Name: Duke law fellow: We know Trump's charges, but not the evidence
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Description: Shane Stansbury, a distinguished fellow in the Center for Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke University, evaluated what we know about the case against Donald Trump.

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Shane Stansbury, a distinguished fellow in the Center for Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke University, evaluated what we know about the case against Donald Trump.

NEWS COVERAGE. YOU CAN GO HOME. >> WE BEGIN THIS HALF HOUR WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP PLEADING NOT GUILTY TO 34 FELONY COUNTS OF FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS. THE INDICTMENT IS NOW UNSEALED AND WE HAVE ALL BEEN PORING THROUGH THE 16 PAGES. THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US. I'M LENA TILLETT AND ON DAN HAGGERTY, A TRUMP CURRENTLY IN THE AIR HEADING BACK TO MAR-A-LAGO WHERE WE KNOW HE'S SLATED TO SPEAK TONIGHT AT 8 O'CLOCK. HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW. SOME OF THE BIG BULLET POINTS, THE MANHATTAN D A SAYS THEY HAVE NEW EVIDENCE NOW IN THEIR POSSESSION. THEY DIDN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT NEW EVIDENCE WAS. HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT HOW PARTICIPANTS IN THE ALLEGED SCHEME NEW THIS SUPPOSED PAYOFFS WERE UNLAWFUL. AND THE NEXT HEARING WE KNOW IN THIS CASE IS NOW SET FOR DECEMBER 4TH. JOINING US NOW IS TO KUNA VERSITI SCHOOL OF LAW, DISTINGUISHED FELLOW SHANE STANSBURY. MISTER STANSBERRY IS A DISTINGUISHED FELLOW IN THE CENTER FOR LAW ETHICS AND NATIONAL SECURITY AT DUKE LAW SCHOOL. HOWEVER, MOST RELEVANT LEE WHO SERVED FOR MORE THAN 8 YEARS AS ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY. >> IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WE SHOULD NOTE A ROLE THAT MANHATTAN DA ALVIN BRAGG ONCE ALSO SERVED IN. CAN'T IMAGINE A MORE INFORMED GUESS. SO BRAG SAYS HIS OFFICE HAS PROSECUTED MORE THAN 100 CASES LIKE THIS OF FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS. BUT WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A NORMAL DEFENDANT. HE'S A FORMER PRESIDENT. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE STRENGTH OF THIS CASE. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING AND I WILL START BY SAYING MY REACTION TO THE CASE WAS THIS WAS BOTH A AN ORDINARY AND EXTRAORDINARY DAY IN SOME ORDINARY IN THE SENSE THAT WE WE DID SEE AN INDICTMENT BAD LISTED FELONIES FOR THE FALSIFICATION A BUSINESS BUT ALSO EXTRAORDINARY IN THE SENSE THAT IT WAS QUITE A SIGHT TO SEE A FORMER SITTING THAT SHARE WHERE YOU NORMALLY SEE A CRIMINAL AND ALSO SEEING HIS NAME ON AN I THINK THERE IS STILL A LOT TO LEARN. THE INDICTMENT THAT ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS FOR US IN THE SENSE THAT WE KNOW THAT ALL OF THE COUNTS RELATE TO THAT ONE PROVISION OF NEW YORK, A LOT OF FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE. AND WE HAVE A GENERAL SENSE OF WHAT THE THEORY OF THE CASE AND WE ALSO HAVE A STATEMENT OF FACTS ISSUED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WHICH ALSO HELPS US PUT TOGETHER THE PIECES. SOME OF THIS A STORY THAT WE ALREADY KNOW. BUT THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT TO LEARN. YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WITH THESE WHITE COLLAR CRIMES AND THIS ONE IS IN JEDDAH, SPECIFICALLY, PEOPLE LISTENING AT HOME. IT'S SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY CAN HANG THEIR HAT. IT'S TOUGH TO UNDERSTAND