you consider all 6 78 as Unho Sted units, that would make them a whopping 3% of the total housing stock. Ask, filled with a population of about 91,000, has approximately 2160 short term rentals. Charlotte, with a population of about 857,000, has a population, has a 25 100 short term rentals and no regulation. These limits are a solution in search of a problem as hosts. We provide restaurant recommendations and places to visit. We employ cleaners and maintenance personnel are clean. It would be unemployed during this pandemic if not for our short term rental business. Restaurants are hurting. Do we really want to make things worse at this time? These limits, added by the Planning Commission, are not in line with the commitment that council made to short term rental hosts these caps or a covert way to go against council and kill short term rentals and rally. I urge you to remove these limits and keep the promise you made to short term rentals to make short term rentals available in Raleigh if needed. Revisit this issue in a year to see if there has been a substantial spike in short term rental units and add additional regulations if needed. Thank you very much. Thank you, Michael. Remember one, uh, just for the record on the, uh, development, the Alliance Residential Development on Capitol Boulevard. We did receive several written comments on that that have been forwarded to you, and I also received several written comments on the short term Reynold that was that were forwarded to you just one of that part of the record. Okay. Thank you. Clark. Um, Councilor Cox, I could discuss this more in council concerns. Um, the folks that have written about the alliance residential are primarily concerned about the traffic on Glen Ridge and one of the proposals being floated around is the possibility of a traffic circle to help alleviate any issues there. And I was just wondering if Transportation Department could take a look at that option. Um, e just leave it there on follow up with transportation. Marshall have transportation part. Take a look at that and report back to us. Yes, ma'am. Staff produced a report for the next meeting. Think and Councilor Cups. Will you be, um, raising this issue? Council concerns. No, this is fucking I'll follow up with staff and go from there. All right. Thank you. All right. So the first item, um, we had we said after public comment, we would take up the issue of the Trenton Woods way. Um, item um, TJ um j two that was pulled by Councilor fort. Um, council Melton. I see you raising your hand. Yeah, maybe excuse for a brief moment. I have Thio step out. Intend to something. Yes. Um, Councilor Fork. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I asked for this matter to be pulled from the consent agenda. And as you've heard from Mr Adam Marco there several folks in the neighborhood who got some ongoing concerns. Um, I want to thank thank staff particular. Uh, Matthew and his folks have had a number of meetings with the residents in that area. I participated in several of those on Dave actually even been working over the holiday weekend to address, you know, concerns of the constituents in that area. Um certainly think the proposal that staff has put together as relates Thio adding some additional no parking signs we'll address some of the safety concerns that have been raised by the residents in that area. Um certainly recognize that we, you know, still have to have some ongoing conversations. One of the things I've asked have to do is talk to the state of North Carolina and their Parks Department as well as folks at N. C. State to see if there's some ways that we can identify some additional parking solutions that will eliminate the issues that the residents are currently experiencing eso it would be my motion to approve the plan that staff has presented to us today. But I didn't want to give the citizens and opportunity to be heard on the matter before we move forward on the staff's recommendation. A swell as making sure members of the council knew that we would still be addressing additional remedies for folks in the area going forward. Councilor Fort would, um, would that remedy also include looking at this, say, six months from now? Um, see, if this has helped improve the situation, I know that this was issue. When I was on the council, it came to my committee. Um, well, there was discussions we worked out some, um, compromises, but it was problematic. I mean, the streets are narrow. Um, it was difficulty. Fire apparatus would have been difficult fire apparatus to get down there. So it is a public safety issue. Um, not to mention people were coming in the neighborhoods. They would change their clothes outside their cars. Kids were riding by on bikes. E mean, it was a messy situation, so I can understand the formation. Um, So what you would like to do that is let's go with what staff has suggested and then look for additional solutions. Yes, ma'am. That's correct. Okay. Council branch. Yeah, I definitely to support Councilor for it and that I just have one question on Distaff can get this back. Tow us now. No one is able to be too right now, but I want to know why that gap was left Remain opening instead of recommending no parking along the entire stretch e there that people that are not get to us later. Is math there? Yeah, there's not. I'm sorry. I can't hear, man. There we go. Capital, Can you hear me? Okay. Perfect. Eso So in this example, um, you know, we we attempted to find a balanced solution. Kind of among, you know, all potential users. You know, of the of the public street. We did leave. Ah, small section, um, along the southern, uh, side of trend woods way for users of you know, the park or other folks come into the neighborhood. Um uh, toe park. Uh, the road is 22 ft of pavement and then 27 ft from curb to curb eso travel lanes, air 10 ft wide. Um, and then a parking lane is traditionally 8 ft wide. Eso in this example We have just 1 ft short of, you know, the ability for, you know, plenty of room for for two way travel, plus ah, parking lane. Uh, certainly understand the difficulties in the unique issues experienced by the residents in this situation. So, um, we we saw this as a as a temporary solution until we were able to work with the state. Um, and in the parks department toe find a more permanent solution to fix what's really causing folks to park in the neighborhood and trying to access the adjacent amenities. