Kentucky grand jury: Former officer's actions showed 'extreme indifference to human life'
Former LMPD Det. Brett Hankison was indicted on three counts of first-degree wanton endangerment in connection to the deadly raid on Breonna Taylor's apartment.
through that office. And so I will begin the report of the Jefferson County Grand jury in the matter of Commonwealth of Kentucky versus Brett Hankerson, the Jefferson County grand jury charges as follows. Count one. Wanton endangerment in the first degree on or about March 13th 2020 and Jefferson County, Kentucky. Theobald named defendant Brett Hankerson, committed the offenses of wanton endangerment in the first degree when, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he wanted Lee shot a gun. A gun. Excuse me into the apartment occupied by initials. C E Count two Government in the first degree on or about March 13th, 2020. And Jeffrey Brett Hankerson committed the offenses of wanton endangerment in the first degree when, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he wanted Lee shot a gun into the apartment occupied by initials. C n count. Three. Want an endangerment in the first degree? On or about March 13th 2020. The Jefferson County in Jefferson County, Kentucky Theobald named defendant Brett Hankerson committed the offenses of wanton endangerment in the first degree when, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life, he wanted Lee shot a gun into an apartment occupied by initials Z F against the peace and dignity of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Mr. Four Person, Is that the decision of the grand jury? Thank you, sir. If you would please randomly select a number. Uh huh. Thank you, sir. Case will then be aside to Jefferson, The court division 13. Madam Assistant Attorney General, Do you have a motion with respect to Bond, Your honor, Assistant Attorney general asked for 15,000 full cash bond for the defendant. Hankinson. I will grant the motion and a sign bond in the amount of $15,000 Full cash. An issue. A warrant that concludes the business of the grand jury sitting for Jefferson County in September. 2020. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. You may be excused. I'm going off the record. Yeah. Oh, okay. We have been listening to the Jefferson County proceedings as announced by the local judge there, and it would appear a single officer for mhm. Ah, good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today. I know that many and of Louisville and across the Commonwealth income anxiously awaiting the completion of our investigation into the with her. The results from the grand jury. Many of you in this room know that I had the opportunity last month to meet in person with her in other members of Miss Taylor's family, including Miss Bianca Austin and Miss Janita Palmer. I wanna once again publicly express my condolences. Every day this family wakes up to the realization that someone they loved is no longer with them. There's nothing I can offer today toe. Take away the grief and heartache this family is experiencing as a result of losing a child, a niece, a sister and a friend. What I can provide today, which might worked long and hard to uncover in mid May, I urge everyone listening today to not lose sight of the fact that a life has been lost, a tragedy under any circumstances. The decision before my office as the special prosecutor in this case was not to decide if the loss of Miss Taylor's life was a tragedy. The answer to that question is unequivocally, yes, there is no doubt that this is a gut wrenching emotional case, and the pain that many people are feeling is understandable. I deeply care about the value and sanctity of human life, it deserves protection. And in this case, a human life was lost. We cannot forget that my job is. The special prosecutor in this case was to put emotions decide and investigate the fax to determine if criminal violations of state law resulted killer's life. Could it expect morning hours of March 13th? In working with our federal partners on this case, it was determined that while we would share information to advance our respective investigations, we must also maintain some level of separation to ensure the integrity of each investigation. When examining issues regarding potential civil rights violations, we determined that any such violation are better addressed through a federal led investigation. Who's involving concerning the shooting are better addressed by a state led investigation with this in mind on March 13th. In the months since taking this case, a dedicated team of prosecutors and investigators with more than 200 years of combined career experience conducted a thorough investigation to better understand the events that led to Miss Taylor's death. The team is here with me today and want to personally and publicly think them for their tireless work. These men and women are true public servants who for months have shown up every day with a desire for one thing, and that is to seek the truth. We decided while we would examine materials gathered by Ellen PDs public and finding the truth, there was no video or body camera footage of the officers attempted execution of a search warrant. Miss Taylor's residents. Video footage begins at the point that area patrol officers arrive at the location. Therefore, the sequence of events from March 13th had to be pieced together through ballistics evidence. 