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  • Follow_The_Money27617 Jul 28, 12:38 p.m.

    Are they going to make the women participate? Does she have to look at the monitor? Or just waste the money and go through the procedure even though most have made their mind ip for themselves already? I thought we were going for personal responsibility and limited governemnt? GOP? What happened you hypocritical government loving failures.

  • stupiditydeservesnosympathy Jul 28, 12:20 p.m.

    I find it funny that the same party that complains about social healthcare and welfare is advocating both in this bill.
    NC_interest
    -- Yeah Republicans usually contridict themselves in their beliefs... This is a sad day for women. Our reproductive rights are swiftly going away. If my daughter becomes PG before she is ready- We're going to VA for an abortion.

  • newlifetupper Jul 28, 9:23 a.m.

    It remains a mystery to me that the government can require me to do all that they do--wear a seat belt-not smoke-but it is invasive to tell a woman that she must have an ultrasound and wait for 24 hours before killing a baby.No wonder this nation is in the shape that it is in--we have people with no common sense running it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! confusedinnc

  • Spartacus Jul 27, 5:05 p.m.

    dwntwnboy - I'm not so sure there would be much outrage. If we don't care enough now to protect the process against fraud, then would we really care if the process was taken out of our hands? 6 of one....

  • poohperson2000 Jul 27, 5:00 p.m.

    why would you not want someone to have to present their ID to vote??

  • eoglane Jul 27, 4:57 p.m.

    With no ID required to vote, just load up anybody and let them vote. Just to get you way right or wrong

  • Follow_The_Money27617 Jul 27, 4:50 p.m.

    Why do you have such anger and vitriolic hate for people of faith? I'm trying to understand why you think you hold the key to TRUTH, and the rest of the estimated 6 billion people on the planet are "a bunch of brainwashed indoctrinated sheep".

    Im searching for truth. I dont blindly believe anything. So for me to believe in your God you must tell me EXACTLY what your God is a where your God came from. Is your God a human, a spirit, an alien, what? And if God created the earth and life who or what created God? If you cant answer I dont believe it.

  • fayncmike Jul 27, 4:47 p.m.

    "I think people who consider themselves Liberals would agree that a main tenet of their philosophy is to protect those among us who are least able to protect themselves. The unborn child, who is a person in his/her own right with a unique set of DNA different from both mother and father, is the least able to protect itself. Liberals are on the wrong side of this debate. Preserving human life would seem to be more of a Liberal's issue, rather than that of a Conservative."

    There is no such thing as an unborn child! I don't care if it has two arms, two legs blue eyes, blond hair and is wearing a morning coat it's NOT an unborn child, it's a FETUS! having an abortion is no more murdering an unborn child than having a haircut is murdering hair or having a tooth pulled is murdering the tooth. I'm getting mighty tired of all the mealy mouth blathering about the rights of a blob of tissue. A fetus becomes a child at birth, before birth it's scrapple.

  • Spartacus Jul 27, 4:34 p.m.

    "on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

    It is very difficult to teach a child a new trick. It says "on account of..." There are so many reasons NOT covered by this statement. How about address, citizenship, criminals, the mentally ill, the list is endless. There is a big difference between protection of a 'right' and protection against 'discrimination'. The constitution is very clear about rights, and it protects them unconditionally. Check the part about free speech, or freedom of religion. I am really sorry your school let you down, but I don't have time to be a teacher.

  • BubbaDuke Jul 27, 4:26 p.m.

    There have been too many amendments to the Constitution, which has resulted in Americans working for the government rather than the government working for Americans. The Constitution is not a living entity, subject to societal changes as liberals insist it is.
    The Constitution does not guarantee a person the right to vote. It allows the People the right to elect representatives and there are amendments that clarify who the People are. That's a states' right issue. In some states, people who are mentally incompetent or felons serving time in prison do not have the right to vote. The 26th Amendment says that one must be 18 years old in order to vote, but states could lower that age if they wanted.

