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  • Daisygirlforever Feb 16, 7:47 p.m.

    I love holmesap's comment. These criminals need to rot in jail. Good behavior my bottom dollar. What is the criminal recidivism rate these days? Let's just save ourselves (the taxpayers) lots of money and end this insanity.

  • piknowles4 Feb 16, 7:22 p.m.

    Like I said before to all you folks who just throw opinion in here - if you don't like the law petition your congressman and get the law changed. Opinion only works if you work to change what you don't like. And you know what they say about opinions and .....You know the rest! The law is screwed up, work to change it instead of bellyaching about it! We have the power to. Use it!

  • Barrackawack Feb 16, 7:21 p.m.

    They deserve the same chance the patrolman had on his last day ! They have lived their life pretty much taken care of by the taxpayer and watched sports and enjoyed whatever they could get their hands on and had contact with love ones. I bet the patrolman would have loved to have that option along with his family.

  • holmesap Feb 16, 7:05 p.m.

    I think they should bring the old prisons back. No tv, no air condition, no soft beds, ball & chain on the road work ! Let them repair the roads and clean the ditches and save the state some money. I dont believe in parole or plea bargains.

  • delilahk2000 Feb 16, 6:59 p.m.

    HIYADUN, THANK YOU

  • hiyadun Feb 16, 6:38 p.m.

    delilahk2000----you make a good point

  • delilahk2000 Feb 16, 6:17 p.m.

    THIS IS CRAZY, THEY HAVE ONE THEY ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO KEEP IN PRISON FOR A CRIME HE DID NOT COMMIT AND HAS SERVED 17YRS. THESE THEY DID DO THE CRIME AND CAN'T RELEASE THEM FAST ENOUGH. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH THIS. OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS REALLY MESSED UP. NO WONDER WE HAVE NO MORE FAITH IN THEM.

  • grenlyn1 Feb 16, 5:49 p.m.

    "We are a nation of laws, not arbitrariness, tyranny or whims," Allen said. "No one – not the (Department of Correction), not the Attorney General – can simply choose to treat the law as if it's nothing more than a series of items on the buffet line at the local Golden Corral."

    REALLY Ms. Allen..so let me ask YOU something. Do you honestly believe the life of the officer whom was killed by your client merely as important to his family and the fellow officers who work along side of him as a "Buffet Line at a Local Golden Corral"? His life mean't nothing more to you and the laws he swore to uphold? Please...Ms. Allen....surely you can come up with a better arguement than that!

  • piknowles4 Feb 16, 5:43 p.m.

    If you don't like the law work to have it changed. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. I don't like criminals released before their time any more than anyone else but the law is the law. I think the Governor has overstepped her bounds in this case. She should have to follow the same procedures as anyone else. No one is above the law.

  • Glomae Feb 16, 5:14 p.m.

    "I just checked on the State Highway Patrol website and read about Patrolman G. T. Davis, Jr., of Martin County, NC, and how he was shot to death in the line of duty after stopping a vehicle whose occupants had just robbed a bank. I'm wondering if this is the same patrolman whose death was contributed to (or caused by) Faye Brown."

    Yes, this was the same patrolman. He stopped the car for running a stoplight - didn't even know they had robbed a bank. He walked up to the car and they shot him with a sawed-off shotgun. He never stood a chance. My father lost a good friend that day. Ms. Brown should not be released! If life meant 80 years, then she should serve 80 years (and that is not enough)!

  • mgratk Feb 16, 4:37 p.m.

    I think it is really nice that the murder victims get credit for good behavior, too, and get their death sentences reduced. It's great to get a chance to come back to life after serving 15 years or so out of a death sentence. Yeah. Sweet. That IS the way it works, right?

  • LambeauSouth Feb 16, 3:50 p.m.

    The Justices will have the final say. This is not a simple matter of time served with good credits added. One Justice seems to be looking at this the correct way.
    "Justice Patricia Timmons-Goodson noted that the "life" terms were qualified by an 80-year limit. The statute says that "a sentence of life imprisonment shall be considered as a sentence of imprisonment for a term of 80 years in the state's prison."