911 calls police, radio, traffic and interviews. We utilized information from the Kentucky State Police. Local medical examiners as well is working with the FBI crime lab in Quantico to secure a trajectory analysis and ballistics report. Our team conducted interviews in this case and spent thousands of hours examining all of the available evidence. We concluded our last interview, this case this past a great on Monday. Asl Ong. As the case is making its way through our legal system, I can only speak in general terms about our independent investigation and findings. As the prosecutor, I'm prohibited by the Kentucky rules of professional conduct from making public comments that could in any way prejudice this case as it moves forward. Each state has different rules about what prosecutors can and cannot say. The Kentucky rules are clear that I'm prohibited from making comments that could sway public opinion or heightened public combination off those involved in the case. These air crucial rules to ensure due process under the Constitution. When prosecutors prematurely release information about the case to the public, you can risk justice by poisoning the jury pool, violating the accused rights to a fair trial of our legal system. It's predicated on the principle that the accused is innocent until proven guilty. Despite passions, opinions, desire for every detail to be known, the rule of law must apply. Justice must be done. In the early morning hours of March 13 officers from L. M P D executed a search warrant at three. He's really Apartment four. This was Miss Briana Taylor's residents. The officers were advised by superiors to knock and announce their presence in serving this specific search warrant. The scope of our investigation did not include the attainment of that warrant by L Impedes Criminal interdiction division. Federal law enforcement partners are conducting that investigation, Sergeant Mattingly and detectives Cosgrove and Hankinson had no known involvement in the called into duty as extra personnel to effectuate the service of the search warrant. They only had information conveyed to them during their prior briefing. Evidence shows that officers both knocked and announced their presence at the apartment. The officers statements about their announcement are corroborated by an independent witness who was near in a proximity to Apartment four. In other words, the warrant was not served as a no knock warrant. When officers were unable to get anyone to answer or open the door to Apartment four, Decision was made to breach the door. After reaching the door, Sergeant Mattingly was the and on Lee officer to enter the residents. Sergeant Mattingly identified two individuals standing beside one another at the end of the hall, a male and a female. In his statement, he says that the mail was holding a gun, arms extended in a shooting stance. Sergeant Mattingly saw the man's gun fire, heard a boom and immediately knew he was shot as a result of feeling heat in his upper thigh. Kenneth Walker fired the shot that hit Sergeant Mattingly, and there's no evidence to support that Sergeant Mattingly was hit by friendly fire from other officers. Mr. Walker admitted that he fired one shot. It was the first to shoot. In addition to all the testimony, the ballistics report shows that the round that struck Sergeant Mattingly was fired from a nine millimeter handgun. The L MPD officers fired 40 caliber handguns. Sergeant Mattingly returned fire down the hallway. Mattingly fired six shots. Almost simultaneously. Detective Cause grow also in the doorway. Matter of seconds. In total, six bullets struck. Miss Taylor. Medical evidence obtained by our team indicates that Onley one shot was fatal. Further medical evidence shows that Miss Taylor would have died from the fatal shot within a few seconds to two minutes after being struck, Detective Hankinson fired his weapon 10 times, including from a outside sliding glass door and through a bedroom window. Some books traveled through Apartment four and into a party before some apartment. At the time, three residents of Apartment three were at home, including a male. It's hi, which of the three officers fired the fatal shot analysis to see if they reached the same results. The FBI ballistics analysis concluded the fatal shot was fired. Cosgrove often looked at both reports to determine if there were major differences in the procedures used by each lab. That would have led the FBI to identify who fired the fatal shot. Both is highly respected for their work. There was nothing our investigators could point to nor anything provided by the respective agencies that directly explains why one lab made the call while another did not. I think it is worth repeating again that our investigation found that Mattingly and Cosgrove we're justified in their use of force after having been fired upon by Kenneth Walker. Secondary to this justification, the K SP and FBI ballistics analysis reach different conclusions, creating a reasonable doubt in the evidence about who fired the fatal shot. I certainly understand the public's desire for answers. Many