    I would like to see a competency test that every voter must pass before they can vote and effect the way our nation is governed. It's obvious from the last Presidential election that the majority of voters decided on race rather than qualifications, and we see the results of that.

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 4:05 p.m.

    Oh, and the 26th.

    1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

    So we have age, race, poll taxes, and sex covered. Spartacus, who again is not GIVEN the right to vote? (Other than those who have LOST the right to vote)

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 4:00 p.m.

    The constitution protects you against discrimination. For example, NC cannot allow christians to vote, and prohibit jews. This would be unconstitutional, just as the poll tax would be. However, there are many reasons that NC can prohibit you from voting, and this includes doing away with voting altogether. NC could decide to let the legistlature choose our electoral college candidates. So no, your right to vote is NOT protected by the constitution.-Spartacus

    The government can also limit who cannot own guns (like felons) so by your own logic the "right to bear arms" is not protected by the constitution.

    15th Amendment "The right of U.S. citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.".

    The 19th "The right of the citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

    THAT COVERS EVERYONE!

  • PJM Jul 27, 4:00 p.m.

    Instead of deciding whether or not someone needs photo id to vote...check this out...okay do you not have to show proof of age when you initially register to vote?....and then receive a voters registration card in the mail...!!!! THATS YOUR PROOF!
    THEN....this abortion issue.......what man in the house or senate...knows what a woman goes through to vote along with this...further...how dare anyone tell me or any other woman what i need to do with my body...what if its a victim of incest or rape...what mental torture this could bring and more tradegy if one has to have "the" unwanted fetus...that results in backyard, basement abortions with coat hangers....MORE BABIES ABANDONED ....INSTEAD OF FORCING SOMEONE TO WAIT 24HRS IS JUST UNHEARD OF WHEN THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER LAWS AGAINST 'DOMESTIC VIOLENCE'...TOO MANY WOMEN ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF THEIR HUSBANDS,BOYFRIENDS OR HUSBANDS/BOYFRIENDS GIRLFRIENDS...TELL ME WHATS REALLY ON THE MINDS OF POLITICAL ARENA

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 3:56 p.m.

    "Most of the popualtion are a bunch of brainwashed indoctrinated sheep. Its easy to believe in a God, " --- forautumn

    Why do you have such anger and vitriolic hate for people of faith? I'm trying to understand why you think you hold the key to TRUTH, and the rest of the estimated 6 billion people on the planet are "a bunch of brainwashed indoctrinated sheep".

    It may be easy to believe in God, but it is not easy to live the holy life. It is easy to do what feels good. However, it's hard to constantly examine one's conscience; it's difficult to do right by others in everything you do every minute of every day. It's hard to consistently go to Mosque, Temple, or Church and pray and fast.

  • dwntwnboy Jul 27, 3:56 p.m.

    "NC can prohibit you from voting, and this includes doing away with voting altogether. NC could decide to let the legistlature choose our electoral college candidates"- well, yeah, they COULD, but it would make the union protests in Wisconsin look like a church outing compared to the sheer outrage our elected overlords would see coming at them if they tried to take away the "vote" of the citizens in a national election. Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should or will.

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 3:44 p.m.

    BTW, it is in the constitution if their has been an "amendment." You do know what an "amendment" is right?-WooHoo2You

    Before Flashsparks decides to play English Teacher in an attempt to change the subject, I meant to say “there” not “their.”

  • Spartacus Jul 27, 3:42 p.m.

    I will try to explain this for the 'uneducated' ones. The constitution protects you against discrimination. For example, NC cannot allow christians to vote, and prohibit jews. This would be unconstitutional, just as the poll tax would be. However, there are many reasons that NC can prohibit you from voting, and this includes doing away with voting altogether. NC could decide to let the legistlature choose our electoral college candidates. So no, your right to vote is NOT protected by the constitution.

  • haggis basher Jul 27, 3:39 p.m.

