Orange County Schools emergency meeting
Orange County Schools Superintendent Dr. Monique Felder said she will recommend to the Board of Education that students operate in Plan C, or all-remote learning, for the first four weeks of school at least.
Uh, gosh, it's It's been a crazy many months, and I don't need any change. That's gonna be happening any time soon. Dr. Felder, can I stop you for one minute for the correct slag? Is there? Is this the correct site? There were ons is the correct slide. OK, I'm sorry. I'm my apologies, everyone. Excuse me, Dr Fielder. You're well, Actually, Mr Jones, if you could advance to the next slide, I'm sorry. I am working from two laptops, and so one laptop is, um you know, one has sounded one does not. And some looking between two on and so remote learning one point. The difference between remote learning one point. Oh, and remote learn to point. All will be seen in three areas. One, What's the curriculum site spoke about? That the second was with regards to instruction. The next area that you will see a difference would be an environment. So, Mr Jones, if you can advance to the next life, please. And thank you, Mrs Mackenzie, for pointing out that leave were just a little off there with We got your the next, um revision for upgrade in remote learning. I will be in the environment. And so again, in the spring there was very little face to face instruction. There was some, but it was not frequent. It was infrequent on. And there were more various Teoh technology access, Uh, in remote learning 2.0, there will be face to face instruction. There will be a schedule and the next couple of slides or slides that you don't turn. Guess yet Mr Jones slides that you've seen previously. But I want to again just reiterate that the schedule will look very different. It will be closer to the typical schedule that we have when we have in person in structure, there will be clear communication and interaction expectations daily weekly teacher to student and peer to peer connections. Um, focus on SCL. It will be art, music peak, just CTE stem and even virtual field trips. So, yes, we your field trips remotely so, uh, with regards to remote learning 1.0, what families experienced in the spring and what families will experience next month will be very different. We have upgraded remote learning. The next slide, as I mentioned, speaks to this kettles. And so this is just this is just a sample has not approved just to give the board and our listening audience and doing audience and opportunity to again see that thing four two point. I will look very different than the schedule we had for one point, which is which was largely office hours. So you can see this is an elementary sample. Um, and so when this sample there would be a class meeting from 8 to 8 15 synchronous and asynchronous instruction focused on literacy from 8 15 and 9 15 students would have a break. Um, there would be a math instruction from 9 45 to 10 45 to include smoking construction. There was a long lunch break because we need to give students opportunity to get lunch if that means needing to go to one of the feeding sites. Or we're looking at using our buses to drive the routes and so students can pick up lunch in that way. But this would be also time for art music. P E. On brother electives would also be a time for independent study, where students who have an interest in a particular interest can can use that time to do some independent research. It's also a time for one on one and small group instruction and for teacher planning on then, later in the afternoon, there would be opportunity for more one on one and smoke construction and office out. And so again, this schedule looks very different than the schedule that we had in the spring. Next life, please, Mr Jones. So the next slide, it is just a sample of a secondary schedule. So again, this, um, is an example of how remote learning in the spring, um, will be upgraded and look different come the fall. And then, lastly, I just want to remind families who are interested in the Orange County Virtual Academy wanting more information that we have set up a number of information sessions and that information was shared yesterday. But there's one tonight from 5 to 6. Tm um there is, and that's followed by another session from 6 to 7. And those sessions repeat tomorrow, same time frame 5 to 6 and 6 to 7 p.m. So with that, that concludes my recommendation and the rationale for my recommendation again recommending that while we continue to work towards Plan B and we will be ready for Plan B, that, given the state of covert 19 in this county at this time that we pivot to, um, plan C remote learning. Uh, and three assists the status of covert 19 in the district in a few weeks in order to determine at that time if where we are in a position to shift to Plan B. Thank you so much, Dr Felder. I will just quickly say that I enthusiastically support Dr Felder's recommendation, But before I say more, I'm going to open the floor up to my colleagues to have a discussion about this. Mr. African. Thank you. Um, thank you, Dr. Felder. I know this Bath has been working on. This has been a lot of focus to try to understand. Um, you know what makes sense for Orange County? Especially for our staff, students and families. You know, essentially the governor, uh, when he made his announcement, made the teachers essential workers. I mean, that's that's really what he announced. Um, and, you know, from talking to many of our teachers and and, um, you know, seeing the surveys, you know, our teachers were scared. Um, they they're unclear on things they can and can't do in the classroom. Um, we don't have our policies to