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ACC coaches don't compare to 1989

The ACC’s torpid start raised questions about the quality of football in the league, a question somewhat muted by the league’s performance last weekend.

But N.C. State athletics director Lee Fowler raised an interesting point Wednesday in an interview with 99.9 FM The Fan.

“I do think probably at this time we have as good a head coaches in the league as we’ve had, and that’s from top to bottom,” Fowler said. “And I think, given the time for these guys to get their program going, we’re going to have one of the better leagues in the country.

“I think we have 12 of the better head coaches we’ve ever had in this conference.”

It’s an observation worth a closer look.

Personally, I believe the league had a stronger set of coaches in the late 1980s and specifically 1989.

Virginia and Duke tied for the league title that season.The Cavaliers had their best coach ever (George Welsh) and Duke had its second-best ever (Steve Spurrier, second only to Wallace Wade).

Clemson was in the last year of the Danny Ford regime, and Ford finished 10-2 in 1989 before being pushed out.

Georgia Tech had Bobby Ross, who would win a share of the national title in 1990 and go on to be successful in the NFL.

N.C. State had Dick Sheridan, whose only equal in Wolfpack history was Lou Holtz. I’d rank Holtz slightly ahead of Sheridan as the best coach N.C. State has ever had but there’s no question both were superior coaches.

North Carolina finished 1-10 that year for the second straight year under Mack Brown, but Brown the Heels pointed in a winning direction and his recruiting classes would soon pay off.

Carolina’s three best coaches ever were Carl Snavely, Bill Dooley and Brown. Snavely benefited from Charlie Justice’s brilliance, and Dooley produced steady winners that played tough, and somewhat boring, football. I believe Brown was the best Carolina ever had, and the program could have approached elite status if he had not left for Texas in 1997.

Wake Forest had Dooley in 1989, who struggled that year but made the Deacons competitive overall. The weak link in the 1989 group of ACC coaches was Maryland’s Joe Krivak, who would stumble on for two more years before being fired.

That’s the best collection of football coaches I can remember in the ACC. But Fowler’s point on the strength of the current coaches has merit.

The coaches in North Carolina, for example, are strong and may get the state moving in a sport long overshadowed by basketball.

Jim Grobe has been brilliant at Wake Forest.

Butch Davis has recruited well and hiked interest in the UNC program.. He’ll have to show he can get his team to play smart in big games, as it failed to do in Saturday’s loss to Virginia Tech. But UNC’s talent is rising and the program will only improve as it matures.

N.C. State’s Tom O’Brien has been shackled by a ridiculous run of injuries – although getting him to share information on that is like asking North Korea about its nuclear weapons. But O’Brien is a tough coach who knows how to win, and will. He’s similar to Sheridan in his approach and ultimately may have similar success.

Duke’s David Cutcliffe knows how to lead and has the benefit of the school finally backing football.

Elsewhere, you have to love Frank Beamer of Virginia Tech, Paul Johnson of Georgia Tech and maybe even Tommy Bowden of Clemson, although Tiger fans are hard to please.

It’s too early to judge Jeff Jagodzinski of Boston College and Randy Shannon of Miami. Al Groh of Virginia and Ralph Friedgen of Maryland appear to be faltering and Bobby Bowden of Florida State… well, let’s be nice.


As good as the SEC?

Gosh, no chance.

And as good as 1989?

Not by my count.

Overall, though, the ACC has a strong group of coaches and some programs with a chance to rise. The key to how these coaches are judged is whether any of these programs can push into elite status. Right now, only Virginia Tech ranks among college football’s best programs, and the current coaches will have to change that before the league is taken seriously.

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I am not saying the ACC is better than the SEC, read my posts. What I am saying is that the SEC gets hyped up a little too much, are they good? Yes. But, I think we tend to make out to be more than they are.

packfan08 you don't read do you? There was one bad coach in 89 in the ACC. Now we have Groh, Fridge, Bobby Bowden (who doesnt even coach anymore) and a bunch of first year, second year guys at UNC, NCSU, DUKE, BC, and Miami.

Stop comparing this to the SEC, that's not the premise

PACKFAN08, you aren't seriously trying to compare the ACC to the SEC are you? Tell me you are kidding. Do you watch football? Do you really think the leagues have been comparable over the last 10 years simply because the SEC only went 14-12 against ACC teams? Not a chance. As for the future I would love for the ACC to be as good as the SEC in football but I won't be holding my breath.

We're not talking neutral sites here. This information details road nonconference games the past 10 years. Here is what the SEC has done in road nonconference games against other BCS conferences since 1998:

1-4 against the Big 12 (20%) 2-5 against the Pac-10 (29%) 2-5 against the Big East (29%) 2-3 against the Big Ten (40%) 14-12 against the ACC (54%).

So it has a winning record against one other BCS league in nonconference road games the past 10 years.

Where are you from? This league could rival the SEC in the next couple of years. Let's face it alot of SEC teams get ranked for just being SEC teams, they never play tough non-conference games on the road, they beat up on each other. They are terrible in road games on the west coast. When was the last time Georgia, played a tough non-conference on the road? The SEC is hyped up by the media, and ESPN, etc. Yes, they have won the last few national titles against who? overrated Ohio St teams, who played like one tough game all year. This season S.Carolina was ranked the week after beating NC State? Why? Because they won big and they are an SEC school. Look up the SEC's road non-conference record.

I doubt most sports fans know what "torpid" means :-)

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