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Efforts to change unemployment overhaul fail in House

Published: 2013-02-04 15:21:00
Updated: 2013-02-05 05:16:18

House Democrats came up short Monday night in several efforts to soften legislation that would slash jobless benefits as part of an overhaul of the state unemployment system.

The House voted 78-41 to give tentative approval to House Bill 4. A final vote is expected Tuesday before it moves to the Senate.

The bill cuts the maximum weekly unemployment benefit from $535 to $350 and replaces 26 weeks of state-paid benefits with a sliding cap of 12 to 20 weeks, based on the health of North Carolina's economy. It also slightly raises unemployment insurance taxes on employers.

Analysts said the changes, which would take effect July 1, would help the state repay $2.5 billion to the federal government three years faster than leaving the system unchanged. North Carolina borrowed the money to pay jobless benefits during the recession when state taxes paid by employers couldn't keep up with demand for benefits.

Rep. Paul Luebke, D-Durham, called the bill unbalanced, saying workers would lose $2.7 billion in benefits over the next four years while employers would pay only $24 million in extra unemployment taxes.

"Workers are taking a major hit," Luebke said, calling the benefit cuts "indefensible."

Rep. John Blust, R-Guilford, said that comparison fails to note that the federal unemployment taxes continue to rise on North Carolina employers until the debt is paid off.

"If you want to create more unemployed in the future, just try not addressing this problem some more," Blust said, calling the bill "the best solution out of a bunch of bad solutions."

The Republican majority was able to defeat amendments by Luebke that would retain a 26-week cap on benefits, by Rep. Paul Tine, D-Dare, that would raise slightly more in taxes to set the maximum weekly benefit at $425, by Rep. Kelly Alexander, D-Mecklenburg, and Rep. Deborah Ross, D-Wake, to revise the formulas for determining benefits and by Rep. Duane Hall, D-Wake, to restore benefit levels once the federal debt is repaid.

Bill sponsor Rep. Julia Howard rebuffed each attempt to change the bill, saying that the issue comes down to allowing employers to use their money to create jobs or having them pay taxes with it.

"If you who campaigned on creating jobs in the state of North Carolina, this is the No. 1 bill that you're going to have this year," said Howard, R-Davie.

"To say this is a jobs bill when all it does is cut unemployment benefits is a bit disingenuous," said Rep. Joe Sam Queen, D-Haywood.

Rep. Winkie Wilkins, D-Person, asked to delay the changes to the system until January so that people who have been out of work for months wouldn't lose their federal unemployment benefits.

A bill Congress passed on New Year's Day to avert the so-called "fiscal cliff" extends the federal benefits through the end of 2013, but changing the state unemployment program voids that provision of the federal law.

Luebke noted that the state stands to lose more than $600 million by ending the benefits early to an estimated 80,000 families, adding that most of that money would go directly back into the local economy.

Blust said people still have five months to find jobs before those benefits end, and Rep. Robert Brawley, R-Iredell, said it's time "to stop worrying about the downside of everything."

Although Wilkins' proposal generated the most debate of the night, it failed like all of the others the Democrats offered.

Earlier Monday, worker advocates and members of the Legislative Black Caucus railed against the proposal, saying it would devastate families dealing with job loss and would end up costing the state money.

"People on unemployment are not lazy," said Beth Messersmith, campaign director of North Carolina MomsRising. "(They include) parents trying to care for kids who need those benefits."

A majority of North Carolina's unemployed are out of work longer than 26 weeks, so cutting the length of state benefits to 20 weeks doesn't make sense, Messersmith said.

Doug Dickerson, state director for AARP, said older workers take 13 months on average to find a job after being laid off. He called for lawmakers to make more "reasoned decisions" instead of taking "draconian steps" too hastily.

The Legislative Black Caucus also criticized the quick movement of the bill, saying the changes under consideration need more debate.

"Let’s slow this train down. It’s moving too fast," said Rep. Garland Pierce, D-Scotland. "The consequences because of this legislation are going to be dire, especially in our communities where people are already having a hard time with no jobs."

Noting the loss of federal jobless benefits, Rep. Rodney Moore, D-Mecklenburg, said, "It’s a travesty that we’re cutting this lifeline so drastically at a time when we’re just beginning to recover."

Fourth District Congressman David Price even weighed in on the debate, sending a letter to the General Assembly asking them to delay the bill so that federal benefits could continue through the end of the year.

"Now is not the time to abandon tens of thousands of North Carolinians who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own and who stand to benefit from federal policy if their state government does not stand in the way," Price said in the letter. "Nor can our state, with an unemployment rate of 9.2 percent, afford to remove the projected $650 million in economic activity that would result from these benefits this year."

