Raleigh, N.C. — Melissa Hodges' daughter didn't lose her health insurance after May's marriage amendment vote, but there was a scramble and some days of anxiety.
Hodges and her wife, Libby, were married in Canada in 2006, and their family were some of the faces used in the spring campaign against North Carolina's constitution amendment banning same-sex marriage. That amendment passed with more than 60 percent of the vote.
The Hodgeses worried that their 5-year-old, who is now in kindergarten and was featured in a television ad against the amendment, could lose her health coverage due to legal uncertainty created by the amendment.
As the U.S. Supreme Court takes up two cases related to same-sex marriage, Hodges says her family still faces a good deal of uncertainty about legal arrangements heterosexual married couples take for granted. Legal experts say its unlikely that the court's anticipated decisions will do much to clarify North Carolina's legal situation.
"It's frustrating," said Hodges, who recounted how the City of Durham removed her daughter from Libby's health insurance policy when the couple switched Melissa to health insurance offered by her own employer. That situation is now straightened out, but Hodges said she worries they're one legal opinion away from having to scramble to find a new insurance arrangement for their daughter.
Gay couples in North Carolina weren't exactly on the firmest of legal footing before voters passed the marriage amendment in May. A state law already prohibited gay marriage. The constitutional amendment is drawn somewhat broader, prohibiting any recognition of "domestic legal unions" other than marriage between a man and a woman.
During the campaign, opponents of the amendment argued that it would spark a series of unintended consequences. Families like the Hodgeses would have problems with their insurance, unmarried domestic violence victims could lose legal protections and courts could find it difficult to settle separations of gay couples legally married in other states who move here.
Thus far, very little of that fallout has come about.
"Six months is just way too short a period of time to sort out constitutional questions," said Maxine Eichner, a professor at the University of North Carolina School of Law who was one of the leading legal voices arguing against the amendment. State courts will have to grapple with the meaning of the amendment before a federal challenge to the law can be considered, she said.
Rep. Paul "Skip" Stam, a lawmaker and lawyer who pushed for the amendment, disagrees with Eichner on the potential consequences and harms of the amendment. But he agrees that there has been little practical effect so far.
'It was very much worthwhile," Stam said. "The principle problem at which it was directed was there were numerous state courts in other states that found a right for same-sex marriage in their constitutions. This stops that for North Carolina."
"And of course, I do believe it does stop cities and counties and the state from providing benefits on the basis of a purported marriage that is not defined in the constitution," Stam said.
Even that seems to have hit an uneasy status quo. Cities like Winston-Salem that were considering offering benefits backed off in the aftermath of the amendment. Mecklenburg County, which offered benefits to same-sex couples, still does despite the objection of at least one county commissioner. Attorney General Roy Cooper has been asked for an opinion about the programs, but thus far has not issued legal direction to the cities.
The UNC School of Government did write a memo on the matter, which concluded: the amendment "does not make any changes to the legal authority
of public employers to provide domestic partner benefits to its employees."
The major active lawsuits related to same-sex couples in the state are challenging North Carolina's prohibition against second parent adoption – only one parent in an unmarried couple can legally adopt here – but that case is still working its way through the lower courts.
As North Carolina grapples with those issue, the U.S. Supreme Court is looking at two marriage-related cases, likely to be heard at the end of March.
The first one, United States v Windsor, challenges a part of the federal Defense of Marriage law, or DOMA. In that case, Edith Windsor lives in New York, a state that recognizes her marriage to her now deceased wife. The suit questions whether the federal government can deny benefits or favorable tax treatment to citizens who live in states that recognize their marriages. Stam, Eichner and others say that, since North Carolina doesn't recognize same-sex marriages, any outcome in the Windsor case is unlikely to have an impact here.
The other case to be examined by the court is Hollingsworth v. Perry, which challenges the validity of California's voter-imposed ban on same-sex marriage. While that seems to be a parallel with North Carolina, the legal arguments and particular facts in the case may limit its impact to California.
"It depends on whether they make broad statements beyond what is necessary to decide the case," Stam said of the court. He and others seem to think that is unlikely.
"My best guess is the court will rule more narrowly," Eichner said, offering an opinion that echoes other legal scholars.
That would leave North Carolina's law intact, even at a time when other states are pushing the opposite direction on same-sex marriage issues. In November, six months after North Carolina's ballot measure passed, four states either rejected marriage bans or affirmed marriage rights for same-sex couples.
Whether that marks a sea change in the political and practical direction of the marriage debate is unclear. But it is undisputed that there are states that have created much more favorable legal environments for same-sex couples. It's a disparity Melissa Hodges said she and Libby considered following North Carolina's amendment vote.
"We did. We really did. But it's a big undertaking to move and find jobs for both us," Hodges said.
The couple just completed the training needed to become a foster family, and their daughter is already making friends in school. To boot, most of their family is in Georgia, so moving to a friendly state would mean moving even farther away.