address all the questions. Um, and I think we need to understand how we can address some of their concerns. Um, especially given the situation we're in. Um, I do think we've got to also look at treating high school, middle school and elementary. Different as we determine criteria for coming back. The challenges are different. Some are easier, some or harder, depending on which group. Um, and I also feel we really need some metrics. Um, you know, what are the requirements to come back to school, eyes it. We're going to talk to the health director, and they're going to tell us it's okay. I think we've got to say, you know, list out as part of this, uh, motion or discussion. You know, here's the things that need to be true for us to go back, uh, for to be safe, right? Does that mean the number of new cases or the cases have fallen or no new cases? You know, are we saying that the only way to be safe is there has to be a vaccine? I don't think that's what we're saying. But, um, we've got to set some expectations, right? You know, I'm hearing for families and rightly so that you know what? What is it that says this is why we believe Weaken, get back in the back in the school. So I think we need to have a discussion today. About what? What? Those are What? What are the requirements? Um, my last comment. Ah. You know, I have a whole list from talking lots of people, and I appreciate it. You know, looking at 570 rising online for this meeting just tells you how important this is to everybody. Um, but my last comment I know relinquished to other board members is, you know, the virtual academy. Um, you know, we all agreed based on the presentation, that families could choose to go back in person at some minimum defined point. But I see on our website now, it states that you can't do that. Um, I don't understand why that changed. Um, I still believe we should allow that, you know, maybe after we're out of the Post Cove it and we have a virtual program that's sustained. I think that makes sense for just saying, Hey, if you're in that, the expectation is you're in it. You can't get out. But I know that multiple board members were, you know, in support of allowing that at some transition, you know, half a year by semester, whatever it waas But I was very surprised, pointed out to me by multiple. So thank you so much, Mr Abberton. I just want to dress the not being able to opt out that has in era families can opt out. In fact, Dr Dawson, if you are on, you know that she's leading this effort in the district. Um, then there are windows to do that. And so So when family signed on, actually, I'll let Dr Dawson speak to this. She's leading this after Dr Ellison? Yes. Good morning. Or chair Vice chair, you bore. Thank you, Dr Soldier. Yes, way have not swayed from allowing families toe often fanned out the initial information we had shared Was that what you were looking at? Avoid disruptions in student learning and to about them to be able to, especially in the middle. And high schools have finished a course because of the block schedule before transitioning. We were looking at the semester break, which seemed like a natural break, and upon further feedback and review, we do stay with that for middle and high school. But we felt that for elementary that there could be more flexibility because they're not on not having to complete the course within a certain window of time. And so we are looking at allowing families to opt in, are out during each and I'm marking term. So families that are starting on virtual academy this fall could, after our first marking term assess that you know what? This wasn't the best thing for us is thought on. So we would like our child to return back to the other option, which at that time may still be Plan C. But hopefully it'll be Plan B and then ultimately that tiny all back in school and just the same, if a parent is starting in remote right now and after they've experienced this and they're saying, Well, you know what, my child, actually, under the old version off online learning my child is thriving and this is working well for that and they want off in to maintain back they can, often to the virtual academy for Elementary at Market determined. What we asked is that families us at least a two week notice so that we can review the impact of that not only on their child but also a teacher and the staffing allocations. And that is one of the reasons why we're asking families to do so in these time periods because it doesn't impact our staff getting. And, you know, we're in this world of so many disruptions that have no control over. So if there are any destructions that we can control, we are trying to do so to minimize those destructions for our Children and our staff. So just in summary middle school high school families you can up on and from its investor, break that Mr Two Week notice elementary families, you will have the option to opt in or opt out at each marking term in the ask also in threatens to truly notice. Yeah, that's fantastic. I'm so excited to hear that I know many of the families online arches the way it reads right now, it's only should sign up for the birth of option, will not be able to change to in person program. And if we can get that updated and you know, the semester alignment, that sounds great. I know that makes sense, and we want to minimize disruptions. But thank you so much for the clarity. And hopefully that's had a lot of minds at ease. Thank you so much. Thank you. Dr Dawson and Dr Felder. Mr. Everton, Are there other comments from the board? Miss Hotter and then Miss Smiley first. I just want to thank Dr Felder and a team on her team. All the incredible work to get to be and for