Moore County Schools holds meeting on mask policy
Moore County Schools holds the second of two meetings today over its current mask policy. The meeting is expected to draw protests from concerned citizens.
Okay are we live? Mhm. I'll call back to order this meeting of the more county board of education and again it is Wednesday September 22, this is a special called meeting uh this time I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. Second Motion by MS Thompson. 2nd by Mr Dennison. All those in favor opposed Motion carries 70 at this time I would ask that we welcome Mr Andrew cox executive officer for budget and finance to lead us in the pledge. Mhm. Please stand and join me in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Uh I'll ask board Vice chair MS Thompson to lead us in a moment of silence. Thank you, madam Chair. It was my intent to ask that we Take a moment of silence when our meeting was set for last week to just reflect on 9 11 As we had just passed that uh monumental weekend. So I would just ask everybody to take a moment of silence this evening. Uh to reflect on our 9-11 days. Thank you. Thank you. We'll now move on to recognitions is Crystal Bell, please join chair carter and vice chair Thompson at the front, please hope sorry Crystal Bell from New Century Middle school is this month's engaged, inspired succeed. Certified staff honoree. Miss Bell began her career as a centurion five years ago and as she continues to grow as a learner, a teacher and a leader. Starting out as a student teacher, she now teaches 7th and 8th grade math. Last year she developed a positive and supportive learning environment that challenge student and uh students in a hybrid in person remote classroom. She continues to work with students into this challenging learning environment. This year this bill has served in multiple roles at the school, including serving on the school improvement team and as a great level chair, she has established and led professional development for her colleagues and shares with them a passion for engaging, inspiring students for success. Miss Bell goes above and beyond for her students and her colleagues and we are very thankful she is a centurion with members of this, of the Bell family and Principal Metcalf please stand and be recognized. Mhm Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. What's a lot? Oh you all right, you look at it, thank you so much. Yeah, mm hmm. Mhm. Yeah. Gail Devers from Pinehurst High School is this month's engaged, inspires succeeds. Poor staff honoree. Unfortunately this disease was able to attend tonight's meeting so principal phillips will present her award to her later this week. Congratulations Miss D's. Okay luke O'donnell from Union Pines High School is this month's engage inspire succeed. Student honoree Luke was unable to attend tonight's meeting but he will attend the October 12 regular business meeting to receive his award and congratulations Luke. This concludes this month, inspire engaged recognition, wow home come tell me more. Mhm. And we're moving out to the consent agenda is your motion to approve as presented. So move Motion by Mr Dennison. 2nd by Mr Levy all those in favour. I proposed Motion carries 70 at this time we will move to public address to the board. Um Vice here Thompson, thank you madam chair. We do have uh serve ill uh community and public speakers this evening um and I would just like to read a few brief instructions please. Um just to remind everyone that our time is limited to three minutes per individual speaker, no yielding of time to other speakers and no extra time for those speaking on behalf of groups. A clock will be displayed on the screen to allow the speaker to know when his or her time is up and the speaker is expected to stop at that time. If the speaker has printed information that you would like to share with board members, we ask that you provide your hand out to our executive administrative assistant uh Sonya potter and she will distribute that information to board members discussions regarding particular individuals, employee student records or other matters which are required to be kept confidential may not be discussed in this open forum setting. The board will allow for a total of one hour of public comment and ask that all comments be respectful and civil per ordinary rules of order and decorum. And we receive the sign up and it got a little wet with smeared names, so please uh, excuse me already up front if I mispronounce the name. Uh try my best to get it correct. We have Mr Gar Miss Ashley Karsi. No. Uh that last name was a bit smear. And then after that Tricia Athens, all of you are up to speak at the podium, please um announce your name and then you can begin speaking. Mr Gar. Okay, good evening board dr Gramm ASI Chairperson carter. Um My name is Ariad need a gar. I am here to address some things that have been said regarding the Southern Pines land and Housing Trust, I believe it was board member levy who, at your last meeting was discussing um feeling that the Southern Pines land and Housing Trust was acting in bad faith with Southern Pines and the local government. I just wanted to point out that I believe and I could be wrong, but I believe that it was board member Hensley who kept asking where's Southern Pines in this? Whereas Southern Pines support. So now Southern Pines is showing their support. I don't really think you can have it both ways. Additionally, I would like to address many comments that board member levi made regarding the blanching carter Discovery Park. Um I know Glancy carter. Um I was personally offended by how many times he felt the need to say it's not even really a park, it's a playground area. Um it's a fairly large expanse of land and it's a Discovery Park. So it's not meant to have a bunch of pre manufactured things on it. It's meant for discovery by Children and some adults. Uh Southern Pines interest in it is for Greater Southern Pines. It will benefit everyone in Southern Pines and Southern Pines got together and paid for it and many of them helped build it. So I would just like to say that I think it very much is a park. Um And lastly, I would like to address the deals that were on the table that fell through and say that I I really wish you would have taken or would still take our a full asking price offer for the land in question because it's just wasting taxpayer time and money to continue looking for a way to just not work with the land and housing trust. The cost of re segmenting the cost of the cost of reappraising different sections of land separate I think is unnecessary because what we want to do is something real and something great and something that would benefit Southern Pines in moore County well into the future. So I ask that you please consider that. Thank you. No, I'm asking Corsino community artist and I'm back with more artwork. But first I wanted to just make sure that I left off with what I had finished with last meeting because I had brought were postcards that I know I left here, but I didn't get to finish um reading off a couple other people that really wanted that sale to go through in the entirety. So I'll just read quickly jan my friend from the Artist League would like to volunteer for the art programs. Pam from the Artist League would like to utilize the respite care programs for her mother. And dr Corsino would like to volunteer at the free clinic. Valerie would like to bring her kids to the Children's programs and the park. So that's what I came to advocate for today. Um is the preservation of the billion chief carter with Discovery Park. So I went ahead and made some nice artwork for you guys again. It says I want you to save the park moore County Board of Education sell. Wait, no, I cross it and wrote bequeath fancy carter to town Southern Pines, save the trees and save the play. You can make this. So and then I have a nice sign that says welcome to the beautiful Southern Pines historic blanching carter Discovery Park and I'm in the park during the trees. So I think you guys can make this happen for me. Don't make an artisan happy. Okay, I feel like