have questioned the length of the investigation. Simply put, we had to try every means necessary to determine who fired the fatal sharp before the investigation could, with a third all evidence collected in this case, lawyers with our Office of Special Prosecutions presented the findings of our independent investigation before a grand jury comprised of Jefferson County residents beginning on Monday and concluding today in Fletcher v. Graham, Kentucky Supreme Court said that the grand jury has competing but balanced functions. On the one hand, its purpose is to investigate allegations of criminal conduct and determine if there is probable cause to believe that a crime grand jury serves to protect the public against unfounded criminal prosecutions. What probable cause is lacking? The grand jury is unique in our criminal justice system because it operates independent of the court and the prosecutor. The hallmark of the grand jury is its independence from outside influence. This independence is necessary to ensure that justice is done both for the victims and for the accused. The evidence from our team. There's the grand jury, the three individuals in Apartment three in danger of serious physical injury or death. The Charge one endangerment in the first degree is a class defense. And if Kentucky Law states that a person is guilty of wanton endangerment in the first degree, when under circumstances manifesting in strength, difference to the value of human life he want, Lee engages in conduct which creates a substantial danger of death or serious physical injury to another person. My office is prepared to prove these charges at trial, however, it's important to note that he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. During the last six months, we've all heard mention of possible charges that could be brought in this case. It's important to understand that all the charges that have been mentioned have specific meanings and ramifications. Criminal homicide encompasses the the homicide charges under Kentucky law, thes charges air not applicable to the facts before us because our investigations show and the grand jury agreed that Mattingly and Cosgrove were justified in the return of deadly fire after having been fired upon by Kenneth Walker. Let me state that again. According to Kentucky law, use of force by Mattingly and Cosgrove was justified to protect themselves. This justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges in Miss Briana Taylor's death. The truth is now before us, the facts have been examined, and a grand jury comprised of our peers and fellow citizens has made a decision. Justice is often easy, does not fit the mold of public opinion, and it does not conform to shifting standards. It answers only to the fax into the law. With this in mind, now ask ourselves where do we go from here? We continue to prosecute charges brought. Wow, that is our responsibility. This will be done while the FBI continues its investigation into violations. Potential violations of federal law. I know that not everyone will be satisfied. Largest we've reported today my team set out to investigate the circumstances surrounding Miss Taylor's death. We did it with Go it Ruth. Kentucky is deserve no less. Whoa past. Every person has an idea of what they think. Justices, I roll. The special prosecutor in this case is a set aside everything in pursuit of the truth. My job is to present the fax to the grand jury and the grand jury that applies those fax to the law. If we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice. It just becomes revenge. And in our system of criminal justice isn't the quest for revenge. It's the quest for truth. Evidence. Hey, says what kind of society we want to be. Do we really want the truth, or do we want a truth that fits our narrative? Do we want the fax? Are we content to blindly accept our own version of events? We as a community must make this decision. I understand that Miss Briana Taylor's death has become a part of a national story and conversation, but we must also remember the fax and the collection of evidence in this case are different than cases elsewhere in the country. Each is unique and cannot be compared. There will be celebrities, influencers and activists who having but in Kentucky, plus how to feel suggesting they understand the facts of this case that they know our community and the Commonwealth better than we do. But they don't let's not give in to their attempts to influence our thinking or capture our emotions. At the end of the day, it is up to us. We live here together. We work here and raise our families here together. I urge those protesting on the streets to remember this peaceful protests are You're right as an American citizen. Instigating violence and destruction are not. I've spoken with both Mayor Fisher and Governor Bashir's in the days leading up to this announcement, and I urge them to do what is necessary to maintain law and order and to protect our cities, face the criminal system and as we address the pain well, a constituent. I'm announcing that I will create a task force to review the process process for securing, reviewing and executing search warrants. In Kentucky, the task force will consist of a variety of stakeholders, including