staying on top of it and being flexible. And I know that it a huge disappointment were you toe have to switch us to see. Could you want us back in school? I'm certain of that. I also want to thank our parents because they have sent so much information to us and so many good questions to enrich our thinking and our planning. And I'm thrilled. Thank you, Dr Felder. Also for arranging for these town halls that happened so quickly. There's a really, really good chance to continue that conversation. And if I might steal one comment from our parents. Tough that we're on uncharted waters and the currents are changing every minute. And my dad that it opens up new opportunities for learning for small group instruction and other things that are going to really be different about the way we deliver education of future. But it's really hard, and everyone's voice is important, and, um, and we just need to keep moving forward together. So I just wanna thank you for that. I do plan to support your recommendation, and I'm hoping that with this additional time that you'll be looking forward to your sharing more work. It's about how we can move more certainty, sit certain certainty, certainly, to open schools in for four weeks later, toe open the buildings and get people in. So, hunter, if you much just clarify that people have told me, we're not sure if we're just delaying this and it's going to keep the laying, or are we really planning toe open for four more weeks? I think people need to hear that. Sure. Thank you so much, Ms Howser. So we're absolutely planning towards have been That's been on Lee Clan and, uh, Plan B that is the beauty of planning for Plan B is that by default we are planned. Before we were planning for a plan C. Because plan B includes remote. It's that hybrid model is the in person and remote. So by the full we meaningful plan C. But we are still planting pollutes Plan B and we will be ready for plan B times off Sigh image. And so this is expected between August 10th in August 17th at every building every school is set up for plan B. The wounds will be set up. The sign Ege will be up. Uh, the all of those pieces will be in place. We would have practice the attestation which students are screened we have plans for and working out plans with foot transportation. Hence this last survey we sent the families we needed to know cause we're finalizing our plans. Do you need transportation? Do you need it in the morning and the afternoon? Is your child gonna be a writer? We are working out plans around meals. Those will be different in terms of prepackaged, but still it has to get packaged. And so we needed to know about families interest in that. And so the goal is still to be ready for plan B come August 17. And we are well on our way towards doing that. Yeah. So I would just offer, um, echoing Dr Felder that we all really? I know everyone listening. Everyone here. We all want our kids back in school as soon as possible, and that, unfortunately, Orange County schools is not in control of this situation Cove in 19 ist. So, musica throw that out. There is We continue this conversation, and I'm gonna pass it to Miss Smiley and then animus More. How to comment as well. Thanks. On that note, please. Where your masks and social distance? Um, yeah. I mean, I So I absolutely support the decision to start in plan C. Um, just taking the layers a bit like the United States does not have this in control. Right? Americans were not allowed into Europe because we do not have this under control. North Carolina is seeing increasing cases. Um, North Carolinians going toe, other parts of the United States in many other states need to self quarantine because North Carolina as rising cases and then in Orange County We're also seeing the rising cases, um, and hospitalizations. And, um, you know, I was looking at some data, a lot of the, um, thoughts about going back to school or pointing to other countries who have done that safely. Um, and I was comparing our rate of new cases and their rate of new cases. Um, thanks to a very good article I was reading that Did the analysis by nan Culture and Orange County relative to size has 10 times as many new cases every day, at least 10 times as when Germany opened. We have around if my mouth is right 100 times as many new cases every day a South Korea did when they opened. So a lot of this schools can reopen safely. They had much lower prevalence of cove it in their area, um, likely to show up in their schools. So, to me, it is absolutely a health and safety issue first. And what we need to see is a much lower prevalence of Cupid in orange. Kimmy, um, and I agree with Mr Atherton that I think it would be very helpful to understand. What are those metrics like? How will we know. My hope is that we do not need to wait for a vaccine to open our buildings. I don't believe that we do. I hope that we get more studies that support that. Um and I just think, uh, better to go with plan C to start and, um, and take, like, 50 new steps to mitigate all of the challenges and hardships that air created for gambling's. Because there there are many, many, many downsides. Either Plan B or Plan C for families. Even in Plan B, childcare is an issue and being disconnected from school and mental health of all those things are issues and plan B to. So we need to do things implant. See that? I think, Well, if we can move into Plan B that will also serve families in that setting. I just think it's really, really important for us to you, um, remember that. And you know what? What I think is horrible about this situation is that the kids and the families who are gonna experience the world, you know, their sort of most at risk of all