I could call about 20 people right now who would be very excited to go and take their kids to the park and play as soon as it's open for public. So I want to make sure that everybody makes a good choice here, right? Especially a fellow Pinehurst resident. I know Pinehurst people like our trees as mr Strickland duck up for us recently. So I'm looking forward to you guys figuring out a way to number one, get rid of this property. Number two, make some money and get it done. And like I said, it's save the park. All right, that's it For the next three. I got one. Good evening. My name is Tricia Athens. My four Children are grown, but I'm a medical professional community. I am here because what is happening in the school district is madness. So are you promoting masks to make adults feel better with a false sense of security or to be able to say when someone comes down with Covid, you don't have to quarantine because everyone was wearing a mask. The fogging of our glasses is a clear visible sign that masks even when worn properly. Don't stop the ministerial covid respiratory particles. You are letting local health department regulate medical decisions for our students rather than their parents, shame on the medical practitioners that stand before you and feed the fear narrative, we need to be prepared to fight the vaccine mandates that are coming for our Children and they are coming despite no recognition of the protection offered by natural immunity, declining levels of vaccine effectiveness. Universal understanding that the vaccines don't stop infection or transmission of Covid almost zero chance of young people becoming seriously ill from natural covid infection, But a frighteningly high likelihood of acute injury from the COVID-19 vaccine in no long term data months ago, Many months ago. Covid vaccine injuries were already higher than the combined injury of all other vaccines in history. There is no chance of achieving herd immunity because this vaccine is leaky and transmissible to animal hosts. The experts and tyrannical leaders are lying to you with joe biden promising to do everything within his power to get the shots in the arms of five and six year olds. This should give you chills. Make no mistake. This debacle is all about controlling you and selling vaccines. There's a reason why people are dying from covid, but it's not because it's so untreatable. It's because federal agency censored early in home treatment approval of an emergency use authorization for a vaccine requires that there be no effective therapeutics. This folks is why all the cheap, readily available therapeutics were viciously viciously maligned. The National Institutes of Health has quietly passed a regulation giving hospitals liability protection if they follow the NIH protocol, which of course prohibits chief cheap, safe and effective therapeutics. The most recent Tony Fauci emails obtained through another foia requests are a must read, wow that guy is so compromised. No one should ever believe another word. He says. People are voting with their feet with continued masking and CRT SCL Marxist ideology corrupting more county schools, home schools and private schools are growing rapidly. These families will fight to take their tax dollars with them under your watch defunding is real stop making our students casualties because you've been fooled by the politicization of COVID-19 together we can fight this, but we must recognize truth to change course and protect our Children. Take these masks soft, stop encouraging needles and arms and get some therapeutics for your medicine cabinets. You can stop living here. Thank you Teddy Woods madam chair ready for these people that can't keep quiet during the thing if if they can't. Well well, well police asked as far as they haven't removed because we expect people to be able to hear everything that people are saying. So be quiet during speakers. Thanks, we'll take that, take care of that. Is it for um for staff here in this program? Okay. Um our next three speakers is um teddy woods tom Lhasa pio. Did I pronounce that? Right? I'm sorry if I didn't it's okay, Rachel, Cullen and Christine potter if you would prepare to come please? And again as you get to the podium please um give us your name. 30 woods uh can I take the mask off? I have a strong accent, nobody will understand me with the mask on is an impediment european. That's a matter to be able to give the writing madam chair. I would hold, hold on just one moment. Is there a guideline through the governor's office about removing a mask to speak? I'm not aware of any such guideline. No, I would suggest that the guidelines applicable for this meeting be applied equally to all speakers and participants in public comment and then we would ask you to keep your mask on place madam chair. I object to the consideration of the chair, I object to the consideration of the chair. Thank you. Uh They are you asking to appeal the chair, correct? That means that we have a vote, that means that you state your case. I state my case and we have a vote on the board on your ruling for saying Mr Hensley. Well you state your case first according to robert's rules, uh according to guidelines currently in effect throughout the more county schools master required of all persons adult and child who have here within our school properties for that reason. And in order to prepare to properly um and enact this throughout all folks, we would ask that everyone within our room maintain their mass across their nose and mask and you gentlemen on that second room might want to pull your mask back up as well. Such that we abide by school policy as it has been enacted by this school board. Thank you. Mr Hensley. Um I would I would as I'm making notes, I would state the following one is that the government, the Governor's executive order specifically permits as an enumerated right uh for speakers as they're standing at the podium to speak? I mean, you see the governor doing it or you see Miss Cohen doing it, dr Cohen doing it secondly, um I would say that the that uh once again I'm trying to read my writing here, I can't read my second bullet, but so the first thing is the government executive order allows it. Secondly, we have the americans with disabilities act to consider. The speaker mentioned that she has a heavy accent and that it's difficult for her to speak with a mask and I think we have to take reasonable accommodations uh for people's accents or whatnot. And I know myself I have difficulty hearing, so it's actually helpful for me to see people's mouths move. So I would suggest that we allow uh speakers why they're speaking to remove their masks. Uh Madam chair. There's also one thing I would point out that our speakers are probably six ft socially, if they remain at the podium, they're probably close to six ft socially distant from anybody except maybe Mr Hensley. And and he'll accept the except the danger I'll go sit over there, we would we would now proceed to a vote to uh suspend board policy um and allow speakers at the podium to remove masks. All those in favor, call for a division of the house? Let me finish Mr Holmes, although who's in favor, please vote as I call upon you, Mr Holmes, what's the the question is do you want to suspend board policy and allow speakers to remove their masks? Miss caldwell. Miss Thompson. Mr levy. Yes. Mr Dennison Mr Hensley. Yes. And the chair also votes. No uh motion fails. We would ask that you please maintain your mask while at the podium. I'm sorry that your accent is considered a disability by Mr Hensley. Oh we cannot we cannot hear the speaker. If that is the way you would like the meeting to proceed then we won't be able to hear anyone who comes forward to speak. That was a low blow. Excuse me ordering the audience. Excuse me ma'am. You'll be asked to leave if you continue. Okay man. Priest for C. I'm not here today. Police the scientific studies. The crew masks don't work. Yes those masks we have here don't work. You teach them you know that don't stop the spreading of the virus. You know that the Children are low risk of contracting and spreading the disease. If