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Good move, the economy has turned around. Companies are hiring once again, time to get off the couch and get a job.

Lets not put pressure on the Dems for a better economy.

"Good move, the economy has turned around. Companies are hiring once again, time to get off the couch and get a job." uscnnc

That's why the recent numbers show unemployment increased last month, right?

Lets not put pressure on the Dems for a better economy. dirtydozen.

So the GOP here has no responsibility for unemployment figures in NC? Seems like they were in control of both houses for the last 2 years and overrode most of what Perdue vetoed, and the ones they could not override had nothing to do with employment. Of course, fracking and oil drilling off the coast will save the day.

It has to be done, plain and simple. Nobody wants to tighten the belt and do without those cell phones or that cable TV, heaven forbid we have to watch just plain ole TV again or better yet, none at all and give the brain a rest from all the junk we are bombarded with.

And what about all that food? Well anyone ever heard of gardening... if you can grow grass in your yard, you can surely till it up and plant a garden if you are hungry, right??? if not, well hungry might be okay for you.

Just get busy and learn how to live with less and do more to take care of yourself. Sure a little more work, but work never hurt anyone that I know. :)

"And what about all that food? Well anyone ever heard of gardening... if you can grow grass in your yard, you can surely till it up and plant a garden if you are hungry, right??? if not, well hungry might be okay for you."

Not everyone has space for a garden. Some may rent and are not permitted to grow one. Also, unless you have a greenhouse, you're not going to put fresh food on the table 12 months out of the year.

I love the assumptions and answers that so many people have.

It should have been done sooner and all these extensions should never have taken place. I have had people tell me they were not going to look for work because they got paid more in benefits. Yes I have a job. I got ESC benefits all of 3 months before I found a job. I saw 3 companies this weekend that had signs out front announcing they were hiring. The jobs are out there. It is time all these "give me" "give me" people be taken off the bottle!

So glad I am no longer a resident of NC! I can not believe that the people who are elected to protect the citizens are cutting a very important lifeline. It's hard enough for people who are forced to rely on unemployment benefits (which pays at most 60 ish % of their original income) and now it'll pay appx 42%. Wake UP! Fight back.

from a personal standpoint, unemployment is a life line to many of out here who took the big gamble of getting government and university pushed higher education with the free wall plaque included, now find themselves in obligation for life to uncle sam. degress are a dime a dozen in this area, depending on your major it might take a while after a layoff or a hiccup, unemployment allow many a chance not to fall into poverty, most of us married or had children, hey why not, we had a degree, unemployment hold many of those families together, even the ones they take the child support from, if anything take should take the money from the higher education PR campaigns and the ever expanding industrialized universities, where unemployed alum can even afford basketball tks, intelligent people as i are gonna survive w/wo unemployment checks, but there are lots of people out there that went for the promise, goverment pushed and the "we'll need this many ... in 5 years" of higher education and th

OK, like I said I can live with this.

Now tell Duke Energy it can't have its increase till the State UE rate is 5%.

I work for a construction company that called some employees back to work and they refused the work because receive more from unemployment than they do in a paycheck after taxes and court ordered deductions. Unemployment should not pay more than working pays.

And what about all that food? Well anyone ever heard of gardening... if you can grow grass in your yard, you can surely till it up and plant a garden if you are hungry, right??? if not, well hungry might be okay for you.

Not all who are unemployed have the space to garden. I agree that belt tightening must be done, but it now up to those of us who have a little to give a little to help each other.

I know how you feel. I was once a paralegal myself. I got tired of being laid off like that and switched careers. I am much happier now not having to deal with that kind of stress. Best of luck to you though!

Be Careful of What You Ask For!!!

Ok great you are cutting unemployment, now how about a jobs bill instead of going after the gays, fracking, denying science, and banning certain portions of the female breast?

Finally a government working for the people of North Carolina. Time to rid this state of the freeloaders who never intend to get a job until the well runs dry. The well will being running low pretty soon now, a good sign for hopefully a reason for deadbeats to get off the couch and go to work.

I own a small business employing 12 FT employees. Rep. Julia Howard states, "The issue comes down to allowing employers to use their money to create jobs or having them pay taxes with it."

She is wrong! We don't use our money to create jobs!! We create jobs when we have more business. I don't care what my tax rate is, I am not going to create a job unless I have the business to fund it. I would much rather have a strong economy in NC and pay more in taxes then pay less in taxes with a weak economy. My store is in Raleigh and I am thinking of opening another in Wilmington. I will factor in Rent, Cost of Labor, Cost of Supplies, Insurance, and Potential Business in my decisions. Paying a few dollars more to fund unemployment insurance will not have be given 5 minutes of thought.