A BIT OF IT. >> A LOT OF THE DEBATE TODAY EVEN ON THE U.S. ON NBC NEWS WAS ABOUT THE STRENGTH OF THIS CASE BASED ON WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO LEARN TODAY, SOMEONE LIKE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DECIPHER THAT MORE THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON AT HOME. HOW ARE WE TO INTERPRET THE INFORMATION TODAY? BECAUSE SOME OF IT SEEMED TO BE A VAGUE. >> THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AS IS APPROPRIATE IS GOING TO SPEAK THROUGH THE INDICTMENT AND THROUGH THE CHARGING WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE CHARGING IS THE DA HAS A THEORY OF THE THAT THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS ENGAGED IN A SCHEME TO FALSIFY BUSINESS RECORDS FOR A PERIOD OF SOME OF THAT RELATES THE STORY THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS QUITE A THE HUSH MONEY PAYMENTS TO STORMY IT APPEARS FROM THE STATEMENT OF FACTS THE OTHER FACTS THAT REVEALED IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE EARLIER TODAY THAT THE CHARGES GO WELL BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS. THE INDICTMENT WAS RETURNED BY A GRAND JURY SOME FOLKS MIGHT NOT RECOGNIZE THE GRAND JURY IS DIFFERENT TRIAL JURY AND THEIR JOB IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROSECUTOR HAS PRESENTED PROBABLE CAUSE THAT A CRIME HAS OCCURRED. SO WE KNOW THAT THE GETS US TO PROBABLE CAUSE AND IT GETS US TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION AND WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE ON THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO 12 JURORS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. SHANE STANSBURY OF DUKE UNIVERSITY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR

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A shooting on Monday in an east Charlotte neighborhood killed a deputy with the US Marshal Service and two officers with the NC Department of Corrections. The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department announced a fourth officer died from their injuries on Monday night.

<p>Really good. All right. Thanks to everyone for being here. Um I'll come to you again with heavy heart uh to announce that Officer Joshua Iyer uh recently passed away as he succumbed to the injuries that he sustained this afternoon in the shooting. Um Officer Ire has been with C MP DS for six years. He was a graduate of the 178th recruit class. He's survived by his wife, Ashley, uh and his three year old son Andrew, um will always be indebted to Officer Ire for his bravery and his sacrifice for this profession. It was just last month. I was in this very room congratulating Officer Iron for becoming Officer of the month in April. And he certainly dedicated his life and gave his life to serve our citizens. And I ask that you will keep him and his family and all of the others that fell victim this afternoon, keep everyone in your prayers. And at this point, um I just wanted to announce that update on the case. Uh We're still actively investigating this. It's still gonna be AC MP D case. Uh I won't be taking any questions, but I do appreciate you all coming and have a good night.</p>

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Numerous law enforcement officers have been struck by gunfire in an active situation on Monday afternoon in northeast Charlotte. The public is being urged to stay away from the area.


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Charlotte-Mecklenburg police discuss a shooting of multiple law enforcement officers.