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry. Um, thank you, Matt. Um, so was that a second counselor for its motion? Yes, Councilor Branch. Okay, so we have emotion. Um, and a second by counselor Bridge. All in favor. Is anyone opposed? Okay, Clerk, that was unanimous. Um, I hope that thes staff can work with other entities, see if we can come up with a solution. This has really been an issue for way too long. So thanks for getting on this map. Very much appreciated. Okay. Next, we have the report of the planning commission. Um the first item. Um, these air all scheduled items for public hearing. Um, do you have staff? There's can. Good evening. All right. Good. Good afternoon. Sorry. Um, Ken Bowers, with planning and development sweating for the slides to come up. Thanks. Presentation. Um, there we go. Um, start with a quick review of what's currently scheduled for February 2nd evening. Public hearing. There are two street closings, um, annexation and to zoning cases to date On the report of Planning Commission today we have five items. There are three items that were recommending for the February 2nd public hearing. And if you'll permit me, I'd like to go through all three of them and then take a pause and take down the presentation so you can make motions on scheduling. Um, they are 28 20 on Glenwood Avenue z 45 20 on Buffalo Road in New Hope in TC 8 20 short term rentals. So the first item is a rezoning and the glib with south area about 2.4 acres going from D x seven. Uh, shop front to DX 40. Conditional use. Um, this includes the historic creamery property and conditions on this case will preserve the historic buildings while allowing much taller construction, Um, on the rear portion of the property adjacent to the railroad tracks. Um, this did go to ah review of the well Historic Development Commission, who recommended approval of the massing scheme as codified in the conditions on a 12 to 0 vote. Um, the funding commissioners recommended approval on a 9 to 0 vote, and staff recommends the February 2nd public hearing. The next item is the 45 20. This is located a Buffalo New Hope Road Currently zone in X three conditional use. The proposal was to rezone it Rx four parking Limited conditional use. Um after deliberation, the Planning Commission had recommended denial on a split vote of five against and two in favor. Um, staff recommends a public hearing for February 2nd, and then the last item is T C. A. 20. Short term rentals, uh, repeal the home state regulations and replaces it with new regulations regarding short term rentals would allow partial or whole house Reynolds. Although the Planning Commission has recommended a change that would limit the number of calendar days throughout the year, um, that a whole house rental could take place. Um, they recommended approval of this text change on a 6 to 3 vote and the public hearing data's, uh, recommended the February 2nd. As with the other items, if we could stop. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Um, council member four, the clean Marie. Um, rezoning is in your district. Um, is this something you'd like to move forward to for public hearing? Yes, ma'am. Madam, I would like to move that forward. Republican. Okay. Is that emotion it is? Do you have a second council member? Branches seconded. All in favor. Anyone who proposed clerk, That is animus for public hearing on February 2nd. Um, I'm gonna bring up a question. Can, Yes, that is unrelated. But I've been meaning to ask this. You know, in our code, we have 20 stories and then 40 stories. Every time somebody brings comes forward with 40 stories, people automatically assume that they're going to build 40 stories. Even if they might be considering ST 22 stories. Is there a better way in our code to define that? I mean, it can I don't know. You can do 20 stories. 30. 40. I mean, I don't know how we came about with the 20 and 40. But I just want to bring that up. Yes. And that that, uh, Mayor, I believe you have raised this question in the past, and staff has started working on, um, some thinking about a text change that would address it. A couple of options would be to allow you to pick any number or to at least set more categories than currently exists. Maybe introducing, say, a 30 story category into the zoning. And, um, if you'd like us to report back on that, we could have some options for you, probably in a few weeks time. Thank you very much. Okay. Onto the business at hand. Um, that the next that came before us was the rezoning Z 45 20 Buffalo and New Hope. Um, that also is scheduled. Could be scheduled for public hearing. February 2nd Counselor Cox. Yes, I would say, let's schedule it for February 2nd. I know there's a tremendous amount of opposition to the rezoning, and the Planning Commission voted 5 to 2 for