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  • myjudas Jun 24, 7:20 p.m.

    64 total cases of potential fraud in the last two elections out of how many hundreds of thousands of voters?

    Getting an ID is a pain in the neck and if the only thing you need it for is to vote, that's just one more reason not to bother. But voter apathy affects minorities and the poor more than anyone else, so who cares?

  • timetochange Jun 24, 7:03 p.m.

    Plenty Coup, if you are looking for justification for spending your crazy. Show me the justification for spending 80,000 to rewire the governors mountain home?

  • timetochange Jun 24, 7:02 p.m.

    geosol, the bill has in it the ability to obtain a voter id card FREE OF CHARGE. So to you I say FAIL.

  • give me no quarter Jun 24, 6:53 p.m.

    So somehow this bill would create a burden on the poor? I think the article called it an obstacle, whatever. The poor in this State have no problem collecting their checks each month. They have no problem cashing them either. It is not an obstacle to get a proper ID to vote.

  • renaissancemon Jun 24, 5:14 p.m.

    > There is absolutely no valid reason for NOT requiring ID.

    Right, except

    it presumes guilt

    it's a warrantless search of your papers

    it strips you of a birthright without even charging you with a misdemeanor much less convicting you of a felony like the Constitution requires

    it's not in the Constitution

    the Constitution says new hurdles to voting must be put in the
    Constitution

    Give the legislature the power to stip the rights of someone you disapprove of and they will turn and use it against you next.

  • renaissancemon Jun 24, 5:01 p.m.

    >> The Constitution itself says that ALL the requirements to be able to vote MUST be contained IN THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

    > QUIT lying!

    QUIT maligning me!

    "Who may vote. EVERY person born in the United States and every person who has been naturalized, 18 years of age, and possessing the qualifications set out IN THIS ARTICLE, shall be ENTITLED TO VOTE at ANY ELECTION by the people of the State, except as HEREIN otherwise provided." -- The Constitution of the State of North Carolina, Article VI, Section 1.

  • geosol Jun 24, 3:42 p.m.

    OK all you right wingers, here's a deal for you. Us normal people will agree to let you spend millions of tax dollars enforcing a voter ID card, but in return, you kids will have to support the Disclosure Act, which requires full disclosure of all donations to campaigns and PACs. How's that sound?

  • GetItRite Jun 24, 2:56 p.m.

    What do all of these people do with their ID after they register to vote????? Was it a hardship on them to get that ID???
    Let's face it...the people the dems think it will be such a hardship on to get an ID probably have a different id for each day of the week.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 2:50 p.m.

    "Trying to claim there is no VOTING FRAUD is pure nonsense."

    I'm still waiting on the evidence to justify spending millions on this when the state has such a budget crisis. Please provide the evidence whatelseisnew. Voter fraud IS extremely rare.

  • pappybigtuna1 Jun 24, 2:00 p.m.

    We the People, citizens of the United States of America, Tax payers, Residence of North Carolina, Tax payers, Law Abiding -

    IT IS TIME TO UNITE AND ASK BEV PERDUE TO RESIGN, SHE IS NO LONGER REPRESENTING THE FOLKS OF NC. IF GIVEN A CHANCE SHE WILL BURY THIS STATE, SHE HAS BECOME DANGEROUS

  • teddemr Jun 24, 1:51 p.m.

    The dems are afraid they will loose the undocumented democrat vote. The vast majority of the citizens of North Carolina support showing some form of ID to vote. Who does the governor represent? It doesn't appear to be North Carolina!

  • give me no quarter Jun 24, 1:50 p.m.

    One more nail in Purdue's coffin. There is no telling how many illegals voted in the last State election, or how many times. Proper ID is required to get your clothes out of the cleaners these days and to say that providing proper ID to vote would be an obstacle for anyone is rediculous at best.

  • whatelseisnew Jun 24, 1:48 p.m.

