House loosens gun restrictions
The House is set to debate more than 20 bills in the last day of the legislative session, including a measure that would loosen restrictions for concealed carry permit holders.
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Senate Finance Committee Substitute about 6 18 25th edition and growth 6 22 20 Stupid attacks Proposed conference committee 72 h 308 Bash piece Yes. 40697 br 12 Calvary's recommended Senate and the House represents their support conference. June 25th Morning screaming Wales Cheers when it was raping Sanderson. Jackson Humphries, with House representatives represent immigrated here, right Dale and Richard Calendar for today. Members were going to now take up the memorial resolution. House Resolution 12 31. Rep. Centers Candace Smith appears House resolution 12 31. House Life of members of Save Me Former members General since seven. Represent Smith was the lady. Wish for the resolution. Be read this entire corporate's resolution in this entire house. Resolution 12 31. House resolution on in her life in Memory of Seve Me Alvin locks you in your former member of the general, where saving average locks journey was born on every word. 1914. Man Our producer If you have a to Reverend Sydney, Every Lock Senior and Gloria Harris and where Sydney Locks Jr received a bachelor of arts religion in philosophy in 1971 from Wiley College. Now, while the university and Marshall for a minute story in 1975. From the interdenominational Theological Senator Morehouse School and where Sydney Lobster yourself this past Sandy. Grow back this church in Lumberton, North Commander from James Murray, 1975 to do something, and whereas in 1989 7 a luxury became pastor of a cornerstone missionary, researching grateful with a position from which he retired in May 2012. And where's more than two decades of pastor Cornerstone cinderblocks during you made churches mission to generate all of its income from time. So there the meat for special finery and to allow them to focus on their spiritual work and ray of since March 15th 1995 in The Locks Jr motor vehicle registration contract and Brits in 19 9 the church erected a 7000 square foot child development center to serve 150 Children and family. And where September 1990 after hurricane floor thrown became the regional and national distribution center disaster. And where's in 1999? Sydney Locks Jr was a co founder of Life, also known Air Strikes, a non profit organization, and Green. You have according training reentry to a those written entering community from area detention and raise. On 2014 you join my cabaret Free Will Baptist Church and for is your pastor and dean of education and where the president of Black Ministers, I was chair of the General at the state convention and where Cindy Locks Jr with founder and chief executive officer of non profit organization transforming Christian ministers incorporate with relation to reverse spiritually health. Oh, sure, despair and play community. Which healthy, live, healthy body of development ministries in eastern North Carolina. Donor Impact Assistant 1000 And we're Cindy Locks. You served with honor and distinction. Remember General Inseminated in the House of Representatives? Four terms between 1983 and 19 9 And whereas a member of the House of Represents Cindy life give a contribution compare, including serving this chair of the human resource is up. Comedian Age. Medicaid. So this service advice to House Appropriations Committee brakes faction but memories. And we're assuming it was one of original 16 members of Legislative Black Caucus, which was stabbed before and worry Cindy Luck Service, a member of the Roads Counter School Board chair of the Lumberton Human Relations Commission, a member of the advisory board. First like and a board member and where Cindy Locks Jr with Remember, several fraternal organization including Alfa five album for eternity, incorporate the Masons far right for turning great anyway, cinderblocks to then he was recognized on numerous occasions for his community, including being made one of the outstanding on me and in 1981 and Pick Count is 2000 and received the best iron humanitarian award to and where so relaxed epitome of public service and spiritually and always lived what he free and Where you Live died on May 29 2020. Age of 71 and we're simply lock extreme. You survived by his wife, 47 years, Karl and Lark. It's four Children. Cindy Fraser, Better Locks, Brown Jane. Six grandchildren. Kate Alexander, Sydney Cable Sydney Joy for you, Juliana. Trying. Hey! And they went Jamal, Reverend Shot and Mrs Now therefore be it. Result Houses Section one. The House Life of Sydney Album locks Pastor Remember around the house and Express Services rendered His congregation, community and state Section two have a representative deeper. Stepped to the family with me Box Last Love Section three Personal clerkships made a copy of the family of Sydney. Fiction for solution is effect. The lady from Pit represented Smith is recognized to speak to the resolution. Thank you, Mr Chair. As you can hear from everything that was red, I can't do justice to all the work that he's done, but I want to share a few things from myself. And I also got the perspective from a few individuals who live in the Green area. Representative Sidney A. Locks Jr He was a voice not to ignore. I met him is the past of Cornerstone Missionary Baptist Church in Greenville, North Helen. His reputation preceded him. I heard about his work and all that he's done. I was very intimidated when he gave me a phone call and said, We need to talk I got nervous so we had to have a one on one and what he wanted to talk about was me deciding. I wanted to come and work at the state level. We had already been interacting within the community, being a local elected official in Greenville for nine years and being the mayor. So I've seen him many, many times. But to sit down at the table with them was again very intimidating. But what he did was gave me advice that pushed me and challenged me, and sometimes we want to hear things, but we don't necessarily want to hear those things that will take us to the next level because we're afraid to step out while he made me step out. And then he would follow up and call me at different times. And so have you thought about it? Yes, sir, because again, he made me very nervous. But his challenge was scary but necessary. He propelled me to think beyond what I thought I could do. I watched what he did as an individual, and he showed a life of service. But he lived that every day. A few people in the community who gave me some some things is to say They said that he was a man who loves serving God and God's people. He was committed to his family, his church and his community. If there was a need that he knew about, it was his mission in life to meet that need. He was a true example of what we call a servant leader. Among the many things that you have heard strive helping during Hurricane Floyd. One of the things he did in our community was we had a fire, an unfortunate fire that happened, and it was Memorial Baptist Church and it burned down. And we did not know at the time who was responsible for word. But it was a church that burned down well, Revenue Lock stopped his church service, and he led his congregation to that site to make sure he provided support and encouragement. The major thing for that he didn't care what color they were. He didn't kill her if they didn't worship the same way that we worship. He stopped his service and went over to that church. And he offered to change his services to allow that church to help services in his church. Not many people would do that. We say that we would do things, but a lot of times we have that self is nature. He didn't have that. It wasn't about him. It was about that need. And he made sure he stepped up to that. He loved people. He loved paper. He had a gigantic and generous spirit in the book being leaders written by our very monstrous. It states that the road to true greatness is servant Hood. For over 30 years, one