    "It has been defined differently, but you continue to talk in terms as 'life sentence, life sentence, life sentence,'" Timmons-Goodson said.

    Jane Allen, an attorney for inmates Alford Jones and Faye Brown, summed up her argument by declaring: "The Legislature said this is a sentence of 80-year incarceration. Period."

    But Justice Mark Martin dismissed her simplicity: "It's a little more confusing than that, because they call it 'life.'"

    Once they determine this then they will move to the Good Credits issue, which of course is for the General Population and not "Lifers"

  • wildcat Feb 16, 3:44 p.m.

    Keep them where they belong ... in prison!

    Not going to happen. The courts gave them a certain time of years to serve in prison. Once the time has been served by the criminals, they will be ALLOWED TO BE FREE.

  • woodrowboyd2 Feb 16, 3:33 p.m.

    have a good cry
    they will walk
    when 80 years was a life sentence the advrage guy lived to be maybe late 50s
    so at the time this law was made it was the right way to go
    now we live 70 or more so they changed the way the law was written
    cry on

  • Tarheelfan13 Feb 16, 3:19 p.m.

    JennyN our court systems are supposed to follow the rule of law and not emotion. I am not for one second condoning what these people have done. But what has made this country great is that throughout the historical course of this great nation that our judiciary has for the most part been faithful to uphold laws passed by our elective representatives. If a state or any government entity can automatically change the rules after the fact then what would stop the governemnt entity from not doing it in another case? That is why our founding fathers outlawed ex post facto. It only gives the government room and power for abuse. I understand this case is sensitive because of the nature of the crime and I for one am a proponent of longer and tougher prison sentences. But in the longrun it is better for socirty that the rule of law prevail. Thankfully, newer murder laws are more comprehensive and more severe in punishment. But in this case the rule of law should be upheld.

  • wildcat Feb 16, 3:17 p.m.

    Sooner or later, regardless they will have served their time and then be able to get out. It happens all the time. You cannot keep them lock up forever if the person has made the time that the court gave to them. Life or death in prison is another story.

  • JennyN Feb 16, 3:10 p.m.

    If they get out you can believe that our court systems are really messed up!

  • JennyN Feb 16, 3:09 p.m.

    Keep them where they belong ... in prison! They took a life by violent acts and should have to pay for that. If they did not want to be in prison they should have thought about that before they did the crimes!

  • Scubagirl Feb 16, 2:57 p.m.

    80 years will be up sometime around 2055ish, let them out then!

  • Tarheelfan13 Feb 16, 2:55 p.m.

    To continue what I was alluding to as far as the Federal Judiciary possibly getting involved if the defendents do not get a favorable decision from the NC Supreme Court then they can petition the federal courts for relief since they would have exhausted all their remedies in the North Carolina court system. They would likely have a federal question be presented in that did the state of North Carolina deprive their 14th Amendment rights by denying their rights to credits thereby not fulfilling the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection under the law. Especially since it appears the state is now all of a sudden trying to change the rules which would be a clear violation of ex post facto which is Constitutionally illegal in this country. Basically the state cannot add to or cause to affect in a negative way a persons sentence or punishment even if new laws are enacted after the original sentence. Our founding fathers made ex post defacto illegal because it could be abused.

  • Tarheelfan13 Feb 16, 2:42 p.m.

    Prancy, it is true that you can be tried in both federal and state court for the same crime and it would not be construed as double jeopardy. That is because the federal government is a separate sovereign from the state government. You cannot be tried by the same level of government twice since that would constitute double jeopardy. However, in this case a state law enforcement officer was killed and not a federal law enforcement agent. Therefore, no federal law was broken and therefore no grounds for federal prosecution for the murder of the state trooper. Had it been a FBI, US Marshall or ATF agent discharging their federal duties when murdered then yes the federal government would have had grounds to prosecute. But in this case obviously a state trooper is not a federal agent. The irony is that ultimately it is possible a federal court could hear this case if the defendents do not get a favorable decision from the North Carolina Supreme Court.