    There is absolutely no valid reason for NOT requiring ID. Every election we see VOTES challenged in all close races. each side does their best to get votes tossed out. Trying to claim there is no VOTING FRAUD is pure nonsense.
    The real reason is Dems believe they are more likely to benefit from fraudulent voting. If they thought otherwise, they would be all in favor of photo ID.

  • rand321 Jun 24, 1:42 p.m.

    i am tired of having more government making me fill out more forms and showing more photo id's for nearly everything we do. i cannot even buy sudafed without showing a license and signing a boat load of documents.

    GOP=MORE GOVERNMENT

  • rand321 Jun 24, 1:41 p.m.

    Studies supported by both parties indicate that voter fraud and illegal voters is not a problem in NC.

    someone needs to point to verifiable 3rd party studies to show that illegals are voting in NC and changing election results. Where is the evidence????

  • whatelseisnew Jun 24, 1:35 p.m.

    "The republican budget cut educational funding more than it had to"

    No it did not. Not even close.

  • whatelseisnew Jun 24, 1:32 p.m.

    "The measure would have placed undue burdens on law-abiding citizens, making it harder for thousands of qualified voters to cast a ballot, without making our election system any more secure," Circosta said in a statement."

    This is nothing more than a BOLD FACED lie and aside from that requiring PHOTO ID will finally actually apply a bit of security to the process. I wonder, will the Governor challenge the Feds about the new law that requires PHOTO ID to register as a new patient in all medical facilities? Will this lying clown Circosta, join her in that effort?

  • Actiontalks Jun 24, 1:30 p.m.

    Bev Perdue is abolutely rediculous for turning this down. In this day and time who doesn't have a form of picture ID? For those who don't, you can get a voter ID for free?? This is asinine. . .

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 1:26 p.m.

    misschris-"But it has been proven time and again that spending more money per pupil does not net a better education or better scores."

    Spending more doesn't necessarily mean better results, you're right there but if all things are equal, the better teachers are going to leave for better paying jobs. It's a basic economic principle. Overall NAEP testing results do show a correlation with higher spending states getting higher test scores. Mississippi for ex., typically underfunds its educational system and has traditionally lagged behind, year after year. Yes there are a few exceptions (such as Wash. DC), but you have to allow for the variables. BTW, the NAEP is the only nationally administered test that all states must participate in. I'll include a link to show state rankings for 8th grade math scores:

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/statecomparisontable.aspx?sbj=MAT&gr=8&yr=2009&sample=R3&jur=NC&st=MN

  • cableprncss Jun 24, 1:24 p.m.

    Funny, you can't open an utility account without showing a form of identification, but you can vote without showing one...I find something wrong with that picture. It's about time we stop worrying about offending people & start worrying about protecting them.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 1:20 p.m.

    misschris-"Teachers aren't paupers, their pay schedules are public knowledge and most make more than I do, and I work year-round, plus pay for my own benefits"

    Yes they are public knowledge. But you have to compare apples to apples. They are required to get an expensive 4 year degree and certification only to start out at around 20K less than other college graduates. That gap has grown tremendously in recent years. Their benefits aren't that great anymore to even come close to justifying such a large gap. Teachers don't get paid for the 2 months off but even if you allowed them 6 or 7K for that, it still doesn't come close.

    Pay avg. for NEW college graduates (50K):
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/pf/college_graduates_salaries/index.htm

    NC teacher pay. Notice that it takes 22 years for a teacher to hit 50K, and that was before the freeze. (page 7)
    http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2010-11schedules.pdf

  • RebelCat Jun 24, 1:16 p.m.

    She vetoed the bill because she wants illegals to be able to vote for her and other democrats. She doesn't care. I hope this is her LAST term as she is useless. There is no reason not to have to show ID to vote.

  • ncbeelady52 Jun 24, 1:15 p.m.

    I am for having to show your ID to vote. The Governor will not get my vote. Which I showed my ID when I voted.

