With NY widening testing eligibility, watch as NY Gov. Cuomo offers his daily coronavirus update (May 18)
With more than 350,000 confirmed cases, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo holds his coronavirus briefing on May 18, 2020.
you have been living under a rock to my far right. Robert Mujica, budget director for the State of New York, to my immediate right lieutenant governor Kathy Local, who's done a great job for a statewide. But she's taken a special role in coordinating Western New York, so we thank you very much for what she's done. To my left. Melissa the rows of secretary to the governor to her left, Gareth Rhodes, who has been working with us through this crisis. It's a pleasure to be at Roswell. Dr Candice Johnson. Thank you very much for the hospitality. I was thinking about their trip to Cuba and your great accomplishment. It was fun. It was fun and it was productive on. It's always a pleasure to be with my friend, my partners, the great mayor of the city of Buffalo, Byron Brown in the Great County Executive, Erie County Mark Poland cars Thank you for everything you've been doing to get us through this. I'm pleased to report that I took a covert tests yesterday and I am negative from that test, so that is good news. You take one of those tests. It's very easy. I showed people how easy it was yesterday on when you find out your negative, it's actually a nice sense of relief. Um, I didn't have any symptoms or anything, but, you know, you don't need tohave symptoms and you can have the covert virus eso you take the test, they tell you your negative 24 to 48 hours, and it is peace of mind. There's no reason why people shouldn't be getting testing. We actually have now more testing capacity than we are using that many of our sites on. We've expanded the number of people who are eligible for testing anyone who has any symptom for a covert virus. Any symptom includes basically the symptoms you would have if you had the flu. Same symptoms. If you have any symptoms, get a test, get a test, uh, text. You protect your family, protect your colleagues, so get a test. If you were exposed to a person who you find out is positive for covert, get a test, get a test takes 30 seconds. We have 700 locations across the state. Eso There's no reason why you shouldn't do it. You go right to the web. It shows you right where the location is. You can sign up and go. Let's give you some facts on today. Number of hospitalizations air down. So that's good news. Not down a lot, but down I'll take it. Uh, that changes down that changing intubation. XYZ down The number of new cases per day is down by one. Not great, but I'll take it schooling in the right direction. Eso that is good news. The number that breaks my heart every day. The number of deaths is still painfully height 106 but it is down. And in this world where we're looking for good news on a daily basis, that is good news. Although in our thoughts and prayers of those 106 families today and if you look at where we are, we have done a phenomenal job in reducing the spike, reducing what could have been cataclysmic. You see that incline on that curve? No one could tell you when we were in the midst of that incline, where would stop or if it would stop? There was no global expert who said If you do this, if you close this and close this and close this, then we can tell you with certainty it can. It will stop the spread of the virus. Nobody said that all they could say was Do your best, try to close everything down and then hope for the best and New Yorkers responded. We had the highest number of cases in the country. New Yorkers responded with great unity and great discipline. And that's why that curve turned. We hit the apex and we're on the way down. You also see how slow the way down is. That's why all the experts always say, Be careful of the spike because it's a long time coming down from the spike. You want to avoid this bike because you can't reverse it in a matter of days. It takes a long time to get those numbers back down on. This is with everything we did and with all the loss and pain we suffered, this is how long it took to get those numbers down. We now have a top priority, which we have from day one, which is our nursing homes. We've seen we were introduced to this virus in Seattle, Washington, where it attacked the nursing, the most vulnerable population in the most vulnerable place. Senior citizens in a congregate facility. That's how we were introduced to this virus. And I'm afraid that's how we're going to leave this virus. So protecting our nursing homes and seniors has been a top priority. Last week we put in place a requirement to test all staff at a nursing home twice per week. Why? Well number one, it keeps the staff safe. Number two. If you see an increase in the positive among staff people, it's an alert that you probably have a real problem in that nursing home because chances are the staff for getting it from the nursing home or giving it to people in the nursing home. So if you watch what happens with the staff, it's a canary in the coal mine for what's happening in the nursing home on third, it clearly keeps the residents of the nursing home safe. Now, the to help nursing homes do this. We've worked with all the private labs, identified a number of tests that we consent end just for the purpose of testing people in nursing homes. That's about 35,000 per day. We're sending 320,000 test kits to the nursing homes. But today to help them do this with everything we're doing, I know the nursing homes operators are not happy about this. I get it. It's very hard to administer this staff. All have to be tested twice a week. Okay, we're giving test kids with. We've set up a lab capacity, but it is still in operational issue. I understand that. And I understand that no other state is doing this. Andi here that quite often from the nursing homes, no other state is requiring