citizens, members from the law enforcement community, representatives from the judiciary, defense attorneys and elected leaders. I'll be your chewing, I think, a top to bottom review of the search warrant process. Very changes are required and establish best practices. You have my word that I will also vigorously prosecute the criminal charges announced today. I can assure you that my team of prosecutors will continue to give this case their attention and time, who also can continue to support the good men and women of our law enforcement community who put their lives on the line every day to protect and to serve. And I will fight for those across our state who feel like their voice isn't heard, who feel marginalized, just path that moves the commonwealth forward and toward healing. You have that choice as well. Let's make it together, Thank you and God bless I'll Now take some question. I won't get into the specifics of the makeup of the grand jury. She really more 51 based on the evidence. Um, there's nothing conclusive to say. Uh, that Detective Hankinson any of his bullets, um, hit Miss Taylor? Yes, sir. Grand jury down, correct. Respond to a tragedy. And I fully acknowledge that many response eyes that the grand jury was given all of the evidence presented all of the information and ultimately ultimately made the determination. Uh, that, uh, Detective Hankinson was the one to be indicted. Grand jury proceedings are secret. And so I'm not gonna get into the specifics of details about that proceeding. What I will say, eyes that we presented all of the information and they ultimately made a determination about whether to charge in this instance, they decided to indict. Uh, Detective Hankinson. You don't question. I'm sorry. Say that again. Special prosecutor in this case to provide the information and facts to the grand jury. Uh, Detective Cosgrove and Sergeant Mattingly were justified in returning fire because they were fired upon. I'll leave it to others to make determinations. We have vigorous self defense laws in the state. Ondo, That is something that existed prior to this case. How Let others make judgments about that. Yes, sir. One big question surrounding this case is whether or not the officers not and announced their presence. Talk about the evidence that you came to that they did announce their presence. Yes. Um, the statements that were made by officers there the night, uh, 13th. They did knock and announce three important point here is that information was corroborated by another witness who was in close proximity to apartment for who corroborated that information. Aun said that there was a knocking and announcing by the officers the witness was a civilian. If while there ball work during, well, Chris, to your question, important to step back and recognize that what we did was uncovered all the information and facts related to the morning of March 13th and then provided that information to the grand jury, the grand jury had every, uh was that the decision needed to be made to indict Mr Hankinson. Mr. Cameron, Mr. Cameron Rukmini Callimachi Within York Times for you, Number one. You said that she was shot six times, yet her death certificate says five. Can you please explain the discrepancy? And the second thing is, journalists in this room myself included have taken apart that apartment complex looking for witnesses to the point that you made about the knocking and announcing off a dozen witnesses that I spoke. Thio, Onley one a man who was directly upstairs, heard them announce. Do you think that's enough? In the middle of the night when somebody is asleep for for just one person in a in a tight knit apartment block to have heard that. Is that a sufficient way of announcing? Well, let me try to answer your second question first. Uh, yeah, and was it is a I think the more pertinent question is what was the evidence provided to the grand jury? What was sufficient for their purposes? Uh, they got to hear and listen to all the testimony made the determination that Detective Hankinson was the one that indicted, Knowing all of the relative points that you made, uh, as to your first question, um, can you repeat it one more time? Death certificate, death certificates? Uh, on. Yet You are saying six. Today is the first time I'm hearing six. So, uh, there is a, um A bullet that was lodged on bullet might be too generous a term. There was an an object that was lodged into what is being referred to as the sixth. Ah, I guess. Projectile, are you going to release the full? Are you going to release the full grand jury report? Can you say that one more time? Are you going to release the full grand jury report? Well, I am right now is a pending indictment. I think it is our practice. And because there is an ongoing FBI investigation, uh, to revisit that question. But at this point, I don't think it's appropriate for us to release any information work green. Well, that is shows is that there was nothing conclusive, uh, to demonstrate that any of his bullets I hate it. Well again. Endangerment was the charge to file to indict against Mr Hankinson. Okay. Thank you. Yes, we do. Well said I'm sorry. Well, your last question about providing information, uh, in any investigation. Criminal investigation. The