House takes up three veto override votes
The House has four veto override votes on its calendar, including three to reopen various businesses and hold social activities during the pandemic and one related to state gun restrictions.
in the courtesies. The gallery to Sarah Homes from Hyde County. Who is the set? A magistrate for the second Judicial District? Would you please stand so we could walking with us today? Thank you so much Represented Lewis Recognize Sent forth Committee report. Cookery Listen. Lewis rules. Colin operates in the House committee report. Centerville seven or six Education changes Military connecting students Favorite House committed substitute on federal Senate Committee access to sinking me. Substitutes placed on the unfavorable Counter House committee. Substitute countered and without objection, today's counter. So ordered. Members of chair We're gonna take up that one bill that was just added first, that is the tech water leaves the clean. Tech corrects Bill. Believe it passed unanimously out of rules. I want to go and get that over to the Senate to them So I wouldn't call ups in a bill. 76 corporation Instead of the Brown Senate bill seven or six. The building. The entire active make taken clarifying and other changes to statues session laws. Jillson with alkaline index jumped from Harnett Resent loose. We're going to debate the bill. Second reading. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I B is I'll be as brief as I can. Members of this bill pages one through six does nothing but change. Department of Public Safety to State Bureau of Investigation This is that there requests of the departments and to be consistent with the law. Um, Section two of this bill. This is also a ted. A technical change. It's been through the house before, Supported by the Sheriff's Association. Section three of this bill. This is at the request of the North Lana Pissed Management, Assoc Asian Oh, and the Wildlife for Resource Commission supports the supports. The change Section four has been through the House before. It's to clarify what in eligible fire Fire Fire header is section five. Uh, this would. This just clarifies the Roanoke Rapids Lake Unattended equipment provisions that we passed in 2000 and 19. Our Section six of the bill clarifies protect protection off information for expert expunge mints off the victims of human trafficking. Section seven of the bill would allow for legal assistance employed in district attorney offices to access certain juvenile delinquency Information. Section eight of the bill This is a minor technical fix it as the word and Section nine requires hunters who harvest a black bear to submit at least one pre Moeller tooth from the bear to the wildlife for resource could mission. This is supported by the wildlife resource. Could mission. Section 10 gives additional time for the Wildlife Resource Commission to complete restoration work on the Madam, Mesquite Lodge and Hyde County. The funds appropriated for this purpose have are there and have not been Spence, not knots. Not more money. It's just more time. Section 11 of the bill This is the only provision that's not been through the house yet. It is supported and requested by the lottery Commission. It codifies the current practice, the current practice. You all know how we say it's a multi state lottery. They already have the authority, the authority to enter into agreements with other states, but not with, say, us take her toys or the or the district off cola habia This would let him do that. But that's all this bill does, and I would respectfully ask for your support. Thank you, Miss Speaker. What purpose? Late from Guilford was in here? Sunrise to ask Bill, sponsor question Represent loose German. You. I do this yields. Thank you. Mr Speaker represent Lewis, actually, with reference to that last section that you spoke about. Section 11. I'm looking at the language in section 11. Be the change on line 42 where State iss stricken. And it just says any other government operated lottery I've conferred with staff, and it seems that doesn't just apply Teoh us government lotteries. But it could be any countries lotteries. So it seems like the language reads that any lottery it's legal in any country in the world could be operated by the North Carolina Lottery Commission. And then I didn't know that received any discussion in your rules committee. It seems like a troubling aspect. Thank you. Well, thank you for that question. Representative. That did not come up again. This is at the request of the commission. I am told by the commission that this would just codify what they're already doing. And again, the examples they used were like the U S territories and the District of Columbia. But you ask a valid question. Can't respond. If this would bar them from Internet, something with a foreign government or not, it does it. It would appear to do that that was not the intent of y. This was proposed. Represents. Think of the German. A person dies. Police. Four purpose. Does the jumper from Lakers and John Ross see if the rules chair will yield to question? There is a loose German. You? Yes, sir. It yields representative leaders. I have to ask about the revision requiring Moller from the bear. Did you explain to ration down behind that place, Representative John? The entire amount that I know about this provision and the hunting of Bear has already been exhausted in my explanation off off this summer position. That's why I asked the question. I believe the dental society probably asked for it. Just to be clear, this is something that the wildlife resource could Mission has asked for. I was told it had been through the house before. I'm very sorry. I can't if you'd like. I try to get staff on the floor and try to get you a little bit more of a direct response. Thank you. Think of a spear for purpose. Jump from browser groups in Valle arrives. That's the sponsor. Question was always Gemma Neil. I do heels Lewis. I just have to ask this question, I would have asked it in committee had I been in committee. Um, online games in Section 11 is in addition to what's going on out online games or is that existing language? I'm sorry represented Section 11 about the gambling online games Line 40. There is no change to the current law. This is what the law says now. All this does is makes clear that they can enter into agreements with other government operated lock. Or is it doesn't create new games or allow new games full of German. You? Yes, sir, feels so. The only changes more cannot state and adding government operated water yesterday. What purpose? Jumping from comparisons in a shipment arrives. Miss Big, if I may, I'd like to offer an answer. Represented John's question. John was recognized to speak to the speak to the bill represented John. Here's by understanding. The Wildlife Commission has been asking bear hunters to submit a pre moller from a bear that they kill for study purposes. Learn more about the bears. That sort of thing apparently haven't gotten a great response to that, and so they're going start requiring it so that they get Maura these teeth Centeon from bears that were killed to increase understanding of the bear population. So that's about the best I can answer. They haven't had, I guess, enough cooperation on that. So now they're going to require What purpose does the lady from Yancey represent? Presnell rise. But he has four debates. Kinda Bill? Yes. Thank you. Um, that pre molars identifies the age of the bear. That's all we want to tell you. Thank you. What purpose? Away from Randolph Resident Early rise to ask. Representative saying that question place everything saying does the jumping you are you heels? Everything was saying on that part 11. There was a lot of controversy about the lottery commission planning to do the instant scratch. All she could do at home. Is this changing anything there? Would this still allow that without any, um, oversight from us, Reverend early? I will be honest. We had I don't know, the answer. That question that no one from the lottery is approached me about the scratch offs and regards to this legislation. So I don't I don't think anything changes with this