that the staff be tested twice a week. I understand that. I understand we have the most aggressive standard in the nation, but I also know that it is necessary and look from Day One we said this was going to be hard and we said we we drew bad cards in this hand. New York did have the highest number of cases, not because we did anything wrong, but because the virus fooled everyone and we were closing down China and the virus had already left China and gone to Europe. And by the time we closed Europe, three million Europeans had come from Europe and land that in New York airports. And that was happening. And we didn't know close China was already gone by the time we closed China. Uh, and it had left Europe by the time we closed Europe. That's why New York had that clustered. Those flights from Europe come here. They land in JFK, they land in Newark. People take connecting flights. They're coming here. So that brought the virus here. That's why we have the numbers we have. Okay, Uh, but we said we're going to do what we have to do, and we're going to do what we have to do to protect the lives of New Yorkers who is in a nursing home. This is your mother. This is your father. Your sister, Your brother. This is our family who are nursing homes. That's who they are. And there I've seen your family members, who we owe nothing but gratitude and respect. And the one thing we need to be able to say at the end of this is we did everything we could. We did everything we could. 106 people died. How do you live with that? How do you sleep with that because we did everything we could. We still can't save every life. But we can do everything in our power that we condemn you to try to save every life. And that's why I'm comfortable with what we're doing on nursing homes. I know it's hard and I thank them on reopening. Overall, we're opening regions that have hit the data points hit the metrics. Western New York has one metric that they have to hit, which is the number of tracers. They need 521 tracers. They've identified 525 great piece of work that they did over the weekend. I want to thank the mayor. I want to thank the kind executive, all the regional officials who found people to service tracers. They're going to be trained tomorrow, and that means all the metrics will be hit and western New York will open tomorrow. So that's exciting and it's been a long, painful period. But, uh, we start to reopen tomorrow. New York state Department of Health is also granting a waiver to restart elective procedures for E. C. M. C. We want to make sure hospitals are in a position to provide care for people who need it s o. This is a good step. I also have been encouraging major sports teams the plan re openings without fans. But the games could be televised. New York State will help those major sports franchises to do just that. Uh, hockey, basketball, baseball, football Whoever can reopen where a ready, willing and able partner. Personal disclosure. I want to watch the Buffalo Bills, but I'm still objective. I'm acting his governor. There's no personal agenda here. Yes, I do want to watch the bills, but that is not subverting my role as governor. I think this is in the best interest of all the people and in the best interest of the state of New York, even though I do have a coincident personal agenda because I want to watch the bills. But they are separate agendas. At least someone say I have a conflict of interest. I want to disclose it. Judges and staff will be returning to courthouses in the 30 upstate counties that are open this week. Uh, what will reopening me, right? That's a big topic of discussion. Now, uh, what does reopening me this is not a subject that is a political subject or where political opinions really matter. I don't give your Democrat Republican, libertarian, independent. I don't care. I don't care. This is not a political exercise that we're going through. Ah, people say, Well, I have a personal opinion. I don't even care about your personal. I don't think you should care about my personal opinion because it's not about a personal opinion. It's not about an ideological opinion. It's not about a geographic opinion. It's not even an opinion that's relevant, right? This is about facts and science and data. These decisions are being made as a matter of math. It's numbers, it's math. That's all it is. At the end of the day, you start to increase economic activity. You have more people coming out of their homes, more people contacting other people. And then you measure the impact off that increase with numbers, not with opinions, not with politics, not with partisanship with numbers, and then you just measure the impact. You make sure that you don't go above 70% of your hospital beds so that if a large number of people get infected, you have the hospital beds to take care of them. You make sure you don't go over 70% of your I see you bed capacity because when these people are infected with Cove, it they do need I see you beds. We learned that the hard way. You have testing up and running of 30 test per 1000 residents. Where did that come from? That's the White House Corona Virus Task Force Doctor Berks. You have 30 tracers ready for every 100,000 residents that comes from the experts. And then you watch the infection rate and you make sure that you don't get near 1.1 on the infection rate. It's math, and there's a liberation in that at a time of such division and politics and elections and all this garbage. This is an exercise in science and math on, and it's data that we can all share and we can all participate in. I encourage people to go look at the data and look at what's happening in your region, because that's how we're going to get through this on the numbers on the math, on the facts. We're going to bring in advisers to the state advisors who are international experts, global experts who have dealt with these kinds of diseases, right? This is not just a