denial. So, uh, let's at least start the process with a hearing on the second. That's emotion. Do we have a second councilor member Stewart has seconded all in favor anyone opposed. Okay, that will be held a second. And then the other item is the text change TC 8 20 for short term rental. Um, Councilor Melton. Thank you. I have ah motion with regard to that public hearing. The topic of short term rentals has been discussed over the course of multiple years by many councils as the city has tried to balance policy goals and needs and desires of our residents. In 2019, the last Council took a first step to regulate short term rentals by incorporating home state regulations which only allow a partial rental of a dwelling unit. At our first meeting as the 2019 City Council, we suspended those rules and asked for more analysis of the regulations, which, with an eye towards achieving different policy goals, I appreciate the work involved. Illness of the Planning Commission regardless checks text change. The Planning Commission recommends for additions to the ordinance that came out of our committee one a limit on the number of bodies consecutively per year that an unused sorry on hosted short term rental could be occupied to a requirement to post the zoning permit number on each short term rental, UM, property and advertisement and three. A definition of hosted and on hosted short term rentals and apartment fee structure for hosted and on hosted short term Reynolds. I would like to authorize the public hearing for text Change TC 8 20 where February 2nd and ask staff to modify the ordinance to remove all references to hosted an on hosted short term rental. Specifically, the definitions and sections E one should be removed and the regulations contained in sections be too. I should be modified to remove any reference to hosted and on hosted short term Reynolds Section four should be modified. Onley reference a commercial zoning permit city as listed in the Development Services Guide. The revised ordinance would be presented at public hearing on February 2nd. That's my motion. Do we have a second? Um, Councilor Ford has seconded that, um all in favor, please raise your hands. Anyone opposed? That would be counselor Cox opposed clerk. We will meet on that on February 2nd. Okay, um can the next two items I know they're the planning commission is asking for right. So while we're getting the um, the, uh, slides back up. I would like to say that the last planning commission meeting had, uh, agenda. They were not able to get through all of it so that these are these two items. One has been discussed. And the the second one, which is the 46 on cream or road, was not discussed. It all. Um, so Z 43 20 is ah. Another request for rezoning on trail would drive. Not sure what happened to the slides there. Um, it's ah. Oh, well, we'll just proceed without them. Um, this is a case, uh, to go from a planned development district to a residential 10 with conditions attached. Um, planning commission did deliberate on this, um, desire to have some additional conditions come back from the applicant. They've recommend or requested a 45 day extension which will allow the, um, discussion to continue to march 11th. The second item is, uh, the 46 20 on cream or road. Whoa. Um, e don't know what's happening with the presentation materials today. They keep coming and going, um, this'll item was not discussed. And there's a request for a 30 day extension, which which also, um, extend their deadline for action to March 11. So that concludes my description of those two items because, Okay, the first item, um, on trail would drive. Counselor Fort. Yes, Madam Mayor Can't thank you for the presentation. And I know the planning commission. We're doing some additional deliberations on this matter. Um, you know, I have expressed my concerns to the developer about this particular project. Um, they're asking for 101 units right next door to someone's, um, you know, single family home in that particular area. I can. I think you alluded to the fact that there had been some conversation with planning Commission, but I don't think they completed it. I don't know if you've got something that you want to add to that, but certainly I hope that there will be some additional considerations in terms of how much density they're asking for this particular take a project. Um, are you OK with the extension to march 11th? Yes, ma'am, I am. Okay. Um is that emotion? Yes. OK. Do we have a second? Um, Councilor student has seconded all in favor. Okay. Clerk, That was unanimous. Um, based on Councilor fortnight visiting with the neighbors related to this topic. There's a lot of work that needs to be done on this. Um, and it I share your concern, counselor, with the magnitude of the project next to, um, single family homes. Um, the way its position. So this is an opportunity for the group to really? We look at what they're proposing and maybe spring forward some conditions that will help alleviate that. Okay, The next item is, um, freedom or road. And this is district a Chancellor, pumpkin. Thank you, Mayor. I move approval of the requested extension. Okay. Um, do you have a second counselor? Stewart seconded. All in favor. Anyone opposed Clerk? That is unanimous. That will also be moved to march 11th. Okay, All right. Now we move on thio special items, and we have a number of rezone ings here. These air meetings that we have to set if I'm c Yes. Said the hearings. So the first is rezoning Z 21 at Morgan and Boylan. May I be the first? You'll go ahead. Cancer. Oh, just, uh, brief staff over you. This was held to get additional conditions regarding, um, the design and screening of the parking deck that has been received and it's ready for action today. Okay, Councilor, for uh huh. Um, I guess I wanted to hear where Mayor Protein was going to say about this particular issue before I make my motion. You didn't have it or you. Good. Okay. Uh, then I would move that we set the matter for public hearing mayor on February 2nd. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Ah, is those questions or second, that that's what I was going. It was a logistical matter. So that's why I was raising my hand. This one we are actually ready to vote on. We've already had the public hearing. We got new conditions, and now it's time to vote. The other two ugly were for scheduling. So the thing is, this one we're ready to vote on. Yeah, I was gonna trump into. I was just making sure you're on C 21. 20 is Is it needs a it needs about. Okay, We have closed the hearing on this and everything e submitted this. Okay, Alright, Have a different motion. I moved to adopt the proposed consistent statement dated January 5th 2020 containing the gender materials and to approve the zoning amendment with the adopted and effective days described an agenda item under recommend action. Council member Stewart has second in it. Thank you. Um, all in favor. Anyone opposed? Okay. Clerk that passes unanimously. The next is to hearings. We will, um, set One is four rezoning z 35 20. Weight avenue. Councilor Fourth is also in your district. Yes, Madam Mayor had had us hold it last week because I had some additional questions that I wanted to ask of the developer. But I've had the opportunity to have those conversations and have my questions answered. So I am ready to make a motion for us to have it scheduled for public hearing for February 2nd. Yes, ma'am. Do I have a second on that council member branch? Thank you. All in favor. Anyone opposed? Hey, Clerk, that was unanimous. Will hold a public hearing. February 2nd, Madam Mayor and, um, cannot. If staff can, they can reach out to the Planning Commission. I have a question related to this one z 45 20 and z 35. 20. Both of them had the same issues around buffering and traffic, but one was approved and one was denied. So if I could just are meeting in in February, information could be provided on what the difference is on that it would be helpful for me. Okay. Thank you. Council member branch. Um, Can So for the I don't know if you know the answer to that now or if that's something for the next meeting. Um, you wanna ponder that and get back to us for the next meeting? 10. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, um, you're asking if this is something that could be ready for the next meeting? Yes, it is. Okay. Or I didn't I didn't know if you had an answer today or not. Um, I would just say the one difference potentially is a Z 45 is in a corner that was subject to a very localized small area plan. One of the concerns expressed at the meeting Waas conformance e with the request with that area plan. Um, it did differ in both frontage and height. The I think the other potential question is that the Z 35 is, uh, for significantly smaller number of units than the C 45 rezoning case. would permit. Does that answer your question, Counselor Branch? Or would you like some more details I get with staff? Right, Tom? All right. Thank you. Alright. Next we have Z 40. Uh, yes. Before we leave this topic, I just wanted to know that it seems the screening issue about parking decks is coming up over and over again. And I wonder if maybe we don't need to look, uh, making this a standard requirement of the code. I think if that's the right procedure, I'm just kinda interested if we can resolve this issue before it comes to a zoning conditions anymore. Um, uniform way. Is that something we can do? Um or at least take a look at it. Why don't we do this? Why don't we ask staff to take a look at that? Tell us what some of the pros and cons might be and, um, have them come back to us. Um, maybe in a manager's report, letting us know and then having a recommendation from them way would be happy to do that. In fact, our urban design center is already looking at it today, and they produce a new interim document. Um for internal review, which we should be able to finalize for your review soon. And we're looking both at changing the standards of the ugo as well as potential models owning conditions that should be used by applicants wishing to exceed the U D O minimums. Okay, Council member night. You had your hand raised, I think. Ken, I was gonna say the same thing I think Ken brought up is I've already asked patent his group to look at this issue, and I think they're proceeding. So that's good to hear with status and look forward to hearing back from you all. Okay. Next we have. See, um 40 2019. 