of my dear friends had the privilege and opportunity to learn many life lessons from Rev in blocks from the moment he and his family arrived in Greenville. His passion for helping people was not a secret. He was a man of God. And he without a doubt love the Lord with all of his heart, which is the greatest commandment He'd never met a stranger. And once he knew your name. You're a friend for life. As a young minister, he imparted words of wisdom and knowledge into her life. And he continued to do so until he was physically no longer able to. He was a gentle giant, and when he spoke, people not only listen, but lives were changed. He preached the importance of love and would often say, I love you, but there's nothing you can do about it. His presence will be missed, but his legacy will live on forever. And that comes from the honorable Tanisha Heinz Johnson, one of the Magistrates in Pitt County. Or in May 29th we lost a gentle giant. I say me the work that he's done speak for him. Mr. Chair, I commend this resolution. Thank you. German from Scotland represented. Pierce is recognized to speak to the resolution. Thank you for speaking to the lock family in the guests who have traveled from Greenville, Lumberton, North Carolina. We just delighted to see you all today, Miss Carol. And Children and grandchildren. Thank you for your presence today. Ah, many in this chamber. I'm quite sure if you don't know if anybody's served with representive locks in this chamber. Maybe Billy, did you serve with Cindy? I don't think anybody served with him, but I knew Reverend Locks from Reverend Locks from Lumber to North Carolina, where he passed a Santa Grove Missionary Baptist Church and to all the clergy in here. I want that, you know, he was a friend to the brother, and that says a lot about a minister when he well let young preachers like myself. When I first started preaching, go to the church sometime, make a miss. But he gave us an opportunity to preach. But I knew Cindy from like the same from Sandy Grove. And send a lot followed a great group of legislators in the district that this seat that I now occupy Dr Joe Johnson, Miss Frances Cummings, Mr Donna Barner and Garland Piers. So that was the line of Ah, I mean, if you laugh about it, but said. It was a great guy. He was one thing. I heared about Cindy in the general 70. He was a statesman. That is a word that all of us would should work towards to be a statesman. And Cindy Locks was that person. He was very gracious. Ah, Mrs represented Smith talked about him. Hey, was he was a great guy and I knew him in that capacity as a fellow clergy. And I really enjoyed sharing with him on many occasions. Had an opportunity with Sydney was about at the end of the journey at the church that he was pastoring on my way to a little Washington. One morning I stopped by, he didn't expect to see me, and, uh, I was just so glad that I would take time on my from my journey to stop by and speak with him. And then the last time I really saw him when he came back to Center Grove Missionary Baptist Church when the past of the Church of Reverend Bird passed and Sydney came that day and read the scripture and we were all delighted to see him. But cinderblocks was a great great freeing, a great legislator, and surely he's going to be miss. His wisdom, as many talked about he's helped all of us and our political careers across the years and send it locks was a great guy. But most of all, he loved the lower. And I think we we all recognize that. And he was a love of people, his family, his community and anywhere that sending locks would go. He was always concerned about the least of these and trying to make a difference in the life off North Carolina citizens and God's people. Mr. Speak, I want to commend this Resolution. City lots was a great guy, and I'm glad I've had the opportunity. One that really broke me down the last time to talk. And that was Ah, way, right. So I've talked on two of my colleagues, and I'm glad today I was able to hold myself together to talk about another clergy. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity. Thank you. The lady from Wilson represented Farmer Butterfield is recognized to speak to the resolution. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, we as legislators, whether we have been here one month, one time or decade or more all wish to serve our constituents with honor and dignity for all. My representative 11 Sydney Locks Jr. Provided us with a great blueprint or have a survival, constituents replied. An honor as an ordained pastor and about this church. He looked after his congregation with love, and here his first goal was to take here of their spiritually knees. Those knees could be a shoulder to cry on, someone to laugh with or to lend a helping hand. He showed that same love and empathy to the people he served in the North Carolina House of Representatives. Well, Cindy Locks was hand. I had the honor of working across the street at the album are building with the Department of Human Resource is It was called at that time nasty Department of Health and Human Services. And I came to him on behalf of the state of North Carolina and talked with him about important issues in health and human services that we wanted him to advocate for in that area. And he was always a strong advocate and a supporter. And indeed, when I left state government and started working for a non profit, I came to Sydney locks again, asking the him as a lobbyist for the Association for Retarded Citizens, it was called At that time, there is the art of North Carolina to support the no death penalty bill for people with mental retardation they will refer to at that time. Now they'll refer to his people on a lecture development disabilities and Sidney Lops That issue that Bills drafted and made sure that he felt to ensure that citizens in North Carolina with intellectual development disabilities did not have to suffer through the death penalty for crimes committed because he understood that they have an intellectual disability and not the capacities that menace citizens have in our state. So I say to you that I learned a lot from him. I got got us and advice from him, and he became a family friend. In fact, when I got ready to run for the North Carolina house and was given the Pitt County district after having had Wilson, it's common nesh. I had to go to him before I could run a pit county. Nobody could run for political office in Pitt County and not have the blessings and support of Sidner Locks if they wanted to win. So I say to you, Well, rev in Sydney, Locks did not serve a long time in this chamber. He is definitely someone to emulate. His legacy goes far beyond what he did here. He has helped numerous people, not only in his community but throughout eastern North Carolina. And indeed, the state of North Carolina is far better off because of the life and legacy of Sydney locks at commander resolution to you. But the gentleman from Cumberland represented Floyd is recognized to speak to the resolution. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Once again, Mr Speaker, I rise for a champion in the area of human relations. If you look at the Revolution on page stand mitten llama, he admitted the Llama Human Relations Commission. If you really look at race relations and the progress that we have made over the years, it's because many cities across this state had race, relation commission that sort of bought all of our communities together. And if you look at Robinson County, it's a try oration county and send it. We always talk about the difficult task that he had in race relations, but he saw that it was a needed area. And today if we stop and look at it, is more so. Today, Dan Elbow. So I've spoken with Cindy many times in Greenville, but he was always of scholar. He was always a diplomat diplomat, and you were waiting for some time. You know, when said you're gonna say something negative, everything was positive. Family. Thank you for allowing me to work with him in the great state of federal no Carolina and sometime traveling to the low small county alone Mountain to work with him in the area or race relations. Let's speak about Kidman. Revolution, Changle for the discussion. Further debate. If not the question for the house is the past of House Resolution 12 31. On second reading, those in favour will say I as opposed name guys have a house resolution 12. 