Onda. We would still have oversight if that were the case. but I just I just don't have an answer for you. Okay? Thank you. Represented Hurley, the chairs. Glad to take the question. I think it looks like in the chairs reading it just changes states to jurisdictions and multi state the multi jurisdictional, I can tell you that the chair was represented, that this was all technical in nature and was not substantive. Further discussion. Further to make, if not the question for the houses past of synovial seven or six. On second reading, those in favour will vote on those opposed. But cork weapon of it. Fisher I all tree all tree I cork will lock the machine and record the vote. 107. Having voted in the affirmative and seven of the negative Senate bill seven or six passed a second reading will the objections of no climbing that question for the House passage of Senate bill 76 haunts. Third reading Those in favour will say I I suppose now the eyes have it. Senate Bill seven or six having passed third reading its order sent to the senate by special messenger members on motion of representative specially chairs. Happy to extend the courtesies the gallery to Steve Tyson, who's the former craving county commissioner and currently the Republican nominee for the third District, to take that seat in the fall. This choice McGee police stance that we could welcome. Thank you Penguins today, sir. House Bill 6 52 Corporal Reading Representatives Torbit on Louis House Bill 6 52 Second Amendment protection at your simple nor climbing the gentleman from Qatar. But Representive Adams is recognized for emotion. Yes, I move that the House bill 6 52 2nd Minimum Protection Act notwithstanding the objections of the government be passed. The German has moved at the House to override the veto of the governors to house Bill 6 52 And the gentleman has four to debate the motion. I'm gonna read, uh, Governor's comments. How feel six feet to enact, provide that person who has a concealed carry handgun permit may carry a handgun on educational property that is the location of both the school and a place of religious worship. And to enact the Second Amendment Protection Act of 2020. His remark waas This bill allows guns on school property which threatens the safety of students and teachers. He didn't mention the fact that it would be guns carried by people who have a concealed carry license or otherwise allowed to carry a concealed weapon. Let me talk to you a moment about concealed carry. It's been around in North Carolina for about 25 years. It has been a considerable amount of study done on the impact concealed carry laws across the country. And generally speaking, come fact, almost unanimously, it has reduced crime. One of the things about concealed carry there's no one really has to carry a gun. No one has to brandish a gun. The fact of the matter is, it's purely about deterrence. My kids went to a school. It's similar to what we describe here was at a church, and when they were in school, it was a school, and when it was a church, it was a church. They weren't the same. The activities were entirely separate. Different, and that's what this proposes. Also, the bill proposes that the church chooses to to post the property as no Carrie. That can do that. But let's face it, folks, there have been and I think you've probably seen the letter for Mom, but Creech have been quite a number of church shootings because where you do not have concealed carry, you created target zone. You create a free fire zone. Almost. That's where people go to schools. They'll go to churches to create, create mayhem, conceal carry is a relatively simple thing to do. No one has to carry a gun. Just the mere fact that a law abiding person with a concealed carry license, maybe at the facility is enough to deter bad actors calculation. They go somewhere else. They don't go there. My church is back home, and particularly the one where my kids went. They would very much like to have this think churches across the state would like to have this, and the thing about it is, no one has to know. One has to do anything, assumes this is enacted into law. The bad actors. I won't go there. They'll change that calculation. They may go somewhere else, but they won't go to that church. Frankly, this is about his common sense as it gets. This really is common sense, and if we enact this law without knowing it, you may be saving lives immediately because someone doesn't act. I strongly support this. I hope you'll consider it. It's a very good thing for our state, and I think it'll give a lot of comfort to a lot of people. I come from the real estate industry, and I could tell you that women, the real estate business, have really been pleased with the ability to arm themselves when they show houses and buildings. And this could be give the same amount of conference people who the 10 churches. So I hope you'll vote for Thank you. What purpose does The lady from Guilford represented? Harrison rise to debate the motion, but he has four. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the house, I'd like to speak in favour of sustaining the governor's veto. The current law prohibits concealed firearms at all schools, including places of worship that haven't associated school. And this is to protect the Children and create this. This bill, if the veto is ever written, would increase the risk of serious injury to school Children. There are many documented instances the firearm owners accidentally leaving their firearms behind on school grounds and restaurants, classrooms, Indonesians, This bill also, if the veto has ever ridden legitimizes further expansion of weapons at schools but chipping away at the prohibition of guns on school property. It also weakens North Carolina's concealed, carry permitting system by making it easier to renew a permit without an in person farm safety and training course if renewed within a certain amount of time. It also allows on duty emergency medical services personnel working with law enforcement to carry conceal if they meet certain criteria. This will just expand the carriage of guns in places where they shouldn't be, and the others are going to speak to other points there Problematic about this legislation. If we override the governor's veto, I urge you to sustain the governor's veto. Thank you. What purpose? The gem of comparisons into Pittman, Rest speaking, most German has for think of the speaker, um, church, that I serve this woman fate one weirdo because we don't have a school meeting in our building. But there are churches that it will effect who I think should have just the same right that I have to carry at my church. Um, with the permission, my orders. I'm always armed on Sunday morning and pull but and at least one other members, armed or maybe others. I encourage them to do so. Um, I know a lot of people were shocked by the idea of having a good church, but there have been a lot of shirt, church shootings. Some of them are just because people hate the church. They hate Jesus. They don't, uh, the name of Jesus maintained anywhere in this country. Some of them are because of racial motivations. There may be other reasons. Um, the people of God should not be left defenseless on Sunday morning. And we're not talking about doing this during school time when schoolchildren are meeting at the school. That's at the church we're talking about on Sunday mornings when the school is not in session was just the church there. And I'm gonna tell you, I wish that some of those people in some of those churches where these incidents have happened had been armed. Maybe if the persons who perpetrated these things had had an idea that somebody in the church might be armed, they might not have done what they did, and at the very least, the carnage could have been limited if somebody there had been armed and have been able to stop the person who's doing the shooting. You know, the next to last thing that I ever want to do in my life is to aim my gun at another human being and pull the trigger. But the last thing I want to do is allow member of my family or a member of my congregation to be killed by somebody who does come in armed because I or someone