12 Hillsborough Street. Um, this is also, um, hearing authorization for February 2nd. Counselor Fort, This is your district. Yes, ma'am. Madam Mayor, I make the motion that we scheduled for public hearing on February the second. The, uh, some folks in the area had some request of the developer to add some additional conditions, and those have been submitted. Okay, Do we have a second council member? Stewart has seconded all in favor anyone in opposition. K clerk. That was unanimous. Thank you. Um, next we have the um Parks, recreation and cultural resource is bond referendum discussion. Mayor members of the council. This is TNC Hayward, one of the assistant city managers, and its meeting on January 5th. The mayor and council asked Staff are recommended strategy and timeline for the Parks, Recreation and Greenway Advisory Board. The supple minutes work from its 2020 engagement process regarding potential park bond investments, arts, recreation and cultural resource is staff has worked with the budget and the Finance Department to align proposed work of the P R. G A. B through January and February To align that to your potential City Council retreat in March and the subsequent bond action steps that will be outlined briefly in this presentation. Stephen Bentley, assistant director in the Parks, Recreation and Cultural Resource, is department will walk you through a brief summary of work to date by the P R. G. A. B and proposed next steps. All right. Good afternoon. Thank you. Assistant City Manager Hayward. Uh, good afternoon, Mayor and Council. My name is Steven Bentley on one of the assistant directors in the rally Parks. Recreation Cultural resource is department. Today we're gonna cover three topics a little bit of a refresher on the 2020 work done by the Parks, Recreation and Greenway Advisory Board. Also, how Council may consider re engaging the board in the next two months. We also have a high level overview of a schedule that the council could, um, work through on how to get the parks bond to move forward. Yeah, as a small refresher, the council, actually about a year ago to date directed the parks board toe Look at these four items, which was the Park board was to develop a list of possible bomb projects. Staff is to support the Park Board and developing that list, and the list of projects should focus on equity as well as other factors. And then, finally, the park sport was the collect public input throughout this process. So the park staff presented approximately $500 million worth of projects to the Parks board. Those projects were from adopted master plans, ongoing community input, council initiatives and other factors. The park staff then went through a prioritization projects using these criteria. A few examples are listed here from key focus areas. Thio of your strategic plan, Ah, Park Equity score a park access score. Uh, deferred maintenance, transit connective ity. Operating impacts is well beyond the scoring of these projects. The staff also did, um, uh, a number of work with the park board on, um, having park meetings, park board meetings, of which there were five. There was also three public open houses. We collected input on public input dot com hosted website. We took input via email, text message and over the phone. And collectively, over a two month period, we we collected about 400 comments that culminated into a tiered three tears from the Park Court to council last March or last April. The three tiers did not include Dicks Park. However, the three tiers totaled 101 million, 150 million in 200 million. Ah, list of the Park board recommendations. Their projects are included in your backup today. So one way to reengage the park board in the next two months is that staff is prepared to work with them on their meeting this week in January and again in February. Toe look at three different areas. I thought we will identify information and planning documents and other organizational changes that have occurred over the last year. We'll identify lessons learned changes in the communities, priorities, other key considerations, Um, in part due to co vid 19 and the communities focus on social equity and social justice. The third is that will look at key financial considerations posed by CO vid 19 and ongoing fiscal drivers. That should be considered. Here is an overall schedule. We have AH Park Board meeting this week in January. We also have a park board meeting in February. Staff will work with the park board over the next two months on the topics that were just shared in early March. Um, because I understand that the council is going to have a retreat of which the Park board will be an agenda item this whole possibly include a presentation on Dorothy addicts part uh, in April. City Council can provide additional directions to staff on a prioritization list for project options that we could bring back to you. We also would have time and made to do the same thing and then finally, your first vote as a council would occur as preliminary findings resolution in June that that equals basically the intent in the amount of the bond. And in July, uh, the council, uh, city Council would vote on introducing bond orders. In August, the council would host of public hearing, and then in October 5th would be the referendum. And then finally, in November, the council would vote on to declare the referendum results. So our recommendation to you today is to identify information that would lead to an end end, um, report with key themes and recommendations, um, to the 2020 park uh, Parks Recreation Greenway Advisory Board. Bond recommendations included in these three items that I listed earlier, which include identify additional information planning documents and organizational changes that have occurred from last year's recommendation, identify lessons, learnt changes in priorities or other key considerations that have occurred in part due to co vid 19 and community priorities around social equity and social justice. And then finally, um, key financial considerations posed by, um, Cove in 19 and ongoing fiscal drivers that should be considered by the City Council. And with that, I'll take feedback. Hey, if we could take the presentation down so I can see everybody. Okay, um, I do have one question, but does anybody else have questions? Counselor Cox? Yes. Uh, mine is more of a concern. When I reviewed this last year, I saw very few projects