TEST TEST TEST >>> IT'S TIME TO GO "ON THE RECORD" WITH WRAL NEWS. >> GOOD EVENING WELCOME TO ON THE RECORD. I AM TRAVIS FAIN. EVERY TWO YEARS IN THIS COUNTRY WE ELECT A NEW HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. TONIGHT WE HEAR FROM CANDIDATES IN NORTH CAROLINA'S SECOND DISTRICT HERE IN WAKE COUNTY. THE RACE FEATURES A FORMER MEMBER OF THE NORTH CAROLINA HOUSE, DEBORAH ROSS, AND HER OPPONENT, ALAN SWAIN, A REPUBLICAN WHO SERVED 26 YEARS IN THE ARMY AND RETIRED AS A COLONEL. MR. SWAIN WORKED IN THE WHITE HOUSE UNDER PRESIDENT CLINTON AND GEORGE W. BUSH. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANKS FOR INVITING US. >> FIRST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF AND HOW YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCE QUALIFIES YOU. DEBORAH ROSS, WE WILL START WITH YOU. >> I AM SO GLAD TO GET TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF WAKE COUNTY. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS NOW. I SERVED IN THE LEGISLATOR AS YOU SAID FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS REPRESENTING DOWNTOWN RALEIGH, PART OF SOUTHEAST RALEIGH AND NORTH RALEIGH FOR A LITTLE WHILE. I HAVE ALSO BEEN ACTIVE AS AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING RENEWABLE ENERGY COMPANIES AND MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS WORK I DID IN THE 90s. ALL OF THIS HAS PREPARED ME TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF WAKE COUNTY IN WASHINGTON, D.C. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORK I DID IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ROLES HAS BEEN ACROSS THE AISLE, BIPARTISAN, HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE ON MY SIDE AND THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT DISAGREE OR HAVE ANOTHER IDEA OF HOW TO DO THINGS. I HAVE WORKED ON HEALTHCARE ISSUES, EXPANDING ACCESS TO MENTAL HEALTH CARE. I HAVE WORKED ON ISSUES TO TRY TO EXPAND MEDICAID. I HAVE WORKED ON VOTING RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND I WORKED ON BRINGING TRANSIT TO WAKE COUNTY. ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE PREPARED ME TO BE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE. I KNOW MANY OF YOU FROM MY LONG YEARS OF SERVICE AND THROUGH LIVING HERE AND I CANNOT WAIT TO GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND DO EVERYTHING I CAN FOR WAKE COUNTY. >> COLONEL, INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR US AND TELL US WHY PEOPLE SHOULD CHOOSE YOU. >> SHARE. I AM ALAN SWAIN. I DECIDED TO RUN BECAUSE OF THE BICKERING IN WASHINGTON, D.C. I THOUGHT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA NEEDED SOMEONE TO GO UP THERE AND BE A VOICE FOR WAKE COUNTY DISTRICT 2. THEY REACHED OUT TO ME SAYING WE NEED YOU TO RUN BASED ON YOUR BACKGROUND AND HISTORY AND YOUR WORK AT THE WHITE HOUSE, PLUS THE WORK I HAVE DONE AT THE PENTAGON. OUR THEME IS LIVE STRONG. YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WEARING T-SHIRTS WITH THAT SLOGAN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WAKE COUNTY CONTINUES TO LEAD IN INCOME AND GROWTH IN THE STATE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION IN WASHINGTON, D.C. I WANT TO LISTEN TO THE CONSTITUENTS HERE AND GO UP THERE AND BE YOUR VOICE. I WILL TELL YOU WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE DONATED OVER 70,000 PIECES OF PPE TO HOSPITALS THROUGHOUT THE NORTH CAROLINA REGION AND WE HAVE SENT SOME TO INDIA. WHERE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND SOLVE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WHETHER IT IS HEALTH CARE, PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR SCHOOL CHOICE AND EDUCATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU, TRAVIS. >> WHAT YOU THINK OF THE NATION'S CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE THUS FAR? >> I WOULDN'T GIVE IT BETTER THAN A C+. I THINK WE HAVE FAILED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND LOCAL LEVELS. IT IS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S REQUIREMENT TO HANDLE THE CRISES. THE STATE'S JOB IS TO BACK AND SUPPORT AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WHETHER IT IS EQUIPMENT OR PERSONNEL. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO COME UP WITH AN EXTRA RESERVE WHETHER IT IS PPE, MACHINERY, VENTILATORS THAT ARE NEEDED. IT GOES BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THIS TERM. WHEN WE FAILED IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE THE NEEDED PPE, THE 100 MILLION MASKS THAT WERE NOT REPURCHASED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SAME THING WITH VENTILATORS. THAT DOESN'T DENY THE FACT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION FAILED TO CATCH THAT AND REPLENISH OUR SUPPLIES. ICE FELT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DID NOT DO THEIR PART. I WILL PICK ON CALIFORNIA AND THE STATE OF WASHINGTON AND MORE SO THAN THE NORTHEAST LIKE NEW JERSEY, PENNSYLVANIA, AND NEW YORK. I WOULD GIVE THEM A C+ AT BEST. WE HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TESTING IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA OVER 3.1 MILLION AND TESTING, WHICH IS AMAZING. THIS COUNTY IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY NEEDS MORE WORK. WE ARE IN SECOND PLACE. MECKLENBURG HAS MANY MORE POSITIVES THAN WE DO BUT THEY HAVE MORE DEATHS ALSO. THEY ARE ABOUT 40% HIGHER THAN WE. WAKE COUNTY SHOULD DO THIS BETTER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING UP TO WASHINGTON TO FIX PROBLEMS WITH THE STOCKPILE LEVEL AND MAKE SURE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. >> MISS ROSS, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE RESPONSE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL? >> I THINK IT HAS BEEN WOEFULLY INADEQUATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOT TAKEN THIS CORONAVIRUS SERIOUSLY ENOUGH. I DO THINK THAT THE HOUSE, THE U.S. HOUSE, HAS DONE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE U.S. SENATE AND SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO DO. AS MANY OF YOUR VIEWERS HAVE SEEN, THE HOUSE HAS TAKEN YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO GET THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND GET OUR HEALTH PROVIDERS AND GET OUR PEOPLE, WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC. THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE ADMINISTRATION TRIED TO DOWNPLAY THE CORONAVIRUS. WE LOST VALUABLE TIME. WE DIDN'T DO THE TESTING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO IN THE BEGINNING. WE CAN LOOK AROUND THE WORLD AND SEE SO MANY COUNTRIES WHO HAVE DONE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THEY TOOK THE VIRUS SERIOUSLY. THEY LISTENED TO THE EXPERTS AND THE SCIENTISTS. THEY LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH FOLKS AND THEY HAVE MADE THEIR PEOPLE SAFE AND THEY HAVE BEEN MADE TO OPEN THEIR ECONOMY. I WILL SAY THAT GOVERNOR COOPER HAS DONE THE BEST HE CAN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH HIS POWERS. IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT NORTH CAROLINA IS DOING BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER SOUTHERN STATES BUT THE LEGISLATOR ALSO FAILED. IT WASN'T PREPARED. IT WASN'T PREPARED WITH UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS. IT WASN'T PREPARED BECAUSE IT FAILED TO EXPAND MEDICAID. WHILE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS GIVEN US SOME STEPS THERE, THE LEGISLATURE BEARS SOME OF THE BURDEN TOO. >> WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE TALKING WITH DEBORAH ROSS AND ALAN SWAIN, THE CANDIDATES. WE TURN NOW TO CLIMATE CHANGE. MS. ROSS, DO SUPPORT THE BIDEN PLAN ON CLIMATE CHANGE? ARE THERE CERTAIN ELEMENTS YOU DO OR DO NOT SUPPORT? >> I THINK CLIMATE CHANGE IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT THE CORONAVIRUS IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT GOING AWAY AND WE ARE SUFFERING FROM ITS EFFECTS WHILE WE ARE HINDERING THE CORONAVIRUS. WITH THE HURRICANES WE HAVE SEEN AND OTHER BAD WEATHER CONDITIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. THE BIDEN PLAN IS THE BEGINNING OF DEALING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. WE HAVE GOT TO BASICALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT LESS EMISSIONS INTO THE AIR. THAT IS GOING TO DEAL WITH HOW WE DRIVE OUR CARS AND HOW WE PRODUCE OUR ENERGY. WE HAVE TO CREATE A