they get the virus they acquire natural immunity. Yours are aware of the physical mental consequences that masks cause on our Children. Those of you detective rates masks do not have in mind the best interests of personal safety of the students. You associate the facial coverings with the quarantine rules. One mask celeste quarantine creating a false sense of security. You quarantine how to Children stuff for the sake of the world. This is going to work The academics. There's a strict quarantine rules imposed in our schools. Not totally do not have a scientific basis. But they are also recommendations. Human data. What C. D. C. And north Carolina Department of Health to consider exemption for instance are accepted People with disabilities. You also mandated masks even implicate. I consider a child abuse. What's next inoculating Children that were experimental drugs? More Children than expected. They've been hospitalized for covid 19 vaccine as a september hey verse reported 1413 case of michael diaries among the young population And maybe a 12 year old. That that was part of the first vaccine trial is now paralyzed from the waist down. The vaccines don't work vaccinated people get infected, they transmit the disease uh higher level but I are viral load then they are vaccinated. Otherwise they wouldn't have the booster that also has been rejected by FADA for ages 16 and after Now they are targeting our Children age 5, 11 and kids and the kids. We all know that are not even at risk. You should focus on education. Keeping good school standards. Instead of trying to take our parental rights away with the parents won't be silent. We won't back down. They are coming after other Children first we locked down closure of school parks, playgrounds, masks such a distancing and now by getting them were experimental drugs. This has to stop. We should rise up against this tyranny. Mhm ma'am mr tom ma'am ma'am come forward, ma'am. Excuse me. Yeah, man that is not allowed at this point. We have another speaker ready to go. I couldn't understand you. Thank you so much. I'll read it later on. We're fine. Thank you. Look at copies of it. Mr tom If you come forward, we're ready to move on to the next speaker. Mr lo Savio, my name's Tom. Lowe Sapio, Excuse me. I'm not used to speaking through a mask because I don't wear them. I have no school aged Children in this county but I feel morally obligated to stand up for their rights. As you can see I am wearing the typical mask that most of us in here where they are cheap. They are flimsy. They get very dirty very quickly and they are not often washed or cleaned. They're not made to do that. So I'm wearing my mask. I'd like to tell you that this mask has holes in it that are 500 nm in width. An incredibly small piece. But I also want to tell you that the covid vaccine particle Is 125 nm in width. I would like someone on the board to tell me how this whole stops this particle from getting through. It doesn't anyone or present some type of research that says these things work. So why are we doing this? Well now I'd like to talk to a very famous man named Tony Fauci. Please bear with me mm 1983 at the onset of AIDS, Tony Fauci said to the Journal of American Medical Association that there was a possibility that routine contact within a family can spread the disease. He scares the nation into believing that you can contract AIDS without physical content. However, in May of 1983, in the Journal of Medical Association, Mr Fauci says, AIDS has, I'm sorry, excuse me. In June of 26 of 1983, 2 months later, he tells the Baltimore sun that it is absolutely preposterous to suggest that AIDS can be contracted through normal content. Aids, one of the most devastating diseases we have. And first he says, you can pick it up by being in the room with someone and then two months later says, oh no, I was wrong now. The whole country is panicked. Mr Fauci believes in wearing these masks In January of 2000 China. Shuts down the Wuhan. The Wuhan Province, Mr Fauci says to CNN, I can't imagine shutting down new york or Los Angeles when you shut things down, it doesn't have a major effect. Then Mr Fauci tells usa today that the risk from coronavirus in the United States, this is in february 17 of 2020 that the risk of coronavirus in the United States is quote just minuscule, just minuscule three weeks later, Less than two on. Thank you. Miss Rachel Colin. Okay, if you'd like to eat no profession members of the board. My name is Rachel Cullen. I spoke to you last week concerning parental consent for medical treatment of minors. My question before you today is the school board willing to take substantial liability risk By doing the job of the health department. It became abundantly cleared in the last meeting that those members voting in favor of universal school masking did so under a presumption that without universal masking quarantines imposed by the health department which shut down in person learning but you agree that's not good. If the more county health Department has issued such a policy, this presumption would be founded however, on research. No such policy exists. What the board seems to have overlooked is the law governing quarantine and isolation. General statute 1 30 a dash 1 45 states that only those who are unimmunized may be subject to quarantine or isolation. It is not a mask that is protecting against quarantine and isolation. It's immunity. The general statute continues to state that hipAA must still be respected and the health department should be notified of infection by one of two sources. The school nurse who is supposed to be funded by the health department and be at every school or the individuals medical provider, not the principal of the school as stated by mandy cohen on notification. The health director has the duty and legal authority to quarantine isolate and contact trace legally the school is only obliged to provide information requested by the health department, class rosters etcetera. Lastly, any person subject to quarantine or isolation has the right to challenge the measure in court and the health director, not the school board has the legal burden of proof as it pertains to the threat of person poses. How can the health director legally enforce an order or provide burden of proof when they have not collected the evidence on or provided notice to the infected in taking on the role of the health department. The school board simultaneously promotes negligence within the health department and puts themselves in substantial risk of liability which will ultimately result in greater risk to the community. There seems to be a problem with delineation of borders, the rights of parents, the rights of schools and the duties of the health department. Even that the duty of the school board itself. This is really astounding since more county has such low reading and math proficiency rates. My suggestion is that you leave the option of masking to the parents and you leave the obligation of health to the health department where it belongs and you guys focus on education. Thank you Miss Christine carter. They'll have to forgive me. This is my first time speaking at this um school board. Um these meetings and I wasn't thoroughly prepared at first because I thought they were going to be more people to speak but I decided to step in and speak on behalf of appearance. Um I don't know why you decided to run for the board of education or the school board. I can say that I know the reasons for some of you because you've made them clear whether through radio shows, facebook pages, um, comments or coming out to meet with us who come out here too. I don't think we're protesting. We're just saying, hey, we're parents and we want to be involved in our Children's education. So I know I can say some people have made it clear, others have kept it hidden. You don't speak to us, you refuse to take meetings, you won't even look us in the eye. Sometimes. I don't find that helpful. My hopeful assumption is that you've had a desire to be on a school board to fight for our Children and make a difference in Children's education education. This