31. Having passed its second reading is ordered printed. Members like to welcome the family with us today and to the family. We're gonna call you out by name. If you would call your name, please stand and remain standing so we can recognize you first. We have represented blocks wife with us today. Carol Locks, daughter Odetta, Brown granddaughters Sydney Brown and Sophia Brown. His son James Locks son Frederick, walks son Sidney blocks daughter and wall to Misha Locks. Family friend Alexander killings will believe also it was a secretary of D M V and family Friends sharing Evans, which all police in buyouts there. Also staying is very want to thank you for being with us and you honor us with your presence today. Thank you for being with us. And please know that represented watch Service is very much appreciated by this body, and you and your family will remain in our thoughts and prayers. And again, thank you all for being with a stick. Members. Ah, one really quick matter. Wanted to go and take care from yesterday. This is 1/3 reading on the conference sport. This is Senate Bill 2 17 Corporal Read. Senate is made and Daniel similar to 17 ability entitled I'm employed in short precinct workers 2020 General election. Johnson No climbing. Max. The lady from you had ever represented Grange is recognized for motion. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I move that the house do adopt the conference report on the third reading of Senate Bill 2 17 The lady has moved in the house to adopt the conference report on this third rate is the ladies are further debate today just to mention Mr Speaker, that this past yesterday unanimously and I ask you for your green vote question before the house is the adoption of the conference port on third reading in Centerville to 17. Those in favour will vote. Aye. Those opposed to vote No. The fork weapon of Represent that Zacharias the General intend that vote represent voluntary up. I'm sorry. Represented paltry. I saw you too late There represented Floyd on the floor Corker Locking machine record the 113 having voted in the affirmative and none of the negative the House does adopt the conference report to Senate Bill 2 17 The bill in the in the Senate will be so notified and members the chair is going to need to move around the Kauder to move some to try to get three bills. But again, just Aziz mentioned yesterday if either the anybody needs additional time to review a bill simply rising vice chair and the chair will gladly give that house bill 6 52 The Cork will read, representatives told it. And Louis House Bill 6 52 appear to be in time. Second Amendment protection at Joseph of North Climate. The gentleman from cadaver represent of Adams is recognized for motion. Ms. Speaker make a motion to concur with the to approve the conference committee substance. The German has moved that the House atop the conference report for House Bill 6 52 and the gentleman has four to debate a motion. This bill actually has four parts. Part one allows handguns on religious properties with a school section. Presently, you can carry a concealed weapon church unless it has a educational portion to it. And in that case, you you're not allowed to carry on in that church even when the educational components not being used. This allows the carry of concealed weapon in a church when that educational component is not in use. Now, if the church besides that one post against concealed carry that could do that. Second port is concealed handgun permit laps in the event that people have a concealed carry license and it lapses, this provisional allows them basically a 60 day period where the sheriff shall issue a new replacement concealed carry license in the event that it goes beyond 60 days, the sheriff has discretion. Anderson provisions in there regarding renewal of the licence beyond 60 days. Third portion is concealed carry for certain law enforcement facility employees. This is basically what this is Is a person works in a law enforcement facility there. Conditions stipulated in this bill that would allow the carrier of a concealed weapon. The fourth section is concealed carry for certain emergency medical service personnel. And this also allows emergency medical services personnel defining general statute 1 31 e dash 1 55 while on duty to carry a concealed weapon. There are training provision in that section and I'll stand for any questions about the bill. For what purpose is the gel investigating? I'm ready to take questions. I don't see any takers, So why don't we go? Why don't we see if it wants? Wants to debate it. What purpose does the general from? Hired help Representing Nearly rise to speak on the bill. Please. Chairman has for, uh, just wanted to step up and say that my former colleague Rina Turner, she actually had brought both of these bills before she left to the House and it was not able to get done. These are both very different segments of this bill. Actually, there's to church schools in our county that pertain to this. And also our sheriff was the one that brought forth the part about the concealed carry. We have a remote office and morsel that is mainly just for the the bookkeeping part of it on. And those people aren't able to really defend herself in actual sheriff's office cause they can't have their concealed carry their in it. So that's just cleaning up some stuff. But thank you. Further discussion or the debate. Hypno question for the houses. The adoption, The conference Porter House Bill 6 52 Those in favour will vote I. There's a pose, a button, that cork weapon of it all. Tree No. Montgomery on before Montgomery I cork will lock the machine and record the vote. 77 having voted in the affirmative and 38 in the negative, the conference support the House bill 6 52 is adopted and the Senate will be so notified. House Bill 6 12 The corporation actually strike that. We're gonna hold off on that one for now. Senate Bill 3 61 The corporal read. Actually, the churches the cork is suspended from reading that bill Chair directs that actually House Bill 3 61 be removed and returned to the conference committee. Senate Bill 4 88 Incorporate. So does Jackson Wills Children Senate Before the ink a politically entitled the Empty Empty Dealer changes Jill Some of your climb MX German from Columbus, Ribs and Jones. We're gonna have to debate Speaker. I do ask the House approved conference report for Senate Bill 4 88 Jim has moved at the House atop the conference report. The German has four to debate the mission. Think Mr Speaker members, This bill was vetted, completely scrubbed. All interested parties are good with this film we looking for Appreciate your green vote. Further discussion. Further debate, if not the question for the houses. The adoption of the conference port to Senate Bill 4 88 It was a favorable vote. I they're supposed to vote no cork weapon vote. All tree represent Zachary Adams. John. German like to vote now. Bigger town cork will lock machine record the vote 114 having voted in the affirmative and none of the negative comparable work to Senate Bill 4 88 is adopted and the Senate will be so notified. What purpose of gentleman from for side represented Gunnery rise. My vote on H. B 6 52 should have been recorded as a No, not tonight. The gem will be recorded as having voted no on the conference report for House Bill 6 52 Is that the bill? Okay, so noted. For what purpose does the general from Northampton represent? A rate rise like change my boat on house Bill 6 52 from a no two years. Djembe recorders having voted I on the car. Support the house bill 6 52 Go back to the top of the calendar House bill for 77 Mercury website. Candace Smith House before 77 Built the entire four year terms. Town of Bethel Johnson of North Planet. The way from pit represents Smith is recognized, Um, is recognized for emotion. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Mr. Speaking Members. This bill is a local bill that came at the request of the town of Bethel. It previously passed this house unanimously and it went to the Senate and there was an amendment that was removing a provision that was passing another bill. And our delegation supports this and I asked for you to vote to concur. Thank you. Further discussion. Further debate. Not the question for the houses. The motion to concur with cynical may substitute to House bill for 77. Those in favour will say I there's a first name. Guys have it. The House has concurred with the Senate committee. Substitute the House bill 4 77 and bills ordered enrolled. House Bill 5 93 The corporation representative. This is Richard Sitting Roger's House Bill 5 93 building retired, Juvenile Crime Prevention Council detention court appointed attorney and other fees. Just said no climbing acts. Who wishes to make the motion on that represents Stevens Lay from Surrey. Represent. Stevens is recognized for emotion. Thank you, Mr Speaker, and I move that the body do not concur. There's lots of good provision that we with way has moved on. We not concur the ladies recognized to speak to the motion. Thank you, Mr Speaker. There are lots of good things in here that we did in the House. But the Senate did some stuff about out of state sex offenders and how they have to register. And there are concerns on both sides of the aisle that that provision needs some work. So we'd ask you to not concurrency. We get that workout. What purpose of the general from company was Enriched? Rise? Inquired the chair. James recognized man in motion. Not to concur. Can I had amendment to that emotion? You can't. So all that happens now is just It's just a motion. Either concur or not concur. If we and if we don't concur, then we'll notify the Senate. Appoint conferees Any legislation to come from that would come as a result of that conference committee. Further discussion. Further debate, if not the question, for the houses. The medicine not concur with Senate committee subset the House. Go 5 93 There's a favor. Will vote I. There's a postal vote. No cork weapon of it. Altria. Quick will lock machine recorded vote 111 having voted in the affirmative and two in the negative. The House has voted not to concur with Senate committee Substitute House Bill 5 93 It will be notified for purposes. Jumper from Cumberland represent Richardson. Rise inquired. Massive route will ask. The chair requires. Yes, sir. Mr. Miss Speakers. I understand. You know the Rule 62 that matters not covered in the rules are rules that were to be governed by Masons. Is that not correct? Its rules precedent. And then I believe masons in that order. I can't recall. I have to ask corks Last parliamentarian those questions. But Mason's does govern where there's where there's an issues I'd like to make a motion under section for 89 of Masons like state My reasons for emotion The moment, Jim and a whole just a moment. Let me call that little familiar more familiar with the rules in the Yellow Book as opposed to this. And let me get to him just a moment first. No, page 3 21 The German is recognized to is recognized for the motion. Mr. Speaker, I would move that this body adopt a new rule under emotion relating to future proceedings that any bills that have been sponsored and passed one body has passed the house that before it can be presented in a new form with completely new substance changing the title because under Masons um, Section 6 17 substitute bills that any committee work that where they changed the bill completely and changes the title is considered Amendment of the Bill and we know in our rules we cannot amend the bill that amends changes the title. And what has been going on is is this practice where we have specific rules about introducing bills, particularly that we have to sign him, that we have to get our sponsors that we have to stand at the first reading, which is appropriate and say It's our bill. We have to attend committee meetings. We have to present the bill on the floor and we take responsibility for what is happening. Mr. Speaker, is that under without this new without this motion without this new rule, what is happy? This peoples that have worked very hard on their bills and gotten past are now getting these bills changed drastically. I mean, completely if you look at 5 93 what that waas was that was a bill when I put it in the past, his house 116 to 1 that was strictly about domestic orders, and that's got everything under the sun in it. And it's a bad privatised in this bad form. It violates the golden rule do unto others what you would not do to yourself. And frankly, if you look at the purpose of these rules, it says in bases that the purpose of is to have an orderly A rule should not be interpreted in any purpose a rule against renewal process motions. His purpose is to allow the orderly discussion an orderly debate of a of A of a process and wear not doing that now with this with this privacy. And so my motion is to put a stop to this private. It's not good for the dignity of the body. So So a couple couple different things there, and I think they represent a rich enough were actually enjoyed these kind of conversations about about our rules about parliamentary procedure. So a couple things that respond first off if it's an actual amend, if the gentleman is asking the body to amend the rules that requires a resolution and of course, the 2/3 Jim would actually have to file a motion to me or excuse me actually have to follow a written motion to amend the rules in a specific man. Inquired chair. Yes, sir. I'm making my emotion pursuant to rule for 89 which is not amending rules. It's a future per seen its governing future proceedings. I can't change what we've done in the past. I just want to put a stop to this nonsense. It appears that the only problem with with that with that rule is that it would it would be in conflict with the rule with respect to two conference reports. There it is. Inquired chair. Yes, sir. My understanding. There is the rule presently regarding the President regarding the practice of taking somebody's bill that is on one side and completely using it as a vehicle to get numerous other subjects in the legislation. Am I not correct that the rules are solid on that so so so two things and refer you to our standing rules? First of all, Rule 43 of course, which is the amendment statute is is pretty general about what can be done once a bill comes here or once once a bill comes here. Once a bill goes to the Senate And this is something that the court pointed out. The Senate has no reciprocal provisions so that the Senate would not be bound by whatever this ruling is. It would actually only bind the House in that case, but with Jerry would point out that Rule 43 is is a very generous meant. Excuse me provisioned. It allows amendment in certain cases. But what I would ask it in contemplation of this issue if the gentleman would look a Rule 59 we actually inserted a provision was 59 D and this this ghost that I think the heart of the question represent Richardson it. Let's say that the Senate took a bill that you had that you sponsor and change that substantial to something that you found objectionable when it came back. In that case, 59 d allows would allow the member to remove the member sponsorship of a bill so the gentleman could come off with the bill because we recognize this for longer than you and I have been been alive. This has been the practice of the North Carolina General Assembly that once the once the bill goes to the other body, the other issue is that once the pot, once we pass him and we send a bill to the Senate, that bill becomes, it becomes the property of the Senate. It it is in their possession at that point, and they can do with that bill whatever they wish. They then, of course, send the bill back to us. And the way that the bill was sent to us came in proper order, was