state of New York issue. It's not even an American issue. It's a global issue on I Want to Make sure we have people reviewing and then reviewing the reviewers and then as many opinions of experts that we can get are the best path forward. Doctor Roast a home is, ah, nationwide expert in this field on, he has agreed to review our data what we're doing, what's happening and to advise us as's to how our progress looks on. The numbers are going to thank him very much. We also have Dr Samir bought for senior lecturer at Imperial College, who is agreed to service an adviser to the state of New York. Dr. Baht is the senior lecturer in geo statistics at the Imperial College in London. Geo statistics is not my field of endeavor. I never heard of Geo statistics before, Doctor. That's why we need you to advise us, doctor. But because I know nothing about geo statistics, but Dr Body is joining us. I want to thank him very much. The Imperial College in London. We have had a number of projection models that would done early on by a number of very prestigious universities. And we've been watching all these projection models since this started. As you know, many of the models were not, ah, 100% accurate because they couldn't calculate the effect of the social participation and what people actually did to change the curve. And in state like New York, what the people did dramatically change that curve. So it affected the projections. But, uh, the Imperial College model, as we have been following this four weeks, was the best, most accurate model. Um, and therefore, I think Dr Baht deserves all our all our thanks because they really helped us all through this to date. And I want to thank him very much for taking the time to advise us not just on how we constructed our model to date, but what happens going forward as we infuse the act economic activity and we start to see numbers change. Eso, Doctor. Thank you very much for being with us. Uh, and it's a pleasure to welcome you today. Thank you, Governor. Professional honor to work with you. I think your state has already shown what can be achieved when policies are driven by science. I think the sacrifices people have made and will continue to make deserves in the polls. The leadership shown in New York during this crisis should be commended, and I think you'll see is an approach for others to follow. Of Imperial College London. We have a huge covered 19 response t collaborating with scientists and government agencies globally. You in New York have successfully contained the virus for now, but New York is not out of the woods yet. No state, no country is. As you reopen, New York must continue to watch the data and follow the science. We're really eager to work with New York as they're approaching this crisis from a scientific perspective driven by data. New York is leading the way with data collection, and this will help Thai to go. There's many sources of evidence as possible to reach a scientific consensus which can then be used for decision making. Our team is focused on rigorous modeling to track our rd, as you put it as well the reproduction number of the virus going forwards. If all goes above one. This means the virus is no longer contained and we into tracked the spread of this virus on the disease using the best data possible on as much of it is possible, we're committed to open science. So policymakers and citizens understand our conclusions, limitations and, of course, the uncertainties to date. My team in a barrel has released reports for Europe, Brazil, Italy, relying on data from Google as well as open source statistical tools developed in Columbia University. Thanks to these tools and our research network, the code is available for everyone to see test and to improve. As countries around the world and states and the around the U. S. Start reopening the economies, we will see cases rife once again. And the New York was continued to be vigilant, have to follow the data. So I think I say, you know, Governor, thank you for this opportunity on truly thank you for the work you've been doing and you are doing Thank you. Thank you very much, Doctor. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. I look forward to speaking you and to you in the days ahead. I want to thank the doctor very much in the whole college. Look, I'm a parochial New Yorker. I was not all that eager to seek the advice of a college in London. But I can tell you this, uh, this is a global pandemic. And what we're now doing other countries have done before. We tend to think we're we are always the first. We're not the first. We're not the first to deal with this virus. Other countries have dealt with it. Other countries have gone through reopening. They've learned all sorts of lessons on reopening. I want to make sure that what we're doing is the best informed approach. S o. I want to thank the doctor very much, and they'll be looking exactly at what happens at our data, our metrics going forward on then. The last point is, what's the impact of the reopening? Uh, we don't know yet what the road ahead looks like. It is a function of what we do. So you tell me, how responsible are the employers in following the guidelines that have been put forth, right? Uh, we talk about reopening and contracting in agriculture and fishing and manufacturing. And there are safety guidelines that those employers must follow. How how scrupulous they are in following those guidelines will matter. You tell me if the store owners follow the guidelines on, I'll tell you what happens. You tell me if the employees are following the guidelines and wearing the PPE and using the hand hand sanitizer and I'll tell you what happens. You tell me how individuals react now that the weather is getting warmer or are they wearing masks? Are they acting socially, responsibly? Are they staying within social distancing requirements? And I'll tell you what's going to happen? You