    "IDs MUST be issued for free or it falls under the "poll tax" issue again- charging to vote is NOT allowed."

    further there must be no appreciable expense or difficulty in acquiring one either or again it likely unconstitutional. Was the state going to pay for buses to come around poor areas, old peoples homes etc and take them to get ID? Door to door ID creators?

    Oh and I'm still waiting for the tea party to show where the problem was that this law was designed to solve?

  • readme Jul 27, 3:36 p.m.

    I think anyone who voted for this bill should be required to walk through a favela in Brazil without a gun and view for themselves what a society can look like when it outlaws abortion and pays poor people to have kids.

  • readme Jul 27, 3:34 p.m.

    This is just another example of the government getting bigger and taking away more freedoms. People are too short-sighted to realize that just because they like the law this time, they might not like the decision next time. You might think it's great that a woman has to go through more hassle to get an abortion, but what about when the government starts regulating other stuff that this time you don't like? That is why we need more personal freedoms and less useless regulation.

  • haggis basher Jul 27, 3:34 p.m.

    "And I have yet to utter a single word about religion. You have to use that as a straw man against me."

    Methinks the badger doth protest too much......you deny that its a religious stance merely because its one you cannot win on in a secular state like the USA

  • haggis basher Jul 27, 3:32 p.m.

    "LOL at all the murder-lovers up in arms over this!!!!

    Murder lovers? under what state or federal law is abortion murder?

    answer none.

    So its not murder. Next "lovers".........now I don't know of anyone who loves abortion anymore than anyone loves root canals, heart surgery and killingh pigs for bacon. All are simply unpleasant necessities in life.

    Yet to get an answer from all thos fetus lovers out there.....would you force your 11 year old daughter to have her rapists child?

    If not you are pro-choice and the only discussion is on what limitations there should be on that choice.

    and if you would, you are an unspeakable monster and an unfit parent and I have no more to say to you.........

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 3:27 p.m.

    One more time: the right to vote is NOT protected by the constitution. Is that so hard to understand?-Spartacus

    "Twenty-Fourth Amendment - Abolition of the Poll Tax Qualification in Federal Elections"

    Most (if not all) states have similar laws for non-federal elections.

    BTW, it is in the constitution if their has been an "amendment." You do know what an "amendment" is right?

  • dwntwnboy Jul 27, 3:23 p.m.

    "the right to vote is NOT protected by the constitution"- while that is true to an extent. Rights can be lost through criminal actions etc. The fight has already been fought over "poll taxes". They are illegal and can not be done. It is not allowed. I'm all for voter ID- but with the understanding that to do that, IDs MUST be issued for free or it falls under the "poll tax" issue again- charging to vote is NOT allowed.

  • Spartacus Jul 27, 3:12 p.m.

    One more time: the right to vote is NOT protected by the constitution. Is that so hard to understand?

  • LambeauSouth Jul 27, 3:12 p.m.

    "You folks that are against the abortion bill : Don't look now, but it's too late for comment. You should have written or emailed your elected representitives before the bill was first passed. The Majority has spoken. Move on."- we can let them know with votes and then HOPEFULLY get these silly laws that do nothing but cost money and get in the way of an individual and their own personal medical choices off the books.........
    I assume you are reffering to the bill just passed? if so, agreed, the gop agenda is now in full view of the folks that voted them in, what they seem to not understand is that any law can be repealed, vote them out and do away with the last few months of nonsense.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Jul 27, 3:10 p.m.

    LOL at all the murder-lovers up in arms over this!!!!

  • Minxi23 Jul 27, 3:09 p.m.

    I'm so glad those voters forgot their ID's. I'm against abortion, but if a woman wants to get one then who am I to stop her? It's her body, her choice. It's an insult that the government is trying to guilt women into changing their minds. The women I know who have had abortions are also against this bill and they said that they sought help/advice on THEIR OWN and did their research on risks and alternatives before going through with it. Yes, you have to consider how you’ll feel afterwards: guilt, regret, depression, etc. But I feel that’s something every women takes into consideration. And I understand that some women don't know where to go for help/advice, so if they accept meeting with the physician, having an ultrasound, and waiting 24 hrs, then by all means...go right ahead! It just angers me that they're trying to force this on women whether or not they want the help.