best practice on this is whether on state or federal level eyes to not make too many comments about the investigation because you do not want to compromise that investigation. There are also ethical considerations, as in as investigators and prosecutors responsible to abide by their obligations continue now, because we have a responsibility to pursue the prosecution against Detective Hankinson. Uh, it is It's my judgment very early on that we needed to take this case in the attorney General's office. Aziz, you know, uh, the Commonwealth's attorney was conflicted out of this case because of a another matter that he was pursuing. I could have formed the case out to another Commonwealth's attorney in one of our 120 counties. Instead, I did not do that because the resource is that we have to bring the bear and the relationships that we here and the relationships that we have with our federal partners, in my judgment were needed to uncover the truth. In this case, job of looking at all the facts and gathering all the materials, interviewing witnesses, making sure that all of our people felt confident in their presentation to the grand jury, I will remind you a za late as Friday we were still interviewing people in this case. And so the length of it is because this case deserve thorough and fair analysis. Uh, that was needed. Um um and by her family. Ah, for the officers involved for the community of Louisville and for the Commonwealth. We needed investigation. We all the FBI involved in terms of the ballistics report. We needed additional, uh, there, uh, ability to scrutinize and make an independent assessment as well. And so the length of the investigation was a reflection. I hope people understand of how important it was that we got this right. We didn't want to rush it, and we did not. And I'm grateful to the team that is behind me for the work that they did look over 200 years of combined experience. These air prosecute actions, sure about influence in any particular regard. What they care about is the truth. And we presented that to the grand jury. Sir, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was I won't get into what our private conversation was. Yes, ma'am. Yes. Um, what do you say to people who say that specifically do you plan to do toe calm a community that's long been hurting? And do you understand that anger that people might feel? I certainly understand the pain. Um, that has been brought about by the tragic loss of Miss Taylor. I understand that as a attorney general who is responsible for all 120 counties in terms of being the chief legal officer, the chief law enforcement officer, I understand that I understand that is a black man, how painful this is. And and I know look at this team myself. The members of the representatives of the attorney general's office have taken a lot of criticism and scrutiny, but that scrutiny in many ways was misplaced because there was not a day the people in this office didn't go to sleep thinking about this case. And it wasn't a day where the first thing on our minds is getting to the truth. In this case, and obviously again, criminal law is not meant to respond to every sorrow and grief on that is that is true here. But my heart breaks for the loss of Miss Taylor. Andi, I've said that repeatedly, my mother, if something was to happen to me, uh, would find it very hard. And I've seen that pain on this Palmer's face. I've seen that pain in the community and what our responsibility in the A. G s office was to make sure that we uncovered every fact that we utilized every resource that we could bring to bear to uncover the facts and the truth. And that's ultimately what we presented to the grand jury on the question of what I'm going to do. Um, Unity be a constructive member of any conversations moving forward. I recognize, um, in my remarks, I mentioned the fact that will be establishing a task force in the coming days ahead to look at best practices for warrants. So there is a lot that I could do in this platform, um, to help. Okay, sir, this Maria Sacchetti with the Washington Post just had a couple of quick questions here. Your voice. Okay. Sorry. Back. Um, just wanted to double check the day. And do you anticipate any other charges in E? I apologize. Could you say that a little louder? I think I got sure. Uh, did the grand jury ever consider manslaughter or reckless homicide or those kinds of charges on def Not. Please explain why. And do you anticipate any other charges or are we eyes? This it? I won't get into the specifics again of the proceedings themselves are secret, but what I will say is that, uh, our team walks them through every, uh, homicide offense on Also presented all of the information. Ah, that was available. Uh, two grand jury. And then the grand jury was ultimately the one that made the decision about indicting. Yeah. Detective Hankinson for wanton endangerment. I think that of what happened the wee hours of March 13th in terms of that particular or specific date. And what happened that night in the apartment? I think it's it is unlikely that there will be any additional project. Attorney General S O. Can you Can you go into the confusion over the fatal shot that was fired on by kind of what the issue was there in terms of determining