What community has experienced a tragedy today And it's one that as a law enforcement community we always know is possible but we never expect it never gets easier We're going to do our best to answer your questions today to provide details to be transparent about the events of this afternoon But I do implore you to understand that we're dealing with a tragic loss of life today and uh that loss of life is very fresh There's details that we do not know There's questions that we frankly just aren't going to be able to answer We will take your questions Uh but first the chief of police for the Charlotte Meckel beg Police Department Johnny Jennings is gonna come and give you some information to share his thoughts I'll spell that for you Johnny is Johnny last name is Jennings Jennings after Chief Jennings uh the mayor of the city of Charlotte Vi Lyles is going to come and share her thoughts Viv I Lyles Ly Les chief thank you Lieutenant Today is an absolute tragic day for the city of Charlotte and for the profession of law enforcement Today we lost some heroes that are out to just simply trying to keep our community safe I'm going to try to go through a series of events of how this all occurred and played out and then tell you a little bit more about uh about the injuries and the things that we had to endure today as a as a profession and as a city  So about 1:30 p.m. This afternoon the US Marshals fugitive task force went to the 5000 block of Galway Avenue an attempt to serve a warrant on an individual for possession of firearm by a convicted felon When they approached that individual they were met with gunfire  Officers returned gunfire and struck the victim who was later pronounced deceased in in the front yard of the residence  As officers approached that individual they were they then received additional gunfire from inside of the residence So after a long standoff we were able to clear this residence and confirmed that there were two additional people inside They were both brought to the police station as persons of interest and were trying to determine now what exactly occurred inside of the residence Tragically there were three members of the US Marshals task force who are pronounced deceased and there were there were four C MP D officers who were shot one being in critical condition who is now in the hospital fighting for his life A total of eight law enforcement officers were shot by this by the suspects in this house So we are very early in the investigation C MP D will lead this investigation Uh We still have a lot to uncover a lot of questions that are not answered right now So please respect the fact that I won't be able to answer some of the questions that you're going to have Uh But at the same time we are going to diligently work on this to ensure that that we bring a respect to these officers and these law enforcement officials that lost their lives today And this is a good example of what we try to tell people every single day that when we put on this uniform that we don't have any guarantees that we'll return home But yet we have a lot of great men and women across this entire country that do it every single day to make sure that you're safe in your communities  So with that I'm going to turn it over to Mayor Vaal If you want to say a few words I'm just going to put this M down You never know what your day is going to be like You can't plan things like this to be in this space At this time we've lost three people they lost their lives after they gave us the opportunity to be in a safe place and they lost their lives These are people that care deeply about what they've done for a profession And now today we have to say to them how much we are grateful for what they have done We won't know very much about what happened until their investigation is done But I know this about our community our community stands up for people they stand up for all of the people that work for us that make it possible All of our officers if you had a little bit of problem driving around today I don't think anybody was too worried about that because we know that there is a reason for this and there is a reason that everything happens and sometimes we don't understand it But at this point I know that this community will seek understanding I know that our police department will seek understanding I want to say this Um We're very very much grateful today I heard from the White House about the loss of our officers and the situation that we were having to adjust to I've heard from Congresswoman Adams as well as Congresswoman Congressman Jeff Jackson On the way over here the Speaker of the House Tim Moore and the president of our State Senate They all talked about what can they do to help us now We may not know what help we need right now today But we do know that when people reach out to say this is something that is important that has happened and they want to be a part of whatever we do because there will be a time that we will commemorate these people that lost their lives You think about it your father your husband your friend your neighbor all of them were one person like that  And today they're not going home You know three people lost their lives today And the most that I can ask of our community is that we honor and respect them for all the work that they've done all the work that we will do to make it possible for our city to be safer Every one of us wants to be in a situation where they got you get up this morning and get to come back home and someone didn't today keep your prayers keep your faith Make sure that these officers who have families have people to reach out and hold them up because they will need this And we are a city that will make it possible for them to be this way to be able to live and know that we honor and respect the laws that they have Thank you very much for this time Thank you mayor I want to take just a moment just to clarify  Um There was a total of four C MP D officers I was struck by gunfire today and four task force officers That's a total of eight law enforcement officers who were who were struck by gunfire today Um I want to take a minute to recognize the the people standing behind us here today The first responder community the government organizations that that stand behind me This is a