Those practical considerations play out with gay couples throughout the state, said Jen Jones, communications director for Equality North Carolina, one of the groups involved in fighting the amendment. Jones said many gay and lesbian couples will choose to stay so they can push North Carolina to follow the other states that voted in November. And, she said, that's a conversation likely to go on for a while.
"No one has told me that whatever the Supreme Court does, it will be a magic bullet in terms of Amendment One," Jones said, referring to the commonly used name of the amendment. "Amendment One will be on the books for a long time."




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That is because you want this overturned. If you use rational thought you know the statement you were responding to is correct." ncouterbanks69
History is a much better predictor of the future than people's wants or wishes. That's rational thinking.
December 14, 2012 3:24 p.m.
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December 14, 2012 3:00 p.m.
I do as far as marriage goes yes. But we are FAR from equal outside of that as well. I can't smoke in a bar...even if the bar was owned by a smoker and he/she wanted it to be a smoking bar. Now that is lame and takes away smokers rights. Now you may not smoke so you will say oh but it hurts others. Well not if they don't come to that bar. The huge inequality is the lazy entitlement society that exists today both straight and gay. They live off the work of others so how in the heck is that equal? We are not a society full of equals so what makes this one so special? It is not except to those it will benefit, just like my examples below. Until there is more equality (true equality) in this country this needs to remain as is.
December 14, 2012 2:48 p.m.
this nonsense has nothing to do with equality.
December 14, 2012 2:31 p.m.
Sadly, that is not true.
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December 14, 2012 1:39 p.m.
Don't shoot the messenger.
December 14, 2012 1:36 p.m.
LOL....still sore are we? Domestic partnerships are scams trying to milk more money out of the government. No need for them either. Get married (even if "gay"), don't get married whatever. The great people (well some of us) of NC voted and we all know the landslide it was. Get over it. I am already over Obama having another four years and that is what we need to talk about if you want to talk about "d" voters.
December 14, 2012 1:31 p.m.
Exactly!!!!
December 14, 2012 1:29 p.m.
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December 14, 2012 1:20 p.m.
Oh, on the contrary. You WILL support homosexuality when the Supreme Court ultimately rules for marriage equality. It might not be next year, but I assure you that in the next few years you will pay your fair share, just as everyone else does for the benefit of society. I don't like paying for some ignorant bigot's child to go to school, but I do, because hopefully that child will become informed and learn to respect equality. I'm not gay, but I have a gay brother ( he is legally married in DC) I assure you that the change is coming, even to the South.
December 14, 2012 1:20 p.m.
LOL...the dumb ones votes against it.
December 14, 2012 1:19 p.m.
I do not have equality.....no one does. Fix the real problems to where that is actually possible and then there is an argument. Until then it is the right thing to do and it will remain in place as we both really know.
December 14, 2012 1:17 p.m.
December 14, 2012 1:14 p.m.
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19) Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27) Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17) Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
This shows you that it really is scary that people want to make the Bible part of the law. Not to mention it sheds light on why Christians are so overly oppressive to those who don't share their belief. Sick, sick, sick. It can also be said that any person who uses the Bible to justify beating a homosexual, is a hypocrite if he doesn't adhere to all of these laws.
December 14, 2012 1:08 p.m.
Are you saying that if I find marriage between Christians to be morally wrong, I shouldn't have to pay taxes that benefit their relationships?
December 14, 2012 1:07 p.m.
If homosexuals want to live together and call themselves married, I'm not going to stop them. But don't force me to pay for their insurance if they're state employees. I cannot and will not support homosexuality.
December 14, 2012 1:05 p.m.
How very charitable of you. And you wonder why fundamentalist bigots get such a bad name.
December 14, 2012 12:58 p.m.
because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things
December 14, 2012 12:57 p.m.
December 14, 2012 12:54 p.m.
December 14, 2012 12:53 p.m.
On the contrary. As a taxpayer who believes that gay marriage is wrong, if it was legalized, then I'd be forced to pay (through my taxes) benefits due to a relationship that I find morally wrong. It certainly does affect me!
December 14, 2012 12:47 p.m.
December 14, 2012 12:41 p.m.
Let my taxes stop supporting the lazy then we can talk equality.
December 14, 2012 12:36 p.m.
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December 14, 2012 12:35 p.m.
That is because you want this overturned. If you use rational thought you know the statement you were responding to is correct.
December 14, 2012 12:27 p.m.
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December 14, 2012 12:16 p.m.
I find it so ironic that the party most interested in "defending freedom" is also the most interested in defining that "freedom." I agree that equality will come to NC - we have always been the "New South" state - and we will prove it (eventually) once again, I am sure.
December 14, 2012 11:57 a.m.
December 14, 2012 11:53 a.m.
It won't be changed in my lifetime. And I doubt it will be changed in my children's or grandchildren's lifetime.
December 14, 2012 11:51 a.m.
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