that? And then also did you present to the grand jury with any charges against, uh, Mattingly in Costco? Uh, well, so as to your first question, what I think you asked about was, um, the fatal shot. Yes. Three reports that were provided to us by the Kentucky is really so initially we got the report from Kentucky State Police, and it was inconclusive about making the determination into that fatal shot. And so again, with the relationships that we have, uh, with our federal law enforcement community and namely the FBI, I thought it imperative that we utilize that resource. And so they undertook an independent analysis and review of, uh, and conducted, uh, provided a ballistics report. There is nothing that this team was able to glean, suggesting that there was an objective reason for why, uh, FBI was able to conclusively or definitively state that Mr Cosgrove fired the fatal shot both again K S p their lab. Well regarded, well respected FBI, equally regarded and respected. Um, that said, there's something in terms off providing that information to the grand jury and providing that at any subsequent prosecution. And so it was from our judgment, important to provide both of those to the grand jury on then ultimately make let them make a determination about what to do with that information. Were they presented with charges for Mattingly or I'm sorry, adding where they presented with any charges for Mattingly or what I will say is that they were walked through all the homicide offenses on with that information and the information and facts that were provided to them that we uncovered in our investigation. They made the determination. The detective Hankinson was the one that needed to be. Um So what I will say is there's obviously I don't want to get into the proceedings related to Mr Walker. That's a separate, so I'm not gonna have it. Any comment on that? This team behind me presented to the grand jury. Uh, and your other question was about the racial makeup of Well, im black on. I speak for the entire department on. I hope that will satisfy that question. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry, America. I know that. You said the investigate months and it was grand jury Monday. Can you tell us when did the grand jury, actually, how long did they deliberate? Did they begin on Monday? Or they begin. And that was this week. Correct. Uh, the grand jury was presented with the information today. I won't get into the specifics of when they began their deliberations, but I will say that they started early Monday on concluded sometime, uh, before noon, Eso they heard everything they needed to hear way didn't withhold anything from them. And I hope that satisfies your question. General can you tell me a little bit more about this task force. You know, Senate President Steve ER's and Representative Scott are introducing warrant bills for the next legislative session. Are they ask force purchase, taking some of the information from the bills they pre file to work with on this? Well, I don't wanna put obviously the cart before I did mention, uh in the remarks that we're certainly going to have elected, uh, leaders on this task force. And I imagine that some of the policy questions in some of the policy proposals that have already been put forward and have entered into the public conversation will be a part of this task force. But I wanna make sure that people recognize that this task force is being established. Not too demonize anyone, side or anyone department or agency. I everything for the from time to time to be a part of a conversation. Ah, with all 120 county, that many counties about best practices that can be utilized. I had a recent conversation with somebody that said, There is always room for improvement. I think that's, uh, important in any industry important in any job And so, as part of my role as the attorney general, I certainly recognize their part. I have to play in making sure that all of our systems in government are improved upon whether it be because of a particular matter that occurred or because from time to time it's just the responsible thing to do. Did did any of the officers at did any of the office to testify or present evidence to the grand jury? And we're allowed to Well, um, relevant was provided to the grand jury for them to make their assessment? Yes, sir. When you look at the analysis of the path of the Bullets, how was it that Kenneth Walker, who fired the shot at the officers, was not hit and Briana Taylor was hit so many times? Well, that's that's part of the tragedy here and again. I don't want to get into the specifics, Um, but, ah, the fact that she was hit breaks my heart, and it breaks the collective heart of all the country. But I don't want to get because we have a and now a open prosecution. I don't want to get to into the details of the trajectories themselves to follow up questions. One. I understand that the names of grand jurors aren't released. But what rule or or standard prevents you from released number two? You've mentioned that Cosgrove fired the fatal shot. But could you clarify? Um, how many shots in all that hit Miss Taylor were fired by Mattingly? And how many shots that hit Miss Taylor were fired by cause growth? Well, as to the last question, Um