received in the normal course and is a standing bill that, under our German resolution and under are standing rules, allows us to be allows to be considered. So I understand. I don't know, and I guess just to have more of an academic discussion about it. If Jimmy want to adopt a rule, say, next session that said, You can't do that I don't know how it would even frankly be enforceable. Almost the way you would have to do it is almost treated like cross over route. That what we're not going to receive it. You send it back to the other body or you send it somewhere. But it's inquired. The chair, of course, under the old D, and I have a chance to look at it in complete, detailed but on the rule 50 90 doesn't require that the committee chair or the the person the the anyone give the bill sponsor proper noticed that since substantial changes have been made in the bill, so those rules again are binding on what we do in the house. You have that, and I know it's hard to believe that the centers don't always listen to what we have to say over their enquiring. Jen was recognized with the chair. Be disappointed to know that that's also private. Study this body. So you know we certain way like to think when we get a Senate bill that we actually improve it when we send it back point person proof. Of course, the gem was recognized. Victor Point, person members. I know we're in the end of the session, and they were busy, and I know we're tired, but there comes a point where these rules the purpose of them when you read the Masons in the introduction and why they say we have these rules and why they're so important, is because we want the process we want at the participation. We want an orderly fashion, and we want fundamental fairness. This cannot. This practice has got to stop is it's not good for the body. It's not right, and it does not serve any purpose. We have got to be more courteous to each other than this, and we've got to recognize that these laws that were not I need to have a public hearing. They need to be vetted and they need to be carefully studied, and this is not the way to do it. And it's not the way to treat each other. And I would hope that we would learn from this and not do it in the future. For what purpose does the German from Duplin Ribs and Dixon Ross in God's Here? John was recognized. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Didn't. Gentleman's former friend already answered this question when he said, Sometimes your windshield sometime. Your book and I didn't tell that story yesterday. There were a few times I was the book, all right, but I will say I will say represented Richardson, that the chair certainly takes the Gelman's point. What What what chair can say is that, actually, and talking with other presiding officers of house chambers, around the country. It is not uncommon at all for bills that pass over in one form, be converted and used for another. Another purpose. I think the key is the fact that it is that it is properly noticed before the body, and that when everything is published and put on put online and made available online, that members realize what they're voting for. The the thing that would be a problem would be if the bill had to do with with one subject and then was put on the calendar that appeared. It still had to do something with that previous subject. But in fact, it was something different. Under our rules, the bills have to be very clear what's involved, and that's why they're the various notice provision and why the it has to be there. What I would say is that actually, one thing that may give the gentleman some comfort is that today, at least with the technology we have in the dashboard, at least that you it's known it's much easier to see. Gemma may remember the days when they were a bank of copy machines out there, and we get copies in here and it was literally hot to the touch. And that was truly the first time that members would see those and were often very thick and expected to go through it. So I do think that the technology that we have, we're not only we as members but the general public now have access to these. These bills could be there, and so members when something may have had to do with one bill when it passed. Once it comes back, it's a different subject matter that everyone members public. Everyone understands fully what those those items are, but, uh, I hope that gives the gentleman some comfort on going forward. But Chaired certainly does appreciate Gemma's observation house Bill 9 18 ever since his job in Stephen's, Murthy asked 9 18 about to the entire expect Progressive DHS reports. Now Joseph, knock line in X German from Davidson Represent Jarvis. Recognize Formacion. I would like to make a motion that the House do concur with Senate committee Substitute House Bill 9 18 The German has moved at the House to concur with Senate committee substitute and the gentleman has the four to debate the motion. Thank you, Mr Speaker Ladies and gentlemen of the House, this bill's been thought thoroughly vetted in committees passed the house went to the Senate in their infinite wisdom. They sent it back as a better bill. The Senate made an amendment that provides that if a parent is currently in royal rolled in substance abuse treatment program and is making progress to the recovery, they may continue to seek reunification. I agree with this amendment, and I would ask for your green boat. What purpose does the lady from Lakers in the bat tries to speak to the motion, but he has a four. So while I very much appreciate the fact that we're working on permanence for Children in foster care, this bill has great intent, but it actually doesn't reach the intended goal. Right now, our child welfare system is overwhelmed with Children and our foster care system. If we were to pass this legislation an example right now. But the available data shows that 700 infants came into foster care because of substance abuse disorders, while 2600 substance use disorder infants went home with a safety plan, says some percentage of the 2600 Children would be subject to this bill, and I'm speaking from a position of having warned every hat except for judge in our juvenile system. I'm a child welfare specialist, one of 17 in the state and what I can tell you in working in our court system as a garden, that LatAm attorney advocate, as a DSS attorney and also as a parent attorney. Our system is broken, as is. We need to fix the child welfare system. We don't fund it nearly enough, and we have Children right now and foster that aren't in foster homes because they're overwhelmed. We have Children in counties in North Carolina that are living in hotels with social workers because we don't have enough foster homes. And while I do appreciate the Senate's change with the growth of the amendment that they made regarding substance abuse, the major problem is is that we also don't have Medicaid expansion and access to substance abuse treatment. And so many of the individuals that are gonna be negatively affected by this bill are individuals who do not have access to health care as of right now, and so it makes it almost impossible for them to be able to get and seek treatment. And social service agencies don't have the funding themselves to provide this amount of supporting substance use and substance substance abuse treatment to the Children that we need in our state into the parents. And so we need to come together and work on issues regarding what is equitable, unfair for families and to make sure that we can go ahead and reunify families and keep Children safe. But this bill does not do that. We also have a list of several organizations that are actually opposed to this, and they are DHHS DSS Directors Association Prevent Child Abuse, North Carolina, North Carolina Council of Churches, The North Carolina O B G Y n Society Administrated Office of the Courts Guardian ATL. Items North Carolina Child benchmarks and See a seal You AIDS Action Network Children's First Communities and Schools of Buncombe County. Indigent Defense Services of North Carolina, Planned Parenthood nor Wall uh, Homegrown families. Ashville, Ashville Bumpkin Advocates for parody achievement Sister song, Women of color Reproductive Justice Collaborative National Advocates for Pregnant Woman Harm Reduction Coalition Down Home, North Carolina The steady, collaborative movement for family power moms rising North Carolina National Alliance for Medication Assisted Recovery National Perinatal Association, the Olive Branch Ministry Women and Harm Reduction International Network in the North Carolina Survivors Union. Me reading off the individuals that actually have a seat at the table in our stakeholders in this state who advocate for the well being of Children took longer than my original remarks. I understand and appreciate us trying to deal with permanency in North Carolina that we're going in the wrong direction. And it's also contrary to the legislation that's been passed with federal guidelines actually support reunifying families. Thank you. What purpose does the lady from Wake Ribs in Badcock rise to debate The motion lady has four. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Members. I rises a family nurse practitioner and family practice. And I joined the numerous groups that represented Bacha listed in particular the North Carolina O B. G. Y in society and the North Carolina Pediatric Society in opposing this bill in particular but also asking you to vote against the motion to concur. The state o B. G. Y. In society's national partner of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, has an opinion titled Opioid Use and opioid use disorder in pregnancy. Let me share just one part of that statement that is core to their position on the issues that are dealt with in this bill. And I quote, it is important to advocate for this often marginalized group of patients, particularly in terms of working to improve availability of treatment and to ensure that pregnant women with opioid use disorder who seek prenatal care are not criminalized. Finally, obstetrics care providers have an ethical responsibility to their pregnant and parenting patients with substance use disorder to discourage the separation of parents from their Children solely based on substance use disorder, either suspected or confirmed in states that mandate reporting policymakers, legislators and physicians. And I would say, all over G y n providers and those who care about women and their Children should work together to retract punitive legislation and identify and implement evidence based strategies outside the legal system to address the needs of women with addictions. In quote Now, this is me talking. You know we don't separate Children from their mothers who have other serious and awful debilitating illnesses like cancer or kidney disease or kidney failure. Sevenths abuse disorder is a serious illness just like those illnesses. And it deserves treatment, not punishment, and certainly not the severe punishment of removing a child from their mother members. I ask you to please vote against the motion to concur. Thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Rutherford represented? Rogers Rise to debate The bill chairman has for just A. I'm not gonna encourage you to vote for or against the bill. That's CEOs decision. But I do have a couple of concerns in it if the bill sponsored, Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe there's a portion there that after nine months of Foster, it's hard for us to imagine ourselves. And it was making mistakes, I guess. But it's easy to imagine if we have Children that might go through rough times. So imagine your child has a child in your stoner. Daughter has issues of whatever, and their child is placed in foster care after nine months. According the bill, After nine months, the foster parent has kinship rights. It was after just nine months. They can follow T p R. They can file custody. They have kinship rights to that child, and the other issue I see with the bill just knows did just now is that, um if your daughter or son uses marijuana even once, according to the bill, if you if they use illegal substances, even if they placed their child with you because they know they're in a tough spot. If they use marijuana, for example, and place the child with you a perfectly good home providing great care for the child because they know they're in a tough spot. If they use illegal substances and can't provide the way I read, it can't provide themselves a safe home for the child. It's neglect, even if they've put them with you while they're going through the rough time that's considered neglect, so vote for it or against it. But there are some concerns there. For what purpose does Lady from Durham Ribs Inamori rise like you to debate the bill? It has four. If it would, every speaker of the sponsors said, is this bill is huge impact on families in North Carolina. I served as a district judge for 18 years, doing social service cases and termination. Parental rights are the hardest cases you can imagine taking a biological, biological child away from a mother, and many times petitions were filed because of substance abuse issues. We used to have drug family treatment courts. The Legislature paid for drug treatment for mothers who had addiction problems to help get off the drugs to get reunification with the Children. It took well over nine months in many cases, but that reunification was beautiful to keep that family intact. The concern with this bill and it's not a political issue with just some of a standing who have experienced 14 agencies are saying Do not shorten the time to nine months to tell a mother to get back in shape so she can keep her child, especially when we're not funding adequately. Substance abuse treatment. Who is this going to impact? Let's be blunt women of color minorities, people in poverty. It will deter women from getting the help they need if they can find it, because typically I saw is a judge with Applied were in a waiting line for six months before we can even start treatment. A child's biological bond with a parent begins at birth. Is it for us to say your stopwatches nine months and if you don't meet it and you're not clean. Where are destroying your biological bond? And that child can go into the foster care? And if lucky adoption, listen to the 14 agencies that air saying Take a pause on this. Do what's right. Let's follow the federal guidelines, which emphasize reunification, not termination of a family's bond and rights. Thank you. For what purpose does the jumper from Richmond represent? Abreu rise to debate. The motion has for the last two years on the bench. This is the area that I did almost every day. Uh, and this bill has a lot of flaws. The courts or courts, Mr of us, that courts as opposed to it. The Guardian ad. Lydon's attorneys are opposed to it that DSS directors are opposed to it. The advocates that I've talked to today in my district don't like this bill. The attorneys don't like everybody that handles these cases on the day to day basis. Thinks this bill has problems and one of the biggest problems that no one has mentioned it by cutting it to nine months. I think you create a constitutional problemas well, because apparent in this state, even if they are a terrible parent, has a constitutional right to their Children unless it is shown that they've acted inconsistently with those protected rights by cutting the period of time to nine months. I think we run a very real risk of having these cases not only end up with the challenges directly on the facts and the issue, but constitutional challenges as well. It's challenges that we can avoid, it's challenges that we don't have to make, and I think we should. But we should not concur with these changes. Thank you. Speak. What purpose does the gentlemen from rather for represented? Rogers arrives Debate the second time German has for just one other issue. That's another problem here is taken away. Some of us may or may not like judges. I happen toe like my judges, and it takes away to be returned home. If it's not the best interest of the child, if basically things aren't settled down, it previously said, within a reasonable amount of time, it puts a deadline one year from the date of the initial order and move in custody. They have to be put in a permanent home. So basically, bam, the judges have no discretion there. 