and that building was not prepared to stop it. That must not happen. And we don't need to discriminate against churches that happened to offer their buildings during the week for schools. We don't need to discriminate against them. We need to allow any church to be able to make the decision to defend their membership from such an attack. So I asked you to vote. Override this veto. Thank you. What purpose does the lady from Durham Ribs Inamori rise to debate the video? What lady has four? I just think it's amazing in the middle of a pandemic when hospitals air over crowded when we have tens of thousands unemployed, were debating a gun bill, This isn't anything about protecting the second amendment. It's about eroding North Carolina's sensible laws to keep guns off of educational property. We're creating another loophole that the church is there. Let's let carry concealed Come on the church property. So what do we have? We have people entering what they think is a church service. Who knows how many guns are being concealed. And then you have one person who's deranged, who stands and wants to shoot, and then you have 8 10 other people drawing their weapons is the wild Wild West. How many innocent victims can be killed in the crossfire? Even the accuracy of police trained shooting is well under 40% accuracy. And now we're saying, Let's let civilians come into a place of worship in a school, carry their guns and take on responsibility that only trained security guards or law enforcement should have. This isn't about protecting the Second Amendment. It's about eroding sensible gun safety. I don't buy into the myth, and neither do the fax that a good guy with a gun can take out a bad guy with a gun. All it does is increase the length ality and the risk to everyone in that place of worship or school. We have sensible gun safety laws. We need more. I urge you to stay in the governor's veto. What purpose does the gentleman from hired hours and McNeely rice to debate the motion? German, as for I'm gonna have to agree with representative More. Uh, this is this is more like a perfect public safety bill. To me, this is not a gun bill with this chair. Otherwise, I tell you what HB 652 doesn't do. This bill doesn't increase the amount of guns or it doesn't increase the amount of concealed carry permits. It doesn't endanger students or teachers, as it says in the bill, because we're talking about different times. It list perfectly that anytime curricular extra curricular activities were going on. But there'll be no guns allowed at this property that's owned by a church that has a school. And it doesn't endanger lives because select Pampuro have to be trained to k these guns. What this bill does dio is it allows law abiding citizens to legally protect him sales. What this bill does do it will deter violent, unlawful people from preying on government. It lee unprotected people. This bull does do it will take the target off the back of lawful People who were called in a legislative loophole have actually endangered these congregations more than your regular congregations because we brought something toe liked that they're actually being separated from the other churches. I can have people k concealed and protect him, So we've actually created a public safety hazard. We've endangered these congregations because now, as I always say, people that go in, shoot up a church and kill people, they're not stupid. They're just mentally crazy. They'll figure out where the easiest target is. That's what they do. This is something I don't know. If you've been asked not to vote by your side or been told not the boat or commanded not debate, that's none of my business. What I don't want you to think about is this. Maybe not right now, because there's a pandemic. But maybe here in a month or two, when you're able to go to your church and you're able to set in it and you've got a secure detained and you've got men or women that are trained, that may have far arms on them at your church because it doesn't have a school that you're trying to teach Christian principles at. So you're safe. Your kids, your grandkids. You're pretty safe at your church with that church that you didn't vote toe override this bill. They're not that saif. You put them in harm's way. I have this, let's say and I like to say these days, I just want you to think about that. I just want you to think about what you've done to these people that you're not doing to yourself. Probably what purpose they made from member groups in a car crash to debate the motion. But he has for first I want to point out that the Second Amendment is not at risk. And so a bill to protect the same Second Amendment really isn't necessary. North Carolina has been fortunate to not have a large mass shooting where dozens or even hundreds were shot. This is because of the gun laws that we have that were pointed out earlier. But chipping away at our gun laws like this bill does does not make us safer. There all laws we can pass to keep our community safe and church keep law enforcement safe in the line of duty. Keep our Children safe at school and reduce suicides and deaths from domestic domestic violence that this bill does not do that. Background checks, safe storage laws. A red fag law would. For these reasons, I ask you to sustain the governor's veto. What purpose? The jump from Wayne Rivers of Smith Russ Debate Motion. German has a four. I am an absolute supporter of the Second Amendment on the United States Army veteran. I am a concealed carry permit holder. This bill has nothing to do with any of that. This bill is about encroaching on what is already a good law. There's no church that I know what that's prohibited from having individuals in its congregation carry a weapon. No church that I know of. But the school issue is what we're talking about. We keep saying churches with its about schools, and at the end of the day, if we want to treat, that's the to the same. In my humble opinion, But we need to do is for those churches to higher law enforcement trained law enforcement personnel to come to their school sessions when they're in school or to their church sessions. When are you having it in a school, The same way we do with all of our public schools here in the state of North Carolina. That's common sense. That's a compromise. That's a way forward. But it's not an either or proposition. We do have options. And if any of these schools want to hire a trained law enforcement officer, they're welcome to do so. There's no law prohibiting that. And I want everyone to consider this as we go forward. It's not about the Second Amendment, and it's absolutely not about concealed carry. This is about common sense, and I support the governor's veto. What purpose? Jump from Beaufort Ribs and Kidwell Rice speak on emotion German has before. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I've heard here today that this is not about the Second Amendment, and I agree with you 100%. It's not about protecting the Second Amendment. It's about protecting the lives of citizens. It's about protecting people when they go to church on Sunday. It's not about schools, because the bill specifically states when the facilities being used as a school, you cannot carry a gun. It's not about the schools people. It's about church. It's about when people go into the church to worship their Lord, that they're not gonna be attacked like we've seen happen several times. And I want to note that when that has happened. Two recent incidences where both shooters were stopped by the good guy with the gun. One of them was trained security officer Down in Texas, he was the third person with the firearm to show up. We didn't have a shootout at the OK Corral like everybody's talking about. Three people stood up to defend the people in that church. The 3rd 1 finally got his shot in and took out the shooter. That would have been a mass killing. That man not had a gun with him that day. Matter of fact, I can tell you he used a six hour, 3 57 wise choice of a weapon. We had another shooter that was taken out as he exited a church where he did commit mass murder and he was stopped by that good guy with a gun across the street