would be done by supporting teachers, students and parents to ensure that the students in our district are assured a top notch education with a focus on reading, writing and math, the true foundation of education, but the biggest responsibility and always is, and always has been to represent the people by whom you were elected. The people who actually elected you to sit on this board, the parents, the community, the people who have Children in your schools. Mrs MS, Libby carter. I don't believe that you do that. I don't know why you are so mad, but I can assure you that being rude and disrespectful to people who have Children who are technically under your care. It's not going to gain you respect. It makes us feel like all you want to do is control us and tell us what we can't do, not to tell us. You're here to take care of our kids education, not to tell us that you're here to be respectful of what we want as parents. But somehow you want to tell us you're in charge and we don't get a say so and I am speaking directly to you because you're the only one who's ever so extremely rude. It is not your responsibility to coerce our Children or indoctrinate them. I have only been here a year in Moore County one year and in that year I have not seen a good emphasis on good old education. I've seen deep dives into every rabbit hole, distraction and diversionary tactic. And I definitely have not seen an entire school board who are choosing to represent those who elected you instead. You're focusing we wanted you to focus on foundational education. I have seen you try to make medical choices for my Children pushing an agenda on their informative brains, making them feel guilty for their familial background and preventing them from getting the social skills they need for Thank you. Thank you Miss potter Next, we have Michael Friedel, Shannon Davis Jody Wilson Paula gross and again, please state your name. Hi, I'm Michael Friedel and I come here before you tonight to challenge the school administration right now. Our schools are being beaten badly by the charter schools in terms of math and proficiency. When football teams get beat badly many times you hear the coach said they need to get back to the basics. With that said, I challenge you to go back to the basics and focus on reading a map. To do that. You need to set quantifiable goals, purge yourself of these controversial surveys, get all the Children functioning at the appropriate level of reading and math and you will have Children who feel very good about themselves when presenting proposals, you need to quantify what the results you're looking to achieve at Dennison share with me the proposals to turn three grade schools into restart schools. When I looked at the proposals, they included some great things that the teachers and principals did prior to the proposals, but there was nothing about how much restart would cost or what it would achieve. I asked that, what were you expecting? His response was so we can do whatever we want, just like the charter schools. I also discussed with the goals of the individual schools and how they cannot be quantified except for one goal and said that when the board meets in october to set goals. He's going to insist that the goals be quantifiable. I say, why wait do it now. How the schools go back to redo their gold. So they're quantifiable. But this year the school administration needs to be challenged in what they present to the board at the last open meaning. It was obvious that the intent of the administration was to have the board approved requiring masks and did not present a thorough and balanced analysis. They owe it to the board and to the parents to do their job and ending. I challenge the administration to turn our schools into a rated schools by managing with quantifiable goals and focusing on the basics to the school board. I challenge you to force the administration to provide complete proposals, thorough analysis and begin managing our schools with quantifiable goals. Thanks and may God bless you and give you the wisdom, courage and strength to do the right things. Thanks Shannon Davis. I'm Shannon Davis and I'm running for more county school board. I'm gonna piggyback off of him for just a second. It was perfect what he said, he rounded it off that um, he was praying for you guys to have strength and wisdom. That's exactly what I did. The first time that I spoke here three months ago, I prayed out loud from this stand for each of you to have strength and wisdom and God answered my prayer, but not the way that I wanted you see on one of your eyes to be open to the dangerous effects of social emotional learning propaganda that is taking away our Children's education and replacing it with the with division and confusion. I want to read real quick George Washington said, it should be your care, therefore mine to elevate the minds of our Children and exalt and exalt their courage to accelerate and animate their industry and activity to excite them in habitual content, contempt of meanness, abhorrence of injustice and inhumanity, and an ambition to excel in every capacity, faculty and virtue. If we suffer their minds to grovel and creep and embassy, they will grovel all their lives. We don't want that for our Children. Social emotional learning provides only that I want you to see that critical race theory is in fact still in our curriculums. Despite the goodwill efforts that you put forth to keep it out, I want you to set the standards of freedom for our state as you vote on whether or not to make mass optional. I wanted you to focus on our near failing school grades and not our graduation rates. I wanted you to make wise and honest investments with our property so that we could then reinvest in the outdated school buildings in the less privileged areas of our county. So how was my prayer answer? Because it doesn't seem like it has been to me at all. However, I prayed for strength and I prayed for wisdom for you all. Here is my strength and here's my wisdom. These are smart people sitting here. We're not, we're not blinded to the things that are happening and the Lord is providing. It stood out to me. It stood out with me on the lawn last week despite the, the meeting getting moved. Unfortunately, it stood out today. Again in the rain. Some of us are still wet from it and it's standing up with me. Now, one by one, we're gonna continue to stand, we're gonna continue to come. We will be heard through our masks or without them. We're not going away. Knowledge in every country is the surest basis of public happiness. Um is also something that George Washington said and one more thing, how much I have 16 seconds. Four men are to be precluded from the offering their sentiments on the matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind. Reason is of no use to us. The freedom of speech may be taken away and talent. We made like right now, how low gross! Yes, ma'am! My name is Jody Wilson. I'm sorry, Jody Wilson Yes, my name is Jody Wilson. My daughter is an audience. Could you stand up please? Um in moore County Schools that says engage, inspire and succeed. My daughter is engaging. I'm hopefully inspiring her to be stand up for what she believes in and I'm hoping that you guys allow her to succeed. She is one of the, you can sit down baby. She is one of the students that was on the Cranes Creek Elementary School bus of 70 Children getting quarantines. Um The CDC states that it's six ft within 15 minutes. These Children are wearing their masks. They're doing everything you're supposed to, you're telling them to do their be there. I'm sorry. Okay. So um, She gets quarantined for 14 days. There's Children in the cafeteria crying because they're getting quarantined now backfire two years ago. If you would have told these Children that they were um, not having to go to school, they would have jumped for joy. The CDC states that 50% of our teenagers have attempted suicide. Their mental stability is gone under with this mask with this quarantine? With everything that, that you guys are requiring them to do? And then what do they get? They get rewarded by