  • ncguy Jun 24, 1:12 p.m.

    Again,
    Beverly does not have a mind of her own, only what her party tells her to do.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 1:11 p.m.

    misschris-"Plenty, how about the 2 top leaders of ACORN being convicted of fraud conspiracy? Did you miss that? Isn't that proof enough?"

    They are convicetd of voter REGISTRATION fraud, not actual voter fraud. Dig a little deeper and you'll see that. They were paid money to register people to vote and had an incentive to make up fake names as they got paid more for every name and let go if they didn't register at least 20 people per day.. None of those made up people actually voted as they were "made up". That's what she was prosecuted for. (Your right wing propaganda sites usually leave that part out)

    http://factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/46898087.html

  • jclathamnc Jun 24, 1:07 p.m.

    You can't board a plane or claim a lottery prize without a picture ID. Shouldn't the D's be in favor of running fair elections? Get out there and vote early and often.

  • apyrson2 Jun 24, 1:04 p.m.

    I don't give two hoots about voter fraud in New Mexico! Read the bill. It steals from Peter (federal money from the Help America Vote Act for buying equipment - really, and who pays to insure, maintain and run this equipment?), it allocates another $600,000 of NC taxpayer money for the id's and educating the voter - no way that's enough money. The 'Pay to Play' section is a joke.

    Fake ID's can be purchased easy enough. The bill won't stop illegals, convicted felons or folks casting a few dozen absentee ballots.

    I'd have been for it cause I grant you it sounds great. But, then I read it.

    Perdue did the right thing.

  • wildcat Jun 24, 12:59 p.m.

    I am glad to see Purdue veto the voter ID.

  • petarp2 Jun 24, 12:58 p.m.

    You know, it is not a bad idea having to show your ID. The ones who are against say it is discrimination. No it is not. If you are who you say you are, then you don't have anything to worry about showing your ID to vote. If you are not who you say you are you are committing fraud and that is a crime. Maybe that is why the governor doesn't want to you to have to show your ID, because she is as crooked as John Edwards and Mike Easley and she doesn't mind being elected by a bunch of criminals.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 12:56 p.m.

    "What are we paying all those "administrators" for?"

    Another excuse! As if they didn't run the schools, handle discipline, and monitor teacher performance.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 12:54 p.m.

    misschris-"But for you to say the Republicans don't care about education? Were they the ones that raided the lottery funds to balance their budget?"

    The republican budget cut educational funding more than it had to. Since I've lived in NC,(14 years) I have yet to see a republican vote for a teacher raise. Lottery funds gave the state over 400 million dollars in revenue that would otherwise have had to have been raised through taxes. (our taxes are below the natioanl avg).This recent republican dominated legislature has shown special reluctance to even ever consider the issue. The money has to come from somewhere. To claim the governor "raided" this fund or that to balance the budget (which is required by NC law) w/o ever supporting raising revenue through taxes is disengenuous. To claim that we're "throwing" money at education when our spending on this issue is next to last is beyond comprehension and smacks of simple partisan talking points.

  • misschris234 Jun 24, 12:52 p.m.

    "but why don't the republicans then restore the pay levels of the teachers whose pay has been frozen at 2008 levels?"

    My pay is frozen at 2006 level. Teachers aren't paupers, their pay schedules are public knowledge and most make more than I do, and I work year-round, plus pay for my own benefits. When you take a state job, you have to know that state budgets will come into play when it comes to your paycheck. I agree with the test score merit pay however. But it has been proven time and again that spending more money per pupil does not net a better education or better scores. We throw money at education and THAT has not worked, we are still among the worst in the country. We have a governor that won't hesitate to take money out of the lottery funds designated for education for her own purposes. Don't worry, there is plenty of blame to go around.

  • brassy Jun 24, 12:45 p.m.

    The never ending argument always used by conservatives to not fund education. Right up there w/ "if they would only get rid of the bad teachers first there would be enough money" or "I'll pay for it when test scores go up", or "It's a failed system, why should I pay into it", or "now is not the time" etc. In the end, it isn't a priority.