tell me how effectively a local government enforces the guidelines and I'll tell you what is goingto happen. So none of this is predetermined. This is all a function of what we do today going forward and this smarter, the more disciplined we are, the lower that infection rate will climb, the lower the infection rate climbs, the more you increase the economic activity. It is a formula, it is math, and that is it at both. At the same time, it's liberating because it takes the politics out of it, takes a personal opinion out of it. Uh, but it's also something you can measure and track. And you will know exactly what's going to happen. Because it's a function of what we're doing. It's up to us. It's up to you. It's the collective. We're going to decide the future that starts today. Uh, we should also set our goal high. Right, But coming back were coming back from the closing. All right, so what is our goal? I say it should not just be about We're going to reopen reopen. Suggest you're going to go back to where you were before the closure. We're gonna go back to the day before the closure. No, life is never about going backwards. Life of is never about. I want to get back to where I waas. It has to be about building back better than before. We want to go forward. We want to advance. And that's what we have to think about going through this. Yeah, we We took a hard blow and we got knocked down. No fault of our own. Whoever created that virus Mother Nature. God, whoever No fault of our own. Welcome to life. Things happen outside of your control that you couldn't do anything about But it just happens. And then the question becomes, Are you strong enough to get back up once life knocks you down and now you're smart enough to learn from what you went through in life, and when you get back up, you will be the better for it. I believe that that's my story. That's our story. That's the story of Buffalo getting knocked down, changing the economy, all right, but we're going to get back up because we're strong enough and we're gonna learn from it because we're smart enough. That's the story of Buffalo. That's the story of New York that is the American story, right? It's what made this country the best country on the globe. Not that we don't didn't get knocked down. We got knocked down plenty, but we were smart enough to learn and strong enough to get back up. And that's where we have to set our sights, not about reopening. We're gonna make this place better than ever before because what we went through is a transformative experience in life. On an individual level, and on a social level, we're not going to be the people we were the day before We're going to be better. We're gonna be smarter. We're gonna be stronger for what we went through. We're gonna be a stronger society for what we went through. I believe that. And we're gonna have a stronger buffalo, a strong in New York and a stronger America. And that's what it means to be New York. Tough, smart, united, disciplined and loving. Thank you. Questions. It appears if I understand the numbers, right State reset some of the metrics to make Western New York eligible to reopen. This way, it looks, at least can you explain that are clarifying that specifically, hospitalizations in hospital debts? Uh, the hospitalizations in hospital deaths are on a three day rolling average, so you have to compute it from a three day average. And that's what we've been doing. And then you pick a date and it's three days from there. I don't know anything beyond that. Correct. It was the net change in the daily spike in cases couldn't exceed 15 hospitalizations or five deaths over a three day rolling average or the 14 day straight decline. It was always either or so in this instance for western New York. It's on that rolling average and the ruling average of the last three days. The hospitalizations actually negative six on the three day rolling average and the deaths is too, so it falls under. They don't notice the maximum of that three day rolling average, which it's no, it's over the course of the three day rolling average. And it's the last three days, three day rolling averages, just that take the last three days and averages contingent of New Yorker. Frustrating with your comments yesterday about you said yesterday that the majority of the back off clear thousands of your for, say they filed in large. They haven't heard they have re certified every week. They have no money, and they check it through the state. Have you heard from those people? And what is your message doing a call today to speak to that directly. But as of this morning, we've now given out $9.2 billion to two million New Yorkers. That's not to say that everybody has been paid. As I said, there's three major categories that are left outstanding for anyone beyond the three week backlog, and that is either hasn't certified partial information a lot of those people fit into the partial information category where either Social Security number is wrong were one of the pieces of information that the Fed's mandate has not been turned. Dinner has not been verified or suspected fraud. And we actually have a Department of labor specialists that are actively not just waiting for people to fix those issues, but reaching out to those people directly to try to rectify them. That doesn't mean every single person has been cleared from the backlog. It's the majority of the people have been cleared from the backlog and the fact that now two million New Yorkers have been paid in it love lines. With the number of New Yorkers who have filed, we're getting very, very close. So for the people who are outstanding, that is now the exception, not the rule and do well is working around the clock to address those issues. And Commissioner Reardon will be speaking again exclusively in a call today just to answer questions on this. She she will today she will take. She's gonna address it today, but