community within the community and it's incredible the bond that we have and it's demonstrated in no other way like it is in moments of crisis and in moments of tragedy like the one that occurred today  So to recognize the people that are with me today we have the Shaw Fire Department Medic Home uh Department of Homeland Security Federal Bureau of Investigation Department of Alcohol tobacco firearms us marshals me Attorney's office North Carolina Highway Patrol And I sure hope I didn't leave anybody off the list on their behalf I want to thank you for being here and um on behalf of all the men and women that they represent who answer the call especially when tragedy strikes I want I want to thank them Um any questions that you have Chief Chief Jennings and uh Mayor Liar are available Well it certainly changes the response The question is how does it change the response when you're going into a residence where someone has a history of having a weapon And let me just be clear the US Marshal service uh their fugitive task force is comprised of surrounding agencies So there are multiple agencies that are involved with the fugitive task force with the marshal service Uh The Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department is a member of the US Marshals uh task force as well Um So any time you are dealing with someone who is a convicted felon and who has been caught previously with the firearm It does raise concerns and raise awareness when you are responding So um when they do that the part of the reason the task force is such an imperative part of what we do every single day is because they have extensive training and they train together to be able to deal with these kind of situations It's always gonna be uh something that's on the forefront of their uh thought process when you're going after Charlotte's most dangerous people Uh And unfortunately today was something tragic that we never wanna see I never wanna stand in front of you today uh to talk about an incident such as something this tragic  It's it's really heartbreaking Yes One j you know I I I'm not ready to tell you all of the agencies what I can confirm is that four C MP D officers were shot Uh One C MP D officer is in very critical condition at this point Uh We do have to make sure that uh family members and all of them are notified So I'm not going to release which agencies they were with with the task force So the question is the number of shooters we are right now we believe there are two shooters involved Again we have two people of interest at the police station that are being questioned right now and we have confirmed that the individual that was set up that we were serving the warrant on uh was the individual who fired the initial shots and was deceased in the front yard uh at the end of all of this So the other officers besides the officer that's in critical condition the other officers are stable The degree of injuries are varying anywhere from a graze wound to a to a wound that requires a little bit more attention but they are stable and expected to be ok Yes I can confirm that we do have we do have a sergeant who is assigned to the task force who was on the scene That officer immediately called for help The three officers or the four officers that were shot are officers who were responding to the scene I'll get to you Yes sir You were able to get that Were there any other that's still early to tell right now We're still in the investigation in the house I can't tell you it was a high powered rifle that was involved on the suspect then Yes sir Thank you G thank you for that question So the bravery of our officers that responded to the scene knowing that they're going into gunfire is is what I've been saying for many years is in the face of danger Our people step up and this profession steps up and that's what we should be defined as doing because we they knew what they were going into and still held their own and attempt to apprehend the suspect They knew that they had officers that needed help that needed to be extracted from that location Yet they went in some getting shot themselves as a result So uh the bravery the heroism uh everything that goes down with that defines who what our profession is Our people demonstrated that today And I couldn't be more proud of the response I couldn't be more proud of the partnerships that we have at every single level of law enforcement every single level of public safety I can't say enough about the phone calls the text messages uh the support and as you heard Lieutenant Petris say or the mayor say that a lot of it is what do you need How can we help And it just uh in times like this that's exactly what we need in these situations So the question is how many other agencies are with the fugitive task force or just responded Um So the fugitive task force I don't have the exact numbers uh with Charlotte has one member uh on the fugu fugitive task force as a sergeant but mainly the surrounding agencies within our uh within our surrounding cities and towns are members of that and we can get you those numbers exactly what who who is involved responding to this It was Yeah So uh so the officers who responded to help out um all the federal agencies were on the scene with me and uh uh uh state agencies of Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office was there as well Um we had agencies uh from Pineville uh to different different towns within our our county They sent officers in to answer our calls for service because we were we obviously you can imagine the manpower needs that it was to secure that scene and to do the transports So they were very helpful to ensure that we did not let our citizens down in responding to those calls for service and they were very helpful in that So no Children in the house it was one juvenile that we did get out of the house though Now right now the type of ammunition that's still part of the investigation all of that will have to be uh be looked at as far as when we get into the house also recover any projectiles that might have been taken out as treatment to the officers So there's a there's a lot that we still have to uncover we're not So the question is whether this was an appropriate time to serve a warrant I will I will tell you I will say when you're talking