CLIMATE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO AND CAN EASILY CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. NORTH CAROLINA PROVIDED A REALLY GREAT ROADMAP FOR INCREASING RENEWABLE ENERGY BACK WHEN WE PASSED OUR RENEWABLE ENERGY PORTFOLIO STANDARDS. WE CREATED INCENTIVES FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY. AS A RESULT, WE ARE NUMBER TWO IN SOLAR IN THE COUNTRY. WE GREW CLEAN JOBS DURING THE RECESSION. WE HAVE GOT TO SET UP A GRID THAT CAN TAKE THESE RESOURCES AND GET THEM TO PEOPLE. WE HAVE ALSO GOT TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT CLEAN ENERGY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK 24 HOURS A DAY AND HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF THAT, HOW DO WE HAVE BATTERY STORAGE OR OTHER KINDS OF STORAGE? AND THEN WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDUCE VEHICLE ADMISSIONS BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALL JUST THE ENERGY WE PRODUCE. THE BIDEN PLAN PUTS A LOT IN PLACE TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO. I THINK WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN A BIPARTISAN WAY AND WORK ON THIS. WE ALL KNOW THAT ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE BIPARTISAN EVERY YEAR. THE NEXT GENERATION CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS THIS. IT WILL BE A PRIORITY FOR ME. I HAVE WORKED WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY COMPANIES FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WORKS. I UNDERSTAND HOW TO FINANCE IT AND I AM READY TO WORK ON CLIMATE CHANGE AS YOUR CONGRESSWOMAN. >> MR. SWAIN, YOU SAID YOU WANT TO USE CONSERVATIVE PREMARKET APPROACHES TO LOWER OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT. I WANT YOU TO GIVE US SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT MEANS. >> SURE, SURE. I REALIZE THAT FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SHIFTING AWAY FROM THE GREEN NEW DEAL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE STILL NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN PROVEN AND TRIED, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN REGARD TO INCREASING OUR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. SOLAR POWER IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT. WE HAVE TO DO MORE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE MY OPPONENT SAID, WITH REGARD TO HOW WE STORE THAT ENERGY. THAT HAS NOT MATURED YET EITHER. THE COUNTRY OF FRANCE, 80% OF THEIR POWER COMES FROM THE NUCLEAR GRID. 80%. WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, YET THEY ARE BUILDING MORE IN THE COUNTRY. SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS VERY GOOD, CLEAN ENERGY. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BIOFUEL HERE I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVE FUEL OPTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE NEED TO START TAPERING IT DOWN, JUST LIKE THE COAL INDUSTRY. YOU CANNOT JUST TAKE OVER BEING A 0% REQUIREMENT FOR ANY FUEL OR FOSSIL FUELS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND EXPECTED TO WORK FOR US HERE. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA LIKES TO SAY THEY ARE THE LEADERS WHEN IT COMES TO BE IN GOOD STORES OF THE ENVIRONMENT. EVEN BEFORE THE FIRES, THEY WERE DOING ROLLING POWER BLACKOUTS BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING ONE-THIRD OF THEIR ENERGY COMING FROM THE STATE OF NEVADA AND ARIZONA. THE PROBLEM IS, THOSE TWO STATES, NEVADA AND ARIZONA SAID NO MORE AND NOW THEY'RE DOING ROLLING BLACKOUTS. THE FIFTH LARGEST IN THE WORLD IS DOING ROLLING BLACKOUTS FOR POWER. NOW THEY HAVE FIRE PROBLEMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MY CONCERN IS IF THAT IS OUR FUTURE, I WOULD SAY WE DO NEED TO PRACTICE EMISSIONS CONCERNS. RIGHT UP ON MY ROOF ARE 24 SOLAR PANELS. I DRIVE A HYBRID CAR. MY DAUGHTERS ALL DRIVE HYBRID CARS. WE DO BELIEVE IN SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT BUT WE NEED TO DO THIS JUDICIOUSLY. LET'S SIT DOWN IN A BIPARTISAN MANNER AND FIND OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY AND LET'S NOT STAND AT ODDS BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. IF CONGRESS COMES TOGETHER AND