Wake up people making less then 75K, the GOP is screwing you and claims it is to help small business. It is a lie, none of their policies help me and none contribute to hiring more staff.

Heavenly

Most of the people I know on unemployment dont spend their benefits on cell phones and cable TV. To bad the guys we sent to Raleigh could care less. A lot of people are going to wind up having to leave their homes and go across state lines hoping to find work. Pat McRory ran as a moderate republican and turned out not to be so. This hurts the unemployed and small businesses who cant afford any tax increase. I see a lot of them moving out of state. Goodbye NC economy.

To all you haters of unemployment - just remember you may be the next person to lose your job. Then try finding a job when they aren't any to be had. You complain about social programs - well that is where the unemployed will go next. Food stamps, utility assistance, monetary assistance. You going to cut those next. I cannot believe that many of you believe the unemployed like being that way. For many of us we have advanced degrees, years of experience and now after having worked all of our lives, we have to depend on state programs like unemployment. Shame of the legislature for being so short-sighted about all of this.

"Rep. John Blust, R-Guilford, said that comparison fails to note that the federal unemployment taxes continue to rise on North Carolina employers until the debt is paid off."

We can't have the tax rate of the companies that are laying people off be increased, that would make sense.

Corporate profits in the US have SOARED compared to the rest of the developed world while unemployment has remained very high.

Republicans don't seem to get it, companies aren't hurting, they are thriving, they are laying people off or not hiring because they know they can squeeze those they have left. The people that don't get laid off get squeezed mercilessly because the company knows they are afraid they are next.

Quit footin' around and get it done. There is much else to do and this is a distraction.

A DISTRACTION??? A DISTRACTION??? People who have been laid off are NOT lazy!!!!!!!!!!! A very large percentage are "non-executives" with lots of education and experience.

To think I've worked 30 years just to have some Republican call me lazy????

This headline is poorly written. I had to read the article to figure out what was meant. It would have been more clear to say efforts by Democrats fail to . . .

Hey, WRAL, how about the headline, "House succeeds in putting the State on a financially responsible track". I agree with some of the other posters that I've had to drop down a level or two, I've had to move, but I have always found a job. Hey, you 2 year mooching unemployed bums, if you can't find a job, TAKE a job.

"OH NO!!! If Nanny is not going to take care of me I'm going to have to get a...a...a... JOB! WAHHHHHHH!!!"

Unbelievable, no, wait, we are now controlled by republicans. Be prepared to suffer.

"So the GOP here has no responsibility for unemployment figures in NC? Seems like they were in control of both houses for the last 2 years and overrode most of what Perdue vetoed, and the ones they could not override had nothing to do with employment. Of course, fracking and oil drilling off the coast will save the day."

You are so right!

Always want to cut things for working folks... How about cut the length you can be on welfare also not be able to expand your family for the time you are on the program. Every year on the program will be an extra year before you can retire. Not expand the age for working people.

I have to live on less and still work about 60hrs a week. Someone not going to work can figure out how to make due on less .

It seems the Economy always is on a downhill slope and is bad when democratics are in office. look at history, jimmy carter times were horrible, bill clinton times were bad..... democraatic party should be changed to the socialist party, cause thats what a majority of it really is...

Legislative Black Caucus???????????????? makeadiff

As compared to the "North Carolina Women's Legislative Caucus" and others, but this is off the topic of this thread.

Here's an idea - let's send our legislature to Washington! Finally some politicians with enough intestinal fortitude to do something unpopular to restore fiscal soundness. That aside, all the people I knew personally who were collecting unemployment turned down perfectly good jobs because the difference between the net pay of those jobs and their unemployment benefits wasn't enough to get them out of bed in the morning. Their unemployment benefits ran out and viola they had jobs within about a month!

If you can not find a job after a few weeks, you nedd to take what you can find and STOP living off the tax payers

so really.. the unemployment overhaul passed.. way to go.. no more freeloaders earning 6 figures trying to find a decent job, they'll finally be forced to get a job bagging groceries and losing their homes and not being able to pay tuition for those girls in their family who are draining the poor governor's resources from good jobs that the unemployed men would have making 6 figures.. um.. this kinda circles as if going down the drain... kinda feels like that's how NC is going too.

But you'll still be able to shop at Art Pope's rock bottom stores.

Let's not forget, the Private Sector is doing just fine!

It's time to compile a list of all the republican legislators that are basically stealing your money by denying you unemployment which YOU have already paid for.