the vaccinated Children. Get to go to school. Why the CDC states that vaccinated people can carry this virus. They state that they can also get the virus. So they get to go to school um, unpunished because quarantine is punishing and I will tell you, I watch my daughter do her schoolwork who is an a student by the way and a cheerleader at the middle school. And is anybody even listening? Can I get some time back or anything? Um let me go back to this. How many people in here has ever had the chicken pox. Do you remember way back when, when mom and dad used to take us to whoever had the chicken pox so that we can get it? I will tell you I am a parent, I am, this is the first time I've ever done any of this. I am so angry that you guys are Yeah, trying to be our parents to our Children. Let them succeed. When she's quarantined at home. You guys are giving her not you guys. But the school is giving her busy work. She's not. Mhm. Learning anything. Let these Children succeed, stop contact tracing, stop allowing you know, it's awful. Um in the quarantine, I just want to make sure that I mentioned that the school bus driver was not quarantined and was put on a route that with other Children. Thank you mis palabras. Yeah, okay I'm Paula gross and here again kind of singing the same song hoping for a different result. Two years ago my husband and I moved here to be close to family. We encouraged her daughter to come from colorado and we said the schools will hear the schools are good, wow. Now no one could foresee covid but I had no idea some of the problems that that would come come out with the result of this, this pandemic, so to speak and just a reminder, you're gonna hear it every time that the school board is supposed to enforce the will of the parents to whom much is given, much is required and whether or not you believe in God you will be held accountable for these little people that are underneath your your authority and we're asking that you really, really allow the parents to do what God has told them they're supposed to do. There is an order and you are interfering with that proper order. These parents are smart, give the make it masked optional because we're on a slippery slope right now. Hope it's not gonna go away. It's going to be all these different. You know, my husband and I had it in July was strange. We're in our 60s were okay. It's not gonna go away. We have to live brave lives. I would rather live a brave life shorter than a scared life longer. And I'm gonna tell you this is just the start because soon this is going to lead to mandatory vaccinations. That is a terrifying thought. I am not, I'm not going to be vaccinated. I'm in the high risk group. Um The average time from the FDA application to approval of drugs is 12 years, median time is 10 years. We are going to be making guinea pigs of our Children. If we let them do this. And if you don't take a stand now with the mask thing, which is just one level of it. You need to, you need to gird up man because the mandatory vaccination Thing is coming. Our president is making people that don't want to get vaccinated, the bad guys. If you think it's not going to filter down to you guys and to this level in 1942, the Germans people start wearing yellow stars to shoot the show. They were juice. I have often wondered how did they convince these people to do this? I mean it wasn't health related. It was two. Well, I want to move on to something else, but kids are resilient, but we're we're unnecessarily making them afraid to breathe and the very air they're surrounded with that's going to have negative emotional side effects That can help. I remember having leg aches when I was a little girl and that was when the polio vaccine was being developed and at one point I had growing pains and they told my parents we think she has polio. The terror I felt from one faults statement from my doctor stays with me to this day. If you think these little kids are about five years old, if you think the little kids are not going to be affected, please do the right thing. Thank you. That next is Courtney Gross. And um the next couple of names um was smeared by by the water. So um someone at 5-187 lakes. Well 52187 lakes West. E something that starts with the something supposed. Uh huh. And then next is um someone with the first name of March, March. Okay. Hi, my name's Courtney growth. Um I get fired up like so many, but I really want to come at you with respect and I just implore you to please watch this video and understand that this is not just one case of this, this is why recording in progress issues and that kind of thing. So that's really what I like to say is a work in progress. We don't have all the answers yet on how Acorns is gonna look entirely. Um we're going to make adjustments as we go along. Um I have met with the team, I have been out to their facility where they are, they are at a location that is a safe place um where members of the public income, those who might be um dealing with any kind of mental crisis can come and talk to the counselors. We intentionally made it a safe place like that when you don't make it a police station because we know that those who are suffering from crisis do not always want to talk to a police officer in a uniform that looks like me necessarily. Um they want to talk to somebody who's trained to handle those situations and that's what the Acorns unit is about. So um there are a couple of things, I just want to highlight and then we can certainly open up to questions um that you may have the Acorn team um has five robust prongs. Um One is outreach. Again, they are taking referrals that come from the field of an officer goes on a call for service and that officer recognizes that somebody might have a mental health need, he or she can make a referral to the Acorns unit and then they will follow up on it also to education. So aside from just providing services and interventions, um they are starting to go out and educate the public on what the Acorns unit is as well as resources that are available to those who need it. Also to case management and that's where the social workers come in. They each individual that they interact with and work with, they do it in confidence and then we build a case on that person so that if we have to have a follow up uh interaction with them or if that person leaves, let's say we know like particularly with our homeless population there very transient, they might live here today and then they might move to Durham and they could go to holly springs in different area but we provide case management. So if they do and they work with another agency were able to provide information and share that information about what we dealt with. Hearing in Raleigh with that individual also to feel services. Again that's when the clinician and the officer are going out as a team to do those follow ups and then they also do an investigation and intervention, that's why we have a detective on the Acorns unit because there are cases sometimes where uh those individuals who are suffering from mental episodes might be a victim of a crime, It is a crime. And so somebody has to investigate that and you need somebody that understands what the person might be dealing with, somebody that has the compassion and the professionalism to really deal with somebody who's in mental crisis and so having a detective on the team, um she is there for that purpose. Um the detective that we currently have is a wonderful person to be on the team because she has been engaged with the rally population for a long time. She knows many of the individuals that are dealing with homelessness. She has talked with them over the years, She has known that she has come up in this police department answering calls for service and being in those areas where those individuals are. So she is a great person to have on the team rather than bringing to somebody that's brand new that doesn't know or doesn't have a connection already with certain members of the community. So those are the five prongs um of the Acorns unit also to referrals and calls for service assigned to the Acorns team are