who ran out of his house with his M 16 put eight rounds in the magazine because he was keeping it empty in his home and then chased the man down after it, shooting seven rounds and finally with the eighth round, who was able to take out the shooter and his car was stopped, and he was not able to go to another church and kill more people. This is not about defending the Second Amendment. It's about defending people, statistics show. Time after time, look it up. It's available widely on the Internet. Statistics show, without a doubt that when armed people are present, mass murderers don't show up. It's that simple. FBI even puts out a report to that effect. Every shooting organization out there can show you that information, and it also comes through us through colleges and universities. When people are armed, mass shooters don't show up here. We have protection armed police officers all around this building that we want to afford ourselves. But we won't give that same protection to the people who go to church on Sunday. I think that is just a dereliction of our duty and our responsibility to the people that we serve. You talk about the deranged shooter. This is the same argument that was had years ago when concealed carry permits were put into place in North Carolina. I heard time after time after time. So we're gonna have the shootout at the Golden Corral. I was told by a psychologist over in Washington, North Carolina, that never materialized. In fact, North Carolina's prime rate went down because we have concealed carry permits in North Carolina. Again, the studies support that fact. Each and every time I ask you emphatically to do your duty to protect those that you serve to protect their rights, to protect themselves and to vote to override the governor's veto of this very critical bill to allow people to defend themselves. Thank you. What purpose does the gentleman from our Del represented Fraley? Rice debate motion. German has the four. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Uh, you know, when it comes to bills that relate to, uh, guns in any fashion, Uh, I'm probably one of, ah, last people that stands up to talk about something like that. Top. However, over the course of six years, I've looked at all of these bills and, uh, I thought Okay. What's logical? What's common sense? Uh, what are things that need to be done. Uh, I remember a number of years ago. Representative adultery representative Ted Davis and I, uh, were singled out, uh, with the grassroots North Carolina folks for supporting representative McNay along keeping permits, uh, for handguns with the local sheriff. Uh, I recall, uh, being involved in debates here as it relates to, uh, not eliminating, uh, training or lowering the age for someone to get a concealed carry permit. So I say those things in light of a fact of trying to be careful and logical, um, bills such as this. I think this bill is careful and logical. It was originally introduced by Representative McNeeley's predecessor, representative Ring A Turner. Uh, I supported to build at the time. Uh, I don't think there's anybody that has been on this bill that you would say is not careful and thoughtful about what they're wanting to do as it relates to situations like this. This is not a bad bill is something that helps a public and I think helps people in these churches. And I would ask for your support. Thank you. What purpose? The jumper from nationalism. Galliard drives to debate the motion German has for Thank you, Mr Speaker. Um, how does one of us weigh in on behalf as a pastor? Um, you know, there's not a whole lot of passes on the floor, but there enough of us. And you may not know this, but North Carolina, with the exception of Texas and Florida, have more churches than any other state in America. Now, here we are debating supposedly a bill that has something to do with churches and nobody's asking pastors. Um, so since I pastor a church and since I passed on the largest churches in the state, let me just kind of weigh in on this. This has absolutely nothing to do with church protection. You come to my church on a Sunday morning with a gun, you're very likely you probably won't make it off our campus. That is typical of most churches. You think about it Sunday morning, 11 oclock. Everybody knows when the money is coming in, so if a person is going to do some type of damage, had a church, they know exactly one to come. It is unfortunate that so many people are manipulating the truth list after list of church shooting. Think about that church shooting, not school shootings, church shootings 99% of them happened on a Sunday morning or a Wednesday evening. When you have worship and when you have Bible study, almost none of them ever occur when schools are going horn. So one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. You look at lists upon lists of how many churches we have in the state of North Carolina. All very few, a single digit percentage of them even have schools. And so this is really just political ploy. It has nothing to do with guns and kids and churches. It has to do a partisan politics, and it is unfortunate that we have reduced ourselves to that point. And what's more important is that we've reduced it in the name of Jesus and the Church. How you live with that, I don't know. We should support the governor's veto on this issue. And maybe as legislators, let's start talking to stakeholders before we put our names on bills. Thank you. For what purpose does the jump from Craven represent specially Ross to speak on the bill German as before, Man, I was hoping I could get out of here without having to speak on anything. But it was not to be. It always interests me when I hear somebody say, You know, I support the Second Amendment but if you say I support the Second Amendment, but you don't support the Second Amendment because there is no but and I don't get my gun rights from the Second Amendment, I get him from God. So let's talk about the churches I've heard this has nothing to do with church protection. We've had churches shot up, gentlemen, that just spoke you as a pastor have the right to keep people from carrying, conceal on church property. That's that's That's right. You don't lose with this bill, but you as a pastor also have the right to allow them to carry on church property with this bill and you bet you this is about partisan politics. This is about people who support the right to defend themselves and people who don't. It's always about partisan politics, and that's the shame of it. And I want to remind everybody in here of what I said something a week ago, or whatever it was, we were here last to look up it's your name up there and remember who it is you're representing. You're not representing yourself. You're not representing your personal feelings. You're representing the citizens of North Carolina. So ask yourself, what are the citizens want now? I'm fortunate I go to a church. We don't have a school. There is a small church. But they've got a couple of signs on the front of our building and it says concealed carry is permitted. Please see the pastor for permission to bring weapons onto the premises. Thank you. And that less people know if you have concealed care and you want to carry just let the pastor No, now that pastor has the right. If this bill passes to change that or even if this bill doesn't pass, he has the right to put another sign up and replace that with one that says no concealed carry allowed. But if you put up a sign like that and if people know you can't carry on certain properties to include churches, what happens? Those become the targets. In 1995 when they came up with the concealed carry law in North Carolina, the predictions were going to turn into the Wild West and is going to be shootouts, and it's going to be people just shooting everywhere and good guys with guns. We hear that excuse good guys with guns or not. We're going to protect anybody. But I got to tell you, if you do some research, you'll find out there's about 2.5 1,000,000 times a year guns. Air used to save lives and property 2.5 1,000,000 times per year projections in North Carolina, where that 250,000 people were going apply