also let's remember the context. You know, people are angry here. People are angry here people are angry everywhere right now with good reason. Here's the needle. You're off the threat, right? We have unprecedented number of unemployment claims. It is overwhelmed every state in the United States of America. I talked to governors all day long. Everyone is dealing with this federal government just passes a new law A couple of weeks ago changes all the rules. All the states have to change the program to fit the new rules. And you're getting literally millions of calls where you got one. Thousands of calls previously come up with a better system about a website. More phones. We have 3000 employees on phones and the website. Get the money at the door, Get the money out the door. Get that money out the door. Then you have another pressure, which is Hey, this is taxpayer money. Make sure there's no fraud. I hope you're not giving out money to somebody who doesn't qualify. Hope your meeting, every federal test, all the 476 criteria. I hope you're checking every box, and now you're getting fraud alerts. We think people are defrauding the unemployment system. We think that maybe wide spread computer cyber fraud where these people don't even exist. And it's a fraud scheme all done on a computer. Because you're not seeing people anymore, right? There's no personal walks in the door. It's all on the other side of a computer and you're giving out billions of dollars in this country. So be careful that you're not being subject to some kind of computer fraud and you're responding to Susie Smith. But there is no Susie Smith. Susie Smith is really a computer terminal in some other country. So right, because I guarantee you, a few weeks from now I'm gonna be at a press conference like this. And someone's going to say People are really angry that you gave out a lot of money and the people didn't exist and they were just computer scam artists. And how did you not know? Seven. A corporate law firm has followed suit, according to you, because the attorney general its claim orders to force people to work outside. They call it an abuse of power, that you had a chance to review this lawsuit and were eager for your opinion. The I have not seen the lawsuit. I heard about it the the theory is is wrong towards people toe work offsite. They by forcing some of their employees to go on to work outside. They're calling it an abuse of power out of state. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Look, a lot of people say a lot of things right that falls in that category of a lot of people say a lot of things. Normally nine go to be Jim as being murdered. Fearful from Jordan, boats later faces What? Try to get tourists back to New York state? Well, tourism is not going to be just a New York State question. It's a national question. It's an international question. When will people get back on planes? Right. Uh, when does the economy bounce back that people have money to spend on tourism? Uh, the J impact boats. That's going to be a question of when Can you do James pack? When can you do a jam packed stadium? Megyn Pack restaurant, Ajay Impact Bar jam packed boat. You know, they're all gonna be in that jam packed question. You know, when you say you're encouraging professional sports teams stood real without sports without fans. Is that just for the foreseeable future. Do you pursue that for the end of the NFL season? I think how much should stay in local officials being part of those conversations about what these professional sports? Well, first, my opinion is they have to do a ramp up anyway, right? They have to start. They have to have a camp. They have toe go through administrative procedures if they can economically have games with no fans and the numbers work for them. The economics work because the TV revenue is enough without the fan revenue, and that's actually a sport by sport. The termination. Some sports actually rely more on the TV income televised income than the stadium arena income. But if they could make the numbers work, I see great. Come back. The state will work with you because remember, government rules right now could stop a team come from coming back right? What's essential, what's not essential. So I'm saying the state will work with them to come back. They have to make their own economic decision whether that economic model works for them. Can you do hockey without fans? Can you do, uh, baseball without fans? Can you do football without fans. Uh, they have to make that decision, but anyway, we can help. We would help, and then they'll be up and running. And then when we can fill a stadium again, we can fill a stadium. But why wait until you can fill a stadium before you start to bring the team back and if you can televise it? In the meantime, great. I'm is not as good is going to a game or going to a bar and watching the game, but, uh, people who are at home if you had the chance to watch, uh, sports, you know, I'm watching the reruns right now off the old classic games, and that's fun. But, uh, I'd rather watch current sports on TV if it works. Governor, What about houses of worship? Libraries schedule. Feel for them. There's a lot of clamoring about your worship. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's all you know. Jammed boats jam, temple jam, churches anywhere where you have the concentration of the density, the gatherings. That is the issue. The gathering is the issue. Remember what we learned, right? Uh, we've made mistakes, so let's not make the same mistakes twice. We had the first hot spot in the United States. The first, uh, cold that husband, before it was even called the hot spot. The first super spreader, before they even called the super spreaders, was New Rochelle, Westchester. How New Rochelle, Westchester. One person who went to a religious gathering and then a uh, ceremony infected dozens and dozens. You know what they talk about the meat processing plants in the Midwest and the outbreaks in the meat processing plants? It's nothing to do with the meat. It's the fact that you had 1000 employees 500 employees. We have a situation in Madison County. You have a couple of 100 people and you have one person who's infected. You have a problem. So they all come in that same category. Nobody can tell you when you'll be ready for that, but the answer is followed. The answer is everybody will know because if you follow the numbers and you follow the math, you will watch that infection rate and you will see the trajectory of progress. It's that simple in terms of those four phases for reopening, and they fall into 12 or four. That's on the website. Does anyone know what it wasn't? Robert is a version, as if you were just to open them up regularly with new guidelines would fall in the last stage because, as the governor said, that's a mass gathering. The same thing with the stadium, the same thing with any situation where you have a lot of people together, right? The question is whether or not you could do something less than that. And but that's still an open question is whether whether or not you can hasn't been determined whether there could be a small group of 10 15 20 people right now. Yet I spoke to a nursing home administrator Friday was that they had no idea the state was sending them testing kits, and they were being told they had to pay within themselves. Went out, procured some on their own. What's the line of communication between the state and nursing homes in terms of how we're gonna get these kids to you and how many you're going to get? But we're on daily communication. Uh, this this scale of testing is new for everyone. Um, everyone is trying to figure out how to get tests out of by tests. How to get the testing kids, how to get the testing machines, hospitals air doing that. Labs are doing that. Nursing homes. They're doing that. Employers are doing that, so that is nothing new. Uh, we just worked very hard over the weekend. A secured testing capacity from the labs, private labs that will be set aside for nursing homes and testing kits that we can procure and send to nursing homes to help them. Also remember, nursing home staff is a person. You could be a nursing home staff. Okay, Goto a driving. Go to the CVS, go to Rite Aid. You know, there's a lot of places that you can now get a test, and we have many places that are under utilized, right. We have some driving's that could do 15,000 tests a day. They're only doing 5000 tests today. I mean, we work day and night to get this testing capacity up. We're not even using it right now, so you can say if you're a nursing home, look, it's ah, it's a operational pain. People don't want to get tested twice a day. I understand that, but we know that There's the ability 700 testing sites around the state. You can go right now and you could get a test right now. Just go through a driving on the way home I stood up yesterday. I had done showed people how easy it waas. You know, I understand they don't want to do it, but the's air senior citizens and I want to be able to say, on behalf of the state we did everything we could and testing twice a week of a staff member I don't think is excessive. Well, why don't we do once a week? You do once a week. You take a test on Mondays. You got infected on Tuesday. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday, you spread that virus in a nursing home, and then you found out a week later when you tested positive. You know how many people you could have hurt by then? That's why twice a week about how important it is to listen to experts here on this stuff. If you talk to the experts on nursing homes, tell you. Before Kogan, 19 New York Street had one of the lowest levels of care and nursing homes and some of the most lax enforcement by the state health. It was the state not in some way to blame for what happened. Yeah, I don't believe that. Experts would say that, you know, we have over 600 nursing homes. We've had one of the best nursing home systems in the country for a long period of time. You know, you can always have people who say, Well, you should doom or that always happens. Uh, but and we are doing more. And by the way, now we're doing more and they're complaining that we're doing more than any other state. You can't have it both ways, right? He also last question. Yes, me. Even in practice, have the entire region has been given to public composing the breakdown as faras? The reopening metrics go right now aren't available, And is there any more clarification here regarding how much time we need to wait between the opening phases? You said 14 days a general guideline, but depending over the metric show, maybe 14 days is the guideline because it's basically the incubation period of the virus, right? It will show up in about 14 days if a lot of people get infected today. There's in an incubation period than this symptoms or not, Uh, and then, if all else fails, the way you see the increases in the hospitalization, you know when the hospitalization rate goes up. But when the hospitalization rate goes up, they call it a lagging indicator. It really is telling you who got infected two weeks before. So when you wait for it to happen in the hospitals, you are behind the April, Uh, but you will see the infection rate every day if the economic activity is increasing. But the infection rate isn't and the hospitalization rate isn't and the testing rate isn't on. The antibody rate isn't. Then you could say we can get a little more aggressive and increase the rate faster, but it's it's a pure and again, what's liberating here is it's a pure function off management of numbers. It's numbers, you know, Uh, I'm gonna lose £10. I'm gonna try to lose £2 a week. Okay. It's gonna take me five weeks. Well, first week I did better. All right, so then you calibrate that way, right? This