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Jul 27, 3:08 p.m.

    "According to who? You and your archaic religion? LOL."

    You need to worship at the altar of common sense.

    And I have yet to utter a single word about religion. You have to use that as a straw man against me.

  • dana6 Jul 27, 2:51 p.m.

    Who will pay for these ultrasounds? I just had one done (not abortion related), and for the room use, radiologist, and primary doc reporting results it was $1943! If you think that is costly, what about the cost of raising a child. $2000 bucks people-per woman...

  • dwntwnboy Jul 27, 2:49 p.m.

    "You folks that are against the abortion bill : Don't look now, but it's too late for comment. You should have written or emailed your elected representitives before the bill was first passed. The Majority has spoken. Move on."- we can let them know with votes and then HOPEFULLY get these silly laws that do nothing but cost money and get in the way of an individual and their own personal medical choices off the books.

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 2:39 p.m.

    ""If Perdue thinks an ID would be an unfair requirement"- it is unfair UNLESS those IDs are free and distributed by the state. By making anyone "pay" for one, you have put a "tax" on the act of voting- and THAT is illegal. It's all very simple. Make IDs free for citizens, and then you can have all the ID laws you want." dwntwnboy

    Yeah, and free passports for anyone who wants to leave the country...and free transportation for anyone who wants to go someplace...and free healthcare...and, and-smbiz

    But those 'freebies' not protected by the CONSTITUTION.

  • forautumn Jul 27, 2:20 p.m.

    "One doesn't have to be a member of any particular gender/party/religion/idealogical group to have a say in this matter. We live together bound by a social contract which is the basis of Western Civilization. "

    LOL...well, when one poster is running around using "we", the question is what group does that poster speak for. "We" indicates plural, not a single opinion.

    " Or, do you prefer the ways of the Taliban?"

    "WE" think that is a silly, stupid analogy.

    Better?

  • lizard78 Jul 27, 2:17 p.m.

    All atheists do not believe its O.K. to kill babies. There are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I’m 32 years old and I have never been pregnant. I don’t want children, but I will never have an abortion.

  • bowslinger70 Jul 27, 2:15 p.m.

    You folks that are against the abortion bill : Don't look now, but it's too late for comment. You should have written or emailed your elected representitives before the bill was first passed. The Majority has spoken. Move on.

  • Follow_The_Money27617 Jul 27, 2:14 p.m.

    timbo, To call any of the word's major religions archaic, is the height of ignorance. Those who disagree with you outnumber you astronomically. As of the year 2000, the estimated percentage of atheists in the world stood at a meager 2.5%, http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm.
    flashsparks
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    Most of the popualtion are a bunch of brainwashed indoctrinated sheep. Its easy to believe in a God, but please tell me what your God is (be specific) and who created your God that created all this. Dont say God is forever. God is Infinite. Tell me EXACTLY what your God is and where it came from.

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 2:14 p.m.

    "I still think everyone including flashsparks is missing the point."

    We agree to disagree. That's cool. That's part of what our democracy is all about!

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 2:11 p.m.

    "So the Right is going to impose it's "personal responsibility" on the rest of the world?"

    Woo, that statement doesn't make sense grammatically, semantically, or otherwise. If something is personal (belonging to you alone) it can't be imposed from outside.

  • WooHoo2You Jul 27, 1:56 p.m.

    That's where personal responsiblity comes in. Unfortunately, that is in diminishing supply these days.-flashsparks

    So the Right is going to impose it's "personal responsibility" on the rest of the world? I thought they said democrats did that....

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 1:55 p.m.

    "Murder it if you must. But know that it is murder you are committing."
    According to who? You and your archaic religion? LOL. -- timbo10.0

    timbo, To call any of the word's major religions archaic, is the height of ignorance. Those who disagree with you outnumber you astronomically. As of the year 2000, the estimated percentage of atheists in the world stood at a meager 2.5%, http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm.