of the negative impacts of this are the ones who are most marginalized and disturbing in the first place. You know their families experiencing unemployment, their kids with mental health challenges there, you know, it's a black and Latin next. Families are more likely to get co bid more likely to have challenges with remote learning. Um, it's, um it's like a terrible, terrible dilemma that were in andan really proud of how the district, um, has handled this so far. I really believe in our ability to start in Plan C and make this really good on and two things about all of those challenges, and my only I have ah, I have I have two questions at this point and then Morgan's that anything he could talk about on Monday but the two questions for right now what is about related to what Mr Hauser said, The timing of all of this, you know, I think there's like a timeframe at which, like, let's revisit, heard our data is in terms of widespread. There's also like families and staff needing time to treat, make that transition and what I am wondering is, is it that we look at the data in five weeks, weeks or six weeks or four weeks? You know somewhere in there and say and at the end of the nine weeks, you know, this is, you know, the 1st 9 weeks we're going to do Plan C we're gonna way through, see if we can change course to plan B or not to give everybody some transition time. So that's one thing I'm wondering is about. I don't think we will look in four weeks and say, OK, so on Monday, everyone, we're going to go to this other model. So So, actually, should we just be looking at that 1st 9 week period? The other is about exceptional Children who are in self contained setting, Um, separate and not remembering the term self contained classrooms and and whether we're thinking about making any modifications to this For any groups of students, they were the ones that sort of birth came to mind. I'm all soaking about. I'm well, I'll just out there. So first time weeks question and the question about Children and separate sightings for exceptional Children. Dr. Felder, do you want to take a stab at those questions right now? Or shouldn't I guess, What do you do when I guess there's sure? Well, I'm absolutely toe. Um, Mrs Crimmins, who is our director for acceptance. Exceptional Children to speak to. Um Well, there we are with planning for our exceptional Children, particularly those who are in separate settings. And so it certainly raises. I'll just say there are clearly there will be challenges there. Um, but what I can say with regards to, um, the pit that that needing to determining whether or not we we would give it to from Plan C to plan B at some given point, I absolutely agree that there has to be ample time to do that. And so, um, whether it's four weeks, five weeks, um, the whole semester, we need to stop and check in. And I think whatever that check in is, we need to do that in consultation with the health experts at, um learning what those metrics are those I can't tell us what the metrics are. Eso I think we worked with the health department to identify what those metrics will be, but yes, whatever the next decision will be, we should give families ample notice so that they can make the adjustments that they will need to make absolutely agree with that Dr Felder didn't Miss Crimen Is Miss Crimmins on a huge I am. Can you hear me? Yes. Videos having some issues. So I apologise for that. Um so I just want to start by saying on and I know that there are a lot of families Are that, um, in talking with Dr Felder that this decision to go fully remorse remote for all students has really tugged at my heart because I know the difficulties there are with educating students with complex disabilities. And I have I have had sleepless nights just thinking about bringing, bringing students in. But then the potential health and safety and, um, to have a student or a or a teacher come down with cove it I to me right now that might be more pressing and knowing that their spikes in the cases in Orange County right now, um, it's just, um it was a hard decision in terms of what we're doing for our students. I have pulled together a small thought thought partner group of our teachers with separate sightings, and we are planning out schedules. We are looking at how to best Juve melt learning four students We've had an incredible success for teachers being able to create lessons during their during extended school year. Um, and we're going to be putting together schedules. I've talked with Melanie Stow and we wanna have in processions for our parents so that they know what um, the far will look like while we're in the remote learning possibilities. Additionally, I want to say that I e p goals will be addressed in the spring. We were on more of a maintenance mode, and in the fall we will need to move forward our direct instruction programs. We have contacted companies and pulled those together, mostly online. The company that we're going to be partnering with for the curriculum has some excellent tools that will additionally help support students with disabilities in a diagnostic and prescriptive manner. Meaning that, um, when we can further learn where the gaps and learning are that this program, along with teachers support and I want to make that very clear that teachers support is going to be huge with this. So it's not going to be that students are just left toe work online are teachers will be pulling small groups, directing lessons and through those mechanisms to be able to move forward on my Does that Answer your question, Miss Smiley? It does. Thank you so much for the work. You're doing this from him. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Miss Crimmins. I know that we all will continue to collaborating creatively. Problem solved as best we can to meet the needs of our students while we have to be remote is I certainly echo your sentiments that one teacher, one student contracting Covic, one teacher, one student dying is just an unacceptable number for us. And these are incredibly challenging decisions. We have the heart of everyone in mind, but we just simply can't ask our teachers and our students stories their lives to be here right now. E appreciate your thoughtfulness. Thank you very much. I appreciate and I appreciate the support of the board. Thank you. Miss More. You had a comment? Yes. Thank you, Dr Filter. And your team for your home. Your hard work so far. I'm thank you for considering the Hilton safety over our students and staff. First, I am in favor of Plan C and moving forward towards Plan B. Once it's safe. Based on data from the local health department. Um, I want to thank our guidance counselors in advance, and I hope that they will continue to offer services and be available to our students in case there the increase of behavioral issues or students. Students needing help with coping steals to adjust to these new changes in place. Thank you. They came is more. Does anyone else have comments? I know that Miss Doyle had a comment, and she is having some conviction issues right now, So maybe we'll be able to come back to her. She's able Teoh. So I'm going to have to miss Stevens and then Ms Howser, and hopefully we'll get back with Miss Doyle. Okay, Well, thank you. Um well, I'll say that we have a plethora of e mails lobbying for different options. And, um, we all want our our schools toe open from face to face instruction. We all want that. But you know, the infection rates continue to surge across the country A and across the county, in the countries that Sarah, I think center said this that countries that I have managed that open their schools have done so with declining infection rates. That is not the case for our county in our country. So, uh, based on Dr Felder's recommendation, I, too, will support it because I'm Lee Safety first. Thank you. He missed Stevens. Ms Howser. Oh, yeah. Um the trouser than this Doyle, your from I just First of all, I'm getting just a question from about the virtual academy. And if there's a way to sign up outside of the survey And, um, you know, maybe Dr Dawson can answer that at some point. In the interest of metrics, One of the things that's confusing me a little bit of this conversation is today is July 16th were delaying the start of remote of option B for four weeks. So that means from the middle of August to the middle of September and in the interest of metrics, I wonder if we can have ah, commit to a check in in the middle of August to see how things were going and to let parents know if we're on track toe open under be in the middle of September, I wonder if we could make a commitment, you know, just a commitment that people know that we are moving forward toe opening schools. But we have We will check the condition on the ground in about a month. It's for your feedback, Ms Howser. Miss Doyle. Thank you, Miss Mackenzie. And thank you, Dr Felder. Um, for your presentation and for all the hard work of staff. I've also been, um, moved by the, um, both the data and the numerous voices of teachers that we've been hearing from this week and that was really highlighted with the the number of cases from the Orange County data that Dr Felder presented for the teacher age bracket. Um, that it's 55% of our cases in that teacher age bracket. And how concerning that is I have a couple specific questions. Two are just kind of quick notes one, um, and this could be deferred toe later. This 1st 1 with the daily schedule slide. And I know those were samples to me. It looked great for the elementary. Um, approach the high school one. The instruction was really small. It was only two hours of instruction. Um, because they have four core classes, and so, um, it just seems like normally they're having an hour and 1/2 for each class per day. Um, and over two days, that would be three hours. So I feel like I hope to hear that that was, um, not the intent that there's only be one hour of instruction for each of the four courses over a two day period. Um, that might be something we could address more fully. Another quick comment, um, was was just I hope we send out the survey for families again. I know that not everybody got them. And I know we have Ah, older Have them done by tomorrow. Um, but the main question I have is are we going Teoh? And And this has been spoken to. And I got cut off in the middle of Miss Smiley speaking. So it's possible that this was addressed. I got dropped off the Internet here for a bit. So if Harold Isaacs is Reekie, But are we going to adopt a specific metric like, um, for New York State? The guidance is a 14 day average daily infection rate less than 5% and the W H O recommends 5% or lower for at least 14 days as well. And I know our, um slightly different measure, but our percent positives as a state, um, are at or over 7%. So So what metric are we adopting as a place of safety? Um, and I think that that would be really helpful to know, for for families that have some confidence in this approach that that there is a very specific goal. We're trying to get Teoh feel confident in the health and safety of our teachers and families. Thank you. If you miss Doyle, Miss Doyle, I think that my suggestion would be that if we adopt remote learning this morning for an opening, that perhaps we do some research and speak with the Health Department and vote on what our metric would be for Rio