CHANGES REGULATIONS AND WE INCENTIVIZE WHAT IS NEEDED, WE CAN MOVE AND SAVE OUR PLANET BUT RIGHT NOW WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. >> HOW DO WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO? I THINK OFTEN ABOUT THE NATION'S DEBT AND WHAT IT WILL COST TO DEAL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. IS THAT DEBT LOAD, COLONEL, IS THAT A PROBLEM? WOULD YOU SUPPORT A TAX INCREASE TO ADDRESS IT? >> WELL, YOU WILL PROBABLY HEAR THAT IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO US PROBABLY ADDING FUEL TAX. WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT A GAS FUEL TAX TO INCREASE THE REQUIREMENT. I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS HERE IN THE U.S., WE NEED TO HAVE BILL PAYERS. THAT IS A TERM WE USE AT THE PENTAGON. FOR EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO, SHOW ME HOW IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME TO THE BUDGET. WE ARE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB IN BOTH PARTIES. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BILL PAYER TO SAY FROM ONE PROGRAM TO ANOTHER, I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT. RAISING TAXES ON FUEL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT IS GOING TO BE GOOD AS LONG AS THAT MONEY GOES TOWARD RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. TO GET TO. >>> WELCOME BACK. ONCE AGAIN WE ARE TALKING VIA ZOOM. LET ME FLIP THAT FOR YOU, WOULD YOU CUT SPENDING? IF SO, WHERE WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? >> WELL, I AM HAPPY TO FIND EFFICIENCIES IN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I AM SURE WE COULD DO THAT. CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF DUPLICATION. I ALSO THINK WE CAN LOOK AT SOME THINGS WHERE WE COULD HAVE A PARTNERSHIP. INFRASTRUCTURE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE IT MIGHT BE WE COULD PARTNER WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THEY COULD TAKE ON SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUNDING THINGS AND TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE IT AND OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE THAT MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO INVESTIGATE. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS UNFAIR TAX POLICY THAT BENEFITS THE MOST AFFLUENT AMERICANS AND ADDS TO OUR DEBT WHEN MIDDLE-CLASS AND WORKING- CLASS FOLKS DON'T BENEFIT. ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES, OF COURSE, WAS THE TAX CUT PACKAGE PAST THE LAST CONGRESS AND SIGNED BY OUR PRESIDENT. IT HAS ALREADY CREATED A DEFICIT AND IT HAS CREATED EVEN MORE INCOME INEQUALITY AND BENEFITED THE VERY, VERY WEALTHY AT THE EXPENSE OF LOWER INCOME FOLKS. THOSE LOWER INCOME FOLKS NEED THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT CONGRESS NEEDS TO FUND RIGHT NOW. THEY NEED EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. THEY NEED HEALTHCARE. OUR RURAL HOSPITALS NEED A LIFELINE FOR SUPPORT. WE ARE HEARING FROM THE U.S. SENATE AND FROM OUR PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ADD IT TO A DEFICIT TO TAKE CARE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE. WE ARE WILLING TO ADD TO THE DEFICIT IN ORDER TO CUT TAXES FOR THE HIGHEST EARNING AMERICANS AND THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT. YOU DON'T DO THAT AND THEN LEAVE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORONAVIRUS WITH HEALTH AND ECONOMIC CONCERNS. WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE AND DO IT IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY. >> MR. SWAIN, LET STAY WITH THAT. WOULD YOU EVER RULE TO CUT BACK THOSE TAX CUTS? >> I HAVE GOT TO DISAGREE WITH MY OPPONENT. WE HAVE A GREAT THING FOR OUR NATION BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED. I WOULD GO IN THERE AND MAKE THESE TAX CUTS PERMANENT. THE CORPORATE TAXES WERE ESTABLISHED TO BE PERMANENT. I KNOW THAT IF VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS BECOME THE PRESIDENT, HE IS GOING TO ROLL THEM BACK. HE SAID HE WILL RAISE OUR TAXES TO $4 TRILLION. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT MORE TAXES, I PROMISE YOU THEY WILL VOTE FOR BIDEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID ONE OF HIS TOP PRIORITIES IS TO MAKE PERMANENT THE MIDDLE-CLASS TAXES. WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS JUST LIKE MS. ROSS SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT CERTAIN PROGRAMS THAT NEED HELP . THE REASON THAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE SENATE ARE BLOCKING THE 2.2 TRILLION THAT WAS ALONG THE PARTISAN LINES, 18 DEMOCRATS CROSSED OVER TO 17-207. MY GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE PAYING FOR THE MISTAKES WE ARE MAKING NOW. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE HELPING THEM OUT. WE NEED TO BE HELPING OUT OUR SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS AND EXTENDING THE PPP AND WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING IN HEALTHCARE TO GET US THROUGH. NOT ONLY VACCINES, BUT THE NEEDED HEALTHCARE THAT CAN HELP THOSE THAT HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS. EXPANDING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS IS GREAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. THE PROPOSAL BY THE PRESIDENT AND THE GOP SENATORS WAS THEY WOULD DO $400 INCREASED. THE $600 ALLOW PEOPLE TO STAY HOME AND NOT RECEIVED JOBS. THERE IS A TRADE-OFF THERE. I THINK THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TRYING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS. I DO WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I FEEL WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE. EVEN IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY, IT IS COMING BACK, BUT NOT COMING BACK FAST ENOUGH. WE HAVE CLOSED MANY, MANY BUSINESSES AND THEY WILL NEVER REOPEN AGAIN. FINDING A LIFELINE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE JOBS IS CRITICAL AND HOW WE DO THAT IS WE SPUR THE ECONOMY. WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS IN EXCESS. IT HAS BEEN SPENT THUS FAR FOR COVID-19 RELIEF. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTS TO REALLOCATE SOME OF THAT FUNDING . WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND SOLVE THIS. THE PROBLEM IS DEMOCRATS PUT UP A $3.5 TRILLION AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DO A SKINNY BILL OF $400 BILLION. THERE IS STILL AN IMPASSE. HOW WE SOLVE THAT COMES DOWN TO WHY YOU NEED ME TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE. IF I GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C., I WANT TO TAKE MY DISCIPLINED LEADERSHIP, MY ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SOMEONE HAS GOT TO GO UP THERE AND STAND AND CLEAR THE HOUSE. THAT IS WHAT I WILL GO UP THERE TO DO. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SERVE. I WILL GO FOR ME CITIZEN SOLDIER TO A CITIZEN STATEMENT. I WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GIVEN HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE PRESIDENT'S MINISTRATION HAVE BEEN INDICTED OR ACCUSED OF VARIOUS THINGS THE NUMBER OF LOBBYISTS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU THINK HE HAS DRAINED THE SWAMP? >> I DIDN'T SAY HE HAS DRAINED THE SWAMP. I PLAN ON GOING UP THERE AND DRAINING THE SWAMP. IF SOMEONE BREAKS THE LAW, THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. DRAINING THE SWAMP IS NOT A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN. IT IS LOBBYISTS. IT IS THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. WHY DO YOU THINK THE MEDICAL SERVICE COMPANIES, THE PHARMACEUTICALS ARE ATTACKING THE REDUCTION IN DRUG COSTS? THAT IS BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THEY PAY THEIR STOCKHOLDERS. THAT IS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY. THAT IS THE SAD PART ABOUT EIGHT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THE ONES I WANT TO GO UP AND PROTECT. I THINK MS. ROSS WOULD DO THE SAME THING. I THINK SHE HAS THE SAME AMBITIONS TO GO UP THERE. WE WANT TO FIGHT FOR THIS DISTRICT AND COUNTY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH VOICES TO SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE. >> ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. IN A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD COME BACK TO YOU, BUT WE'RE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TIME.