for District B. And most of the money was going towards a proposed whitewater rafting park on the news river. And there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty of that would ever be even be permitted to be constructed. There are many other part needs and district B and eso. Unless the unless the list of proposed projects has changed for district B, I would not be in support of a park park Spawn going forward. Thank you. I have a question related Thio Dicks Park, actually. Do we have a dollar amount yet on what construction would cost for the Children's destination play area in the plaza. So the volume isn't very loud in here, but I'm gonna re ask the question. I believe Mayor um are you Did you ask a dollar amount for the Gateway Plaza? Play for Dicks Park? Yes. Yeah. Yep. Currently, the dollar estimate is between 50 and 55 million. When might we get, um um a final number again? I'm gonna re ask your question because the volume is not gonna hear you ask. When will we have? Ah, more specific number? Yes. Um, why are construction management at risk? Uh, contractor actually starts this week. Um, we actually have a night meeting tonight. Virtual night, meeting on the schematic design. Within the next 4 to 6 weeks, we would have that dollar amount. Um, specific. So I would say by the end of march. Okay, great. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Okay, um, Councilor Knight and then Counselor, buff skin. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm just looking at the recommendations and the sort of scheduling of it. I know. Uh, I have an interest in, um, making sure that where it's appropriate that greenways, um new and also maintaining updating modification of greenways is, um ah, priority in general on dso just to let you all know that and to ask, that's part of when you go back to the board to re look at that issue. In particular, I don't wanna go into specific, deep, specific greenways or parks, etcetera. At the moment. I know you don't want that, but that that categorization I would like to be lifted up. Elevated maybe more than from what I could tell it was the first time going around on this. Okay, so privatization on greenway connections, connectivity, access to parks through greenways, on other other ways of pedestrian access to our parks through our greenways, etcetera. Yes. Okay. Council bumpkin. Uh, thank you, Mayor. And Mr Bentley, Thanks for being with us today. Appreciate your work and, uh, certainly extend my appreciation of the park sport for all the hard work they're putting in on this top. Um, I have a question that frequently people asked me, and I'm not sure what the answer is. Of course, this is number changes, but the question is, how much money is left over from the 2014 parts pond we can provide? Um, that information to the council and the managers update. Um, I don't have that number off the top of my head, but we've completed quite a few projects, even during the pandemic Covad Year s so we can provide that in the future. Managers update. Yeah, that'd be great. And one of those projects is the new comfort station in Shelley Lake. And I visited It looks very nice. It is well done. It's a nice and empty for the park. Um, so there's lots more good stuff to look forward to. So a related question. And Stephen, um, our last bond, I think, if I remember correctly, was on a proposed seven year rollout. I noted in the documents for our agenda item today that the board has proposed, I think a five year rollout for what would be a larger amount of money. Um, so can you maybe expand on that and share with the council? A little bit of thinking of the department on how fast we can move this 2021 bond money. Uh, in the projects? Yes. Uh, so the 2014 bond was a 5 to 6 year rollout. Um, we, um if the park board's recommendation was much more aggressive now that does have impacts. Um, on staff. Um, if the there are many projects or more projects that would require ah, higher operating impact, which is something council has to consider. Um, in the long term. Um, So, depending on the projects chosen by council, we would develop the rollout plan, Um, based on what councils recommendations are. But we have done them in the past, usually 5 to 6 years. Um, we do them quicker and we have more projects. It would require more staff, which has a higher operating impact in the city. Great. Thank you for that. Um, so I think, um, that's all my questions. I would like Thio just, uh oh. Make a comment. And this was a part of our original discussion and first referred this to the possible. Um and that is I want thio suggest that everybody be comfortable with possibility that councils going to disagree with Mark Sport It is a recommendation from an advisory board way will carry a great deal of weight. But council McCain's wow, a prerogative to set the list and make decisions about how much in total eso I want to avoid a situation when feelings get murdered. Doesn't feel like they've been listened to by just acknowledging that we have a different lens to look through. And we're now aiming at what? What were the voters proof? So that's my comment and again appreciate you all working on this, folks. Okay. Um, council branch. Had you had your hand raised earlier? Yeah, I was, but I read through some material and and answer my own question. So I'm good for now? Um, the I guess, if one thing, I just want to make sure that citizens are aware of the meetings, um, that take place so that they can, um, provide feedback when appropriate. Yeah, we could certainly make sure that, um, all of our park board meetings that are online virtual l