    What are we paying all those "administrators" for?

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 12:37 p.m.

    misschris-"There is plenty of money in the education budget if it is spent wisely"

    The never ending argument always used by conservatives to not fund education. Right up there w/ "if they would only get rid of the bad teachers first there would be enough money" or "I'll pay for it when test scores go up", or "It's a failed system, why should I pay into it", or "now is not the time" etc. In the end, it isn't a priority.

    " the WAY too many TA positions for starters, and cutting funding from the ridiculous pre pre pre K program"
    I'm not sure I completely disagree, but why don't the republicans then restore the pay levels of the teachers whose pay has been frozen at 2008 levels? Why don't they restore the previous test score "merit pay"? Why are they content w/ education spending being next to last? Why did they try to suppress the NCAE which is the only org. that stands up for teachers? Why are they so content to let huge health care costs get passed on to teachers?

  • misschris234 Jun 24, 12:36 p.m.

    Plenty, how about the 2 top leaders of ACORN being convicted of fraud conspiracy? Did you miss that? Isn't that proof enough? http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/acorn-leader-avoids-prison-for-voter-fraud-conspiracy/

  • OGE Jun 24, 12:32 p.m.

    It's obvious that out illustrious gavernor has never worked the polls at an election. A picture ID would be a wonderful aid in assisting those who have to be sure that the person wishing to cast their vote is really who they say they are. There is nothing in presenting a picture ID at the polls that should cause a person any problem.
    superk

    This statement is complete bunk...I have NEVER seen any worker at a poll fret over if I am who I say I am.

  • misschris234 Jun 24, 12:30 p.m.

    "I see this as "Charging" citizens to vote, when voting is suppose to be a free right to citizen's"

    How so? You need an ID to do nearly anything in this country including driving, writing a check, buying cold medicine, seeing a doctor, renting a car, entering certain establishments, drinking a beer, buying a Playboy, getting a job, applying for welfare or government assistance, applying for Medicare/Medicaid, etc. Most of the people that everyone is crying out can't "afford" an ID, most likely have one if they are on any type of government assistance. And perhaps those that can't be bothered to go and get a photo ID really shouldn't be bothered to help put our leaders in positions of power. It is easier to vote for our leaders fraudulently else in this state than it is to buy cold medicine. Something is VERY wrong with that!!!!

  • nascar33 Jun 24, 12:27 p.m.

    Maybe she's worried she can't get re-elected if the illegals can't vote...

  • Plenty Coups Jun 24, 12:25 p.m.

    "It was found that there were possibly 69,000 cases of voter fraud in New Mexico in the last election"

    Unsubstantiated allegations do not constitute documented voter fraud. Again, show proof of ACTUAL fraud cases, not allegations of fraud that aren't supported by evidence from tea party types or voter registration fraud which is completely different from voter fraud.

  • moonpie Jun 24, 12:17 p.m.

    "House Bill 351 would require a person arriving at a voting precinct to show one of eight forms of photo ID, including a new voter card available for free from county election boards."

    How much easier could it be?

  • Alert5 Jun 24, 12:17 p.m.

    I see this veto as disinfranchsing LEGITIMATE VOTERS, in lieu of unconfirmed questionable voters.

    I know where my next vote will go for Gov and it won't be for Perdue.

  • superk Jun 24, 12:16 p.m.

    It's obvious that out illustrious gavernor has never worked the polls at an election. A picture ID would be a wonderful aid in assisting those who have to be sure that the person wishing to cast their vote is really who they say they are. There is nothing in presenting a picture ID at the polls that should cause a person any problem.

  • cwood3 Jun 24, 12:15 p.m.

    Geosol, let me see if I sunderstand you. It's ok to cheat as long as you win!! To you, Republican's are a minace to America and are never correct?? Is that right? If yes, you are part of the problem!