about a felon who has propensity to carry a firearm there is no great time to do it whether it's in the middle of the night or in the middle of the day the interest in the fugitive task force was to ensure that this person was brought to justice and taken off the streets And unfortunately he decided that he was going to respond to that by gunfire at our officers Yes ma'am I I do not write it now but uh the history of this residence the history of the individual all of that will be released very soon We're going to try to get that information out We do have a lot of family notifications that we have to make in order to provide more information to each and every one of you uh about this individual  So yeah so the question is is right now is the shelter in place open Is the area ok To go back to normal duties Yes we're going to be at the residence processing the crime scene probably for several hours But as far as the lockdowns and and closure of roads and all of that we have opened that back up the house has been secured by our officers have been cleared and now now comes a tedious task of ensuring that we collect the evidence and process the scene  Yes Yes So the question is about the two other individuals who were who came out of the house later We can't I can't confirm right now whether which one or if either of the suspects in the additional shots that were fired What I can tell you is that we had the house secured and it was the perimeter was secure and we continued to take gunfire from inside the residence And after we cleared the residence there were only two individuals that came out 117 year old juvenile and then another female who was taken out as well So one suspect is deceased Yes I cannot I've been I've been with the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department for 32 years Uh I can't remember an incident where three law enforcement officers uh were and and and also three that were killed in the same incident as well as one in critical condition and an additional that were shot and injured  So um uh to me it's it's the most tragic one that I've been involved in I I don't know historically I I can't imagine that there's one that's that's any worse than what we're seeing today Chief What are the questions that your investigators will be working to answer in the coming days each month Well a lot of the questions that need to be answered We don't even know what those questions are right now  We have to get a full understanding of why this occurred and also to uphold the integrity of the investigation we want to make sure that we check all the boxes that we need to so that we can get a full a full prosecution in this case If and when it comes down to that we know answers but we still have many that we have to clear up and many that we have to continue to work on until we can really lock down what happened who was involved and move on from there So I did I spoke with the governor uh earlier today  He basically asked me what do I need He's here to support uh certainly appreciative of of the phone call with him Uh and um you know unfortunately I know he would be here if he could right now He's on his way to come and speak with us  But um I did speak with him this afternoon prayers for the families and the community Um I am a uh East Charlotte since 1975 I appreciate what the police officers do in our community  Speaking on behalf of the East Charlotte community I'm prayerful that there will be an increase of the police presence in our area in East Charlotte Yeah Thank you for that Um At this point I'm I'm concerned mainly with taking care of the officers taking care of their families Uh And all of that comes into play later on how do we respond to this community But I want to make sure the community knows that we're going to continue to keep them safe Uh We got a lot of brave men and women out there that are going to continue working in that neighborhood and they're going to continue to work in the best interests of our community and our citizens So yes I'll take three more questions OK All of the officers from C MP D that were injured were responding to the scene The one of the one sergeant that we have assigned to the task force was not injured They think this is something more I I don't know how many total officers were there serving the warrant So I don't have that that's that's from the US Marshals uh task force that they they had their contingency of their uh task force out there doing this warrant service Yes Speaking my condolences for you and the police force I definitely feel like this is a bad tragic situation that should never take place um in regards to law enforcement and just citizens throughout this throughout the state Um What can you say could be a beneficial step that could be taken between relations between police enforcement and whether it could be just citizens felons or whatever the case may be what could be done to bridge the gap So a level of a situation will never take place  Well I I'll I'll be honest with you whatever gap there is this level should never get to this place right I mean you can have all the hate in your heart that you possibly can have that should never result in taking a life and much less taking multiple lives So the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police Department and every agency you see behind me has a priority to continue to make sure that we have the best community relationships that we possibly can But a lot of that also means that we have to be met halfway on certain things So um we're gonna continue to do that and like I said we're going to continue to keep your community safe So thank you That's all I'll answer for now So thank you thank you all for being here Um We we do need your support and we do need your prayers both for our officers and the other officers involved and for their families and for those impacted in our community in other different ways So stay tuned to C MP D public affairs our social media channels and press releases that we're going to be putting out We'll keep you up to date on all the information that we have as we get it Thank you if that makes sense like that scary day Thank you Kevin And last name is P are you peaches That's it looks like pie

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