openings. Our meeting on Monday evening. That's just a suggestion I'll put out there. I want to also share that. I have heard from many people that, um, committing to the 1st 9 weeks to be remote. I've heard for many teachers I should say that committing to the 1st 9 weeks would be really helpful for them. I would provide consistency and it would provide It would allow for families to coordinate for child care for longer periods of time. Um, I also think it will give us time to get a remote learning really fine tuned and do this right for the first quarter of school. I know that staff is on that we are moving forward in a wonderful way. But I just want to make sure we are, um, really committing to do that as best we can. I have been getting emails from teachers who were talking about how committed they are doing remote directly and creatively. And I'm just inspired by the enthusiasm of our staff to really engage virtually during this pandemic. The other piece of information I wanted to make sure that the board and the public was aware of is that Chapel Hill, Carrboro City schools they're gonna be voting to remain closed or remain remote through the first marking period today. And I feel like it would be a benefit to us to be on the same schedule is them. Through the brilliant networking of board member Smiley. I'm going to be speaking with the mayor and reaching out to Chapel Hill, Carrboro School District and the Board of County Commissioners to see if we can align resource is for child care opportunities and Internet access issues and opportunities. So I think that committing to the same thing the big you could be really beneficial to not only our staff, but our students and families as well. Are there other comments, Mr Atherton and then Ms Howser? Yeah, I just wanted toe reiterate. Um, you know, I'm fully supportive our teachers and giving them the right resource is and making sure, um, you know, they have a good plan. They feel confident. I mean, they are the front line. Our students. We've got to make sure that we're doing this right. You know, the day our goals or to educate students and to make sure they have the right sort. Resource is and, um, Hillary. I agree, you know, reaching out to chapels, Little um you know, we've talked a lot about trying to reach out to churches and other organizations. You know, I think about the, um the, um, you know, rule it in clubs that offered up Internet service. You know that you could go there and you know, the transportation issues we have in the finances. And you know all these things that are. You know, adding up we've got to figure out is our community how to help address these? The other one I greet me with, You know what everybody said And I think it makes sense, like you said toe less on Monday. Get those metrics together. So we know and everybody has an expectation. And, you know, we give confidence to our parents and our style that, you know, there is a plan, and this is what it's going to be. And there's no surprises when we get to, you know, this question again on what we do. Um, so I also just want to take time to say thank you to everybody that's reaching out in giving us the larger picture of your situations. Your perspectives. And the challenge is, um because without you reaching out, we we don't have all of those. And I just appreciate everybody's time. Thank you, Mr Atherton, Ms Howser and then Miss Smiley. I just I just want to clarify, because to me there's two different kind of repeating myself a little bit. This two different conversations. Dr. Felder yesterday announced a recommendation to delay the about moving into option B for four weeks, which would move us into the middle of September with a revisit. Um, Then I I'm hearing now that we're really talking about ready until midnight, back to charge to the beginning of November 2. Movinto Option c And is that something we're going? That What? That's why I think I'm hearing. And right now, as a district, we have the option to move into B if we choose now. That may be. I think there's a big difference in moving a small group of kids in to be versus moving 50% of our kids in to be. I think they have really different risk profiles. I think there may be some kids that we really want to get back into school, you know, um, because being home is is not working. So I guess are we talking today about a four week delay? An option? Beer? We're talking about a nine week delay in Option B. I'm a little bit. I think that it's the pleasure of the board to do whatever we believe is in the best interest of our district. Miss how their doctor filters recommendation was four weeks and we get to decide how we'd like to move forward with that. I mean and district fit clothes for snow flurries. I just have a personal, difficult time justifying asking our staff toe work during a deadly serious end in it. So I I'm ready to commit to the 1st 9 weeks and then if our metrics that we vote on on Monday night were to show that we are county is an much better position with this virus than I suspect we will be before the nine weeks is over, Then we could potentially notify people that we were moving out of it. But I just honestly, at this point, I'm not sure that that's gonna happen. Okay, So just for clarity, when we say nine weeks, we're saying we're talking about moving in tow. Option B in November, right? That's what I mean. I don't think that any of us can say when we're gonna reopen Ms Howser. I'm just saying, What's nine weeks? We started nine weeks from today or nine weeks now that's ever stocking period of the school year, the first section of the school year. I don't know what say that it's probably like the third or fourth week of October