for guns. At first year that concealed carry was was authorized 250,000. It took over 10 years to hit that 250,000 mark. All the projections were wrong. All the naysayers were wrong nationwide less than the last time I checked. And it was about a year ago, less than 1/2 of 1% of all gun permits that were revoked were revoked for anything having to do with a gun. They had mostly to do with them people doing something else that caused him to lose the right to carry. So people carrying guns concealed, concealed carry holders they're not the problem. They are not the problem. They are actually a solution. If you, Google and I challenge you to do this is to Google, uh, and find out how many times and you can find it. Everything's at your fingertips. How many times that schools have had somebody run out to their truck or their car and grab a gun out of the out of it and stop somebody else that had a gun. Vice principals, who seemed to be seem to be the ones all the time that do it in violation of school laws around the country. They still keep guns in their car, a lot of them, but they've stopped a lot of things. They've stopped a lot of violence. They've stopped school shooters. But you don't hear about that because it's not part of the agenda that's driven by the mass media. The bottom line here is that churches, whether they have a school building on it or they don't have a school building on it so long as there's no schooling going on, should have the right to allow people to carry on that property. The school building is irrelevant if there's no kids in it. And right now the law is unfair. And we don't like unfair laws. The laws unfair. It says Church A that is small that doesn't can't afford to have, ah, school building on his property can allow people to carry so they could be safe when they have their Sunday services. But church be who is in a position to be able to teach kids and have a little property have a school on it cannot carry even when there's nothing going on in the school. They cannot allow people to carry on that property. Because of that building has nothing to do with students. It has to do with the building. It's an unfair law that this bill corrects That's what this bill is about correcting an unfair law. And I ask every one of you to think about it and support this override. For what purpose does the gentleman from Randolph represent? McNeil rise to debate the V to overrun German has the four. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Fellow members, I think probably everybody in the chamber has already made up their mind how they're gonna vote, But I just want to make one point and then share a experience that happened in my church this year. Uh, the governor's veto override is one sentence, and I will read it to you because it won't take long. The bill allows guns on school property, which threatens the safety of students and teachers. Therefore, a veto the bill. Simple problem is this bill does not allow guns on schools were Children and teachers are so I don't understand why he vetoed it because the Senate's that he put in there the reason it was Vito and it is not true. But anyway, probably not gonna change your mind. But that's the fax. Read it earlier this year, a couple months ago in my church, where the gentleman come in. And, uh, it was, ah, warm, warm day. He was wearing a heavy coat and he came into the congregation and went about halfway down on the right side and stood there, and he kept getting up and leaving and coming by and leaving. I'm coming by acting suspicious, nervous, Whatever finally left before the service is over, Um, one. The gentleman told the next police officer, retired police officer in our congregation that Hey, I believe that guy had a gun in his waist, man. So we didn't see the guy for a couple weeks and he came back. And when he came back, a couple people recognized him and started asked him some questions and talking to him, and he got nervous and left. And he went across the street to another church. And our ex police officer, retired police officer, called the local police department and they found his his truck at a church across the street and stopped him when he left. And hey, he charged him with D W and carrying a concealed weapon. He had a 45 and we're really sure that he carried that into our church a couple of times. He was from Virginia, which is around the hunter miles from our church. We have no idea why he drove 100 miles to come to our church with a loaded gun after being drinking. So that could have been your church. That could be any church. This is a true story. Our church doesn't have a school. So many of us in our church carry concealed. So had he done something, he probably maybe it would have been a shootout. Atocha ground. But I doubt it. Uh, but otherwise it would have been a shooting and a fish barrel. Because if people in that church Hatton of Hungarian concealed weapons, he could have shot until he run out of ammo and killed numerous people. This is a good bill. The governor's veto makes no sense because his one sentence Vito is not true. So it's a good bill. I recommend it to you. I think you ought to vote green, but I'm probably not gonna change anybody's mind. Thank you. What purpose does the gentleman from Forsyth represent? Montgomery Rice Speak on the motion German has. The four members of my comments today are less and reference to the true merits in the debate about is this good policy on bmore about concern about where we are in this moment, as as a pastor of a church smaller not as largest revenant gal years and one older congregation after Charleston, we hired a police officer come to be at our church as an elected official serving public and community thought it was necessary. Toe heightened attention on and everyone doesn't always agree with me so I could make some people upset. I thought that was necessary. And so we think about safety and churches and congregations. I'm very concerned about it, and and I believe it's something we should attend to. But the fact is, right now, in this moment, I can't truly sit here and say that best what we're doing because this is not about whether or not we're trying. This vote today is not about whether or not we really want to protect school, protect schools, protect churches, protect Children. It's not about that conversation at all, because the fact is is that we already know has it already been stated? Folks have a pretty good sense of where they're gonna vote on the other side of the hour. There's not even the basic votes. Even if you got seven on this side toe, override the governor's veto. And as if I can count on both hands, how many times I've watched bills come to this floor that we're not going to succeed, So the question then becomes, If we know this is gonna fail, why are we voting on it? And it is because we want to get on record. People voting for against this bill because of an election. If you want to deal with protections of churches, let's deal with that. Let's talk about how we protect our churches. Let's talk about the merits of what we need to do to make sure people are safe and congregations. But that's not what we're doing in this moment. We've had individuals on our streets protest ing about injustice in our community, and we've had not one new bill come to this floor to vote on to do that. But we're voting on this today. This, to me is not about really dealing with the public safety of our folks. If you want to do that, let's debate it. Let's deal with it. I'll sit at the table and have a conversation with you about it. But that's not what we're doing in this moment. What purpose? The German from Union represent Barbra's to debate the override. German has the four. Um, ladies and gentlemen, I really appreciate the debate. I was sitting back and listening, and I think I understand what the confusion is. Um, listen toe representative Smith and represent galley or talk about. Maybe we can hire people. Teoh Sheriff's deputies are active law enforcement, your small church. You may not have that option. Uh, I, a wise person told me wants and to read the bill, um, that we're debating because the bill doesn't match the debate that we've