responded by the social worker and an officer who are trained to respond to those crises and the Acorn team does not provide diagnosed diagnosis, which I think is very important. Um they do not provide diagnosis, counseling services or other health care to individuals in the community, we partner with other agencies that do that and non profits to do that and then we make the referrals to them. So just kind of in a nutshell, that is the Acorns unit, that is the purpose of them, that is their goal and what they're doing. Um Again, as I have stated, this is still in its infancy, so we're learning a lot. We are growing. Um I met with the team just the other day just to get some feedback on how things were looking, how many referrals that they have been doing and they are starting to get a lot at this point. Um we'll continue with the education campaign so that people know what they're about and um and we're just hopeful and well I'm not gonna say hopeful, I'm going to say that we're confident that this group is going to continue to serve a great service in our community and for those who needs to help the most uh chief. Can you elaborate on? Yeah, your role in Arrow together. Um and what you want to see and your experience um dealing with advisory boards. Um Sure, so, and I don't want to be unfair in how I answer this question because I don't know a lot about the community advisory board here in Raleigh, I mean I just don't know much about you and I know that it's a it's a new board that's been stood up um where I can speak from is my experience in charlotte and what we, I have seen their, so in charlotte we have a citizens review board and their role I believe is a little bit different. The Citizens Review board looks at cases of officer misconduct or alleged misconduct, It can be appealed to the Citizens Review board and that board has the authority under the ordinance to be able to look at cases and make a decision on whether the chief aired in his or her decision concerning those cases. That is my experience, that is I think a bit different than what this board is, my understanding of this board and certainly you can correct me if I'm wrong is really to look at policy and to make recommendations to the Chief into the City Manager um concerning police policy. I think that's an opportunity and indeed that is the role of the advisory board. That is an opportunity I think for us to collaborate, to be able to talk through some of our policies and say well for your board to get a better understanding of why the policy is the way it is from a police perspective. Also, then I can get a perspective from a citizen perspective and then we can meet somewhere in the middle if we disagree on a point or two concerning the policy. So in my limited role, um Madam Chair, that's about all that I really know, feel free to educate me more if there are greater responsibilities of the advisory board, I'm open to hearing. I was really hoping on this meeting that I would get an intro that I would be able to meet virtually all the members and that I would get a little bit more about your role and what you're doing is a new board. Thank you, thank you chief and we and we will do that and we will start now if anything else. Um we'll start with, I'm Sheila Alamein Kasogi, I am the chair and I am the community advocate and so um basically um I'm here by the community um jail you want to um speak and we're gonna keep going well, I'm Gerald Tokyo, I am former Chief Deck Brown's appointment to the board and then my my whole career was spent with Raleigh and at her request uh I was appointed to the board on his creation. Nice to meet you sure. Mr johnny Mr johnny unmoving myself. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Good evening board First Chief uh model chair. My name is Danny thomas, I'm a certified peer. I'm a public advocate. Um How much starts believer in this board and everything that is trying to accomplish and I'm looking forward to doing everything that I can without reaching the community to help your transition chief to be easy and and to get things done and anything I can do with a corn or anybody uh feel free to let me know because I'm in the community, a lot of my time spent that you ended it. Yes sir. Thank you Mr thomas. I appreciate that jeremy. Hi chief patterson. My name is jeremy Roca and I am the LGBT member on the board. I just wanna say welcome you honor us, you honor the people of Raleigh with your presence and as I told you your installation, I pray for you as your brother in faith. I want you to succeed. So um I have so much questions for you but please know it comes from a good space um and so I'm here to help make our city better. So thank you madam Chair, thank you jeremy so much. Thank you then and I appreciate your prayers. We need prayer mr time. Good evening, thank you madam Chair madam. Vice Chair Chief patterson. My name is Ty Harold. We actually, before I get into any overview about myself, we actually had the pleasure of where I had the pleasure of being introduced to you and meeting you um through our Longview neighborhood association meeting that took place last week and I have pinned a little message to you, basically saying thank you for your time um and your commitment to the citizen's rally in for presenting to the neighborhood association. So let me echo many of those similar thoughts from previously. Thank you again for your time and being with us tonight. I'm a former state representative and lifelong rally. I um I am so excited about being on the board and what the potential for the relationship between the community and the police department. The Raleigh police department can ultimately become. I know there's a long way to go a lot of details to be ironed out on the inside. But I'm looking forward to hearing more from you and hearing the and hearing more from the community so that we can have a tighter integration and integral aspect of where we need to be as a as a as a dynamic city. So thank you. Yes, thank you Mr Terrell appreciate that. It's great to see you again Deontay, Good evening chief. I'm Deontay thomas the now the attorney uh partner on this board. Been here since the exception but inception but I moved up from an alternate member to the position of human now. And I am the chief public defender. Wake County. Mhm. Nice to meet you sir. Nice to meet you dr sending. Good evening. I'm Cindy coddle on the mental health appointee appointed relatively recently. Uh I am a clinical psychologist by training and I have spent my entire career working with individuals who have mental illness who have been accused of crimes or crimes and I have also worked with various law enforcement agencies conducting evaluations and pre employment screenings and things like that. Mr Thank you And last night least Miss Genevieve Sims. Thank you, Madam Chair. Welcome Chief Patterson. We look forward to working with you. I am an attorney by training and as on this board I am an at large member. Yes ma'am. Nice meeting you and we have to city employees. Travis. Yes ma'am. My name is Travis McCullum. I've worked with the Department of Equity and Inclusion. I actually service the liaison for the Fair Housing Hearing Board and the Human Relations Commission. But I always love to be a part of police advisories work just because they are human relations issues. So happy to be here. In pleasure to meet you. Nice meeting you love the hairs. Love the hair. The Matrix. Um Good evening chief. My name is demetrius Edwards I to work for the Department of Equity inclusion. I'm one of the leaders and department. Um Currently I am the staff liaison for the police advisory board and also the mayor's community for persons with disability. Um So we'll be working closely together anything I can help too make the transition smoothly and information anything like that I can be aware of. So thank you for being here. Thank you. Nice to meet you as well. And we also have um David Bland who's out. Um And we also have Greer Web. He's the youngest one. Well yeah he's the youngest one on our board. He's at U. N. C. He had an event there at U. N. C. He's out and