Math lines. Thank you. Smiling. Are there other comments from the board, Miss Smiley? Yeah. I mean, I think those are the two things were talking about. Some of the advantages that I see to saying we commit to the 1st 9 weeks being virtual, um one. I think it grants a level of, um, certainty to our staff and teachers and to our families. I think that from, ah, like psychological safety perspective, there's actual benefits to the sort of mental health of people to have that level of clarity for that level of time. I think it'll cause teachers to teach more effectively actually, to just have that level of clarity. And I think what it'll communicate is we need to be really good at this. Virtual. It isn't like a thing to get through in the 1st 4 weeks of school. Um, you know, my concern is if we if we say it's a short period of time and then we say it's another short period of time and it that we're not gonna be sort of getting the best out of people, and it's going to just create this like ongoing, um, honeys And so So you know, I would be most in favor of, um, saying 1st 9 weeks and revisiting it like keeping an eye on the metrics. Actually, all along want to say, Are we Are we in a position where we think we can move out of that? So But I think it's Euro trade offs either way. So I understand Miss Hauser's point. Yeah, I understand both points as well. I will add cereal when you talk about the psychological well figure of our staff. I mean, I'm getting emails about our staff drafting wills and our stack having to choose between keeping their jobs and staying home because they're so scared of teaching in these conditions. And I know that there's a lot of considerations and I don't take it lightly. Teoh keep our buildings closed. I just personally, my heart is with our staff who is, um, really, truly fearful in a way that I haven't witnessed from our staff ever before. Miss other. I just wanna I don't believe our schools will be safe because our board has decided that they're safe. I believe that our schools will be safe as we can demonstrate that they are safe. And so I honestly, I've never been comfortable with the idea of all of a sudden opening up our schools, perhaps the kids that seems so risky with a whole set of new procedures around, you know, testing and, you know, you know, symptom testing and distancing and all that other stuff. So, you know, I was wondering if maybe we could delay until Monday or but I would be very interested in on option that certainly weight performer weeks. Let's start to look at a way to stagger, bringing back small groups of teachers and students to tend to make sure to pilot some of this and might be even on. Well, I think one of our parents s to bring some high school kids back in music ensembles. But there might be something we have, as long as we are allowed to open under B. And we use that again, starting in the middle September, not before and assuming that everything is still going favorite, it starts going favorably. Can we begin to bring back small groups, different groups and and just get it kind of proof that our schools are safe and if they're safe with a smaller group, we could start to make it a little bit bigger and eventually transition to return to school. I'm just, you know, you know, I just can't go from 0 to 60 in four weeks or nine weeks. I just need toe kind of Gradually. You, Miss Hauser. Other comments. That's from the board, Mr Atherton, and then was Really? Yeah, I I just want to say, you know, just like Miss Hauser said that, you know, I think, you know, high school, middle school and elementary. You know, we should look at differently. And if it means we can bring one of those groups back or smaller group of those back and, you know, make sure how our procedures work, you know, making sure you know, um, the distancing our safety precautions were working, and families and our teachers, you know, are comfortable with that. I think we should consider that, you know, at that point, I I want to make sure we have our metrics and you know, our direction of of, you know, Cove, it is in the right to whatever. You know, we come to on that decision that we're not still rising, and we're doing this. That makes the sense it's too risky. Um, but I do think we've got to figure out a way that we can do this. And it isn't in a just a large mouth. And I do think we still need to release some of our procedures and things like that to give comfort to our teachers. And our parents accepted expectation because we're gonna have to make some hard rules, right? Especially. Hey, you have symptoms. I'm sorry. You you can building, you know, Do we require testing at that point before you come back? You know all of those things I think we've got to flush out, set the expectations because, you know, we want to reduce that number a wrist down as low as possible below zero. As we, you know, try to make sure the safety of the students and our staff throughout this. Thanks, Mr Atherton. I wouldn't say that all of those reasons air good reasons to commit to 1/4 marking period of being remote so that we can get out of those procedures in place. Make sure that everyone feels safe. Everyone's clear about how we're gonna reopen when we're gonna allow people in the school, it will give our teachers the peace of mind to know that we have the spirit of time that they came, be at home, be safe with their new babies, their Children their, you know, figuring out what they need to do with with their own situations. We'll get families an opportunity to commit to child care. I think that there are so many reasons why committing to 1/4 would be just, um, create a lot of peace of mind for a lot of people in our