been talking about. Let me start off and let me read you the baby, it says, allow handguns on religious properties with a school. What we're talking about. Our churches with school functions on their property are disallowed. Represent Gail Yard said that that can already happened. Look at Wednesday Night services and Sunday services except for these churches who have during the day, school functions are not permitted to have handguns on there like other churches. That's the reason for this whole bill, and it's not started for a political purpose. It was come out of a need that represented Turner, who's not even with us any longer. That's how long has been working on this is to correct that loophole that other churches enjoy, that if they choose to allow concealed capper weapons own there property, they could do so if they don't they simply post a notice. But that is not available to churches who also have a school function on there, and that's exactly let me read for you. The bill it says here of allow handguns on religious property with the school and says number two the educational property is located. His location both the school and a building as defined, is a place of worship, and the weapon is a handgun. For the handgun is on leap resisting, carried on educational property outside of the non public school operating hours. A non public school operating hours are the times when curricular or extra krilic curricular activities are taking place on the premises and at any time when the premises air being used for school sponsored activities. So this bill already buffer Cates the school functions and disallows carrying weapons during those times. And when it's religious times advance, it allows the same protections that other churches enjoy. Number five. The person or persons in legal possession or control of the premise have not already posted, have not posted a conspicuous notice prohibiting the carrying of a concealed handgun on the premise of churches air stealing control. But I think there's a misconception about what we're talking about here. These churches do not have that right to carry simply because they have a school function. Now 12 of my colleagues have voted for this bill the first time it came through. Appreciate the bipartisan. This is common sense, Bill. Ah ah, don't think I'm not a cynical and thinking that this is politicized at this point. It really is about that. And to say that that church is air not at risk is a myth. As early as of December, the end of December 2019 there was a tragic shooting from Charleston to taxes. Churches are steel at risk. 20 19 December, a gunman in her church in Texas shot to the church's security teams before being killed by another member who was a retired reserve deputy sheriff and stop further killings. However, if you hire a person ah, Sheriff Deputy as active, you can have those people there. But the moment that that person retires, they could no longer volunteer for their churches. And I don't know about you, but my church, the volunteers, that life blood of my church and the volunteers. We we have more volunteers than money, and what happens is you have disappointed the opportunity to these churches to protect themselves and to simply say, churches are not at risk. Churches are more at risk, unfortunately than every time before in my life. So what I would ask is what represent gay are actually described is what this bill does is during times of school. There's no weapons carry on the religious properties with school function. However, during those times where their schools are not in session, it's up to the churches to decide. And this is a very common sense. Reveal the rest of the bill doesn't very interesting things. It allows certain law enforcement's facility employees to carry weapons as well. So anyway, I just wanted to point out the fact that that it takes it should read the bill about what's going on. 12 of my colleagues voted for it before. It's still the same Bill Andi. I would urge you to Really, let's not. Let's not mix up what this bill really is about and make sure we understand it, and I'd ask for you to steel vote to allow this bill to come all because it's a common sense approach to protect and churches. Thank you. What purpose Jumper Khatab was in Madame's arrives to pay the motion of second time German has before. You know, the governor's reasoning for override has to do with the fact that he's concerned about schools and guns, and this is really not about schools. This is about churches and guns. However, I presume that is concerned about schools and guns with regard to this bill is that a gun might be left behind at a church facility that is later used for a school. Now I would submit to you that in all likelihood, a youngster would have a far greater probability of getting his hands on a firearm at home that he would a church school. But let's look at some statistics, and this is from the North Carolina Violent death Reporting System. When we look at in this most recent data from 2017 when we look at the number of deaths ages five through nine from accidental firearms, the number is one ages 10 3 14 the number zero ages 15 through 19. The number is two, so for a total of three accidental deaths by firearms statewide in 2017. So if that's the issue, it's the statistical probability of this happening at a church school is extremely low now about the Wild West argument. If a church or a facility of any type is posted, no firearms, the bad actor knows that law abiding citizens won't have firearms there. If the facility is not posted it all, he may suppose that there are no firearms there. But if you allow concealed Carrie, if you allow concealed carry at a facility, even though no one has a weapon there, he knows someone might, and it changes his calculation. And that is what we call the Terrance. And that's what this is about. This is not about arming people. It's not necessarily about guns being at the church. It's about the changing, the calculation of a bad actor, and it works. Statistically, it's very clear that it works. I could go through. I could give you all kinds of information about that. But I'm just saying to you folks, this has been around for a while. It was mentioned that this this bill was filed some years ago. Um, we were in a time of rather unusual duress in our society. People are frightened. This for is factually. Do ministers want this well I can think of three. I can think of three that I know personally, who strongly would like to have the ability to at least say that concealed carry is available with their churches. But they have school facilities not not used during the church times, and they can't allow it. So I want you to think about this. I hope you will help. Seven of you guys would come along with us. This is a This is a good thing. Thank you. What purpose? Jump from Caldwell represented Hall rise to debate the motion. German has four. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Colleagues. I didn't plan to speak on this bill today, but I guess it's the lawyer in me. After listening to the debate, I felt compelled to speak on it because I think we need to clarify what the issue actually is in this bill and what the facts actually all because it's apparent that a lot of the members debating the bill I had not read it, or at least they hadn't done it thoroughly. And if you look at it, it's the The operative part of this bill was less than one page, and it makes it clear that we're on Lee talking about outside school outs. Simple is that the bill does not apply when school is in session. It specifically exempts that this bill is about churches church who has an educational institution on their campus that it only applies during non school hours. It's a simple is that it seeks to make a church that's on educational campus or returns. It has an education component to to be put on equal ground as all the other churches in our state, because they can already have concealed carry inside the building puts him on the same ground. So now that that's clear toe, the other thing that I I think we need to clarify is some math. Because if you look at this bill when it came through the first time, 