12 months, Bam. Another permanent home. I have a problem with it. For what purpose does the way from sorry represent Stephen drives to speak on the motion that he has for debate emotion. Thank you members and And this bill was here and didn't get this much discussion when we had it here the first time. So I'm hearing of all the people who object to it, and I have talked to DSS directors who very much favor this. The one thing that most of these groups are talking about is there speaking about it from the parents perspective. But it's time we focus on the child's perspective. Any of you who have studied and I've been to several child abuse seminars and things like that lately, the 1st 6 months of a child's life of most critical, where they have toa form their attachment bonds. And if they can't do that with the drug addicted parent, that parent can get some treatment. But what about that child? What do we do about the lasting impacts on that? This is a situation in which, as I told you from the first time I was here in a private setting. I can go. And I did. I told you the story and I'll just go back to this story again. I had a woman I knew who came to me, and she said I was living in Tennessee, had my whole life set up there going forward, I get a call for my son. He and his girlfriend are having a baby, and they're both addicted to drugs. And they know the minute the baby's born social services going to take it away because that child needs to be in a safe home. So she packs up everything. She moves here, ready to take the child and Social Services does not get involved at all at all. So it goes on for two or three months, and they're using the child as a tool. Now we're gonna take money under your billfold of you Say anything. We're going to keep the baby away from you. We're not gonna let you see the child unless you give us money. And this was the constant threats to the parents to the grand parent. The grandparents came to me and said, What can I do? Okay, you hire me privately, I can go into civil court on your behalf, and we can declare that this child is in an unsafe environment and the court will give you an immediate emergency order. And then we come back in 10 days and we have a hearing. Get a chance to hear. For the parents, that was three years ago. Child is safely living with Grandma. Has a nice, steady, stable home because the mother was able to afford that. Other people can't afford that for their Children. Social services focus should be on protecting that child. And if the parents aren't willing to protect them, they are acting inconsistent with their constitutionally protected laws. And that's how a civil court views it. But Social services takes a very different view on this, and it's time we change, and we shift that to the child is the most important thing the nine month provisioned has to do with when you must start a permanency planning hearing. We need to get it there. The 12 months is federal law. It's federal law. It says if a child is in foster care 12 months, there's got to start being a permanent placement. We're talking about anything from a baby to a two year old toe, a five year old. Ah, year is a long time in that's child life, not toe have stability. This bill is about stability. And this bill is about social services focusing their intention on the child, not on the drug addicted parents who made some choices good batter and different. They made some choices. We have debated this bill and debated this bill when it was over here the first time coming back for concurrence. All it does is carve out an exception, an exception that if the parent, when the child is born, starts getting treatment and actively participates in treatment, then we can leave the child there. And this is only in a situation in which the parents not willing to work on their problems. Having said this, Mr Speaker, I move the previous question lady has move the previous question as to the Senate Committee substituted house bill 9 18 Those in favour the motion showboat Are those opposed? Shall vote No, the cork weapon of it. Four all tree no Korca. Lock the machine record. The 57 having been in the affirmative 52 in the negative. The previous questions adopted the questions now before the body through the majority of minority leader wish to speak for three minutes, saying no. Then there question before the House is actually pushin. Concur anyway. Question for the houses. The concurrence that could be a substitute to House bill. 9 18 Those in favour will vote either as opposed to vote. No, the cork weapon of it all. Tree. No bulls Eye cork will lock the machine and record the vote. 59. Having been in the affirmative 53 the negative, The House dust concurred. The Senate committee substitute to House Bill 9 18 Bills ordered, enrolled and sent to the governor. What purpose? Jump from Wayne Represent. Smith Rise, House Bill 10 23. The Corker read Commedia Lose Caroline and offerings in the House Hospital 10 23. A big to be entitled Corona virus. Really fun additions and revisions. Johnson nor finding the German for Saif ribs and Lamb with is recognized for motion. Mr. Speaker, I move that we adopt this bill, um, and concurred with this. Gemma's right has moved at the house to concur. The German has the four to debate the mission, the speaker and colleagues as your where we have received significant federal funds over the last a few months, and we've had workgroups work groups that spent a lot of time working on how we would allocate those funds in the best areas. What this bill does is the next phase of allocating some of the Corona virus funds to those that are needing it across the state. I would tell you that there's more to come. There's still work to be done. This does not spend all the money. We're still waiting on some federal criteria on how best to spend this money, hopefully getting some flexibility. We're also, uh, fairly confident that we're going to receive another significant cares act at the federal level that would allocate more money to North Carolina that would allow us to continue to meet some of the many knees. I will also tell you that in this bill is only a portion and next step of what we need. We still need significant amount of money for PP and E. We still see need significant amount of money into many other areas. Child care. We've been able to do that through a variety of bills. This session and what this bill does is simply allocate an additional 100 million from the cove. It funds to a variety of groups across North Carolina that have made requests of the journal assembly. But like I said, it is on Lee the next step. We've got still lots of work to do. Ah, and then at some point will come back and allocated. Um, this bill did go through committee. We went through the details. I'm more than prepared to go through individually. I would only highlight a couple areas. It does release, um, additional 150 million to the counties and cities. It does provide a provision that requires the counties to allocate at least 25% to the municipalities in their area. Um, it does provide additional money for the part of public instruction for PB any, and I would tell you it's not enough. And they have made additional request. But it is a stay up in the right direction to continue allocating funds that we're going to need open up schools. There will be more money to be allocated as we receive more money. Um the list of additional agencies and departments that will receive funds starts on page four. Ah, from areas including information technology. Um, you can read the list for yourself and again. It did get your preparations that got good support. And I recommend that we adopt this s so we can get this next batch of $100 billion allocated across their state members on motion of the jump from our Dale