district. Miss Miley, Um, I'm appreciating the points that Mr Atherton and Ms Howser shared. I mean, I personally also think gradually bringing students back in is the better approach. Um, I also one of the things that I think we can talk more about on Monday. Um, I may have mentioned it is I think, this how are we creating productive learning spaces for students who need them could be sort of an alternate pathway to some of that, um, building trust that this is possible. So if we we can talk more about this on Monday, just throwing it out there, if We created space in some very well ventilated buildings with all of the safety precautions, um, that were like learning spaces available for Children of our staff. Children who live in parts of the county where, like even the hot spots, don't work for Internet. You know, if we if we created some spaces and staff volunteered to work in them right to to so that kids had a building to be in tow, learn during virtual learning and that proceed safely right, like if that were able to proceed safely, I think that also sort of builds confidence potentially. Now I don't know whether that's a good idea or not, but I just what what I'm saying is, I really think that, um, there's so much uncertainty that being certain about leg this 1st 9 weeks, we're gonna do it this way. I think, um is just healthy for us, and that's my perspective. And I know there's a lot of downside. Is there? Are there any other comments or discussion? It's not. Then I will accept emotion motion. Teoh approve. Um, superintendents recommendation to go with Plan C remote virtual instruction. I'm sorry, Sarah. Was there more to that we needed a period of time or not. I mean, I think Do we need to commit to a period of time for that? It's certainly the board's pleasure. She said the open, um you could put a minimum on, like, at least four weeks. Um, okay. Thank you for your sentence, Mr Davison. Sarah, did you want to take that in any particular direction? Um, you know, I think what I would be interested in, maybe, uh, before I'm gonna withdraw this motion. I'm I'm curious, Dr Felder. What? Your thoughts are on this the president of before we have for the 1st 9 weeks. Sorry, Brenda. I cut you off, huh? So I am really? I'm processing and listening. Teoh. The discussion, I think points of being made for for both, Um And honestly, I would need to give it some more thought on. And I just wonder if we could come back to this portion of the conversation on Monday. Um, yeah. So a recommendation. If we can know what plan we're opening under as of today, that would be helpful. Realizing that there would be Actually, I do think the recommendation at least four weeks so that says it could be more than that. And maybe we can further define that on Monday. Um, but sure. I guess my If I could also just say so for me. What? Dr. All of this are the are the metrics. Um, and because again, the ultimate goal is to return to in person instruction, and so I just wouldn't want anything to stand in the way of that. But I think the points that are being made about nine weeks, um, are valid, and we should consider that Thank you so much for that. So I will I will make a motion that we move into plant, see for at least the 1st 4 weeks. But I would like us to continue this discussion because I genuinely believe it may be better for outcomes on experience. If we go with the nine weeks Second, This is and this is Brenda. And you didn't hear I was withdrawing my 2nd 1st up way. Have a motion for Miss Smiley and a second from Miss Stevens. Mr. Atherton? Yes, Miss Doyle? Yes. Ms Howser left. I vote Yes. Miss More. Yes. This smiling. Yes, This Stevens. So the motion passes unanimously. Orange County schools will open under Plan C for at least the 1st 4 weeks. And we will revisit this discussion on Monday night to discuss specific measures under pit under which we would consider reopening and possibly committing to the 1st 9 weeks. At that time, I want Teoh. Just think everyone, um, for the tremendous amount of work that went into helping us arrive at this decision this morning, we know that folks are gonna have tons of questions, some new ones, old ones that haven't been able to be answered just yet. He's now that the district will continue to update the website with the latest information and that we will be hosting several information sessions tonight. And tomorrow is Detrick Felder mentioned. And also, we will be providing other information sessions next week for on a variety of topics. Um, we really appreciate your patience and understanding as we work through this period of time where things are changing really, really quickly. Um, please wear a mask. Everyone, please wash your hands and physically distance when you're able to. It's our best chance of lowering numbers and Orange County and being able to open the buildings as quickly as possible for our students, which is what this board really wants more than absolutely anything. Please know how committed to our staff and teachers, the armor. I'm doing so many ideas from our staff members for creative ideas as we consider moving into remote learning. And we are a strong district, and they are going to get through this time and come out stronger on the other side with all the lessons that we've taken from this period. So unless there are any other comments or questions or plead back from the board, I will entertain a motion for adjournment. And I'm sure most into adjourn. I have ah, motion from Miss Stevens and a second from Mr Atherton. Um, Miss Stevens, I miss Smiley, I it's more. Ms Howser. Hi, Miss Doyle. I Mr Atherton, I I vote as well. We are adjourned. Thank you, everyone, for your hard work.