uh, inconclusive in terms off. How many shots from each officer, we weren't able to identify with that level specificity. Um, as to the question about the makeup of the grand jury way might be able, I need to confirm on that front about Well, yeah, you know, they the fact that this is received so much scrutiny, I think it be inappropriate for me to share the information about the makeup of the grand jury, just can protect them, file or recommend that l m p d release it. Well, look, the role that we now have is to pursue the ongoing prosecution. Uh, gets Detective Hankinson on dso. I think it it would be irresponsible at this juncture, uh, for this office to release any sort of file again because we have this ongoing prosecution on I'm not going to comment on on. I think I certainly shouldn't be recommending again because of the ongoing prosecution. Any sort of recommendation. As relates toe release of a file, we're gonna have time for two more questions. Oh, Daniel. Okay, well, I certainly don't think our responsibility is the investigators or prosecutors. It's to find the truth. And so when folks from outside of the Commonwealth, uh, suggest or make their preferences or their opinions known, it should have no bearing on our role as prosecutor on his investigator in fact Finder. Even with folks within the Commonwealth again, this is a tragedy. I don't want Thio lose sight of that. But we do have a responsibility to look at the facts as they are on. We can't be in the business. I don't think we want a justice system that is in the business of fashioning fax or laws to a particular narrative. We have to be in the business of presenting the information to the grand jury and ultimately allowing them to make a decision about what to do subsequently. Yes, ma'am, Far in the back. I apology actually will take these last two here. Okay, so either one concert. Sorry. Thank you very much, sir. I wanted to ask if if you you know, if you believe personally that someone should have been charged with homicide or one of the similar charges in this case on. But if you could please walk us through what happened after the door in the door, How long did they wait before everything erupted? Um, so both of those questions, please. And thank you very much again. This is about what the grand jury decided. I One of the misconceptions out there is that Attorney General's Office was in the business of making charges. And that's just simply not the case. Under Kentucky law, our role is to present the information to the grand jury. We dispense with that responsibility. We did it after a protracted investigation that uncovered all of the that was our role. That was our responsibility on DWI. Presented everything to the grand jury for them toe ultimately making. They decided to indict Detective Hankinson as to your other question. About of what was provided to the grand jury. I can't get into the details or specifics on that particular issue? Yes, sir. In the beginning, you said that you spoke with Briana Taylor's family today. I know you can't tell us word for word what they said to you. But how was the news received? Well, it was a It was a hard meeting. Andi, I won't go any further. I won't elaborate. Um, but it was a difficult meeting. And look, you when I ran for this office, you know, I ran because I had some stuff is in mind on you Never know exactly what issues you'll be presented with, uh, in what challenges you'll be presented with. And today was one of those challenges. Toe Have thio sit in that room on provide the information, uh, to Palmer. To other members. It's been a difficult day. This is a difficult day for everyone. The report Mhm commonwealth, all of the country. I recognize that on, but I certainly recognize the responsibility that I have to help in the healing process. As I noted in my remarks, I hope those that they're home watching those that perhaps have ideas Mhm. I mean, by this decision, I hope we will respond in a manner that respect too many X. Our responsibility. A za Bible talks about loving our neighbors on that weaken. Do so keeping Briana Taylor's legacy in mind, but also in a way that respects our Louisville, our city, a city I live in that respects all of our community. So again, this is a hard day. I am no under no illusion that it is not. And all I can offer is that our office uncovered every fact that was relevant to the wee hours of the morning hours of March. 13th Way provided that information to the grand jury and you all. Now whether you're sitting here or whether you're at home, you know the results of that process, and now we have the responsibility to prosecute. That is, indictment Move forward in that matter. But all of us have a responsibility toe work together to find common ground, to find ways to love one another and just be good neighbors. And so that's what I implore as you all report on this in a responsible manner. That's what I am poor. Those that are watching on television is that we all have to responsibility of coming together. Now. I hope that you will take that charge seriously. Our governor likes to talk about Team Kentucky, and I believe him earnestly in that charge. And I hope that that extends to the results that were issued here today. Communities Thank you, and God bless.