12 of my friends on the other side of the aisle voted in favor of it. If you look at the numbers here today as I understand it, we need 69 votes override this veto. Today we've got 60 folks out of here on our side of the aisle, and I think just if not all, just about all 12 of my friends on the other side who agree with me on this bill. And I'm sure you all still agree with me on this bill because nothing substantively has changed. He voted for it previously, and so here's what it comes down to today. It's not like these other bills within voting on where, you know, unless some of my again my friends on the other side had a change of horses. It's last time it's gonna fail. No, this bill is going past today. The override is goingto happen today. So long is all the folks over here on this side vote the same way they did before, and I expect they will. And so, along with my friends on the other side, who voted for it previously, but in favor of it, we're gonna override. And so for my 12 friends on the other side who voted in favor of it previously, my question is what's changed and what you've got to decide here in a moment is whether you're going to allow Governor Cooper to tell you how to vote. But whether you're going to stay consistent and vote on a bill on a bill that hasn't changed, at all that you voted in favor off to put all churches on equal ground in North Carolina. For those of you who changed on this boat, good luck to you explaining that to your voters. Because I'm appear for the folks in my district. And I don't care who the governor is. He didn't tell me out of boot. You've in favour the most. What purpose of jumping from Cumberland represented Floyd rise speakers to see if Rufus Cheer majority leader with your four questions represent Willis, Germany Aldo question show. Uh, yeah, that's the room chair. I think that everything that has been see it has been seeing, and I think that the speaker will not allow me to make a motion. So this particular time I plea upon you to do that, sir Speaker Man General may offer motion Gemma's recognize Formacion move The previous question. Jim is move the previous question on House Bill 6 52 Those in favour the motion will vote out those opposed of it in a moment of it. Fisher No all tree. No, no. Cork will lock the machine and record the vote. 67. Having been in the affirmative 47 the negative the previous questions adopted. There is not an opportunity for Buttle time on this being a neighbor, I question. Therefore, the question before the body is the motion that House Bill 6 50 to become wall, notwithstanding the objections of the governor and the veto there for wherever over written, all those in favor will vote on all those opposed. Will Vote No Corp 11 of it. Fisher No All tree. No, I wasn't Russell care to vote on a bill. Cork will lock the machine and record the vote. 66 Having voted in the affirmative 48 in the negative, The motion fails, the Senate will be so notified. House bill 806 The Corporal read. Represent sane and strictly House Bill 86. Open exercise and fitness facilities. Jim. Some of your climbing next jump from Lincoln represents a ribs. Insane recognized promotion. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House passed House bill 86 Open exercise and fitness facilities, notwithstanding the objections of the Germans move that House bill 86 become all notwithstanding the objections the governor of the veto ever written German has four to debate the motion. Famous speaker. First of all this, this bill that you have before you today was it was a redo way. Had a good debate about this on the floor. The other side that was an opposition, pointed out some of the issues that they thought would make this bill something that they couldn't support. We went back and conference. It was on June 26 took that language that everyone said they agreed with, or at least a majority of the body at that time. Said they agreed with Andi. Put it back into this conference report in 806 and the vote on June 26 with 75 or 31 we had 14 people absent clearly enough for a veto override. This is a rational and pragmatic approach. Again, it comes from listening to those that were initially in opposition. It is a plan. Not only does it address the physical health of our citizens, but it also addresses mental health issues to as many folks are really cannot wait to get back into a a either indoor or outdoor exercise facility, gyms, health clubs and fitness centers. They just want to get back into a somewhat normal way of going about their business. A lot of folks need that physical therapy and other issues that they're used to getting, So the bill is very simple. Here's what the bill does. It's the establishment. It looks at the establishments, and it allows them a total indoor capacity that is limited to 40%. All employees answer health questionnaire and their temperatures taken daily prior to work. All employees wear face masks, except when actively bleeding a group fitness class or win outdoors and socially distance. All members and visitors are strongly encouraged to wear face masks. It gives us a prescription for even H V A C standards. A Z gyms open up sanitation spray bottles with disinfectant or disinfectant wipes are required and that they be available throughout the establishment. Hand sanitizers sanitizer stations are available throughout. The establishment also gives you know employees instructions on a 24 hour facility or whatever hours. Air open as far as routine cleanings of equipment and so forth also gives some prescriptions for cardiovascular and weight training equipment that it's used in a manner to ensure social distancing of at least six feet. The bill goes on rules for studio in group fitness classes. It also puts some restrictions and prescriptions on if you have on premise child care. How how we go about that. So the bill is pretty simple. We got a great vote again. It was 75 to 31. We changed the language to address those issues that folks have pointed out and allowed them to support the bill. We had a great vote on it. I think this is again a very pragmatic approach to this issue. We've all agreed upon it. I just heard you support the veto override. Thank you. This figure What purpose? Jumped from oranges in my rice. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I'd like to ask for a moment of personal privilege and then the ability to debate the bill. Gentleman has the four for both purposes. Thank you, John. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Colleagues. I just want to use a moment of personal privilege to thank all of you. Reached out to me to ask about the health of my daughter after her covert diagnosis. I'm very pleased to say that she is now covert negative, and I was able to see her for the first time in about a month this weekend for my birthday, which was fantastic, thank you. I do want to warn you, though, that what I have learned from having actually go through this is that this is no flu. This is a serious respiratory illness and actually has some kind of lasting lung damage from it that we're not sure what that IHS. Hopefully it's temporary, but from the doctors that we've talked with, it's just not clear with Covic how long the lung damage that people have lasts. She's 28 years old, young enough to hopefully overcome some of it. But I've been trying to explain to people who have asked me about her to say that this is more serious than just a common flu. And I just think it's important for those who don't know anyone who's had that, you understand how riel and lasting the impact is. I wish I could say that she's young, she survived, and now everything's gonna be okay. But I'm glad she's covert negative and able to get back to work and able to be with her family. I continue to be worried about her and anyone else. That has was lingering effects. And Mr Speaker, if I may continue to speak to the motion. German has four. Thank you again, colleagues, for your support on that, I want to ask us as we take up this motion and vote on this motion to actually look ahead past, today's veto overrides. My guess is that we're probably going to sustain these vetoes today, and we're in a win lose position