    When we can no long sit down and discuss our political differences without calling names, our nation is in deep trouble. My Republican friends are at times just as bad. Rep. Eric Cantor walked out of a meeting yesterday with the VP.
    WE must engage each other with civility or all may well be lost.

    Yes-I have issues with our President and our Governor. They seem to do things for their party more than for the state or country. That's troubling.

    I, for one, am concerned about acorn and SEIU coming to NC to recruit voters. Their track record for dodging the law is troubling. Yet, when people try to counter this troubling behavior, we are not good people?? Or, are we supposed to allow these folks to register whoever and however so their candidates win??

    I think not!! OVERRIDE!!

  • Alert5 Jun 24, 12:14 p.m.

    Bev's Qustionable Illegal Past and Present activities:

    1) Perdue campaign surrenders questionable employee donations :: WRAL.com. Perdue, the current first-term Democratic governor, and Basnight, an influential Manteo Democrat, were on the receiving end of $148,000 in illegal contributions from Wilmington businessman Rusty Carter in recent years.

    2) The State Board of Elections fined Perdue's campaign $30,000 last August for not reporting dozens of flights she took aboard donors' planes during the 2004 and 2008 elections until late 2009.

    3) Past dealings with Easley.

    Is this Gove really in a position to decry the voter ID legislation????

  • cantstandya Jun 24, 12:13 p.m.

    Does this mean we can turn in suspected illegals and the businesses that hire them,because if that be the case there should be a reward,every construction site,landscaping company,restaurant,chicken plant,and every soccer field on Sunday,WalMart,good places to start picking them out but will law enforcment do anything,doubtfull.

  • hpr641 Jun 24, 12:12 p.m.

    Question: Someone shows up at the polls and wants an equal say of who our legislators are (who have complete power to write tax laws and regulations). It is just TOO MUCH to ask such a person to show just 1 of EIGHT different forms of acceptable ID (some free)??? Geez, a kid can't even play little league baseball without showing acceptable ID. Yet, Dems. criticize this as a Republican effort ... my question is WHY isn't this a bipartisan effort?

    They say "But, there were ONLY about 2 dozen cases of potential fraud last year." We actually found ... FOUND (never mind all the ones we didn't find) ... TWO DOZEN CASES of potential vote fraud last year ... and Dems. STILL don't think this is necessary? Well, let's just go ahead and pass this just in case it is a problem, OK? I mean, we already HAVE to reduce CO2 emissions, just in case it does lead to global warming.

  • rroadrunner99 Jun 24, 12:07 p.m.

    I see this as "Charging" citizens to vote, when voting is suppose to be a free right to citizen's. Before starting this...they should first require election workers to ask for board of election's issued ID card's.I have never been asked to show mine...I do have one by the way.

  • wildcat Jun 24, 12:07 p.m.

    At least she done something right with the voting ID. Not sure about the gun law though. There are many anxious people with guns even though they have it legally.

  • Malaki Jun 24, 12:04 p.m.

    As a registered Democrat, I just don't understand the veto of this bill. Requiring a valid picture ID to vote should be mandatory in every state. This was ridiculous.

  • misschris234 Jun 24, 12:02 p.m.

    " It's entirely relevant as it shows that republicans don't mind spending money on what they feel is important-certainly not public education."

    There is plenty of money in the education budget if it is spent wisely, they are removing much of the fat... the WAY too many TA positions for starters, and cutting funding from the ridiculous pre pre pre K programs. But for you to say the Republicans don't care about education? Were they the ones that raided the lottery funds to balance their budget? Were they the ones that took $38M from the education construction budget? Were they the ones that took from it to pay tax refunds? Oh yeah... she cares about education when it's convenient for her to do so. Her budget which didn't factor in federal funds, was not that far off from the current budget she tried to veto. She would like to throw money at problems rather than address the problems. Many of the problems we have in our system won't be fixed by throwing money at them.

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