  • tarheelblue919 Feb 16, 2:38 p.m.

    thats exactly what our government does...say one thing and do another....life means life! if they are sentenced to LIFE, then thats exactly what its supposed to mean! its almost funny to think of the loopholes that a criminal has but oh lord dont let someone skip out on paying taxes...just ridiculous! i feel sorry for the victims and their families, this HAS to be just heartbreaking!

  • blondectryrose Feb 16, 2:14 p.m.

    i think if u get sentenced to life in prison it should be just that!!! No getting an early realease for "good Behavior" or helping, blah blah blah!! Good behavior didnt get these people in there why let it get them out!!! this ills me to no end!! i think if we did the eye for an eye law there would be a heck of alot lower crime status!!

  • awomnsptofview Feb 16, 2:03 p.m.

    jodsum... are you joking? Their rights? One of them (at least) was scheduled for the Death penalty..when it was commuted, to life with out parole,,who though life meant 25 years? They HAVE NO RIGHTS. ZIP NADA ZERO

  • Jatwork Feb 16, 2:00 p.m.

    I don't think the problem is the 80 year "life" sentence. We assume no one starts committing crimes at birth, so even at 15 a life sentence of 80 years will keep you in jail until you're 95.

    The problem is the time off for good behavior and such. There should be no such thing for people covicted of committing these heinous crimes.

  • gandalla Feb 16, 1:52 p.m.

    So an 80 year sentences can be cut to 34 and 36 years for good behavior???

    What a joke!

    Only in the south can a gov't be so ess-backwards that they define a life sentence as 80 years.
    commonsense4

    Thank you I been trying to explain this to people all morning. The problem started when someone said hey lets make a life sentance defined as 80 years.

  • commonsense4 Feb 16, 1:49 p.m.

    So an 80 year sentences can be cut to 34 and 36 years for good behavior???

    What a joke!

    Only in the south can a gov't be so ess-backwards that they define a life sentence as 80 years.

  • jurydoc Feb 16, 1:47 p.m.

    Please remember that these folks were sentenced under the laws in place at the time. These laws have since been changed and most of what everyone is complaining about has been "fixed." We now have sentences of life without parole for first degree murder. Thus, they earn no good time or gain time since they are not eligible for parole in the first place. The only question relevant to these cases is what were the relevant laws in place at the time of their sentencing and the subsequent changes that affected them. What we "think," "believe," "wish it were" or "want it to be" is moot. There were laws and policies on the books. These are what need to be interpreted and applied to decide this question of release. Period.

  • gandalla Feb 16, 1:14 p.m.

    I thought a 'life sentece' means that they are to stay in prison for life? Obviously the laws don't protect the innocent here in this case. Also, I understand the law Gandalla!
    My opinion not yours

    So, then you can understand what horrible move it was to define a life sentance as being 80 years.

  • wolfpacker1 Feb 16, 1:14 p.m.

    DO THE CRIME DO THE TIME!

  • gandalla Feb 16, 1:13 p.m.

    It's just a terrible situation. THey should stay in prison for the rest of their life, yet the law says otherwise.

    Does anyone know if they could still be prosecuted in federal court for the murders? There is no statute of limitations on murder, but I don't know all the requirements for prosecuting in Federal Court. I hope they try everything possible to keep them behind bars.
    Prancy

    They cannot be tried again that would be a violation of the double jeporady rules.

  • gandalla Feb 16, 1:12 p.m.

    gandalla, Their sentence was 80 years. They should not get out early for good behavior or anything like that. If they would have been so good they wouldn't be locked up. Give me a break! I am tired of people always expecting something. The families of the people they murdered didn't get spared so why should these two criminals?
    2beachy4u

    Like I said before they didnt write the rules they just played by them. The weakness of the laws are due to the authors. First, they limited a life sentance to 80 years. Second, they did nothing to prohibit those serving life sentance from earning good time. Its said that are leaders were so short sighted about this, but the truth is they served their time per the rules of the law. The ones who served there time per the rules of the law should be released and then our lawmakers need to rewrite the laws so this doesnt happen in the future. They can fix it in the future by simply writting a life sentance is defined as the remainder of the personslif

  • My opinion not yours Feb 16, 1:10 p.m.