battle between the Legislature and the governor between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, where when it comes down to votes like this, there's a winner and a loser. But on covert right now, there's no winners. There's no winners on health care, and there's no winners in the economy. And there's no winners in government because we're all struggling to know how to surprise to address something like this. And I did read one article last week that made me for the first time think that maybe there is a way through this where we can all work together and figure out a frame that is different than the do we reopen, or do we stay closed? Argument, which is also to MIA? Winners and losers are in the concept that was introduced with the idea of a virus exposure budget. And just like your household budget, you've got enough money to spend money on. Prioritize some things, but it means you can't spend money. You have to de prioritize some other things. And it pushed us to think in public health policy to recognize that until we have a vaccine, we're not gonna be able to just keep everything shut down. But we're also not going to be able to open everything up that somehow we have to figure out if we're going to have limited exposure for our residents. Who is it that we are okay with exposing? What do we want to prioritise in terms of opening and in exchange for opening some things, we're going to have to keep other things close in order to limit our exposure budget Now, I would say, and you can disagree with me, and maybe you think Jim should be the first priority of what we would open in in our budget. But I would say that schools would be the first thing that we should open. I think getting our kids back to school for their good and for the good of their parents. To be able to go back to work is the number one thing we should do. But if we do that, if we spend our covert exposure budget on schools and we're going to have to not spend that budget on something else like gyms, and I hate that for the gym owners, and I hate that for my own physical health and ability to work out in a jam. But until we have a virus, I think that concept of a budget may be the place where we can have mawr back and forth and figure out what are we gonna prioritize? Where do we go? How do we help the people of North Carolina make it through this until the vaccine is here? And we can move on to whatever our new statuses, Thank you colleagues for further discussion for the debate for purpose, Jump from wake rooms in Jackson, Speak on the German has before. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Hesitant speak after represented, Meyer said. That was great remarks, but I've heard it mentioned in the last debate, and I heard it mentioned again today about prior boots and things and So I think it's important that we talk about what has changed since June 25th. You know, as policy decision makers, decisions we make have real world consequences and even sometimes life and death. And as fax chains, I hope we change our opinions. I hope we're not wedded to our partisan view so much that way. Don't recognize that when facts have changed. Today, um, we have more cases than we had on June 25th. We have 1435. Nuke over darkness is cases. Today we have more hospitalizations. We're now up to 994 a new record today and the fifth of record in the last week. We have 21 more deaths from now at 1441 and in another week or two we're gonna pass more desk the covert than we've had in the last 11 years. Total for the flu. Um, just last night I looked it up that as of 9 p.m. When the John Hopkins website there were 58,146 new krone case fire says, uh, positive cases as of 9 p.m. And I hear a lot of people say, Well, yeah, but that's Arizona or less Texas that South Carolina and that's Georgia. And those are states that were full speed ahead. They reopened, and unfortunately, in my opinion, they're citizens are now paying the price. On June 25th we had 1000 and nine new cases that day. Since then, we were averaging 1500 new cases a day. That's a 50% increase, 50% in less than two weeks. Again, we've set five different records for hospitalizations since the last vote. Some ports, you might call with your port where you live. You might call your hospital when they might be doing just fine. But others they're at capacity. They're at diversion. They're already moving people to other hospitals. They're preparing for Serge contingencies. But they still want you to come to the hospital if you're sick. And when I spoke to my local hospital about their numbers and everything, the one thing they wanted me to say is, if you're in a report pain, you feel like you're having a stroke. Don't avoid the hospital. They won't. You come in and they're scared about that because there is a downside of people being scared to go to hospital. So they want to keep the situation where they can handle every emergency where they can treat everyone. And they want us to do our pork. And whether that's wearing masks are opening up a little slowly. The hills. Our public health experts tell us that G. M's and other indoor activities where people were exercising or breathing heavily are very risky activities represent. Mayer talked about his budget. The Texas Medical Society or association put out a chore. A flow chart this week and when I have no, just on that is many of things we're talking about reopened, and we're in the red at the very bottom of the chart, the most risky situations. And I understand these businesses that feel left out of face, too. But I ask you, what are we supposed to do? Just ignore the science? The best scientists in the world learned something new about this virus every single day. Should we tell them to quit studying it? Because we're not gonna listen to what they come up with, that we don't need more facts or data that what we knew about this virus or what we thought we knew in March and April is good enough. I say Let's respect the science. Let's listen to these experts. Let's keep the riskiest activities closed. Since our view vote a few weeks ago, we've enacted a mass wearing requirement. The site says that that will help. I'm hopeful in three or four weeks we will see that to be true. Since our vote a few weeks ago, G. M's and many parts of the state of our many parts of the country have started to close back down, some of closed because of new statewide bands, others because of city bands and some gym owners have recognized the dangers to their clients and recognize that they can't make a profit. With only a few people coming in every day, no state or city or county with a record number of hospitalizations in cases is reopening GM. Right now, nobody is even talking about it except North Carolina. Things were getting worse in this country, particularly in the Southeast. I know we all hope that with heat and humidity, we would be spared the worst of this and that we might not have a resurgent or a great number of cases until the fall. That is what I was. But just a few miles to our south, look at South Carolina, where cases and deaths and hospitalizations or surgery the governor of West Virginia, a Republican, is weren't warning his citizens to stop going to Myrtle Beach because they keep bringing covert back to his state. Let's not get to that point. Let our beaches let our business is down there who were doing things the right way. Let them continue to stay open. I know it's difficult for gym owners and other business owners who are not allowed to open. It's also difficult for those that are open and under reduced capacity or who losing money because they have no customers. We can sit here and take votes to open each and every business here in North Carolina. But until we control this disease and rebuild consumer confidence, business activity will not come back. Those folks just aren't gonna come back. I hope you had a chance to look at some of the consumer confidence and the polling that's come out in the last few weeks that tell you how the people in North Carolina feel about this because we talk often about that about how our people back home will. According to the Elon University poll, 79% of our current were say that our