is just a a mathematical calibration, and I want to keep it there because I want to keep it out of politics. I don't want to get into what people say. You should open faster. People say you should open slower. On what basis? Where do you get that from? Well, I just think you could do it faster. On what basis do you think I could do it faster? Well, I think you should be doing its lower. On what basis do you think? It's not what I'm thinking, either. Let's keep all our opinions out of it, and let's just look at the data. If the data says 14 days is the guideline, if there is virtually no increase in the indicators, could you argue you're doing better than anticipated and open faster? Sure, you could, and that be a reasonable ah theory based on the numbers. But let's keep it on the numbers. Let's keep it on the facts. That's all I'm saying right down the When you break down the numbers too far, I don't know how reliable they are. Remember this whole system that we're now putting online? This has all been developed in the last two months. None of this existed or this daily reporting by hospitals reporting by nursing homes reporting by testing sites. So the fear is, if you get too granular in the numbers and the numbers get too small, I wouldn't really feel comfortable in their accuracy when you stop to when you start dis aggregating them. But that is not my field. That's geo statistics, which I never even took. Uh, so I just want to make sure, But that assumes that the county data is reliable on a daily basis, and as someone who knows what many of these counties air doing and how they're struggling, Uh, I wouldn't say I wouldn't put it up and say it is reliable and I would count on any given day. That's why I say on all these numbers from day one. Don't take any of these day to day numbers, uh, as gospel, because this is just a reporting system that is still being developed. So take them more with a grain of salt, the business businesses, you someone come in and be that kind of watched all to see that some of these precautions are being taken because I think there's kind of a level of different precautions that some people think they're supposed to take, that others are taking and please whether facemasks are, well, first, the the guidelines of the guidelines. The rules are very specific. Their online, it says exactly what an employer needs to do. An employee needs to do what curbside pickup is that an individual should social distance, distance expedient. An individual should wear a mask when they're not in a position to socially distance or me, not socially distance. So the rules are clear. I think enforcement compliance is done by the local government. Um, and we have talked about that a number of times. You have public health people who will be doing the enforcement. Some localities used police to do the enforcement. That's up to the local governments. And also, I believe, uh, New Yorkers shouldn't force it. You know New Yorkers should enforce it because this is all about us. This is not really a government function. This is about people working together to achieve a greater goal. You know, I wear a mask to protect you. You wear a mask to protect me. It's my respect for you. It's your respect for me, how these rules are complied with. If they're not complied with, more people get infected, the infection rate will go up and then you'll see AH, necessary reduction in activity, which hurts everyone. So that's, you know, that's how we don't get really, really last questions. Because why? I think it's important based on what I understand is that the state moved the date for that spikes from basically the beginning of the operate on May 15. Based on what I've been reading, that changes the date that Western New York would have qualified by at least 10 days that we were still least 10 days off. You give a little clarification as to what exactly did move and how much that change when this region Uh, yeah, I don't know anything more than I told you. A three day rolling average is a three day rolling average going back three days from today, right? That's a three day rolling average, and, uh, we have numbers for what that three day rolling average must be. So today is Monday, Sunday, Saturday, Friday. That's the three day rolling average. It's based. It's based on the last three days and what we've been very clear on was that once we hit May 15th as soon as a region met the benchmarks, they could enter phase one. So the time reset. On May 15th which was the end of the pause the last three days, Western New York met the benchmarks, the numbers that I gave you, the negative six on the hospitalizations in the two on the deaths for the three day rolling average, which allowed them to enter phase one. That number can never exceed 15 or five, respectively. So I think that's where the confusion is. I don't know you above my pay grade. It's on the net change in daily spike. It's not not exceeding at all, like not from a baseline of zero is the negative six and hospitalizations in the two in deaths I have so many contact tracer yesterday, Governor said, were 352 short great work of our county. Executives identified the bodies within the county's county Executive City. You came up with contact traces scrambled. Every region has a number of employees who they're going to make available contact tracers and the other really are individuals from various counties. Participating people who work in county public health departments, county social services. Even in Niagara County, we have 50 sheriff set of unidentified. So we've We've really enlisted the public servants from the five county region. They have stepped up. They've been participating from the very beginning. They take a four hour training course and to be ready to launch shot tonight, you too can be a tracer. Second jobs, you think? Are you concerned about whether there could be a longer or anything against?