We need their names and their personal addresses. They are feeling a bit too insulated from reality. Best way to effect change is to let those in power, that are STEALING your money (if you've had regular employment, know they can be reached.

I have an idea...How about we only pay these politicians as much as the max that unemployed people make...that would save a ton of money

Something has to be done. We are borrowing 25mil a week from the federal government to pay for unemployment benefits. As a business owner, I am concerned about the increasing unemployment taxes because they have not said how much it will be increasing. That increased cost will have to be passed on to my customers.

It seems the Economy always is on a downhill slope and is bad when democratics are in office. look at history, jimmy carter times were horrible, bill clinton times were bad..... democraatic party should be changed to the socialist party, cause thats what a majority of it really is...

mom2threecld ------------------------------------------------------------ ----

Let's see...you seem to forget Herbert Hoover and ...oh, yes...George Bush...who brought on respectively The Great Depression and The Great Recession. Both Republicans.

History can be *so* inconvenient.

If things are better as all you softeheaded Barry supporters say it is, whats the big deal? Barry got us out of the ditch right? Things are great right?

Always want to cut things for working folks... How about cut the length you can be on welfare also not be able to expand your family for the time you are on the program. Every year on the program will be an extra year before you can retire. Not expand the age for working people.

One way to save welfare would be to set a slid benchmark on income. then, appoint a task force to go through each and every welfare recipient and put their income against that benchmark. If they meet or exceed that benchmark, then they are no longer qualified for welfare. They owuld not have to pay anything back, but they would receive no more benefits. Cut out the people on the rolls who do not need it and we can save lots of money.

Typical Republican plan - stick it to the people who are most vulnerable - the ones who have been laid off through no fault of their own.

Voters will remember this in 2014.

McCrory's cabinet got a raise going in. Guess they didn't have to prove themselves in their appointed positions to get that raise. While I do believe the system needs some tweeking, I would love to see McCrory and his cabinet live on the maximum of $350 a week. Those who "have" will always take away from the "have nots" because they are in a position to do so. 99 weeks of benefits was exhorbitant to begin with.....it's a main reason NC has so much to pay back now. I know there were individuals who were ligitimately in need of the support, but how many just sat back collecting free money while not actively searching for a job?

ryderted- You said--- It's time to compile a list of all the republican legislators that are basically stealing your money by denying you unemployment which YOU have already paid for.

Maybe you should know what you are talking about. People drawing unemployment NEVER paid a penny into it. Their employers did and they have not paid in enough per employee for them to get 2 YEARS worth of unemployment.

This article seems pretty biased towards the Dem side of things. Which I guess should not come as a shock -_-

Ultimately, it is a tough situation and there are no perfect answers. I do think that helping our overall economy will be good and study after study shows that people have a habit of finding jobs when their unemployment runs out. All this money that supposedly will help the economy is largely a fiction b/c it is our own money just being recycled back to us. That's all tax dollars are. If we want money going to help the economy we needs jobs and *cue scary Jaws theme* profits.

Some may point out that unemployment is a tax paid for by employers. Personally, I've played this game. Unemployment is paid for by employers AFTER they've deducted it from your real salary. It is STILL a tax on the employee. It is just forced planning.

Quote of the day: "Rep. Paul Luebke, D-Durham, called the bill unbalanced, saying workers would lose $2.7 billion in benefits over the next four years while employers would pay only $24 million in extra unemployment taxes."

WORKERS WOULD LOSE $2.7 BILLION IN BENEFITS - how can a worker lose a benefit, if he is working? Typical democrat thinking.. The way I look at it - NC tax payers will save $2.7 billion in benefits.

It's time to compile a list of all the republican legislators that are basically stealing your money by denying you unemployment which YOU have already paid for.

We need their names and their personal addresses. They are feeling a bit too insulated from reality. Best way to effect change is to let those in power, that are STEALING your money (if you've had regular employment, know they can be reached.

ryderted

and if someone were to say smehting like this about the other side of the isle there would be an uproar of call about racism, sexism, and lord know wwhat else.

btw, the money being used to pay unemployment has been borrowed from the federal gov't for quite some time now since the state funds ran out. employers pay for unemployment benefits, not the employee.

"If you who campaigned on creating jobs in the state of North Carolina, this is the No. 1 bill that you're going to have this year," said Howard, R-Davie...... well this is going to be a terribly year for sure then.

All the liberals are yelling we are in recovery and unemployment rate is coming down under Obama's leadership.

But, they want to keep unemployment benefits forever for anyone who does not have a job....something does not compute...

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