Sean ingram which also worked with you. Um So Sean is not here as well so those three are out for two for tonight. I'm just gonna brief um We ask any of the members have any questions, brief questions for the cheap. Please speak. Mr Mr thomas. Yeah jail Mr thomas. I can't hear you A mute, mute it again. Uh Yes yes. Can you hear me now? I think Gerald answered the question I had asked about the officer on the on the acorns. Did he respond in uh with a uniform or did he go as a plain clothes? So Mr jailed explained that you uh that you don't do that because my reason question that is that as somebody in the community and somebody suffer from mental illness and somebody who also watches it. I know how people respond to your uniform and it's much more different than how we're going to respond to somebody who actually walks up and says hey listen we're trying to help you. I do understand, you know, he has to have protection. Our figured he would be in plain clothes with his with the badge, maybe to have that instead of come up there like what you're wearing right now which would probably put up a wall outside of. I've been approached by officers with what I'm wearing but I know there was an officer because of the gun and the badge maybe to have. I was just wondering is that going to be something you look into as time progresses on? Yeah. So that's a great question and thank you Gerald for clarifying that. Um I did not indicate that. And when I was talking to you. So yes, he's absolutely right. The officers and the acorns, they wear plain clothes. Um they were civilian clothes. Um They do have a uniform per se, just so that they are identifiable when they go out and do education campaigns. So you if you see them on tv and in the media they will have a collard shirt on a polo shirt that says acorns and then just with some slacks with it. Um, and the officers will be armed because they are police officers, but typically when they're out in interacting and engaging with customers and individuals, they would just be in plain clothes. Just regular clothes that you, you know, street clothes that you see them because you're absolutely right. The uniform is a deterrent and we want the individuals that we deal with to feel comfortable to be able to open up and to talk to the officers that we can get them the resources they need. So, um, we feel that the best means to do that is in plain clothes rather than a uniform. Thank you chief. Um Deontay, yes, ma'am, once again, thank you for your time chief. Uh, question that I had and it kind of dubbed health will would be just said. Um if we have a situation where Acorns is called and the social worker is the one making the approach ostensibly to get this person services and help them through their crisis. Um, but then this situation of bombs, paul's Winston is charged with a crime. How do we reconcile that with this person being a city of Raleigh police officer for all intents and purposes and going there initially to give this person services, but then being made a witness or even the victim, Hopefully not but a witness to this and being a part of the state and possible further prostitution of that. And you can answer that in regards to, um, the ways that you've seen this done these kind of programs work before. Uh, it's just a new program to us. So I don't know how other, uh, municipalities and cities have handled that kind of issue. Right? So, I mean, just to be clear again, the social workers are not police officers, they're not armed, they are civilian personnel. And so they don't have any authority that what a police officer would have. Um, if there's a situation that is volatile, that may end up being volatile than a police officer is a police officer. And that's why we have the officers paired with the social workers, they would, they would take action as a police officer or call a uniform officer to the scene. If it's something violent, um, that is occurring. Um, we, we, there is no expectation ever that if it starts to become a hot scene, like I was saying that the social worker has to stay in, that they certainly can retreat. We will make sure our officers that are with him will make sure that they're going to be safe at all times. Um, we know though that realistically speaking, it may start off calm and then it may escalate into something else. Um, the officer is trained in how to handle that situation and that would be to get the social worker out of there, get the proper resources there and then mitigate that Andy escalated as best they can and that's how we have seen it. Um, in charlotte, it was the same setup, um, with that, the officers would go in and in charlotte the uniform, they just didn't do plain clothes all the time, they did a uniform, The police officers had a uniform that kind of, that you would recognize that they were police officer, they were bulletproof vest. Um, it didn't look like what I'm wearing specifically. It was a polo shirt, but they had a bulletproof vest, they had all their gear around their belt and they had like a btu type pants that they would wear and again, that was, you know, for officer safety because at the end of the day, if the situation does escalate, they have to react, we have a legal obligation to handle that situation. So I hope that answers your question and and one more thing I want to emphasize again, if I haven't already is that If there is a call for service, like if there's a call 911 call goes out right now where somebody is in crisis. We're not sending acorns to that. They are not equipped to go on those hot calls. We would send our officers there to try to de escalate the situation. But then on the back end is then when Acorns would do a follow up with the intervention to get resources to that individual. Once the situation is stabilized, I gave you the example of the office of the barricaded subject. But again the Acorns team did not go to that front door and try to talk to that individual, they try to communicate with him by phone and when he refused to talk to them then they had to go a different route. I hope that answered your question. Mr thomas I'm sure I'll have more questions but I'll let somebody else have some time. Thank you very much. Yes sir. Mr thomas. Uh Yes now the question that I had was when the original officer responded the person that was barricaded where they charged before a corn. Now you said a corn comes on the back end and I totally understand, understand that right there. Um but when they respond to a crisis um once the cuffs go on whatever happened that created the crisis just got escalated as far as that individual. So how, how are you handling that part of it? And do you, do you personally go back and look at the, the video of what happened to see how the officer handled that? Like, you know, did they, could they have done something to two de escalated a little bit more because I know these officers a lot of time to go in there, they have to go in there with their prepared for anything and I've watched a few times situation or maybe somebody before common head or maybe a little bit more talking was done or even if a therapist was there, they might or not. I mean, do you understand what I'm saying? Once officers there in the uniform, you already have a situation, you already figured the person is going to go to jail then you said you referring to a core, but then the person has been tough to put in a squad car. So how does that actually unfold as far as them getting charged with some? Yes, So I, I think I understand what you're saying. So in that initial interaction or an arrest is made. So we have to make an arrest. So that person would be transported to jail and processed. If there has to be an involuntary commitment order sought then on the back and Acorns would help Acorns is not going to come out at the time when they are being arrested um necessarily. Um And in fact I don't know of any instance where Acorns have had to make an arrest of anyone. Um That would be the role of the uniform officer or additional officers coming now on the back end. Once the arrest is made if there are some referral services that is