Wake County Schools

Wake school leaders offer alternatives to teacher tenure law

Posted March 24

— Wake school leaders want to change the new teacher tenure law, but they have to act fast.

“We have a small window, 30 to 45 days,” said school board member Keith Sutton, referring to the number of days before the General Assembly is in session.

School board members unanimously voted earlier this month for a resolution asking state lawmakers to repeal legislation eliminating teacher tenure in return for pay raises for a limited number of teachers.

The pay provision, included in the state budget last July, is aimed at rewarding teachers based on performance instead of having a tenure system that authors of the law say "fosters mediocrity and discourages excellence."

On Monday, board members suggested a few alternatives, including a possible career path for teachers using a peer evaluation or national board certification to grade educators.

“A combination of high expectations, autonomy and periodic accountability,” board member Bill Fletcher said.

Sutton believes mounting opposition to the new law will convince some legislators to listen to alternatives. School districts across the state have passed resolutions asking to repeal the law. The N.C. Association of Educators, along with Durham and Guilford schools, have filed separate lawsuits against the measure.

"Members of the General Assembly have heard from teachers in their district, superintendents in their district, principals in their district,” Sutton said. “We understand what you are trying to do, but just in terms of implementing this law, here are some potential flaws."

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  • "Screen Name-8/20" Apr 1, 6:09 p.m.

    I don't see why anyone should give up something they already gained by working for it, and IMO - it's shameful for someone to ask them to.

  • Pensive01 Mar 25, 4:28 p.m.

    Actually the current legislature took away the higher pay for having a higher education degree... View More

    — Posted by Pensive01

    and for some reason, everyone forgets to mention the counties, including Wake give their teacher... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Once again, only telling half the story. Taking into account county supplements, teacher pay in... View More

    — Posted by concerne1975

    it doesn't matter, The point is if you teach for the money you are in the wrong profession. Do... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Just as a point of clarification but that starting salary for people hired by the RPD is for those who are meet the minimum standards of only possessing HS diploma or equivalent. That does not take into account any cost of living increases or raises that apply after training. The starting pay for a teacher with a 4 year degree is only $30,800, irrespective of what the any of the counties add as a supplement. Since the legislature, not the counties, sets the pay for teachers, it's rather pointless to highlight just the one county to bolster your arguments for not granting a raise without considering the other 99 counties. I'm not sure what your intent was in bringing in a superintendent's salary, as that is not mandated by the legislature in any way. It's rather like blowing off a factory workers wanting a raise based on how much the CEO rakes in.

  • Pensive01 Mar 25, 3:56 p.m.

    Funny, I don't remember getting to vote on the law. I do remember more Democratic votes being... View More

    — Posted by stymieindurham

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but even with the democrat majority drawing the maps in previous years, the republicans were still able to get majority control of the NC House in 1995, gain equal control with democrats of the NC House in 2003, and gain majority control of the entire legislature in 2010. So while districts were gerrymandered it wasn't to the degree to where it would have prevented the aforementioned events from occurring. When the maps were drawn by the democrats, based on the 2000 census, where it was likely that the odds WOULD have been slanted that badly, the State Supreme Court threw out those maps and had them redrawn in a more reasonable manner. I recall the events clearly due to the fact that the election was held quite late due to the ongoing court battle over the maps.

  • mikeyfan5600 Mar 25, 3:48 p.m.

    You keep forgetting it is taxpayers who pay the teachers, not some corporate entity. And you... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Actually the current legislature took away the higher pay for having a higher education degree... View More

    — Posted by Pensive01

    and for some reason, everyone forgets to mention the counties, including Wake give their teacher... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Once again, only telling half the story. Taking into account county supplements, teacher pay in... View More

    — Posted by concerne1975

    it doesn't matter, The point is if you teach for the money you are in the wrong profession. Do you understand that? No one gets rich off taxpayer money. People don't spend careers in the Military because it makes them rich. And yes teachers make more than those serving our country and protecting them day in and day out. BTW teachers make more than most of your police officers do. And the serve a whole lot more people than teachers do and they work weekends, and Holidays, Do teachers? Police officer in Raleigh Starting pay for a Raleigh Police Officer is $34,281.59 up to $52,793.64 Teacher in Raleigh (Wake County) 35,189 to 62,353.60

  • concerne1975 Mar 25, 3:18 p.m.