representative. Nearly the chair is happy to extend the courtesy of Gary to his wife, Cindy, and his daughter Madeleine, who is also a recent college graduate job. Police stand so we could welcome you. And thank you for being here. Thanks for being with us today. What purpose does the lady from Guilford represented? Clemens rise to speak on the bill. Lady has four. Thank you, Mr Speaker. And thank you to Representative Lambeth. Um, I am glad to hear that there is more work to come because as someone who advocates strongly for our public schools, I do not believe that this bill comes close to going as far as it needs to for our Children. I hear every single day from educators and families Just yesterday I had five conversations with five different representatives from this house three Democrats and two Republicans about how important it is to get our Children in school and learning in the fall a end. We have the great responsibility of keeping 1.2 million students and over 300,000 staff members safe to do that. The DHS and DP I released guidelines. Tar District's on what PP would be required to keep Children safe if schools are able to open, which we hear is what people want and the cost per month of PPE for our schools is $38 million. So for one month of keeping our Children in school safe, the projected cost is $38 million in this bill we allocate seven milion for 1.1 million students and 300,000 staff members. Additionally, our exceptional Children, our Children who are most vulnerable, they haven't been able to be with their occupational therapist and their speech therapist for months now. The state board asked for $32 million for require your services to make up in the fall, and we're only allocating five and they're red amount of money to our K 12 schools is $12 million in this bill. And I believe I am sorry that we are unable to offer amendments because I believe that the majority of people on this floor would want to support our schools and our Children with more resource is. And I hope, as representative Lamba said that in the next phase, thes critical resource is for our Children are included, they're prioritized. I understand that we have a projected gap. But if I look at the list of things we are choosing to fund over funding PP for our Children, I have questions about whether it's right for the future of our state, and I say this as a representative. But as a mom who was sending two boys to kindergarten next year and, uh, daughter to fourth grade and I believe that his Children and every child in our state deserves better, I would welcome the opportunity as more funds come to be part of that conversation for our schools moving forward. Thank you. For what purpose does the lady from Mecklenburg Ribs Annabelle drives to ask that a sponsor question represent, Lambeth does the German you glad to feels thank you In regards to the domestic violence, preventive pilot Nets and Section 4.2 section say on page 11 we're picking. And why are we picking a specific service provider rather than instructing the a O. C. To follow procedure and procurement procedures Establishing state law 4.2 It's on page 11 in the middle of 4.2 Ah, section C you. Are you specifically referring to Caitlin's Law? Yes, that's courage. I would tell you that, Um, there is a clarification in the policy bill. There will be a policy bill later that actually changes that to the Department of Public Safety. We got feedback after this came out that that although we're very supportive of domestic violence in some of the issues going on with kids and families, um, the vice we got was to go ahead and change that part of public safety and that you will see a change that does that rather than the money going to Caitlin's courage and thank you. What purpose does the way from Durham represent? Boston rise to speak on the bill before? I think he just wanted Teoh acknowledge and appreciate the release of the funds for our local governments that's included in this bill. I think it's really, really important. And I know our, uh, local folks have have been asking for these funds. I think it's much needed. I do hope, as we kind of moved towards the potential additional funds from the federal government that we can give some targeted attention to our municipalities. His budgets are especially challenged right now, but I just want to appreciate this allocation on the release of these funds. Thank you. Make you do the bill's sponsor. What purpose of Gemma From Forsyth representative. Land with Russia For additional comment. Jones Recognize Debate the bill. Second time misspeaking colleagues. You know, I couldn't agree with you any more than the comments you made. We need more. We've had a lot of discussions in the last few days with their delegation in Washington, and I would tell you that I am very encouraged that we will get a significant allotment that comes from Washington to help us meet many of the needs that we still have. We don't know when that will come, is the challenge. And so we are my my advice quite frankly to this body is to continue to receive requests and get those to the workgroups that's been working on this. And they were all anxious to get out of here and have some summer time and family time. But I think there's still a lot of work to be done. We can't just abandon the school kids, the health systems in this state that still need our help. And I wish we knew what that amount of money was today so we could make those allocations and give people a little bit of comfort level. But we don't. The federal delegation tells us it could be late July. It could be mid August or somewhere in that range. So, you know, as we think about adjourning and discussing about what might be the next stay up. You know, my advice has been we need to come back at some point, and we need to make those allocations to allocate additional cares act money for those programs that we no need the money. So I'm 100% with your mad, and I hope that work groups will continue to meet to vet the request, scrub them down a little bit. You know, we've even received requests literally in the last day or two for hundreds of millions of dollars for things that are needed, no question about it. I would tell you at this point that we've spent, um, 2.1 billion from The Cares Act and that there's still a few bills on the calendar that might have been a little bit more and that, um, uh, we need to be buried diligent in our scrubbing and review of requests come in so that we know when we come back that we could make those allotments and allocations in Ivory needed way. So thank you for that comment. Further discussion. Further debate, not the question for the houses. The motion concur with the Senate committee. Substitute has built 10 23 years in federal vote. I that supposed to, but no cork weapon of it all. Tree I corker locked machine before the 114 having voted in the affirmative and none of the negative. The House has concurred with the Senate committee substitute to House Bill 10 23 that builds, enrolled and sent to the governor members. Mr Court, the chair directs that House bill 6 12 be removed from the calendar and returned to the conferees house bill. 10. 64 of the Corporal Read represent Davis House Built 10 64 Ability to be in kind of a CGs clarifying bigger life's and statute general film. No climbing jump from New Hanover. Represent Davis is recognized for motion. I think the speaker I would like to make a motion that we concur the German has moved at the house. Do you concur with the Senate Committee? Substitute the house bill 10. 64 the gentleman has the forward to debate Formacion like you, Mr Speaker Laser doing the house This bill past here 116 to 3 went over to the Senate. No changes were made to the bill as passed by us, but there was an amendment that was added oh, to be a make a new section two and Aiken briefly explain that Mr Speaker, Currently the rules of Civil Procedure and the Criminal Procedure Act allowing continuance to be granted for good cause. Good cause is currently defined to include when a party to a proceeding a witness or counsel o