needed the officer can then refer make a referral to Acorns and then once that person is released from jail or I. V. C. Papers have been served and that person goes to treatment and they are released from that treatment then Acorns would make contact with them and see what other resources they may need. Um If it's housing we try to work with some of our partners on that. If it's substance abuse where they have to go to treatment we help we're getting them there. We helped put in touch with other resources that they may need. So again Acorns is not doing the enforcement if you will they're not doing the law enforcement aspect of it there on the back end as a referral service. Um Jeremy thank you madam. Chair Chief patterson. Um Before I share this I want to preface and say that this conversation may be triggering for those in our border. Even listening since this is a it's mental health and we know a friend a family member or someone close to our hearts that can be on that receiving end of the of this discussion so that just went to press is that um the question that I have is does does it have to be housed with R. P. D. Um And I asked that not I really do this. Those are those are those are outreach to those who are going through anything have to go through our P. D. And the R. R. P. D. Want that burden on themselves. Um I mean I have 9-11 taught us that we have brave people willing to run into a building. Um so as I say that I'm saying that I can hold both tension to say there. They can. Yeah and so that's my question and I think For example I live across from more square. So if I call 911 can we have like a 919 number? That's like a a community outreach number. It's just it doesn't seem to make sense humbly. I respectfully it doesn't seem to make sense to me and Well I'm only 30 so it doesn't have to make sense to me. But um and also that form that we ask people to sign. Um I think hippo rights should be protected whether people have Are going through an app. I mean it's been a hard hard 19 months for all of us. So whoever is going to be receiving those calls I don't know I'm just maybe we can have these discussions off the camera chief I'm open to. I mean yes and I understand what you're saying, jeremy. But let me, let me make this one point that I think is critical for police. So I come from a community policing background. I believe that we need the community to help us to solve the problems that we're dealing with in our society, the police, we cannot do it by ourselves. And I fully believe that the police should be embedded in the community and that we should seek partnerships that are healthy and strong. I think that Acorns is a strong partnership because the police does deal with people who are mental crisis. We deal with people who have mental illness and I don't think that you could ever separate. The two were that initial call that people are going to make through 911. Now, are there models out there where the police do not respond to those kind of calls and don't handle those kind of calls? Like the cahoots model on the West Coast in the Midwest. Um, that is a model that does work, but also to when you look behind, you know, you do the research behind that, you find that the police are still the ones responding when there is a crisis. So in doing that, I think it's better that we're prepared for that, that we have units that know how to handle that, that we have personnel that are trained and then we can do backup and referrals on the back end as well. I think we miss something when we take the police out of the equation and we've heard it time and time again. You know Police are not totally trained to handle these kind of situations and I'm inclined to agree with that from a clinical perspective, from a psychological perspective. Uh I understand that point of view but still at the end of the day it's the call is made to 911. So it's in my interest has achieved to make sure that my people, my personnel are trained to some level and how to deal with that situation so that we can have a favorable outcome rather than negative outcome and whatever those resources are to do that then I'm willing to make those commitments to that And for us Acorns is one of those resources. Yes ma'am. I respect your, I respect where you're coming from. Anyone else has any more questions for the chief. Okay, Cindy that was okay. So um thank you chief again, I appreciate your wanting to collaborate with this board And I think that um I think that that will be very helpful moving forward. I have a question you had mentioned about partnering with other organizations and I was wondering a little bit more about that in terms of which organizations that you guys are partnering with and kind of what what's the nature of that and Cindy, you know that is a great question and I don't have my list, we have a whole list that our police authority handed to me to say these are some of the partners that we're looking to um work with. I don't have that list with me. I am so sorry, but I can follow up with you to give you some of those resources um and being new to Raleigh and I'm just not familiar um with a lot of them, but I certainly can follow up with you on that. Um And I'll tell you too, I have been visiting, going to different community groups and meetings and various things and as I am out and about, I'm getting cards for advocacy groups, for resources, those who do meals on wheels and various things. I said thank you for this card. I'm going to give this to our Acorns unit because that's another resource that will be available to um to help those who are in need. So I just don't have that list with me. And I'm sorry that I don't have that well and certainly anything that we can do to as a board to serve as a resource as well. Um I know that this is something that we all feel pretty um strong about in terms of helping individuals with mental illness. I do have one other question in terms of helping your officers who work on the acorns unit on that and after they've been involved in good unit patient or support services. Uh The officers there would have I think you broke up a little bit, I don't know if it's on my and you're in but that second part you're asking about the officers maybe what services are for them. Uh Yes. Support services for officers who have been working on help them deal with the ongoing strained and you know, some of the things that jeremy was talking about earlier after time, over time they might need some of that, you know support services or re education. And I was just wondering about that kind of thing for them. Yes. So again another kudos to Chief Deck Brown um and previous chiefs that have put some things in place for the organization which is great one. We have a on call and on staff psychologist who is available to do debriefs and to talk to officers because our officers are dealing with a lot of trauma right? And as an organization I want to make sure that we are trauma informed and we have those services for them. So we have a psychologist on staff for that purpose. But also too we are making investments in our wellness program to be able to provide additional resources. I mean at the end of day we always have the ap services that officers can rely on. But I want more than that. I want to make sure that our officers are whole, you know mentally emotionally financially. Um if any are dealing with PTSD. So we're looking actively looking but whatever other services are available for those officers for that. But right now we do have our in house psychologists. Gerald. Right. Yes, chief. Um Some of the board members, they have some concern about maybe some possible conflict of interests between social workers and the law enforcement function. And you've cleared uh answered some of the questions on defining the rules and how that each will be responding under given situations. Um Has the has there been a finalized finalization of the job descriptions of the rules as far as the social worker and the officers who are assigned to Acorns? Uh I imagine they'll be slightly different for the officers down on regular patrol officer. Job description w