    Its not tenure that most teachers care about. Its the fact that they make no money and most of... View More

    — Posted by ammpgm

    You keep forgetting it is taxpayers who pay the teachers, not some corporate entity. And you... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Actually the current legislature took away the higher pay for having a higher education degree... View More

    — Posted by Pensive01

    and for some reason, everyone forgets to mention the counties, including Wake give their teacher... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Once again, only telling half the story. Taking into account county supplements, teacher pay in NC ranks in the bottom 5 of the country. Please read my posts from earlier that prove this.

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 2:23 p.m.

    Funny, I don't remember getting to vote on the law. I do remember more Democratic votes being cast for our representatives, but due to gerrymandering we still ended up with a Republican majority.
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    You having a hard time understanding a post? Gerrymandering was OK when the dems were in office but, now it's UGLY?!!! Which is it gonna be???

  • mikeyfan5600 Mar 25, 2:19 p.m.

    Its not tenure that most teachers care about. Its the fact that they make no money and most of... View More

    — Posted by ammpgm

    You keep forgetting it is taxpayers who pay the teachers, not some corporate entity. And you... View More

    — Posted by mikeyfan5600

    Actually the current legislature took away the higher pay for having a higher education degree... View More

    — Posted by Pensive01

    and for some reason, everyone forgets to mention the counties, including Wake give their teachers more money than the state minimum. Why is that forgotten? We get taxed by the state and by the counties to pay teachers. And wake county pays it's Superintendent around 100K more per year than the national average (high end) of all Superintendents. I love how these things are so conveniently forgotten. Example a teacher in NC between 0-2 years makes 30,800 per year, Wake County bumps that up by $4,389.00 making the starting salary for a teacher 35,189.00 So what these teachers aren't telling anyone is the extra pay they receive based on the country they work in. We didn't hear from them with a Democrat Governor and Assembly, now they want to play the woos me card. If you do this for the pay, then you are in the wrong profession period.

  • Pensive01 Mar 25, 1:50 p.m.

    The N.C. Association of Educators, along with Durham and Guilford schools, have filed separate... View More

    — Posted by stymieindurham

    Perhaps "this time" you'll grace us all with exactly in what way the NCAE is a union? By exactly I mean what specific activities does it do that makes it different from groups that lobbies on behalf of it's dues paying members, one example being the NRA.

  • Smilester Mar 25, 1:46 p.m.

    Wake's school board is going to please teachers by trying to go back to the old thinking of all... View More

    — Posted by djofraleigh

    Wake School Board realizes that they will have a hard time finding qualified teachers in their... View More

    — Posted by Smilester

    If you are looking for a job and if State A taxes you $10,000 more a year then State B, why... View More

    — Posted by 2loudtc

    Did I mention taxes in my comparison? I know for a fact that NC charges higher taxes overall than any of our neighboring states do. That's why our gas prices are higher than our neighbors. That's why the cost of living in NC is also higher. Try again please.

  • matt_wood Mar 25, 1:40 p.m.

    "Actually, you see tenure in MANY other fields, it's just not called tenure, it's called "career... View More

    — Posted by Stilllearnin

    First, I am not a teacher, but I have lived with teachers, have teacher friends, and supervise former teachers who recently left teaching because of the current GA. 80 hour weeks is not unheard of. They arrive early and stay late (usually without lunch - gotta finish those lesson plans!), and take their work home with them EVERYDAY. The teachers I've lived with always left home before me, got home way after me, and stayed up late way past me, all for their students. And they don't work only 10 months - there are mandatory work days, training sessions and such that happen during those student breaks.

    As for career status, lots of companies employ that, including my current employer (I'm in the IT industry). Many companies enjoy 5-year career status contracts that give their employees autonomy and stability, many often times generating a greater ROI for the company. It's not hard to find business cases for this that show the amazing results.

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