  • 4Strikes Jul 27, 1:54 p.m.

    "these politicians need to mind their own business. then they gripe when all of us have to support the thing." diana123

    Casey Anthony, is that you?

  • readme Jul 27, 1:51 p.m.

    I still think everyone including flashsparks is missing the point. I respect everyone's opinion on abortion as to if it's murder or not. But the supreme court already ruled that the decision rests with the mother, not the state. If it's murder, she will account for it when she is given her final judgement. So stay out of her business, because it's her business, not yours and not the State of NC's. I can't believe the state is passing laws that conflict with a supreme court ruling that will also raise expenses. It makes no sense to me at all. They just pass meaningless legislation to get votes.

  • 4Strikes Jul 27, 1:51 p.m.

    ""If Perdue thinks an ID would be an unfair requirement"- it is unfair UNLESS those IDs are free and distributed by the state. By making anyone "pay" for one, you have put a "tax" on the act of voting- and THAT is illegal. It's all very simple. Make IDs free for citizens, and then you can have all the ID laws you want." dwntwnboy

    Yeah, and free passports for anyone who wants to leave the country...and free transportation for anyone who wants to go someplace...and free healthcare...and, and

  • word636 Jul 27, 1:51 p.m.

    Murder unborn citizens. If the posters here are so concerned aobut the unborn citizens, then they should not be complaining when we have to support them for 18 years via welfare payments.

    If we are going to treat the unborn as citizens, then we shoudl be willing to pay more in taxes to support them until they can support themselves. rand321

    Amazingly not all "unborn citizens" parents are on welfare.What a far-fetched statement.Many welfare kids have grown up to contribute to the system; not take from it.I was a welfare child because my mother was disable & my father a sperm-donor only. At 17 1/2 i joined the navy & have earned a paycheck ever since.And for the record, those "welfare" checks people are complaining about aren't enough to "get rich" off of.i still had to get a job at 15 to help us survive, worked the fields in the summers before that, & my mother traded stamps in order to pay the light bill.Welfare people aren't rich by any means & not all are lazy by far.

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 1:46 p.m.

    "Murder unborn citizens. If the posters here are so concerned aobut the unborn citizens, then they should not be complaining when we have to support them for 18 years via welfare payments."

    That's where personal responsiblity comes in. Unfortunately, that is in diminishing supply these days.

  • word636 Jul 27, 1:44 p.m.

    Be it a fetus or a person is just like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder.i am personally against abortion but for each woman to have the right to decide.

  • flashsparks Jul 27, 1:43 p.m.

    "More fear mongering from those who know no other way to inspire people." --- forautumn

    I agree that of all the issues facing NC right now, voter ID has got to be the lowest priority.

    That said, I see lots of CHARGES of fearmongering hurled at the Right. There's lots of that to go around. I can't think of any more bigger fear mongerer than Al Gore and the Global Warming hysteria. Sure, it's hot outside now. But it's SUMMER!. This is normal. Get back to me when the highs in Raleigh consistently hover at 115 degrees F (without the heat index).

  • Spartacus Jul 27, 1:39 p.m.

    If there are any legal citizens who want to vote, and really do not have an ID, I am sure the state will provide one at no cost to all 3 of them. That should be written into the law. I think it would amaze everyone how very few IDs would ever be requested.

  • rand321 Jul 27, 1:36 p.m.

    Murder unborn citizens. If the posters here are so concerned aobut the unborn citizens, then they should not be complaining when we have to support them for 18 years via welfare payments.

    If we are going to treat the unborn as citizens, then we shoudl be willing to pay more in taxes to support them until they can support themselves.

  • dwntwnboy Jul 27, 1:31 p.m.

    "If Perdue thinks an ID would be an unfair requirement"- it is unfair UNLESS those IDs are free and distributed by the state. By making anyone "pay" for one, you have put a "tax" on the act of voting- and THAT is illegal. It's all very simple. Make IDs free for citizens, and then you can have all the ID laws you want.

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