    I thought a 'life sentece' means that they are to stay in prison for life? Obviously the laws don't protect the innocent here in this case. Also, I understand the law Gandalla!

  • msncdso Feb 16, 1:09 p.m.

    They did the time in accordance with how the law was written. Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?
    gandalla

    It's hard to understand because convicted murderers should not be receiving "good behaviour credits" in the first place.
    Life should mean life and wipe those smug looks off their faces. If Bev wins this battle, I will try to bring myself to vote for her next time.

  • Prancy Feb 16, 1:08 p.m.

    It's just a terrible situation. THey should stay in prison for the rest of their life, yet the law says otherwise.

    Does anyone know if they could still be prosecuted in federal court for the murders? There is no statute of limitations on murder, but I don't know all the requirements for prosecuting in Federal Court. I hope they try everything possible to keep them behind bars.

  • 007KnightRider Feb 16, 1:00 p.m.

    "Keep them locked up." - LOC

    + 1

  • 2beachy4u Feb 16, 12:59 p.m.

    gandalla, Their sentence was 80 years. They should not get out early for good behavior or anything like that. If they would have been so good they wouldn't be locked up. Give me a break! I am tired of people always expecting something. The families of the people they murdered didn't get spared so why should these two criminals?

  • gandalla Feb 16, 12:51 p.m.

    They need to continue their "life sentence" in jail. They will just be 2 more people my tax dollars feed and give medicaid to. They did the crime and need to do the time. This is ridiculous. I sure hope the judge sees it this way...
    2beachy4u

    They did the time in accordance with how the law was written. Why is this such a hard concept for people to understand?

  • 2beachy4u Feb 16, 12:45 p.m.

    They need to continue their "life sentence" in jail. They will just be 2 more people my tax dollars feed and give medicaid to. They did the crime and need to do the time. This is ridiculous. I sure hope the judge sees it this way...

  • Deep Thought Feb 16, 12:36 p.m.

    I can't believe that people convicted of these terrible crimes can earn 2 days early release for every one day they serve. Who came up with that dumb rule?

    So a rapist can just sit in prison for a year and earn 2 years early release?????
    A 10 year sentence served earns 20 years early release? Why bother to send anyone to jail.

  • leo-nc Feb 16, 12:31 p.m.

    "These two need to be let out. The rules are the rules. These two didnt make them, they just play by them. If there is an outcry it should be against the lawmakers that authored these weak punishments"---

    They stopped playing by the rules when they murdered a State Trooper

  • gandalla Feb 16, 12:17 p.m.

    These two need to be let out. The rules are the rules. These two didnt make them, they just play by them. If there is an outcry it should be against the lawmakers that authored these weak punishments.

  • question_why Feb 16, 11:58 a.m.

    I agree that these 2 should not be let out of jail but also that we must adhere to the rules so my take would be somewhere middle of the road.

    If law said they would be allowed "out of jail", let them out but instead mandate house arrest and monitor with ankle bracelet. When they break the house arrest, back to jail they go.

  • LOC Feb 16, 11:56 a.m.

    Keep them locked up.

  • alwaysconcernedmom Feb 16, 11:53 a.m.

    I am a firm believer that if you take another life, you give up the right to live...whether that is in prison or not.

    These 2 do not deserve to be in our society. They will be non productive citizens and will probably kill again. So another 2 lives will need to be wasted before anything will be done. Very sad.

  • pappybigtuna1 Feb 16, 11:50 a.m.

    "Government by the people for the people will not perish". If you want your voice heard, this is the wrong country to speak out. The stupidity is the fault of the electorate, we put the same people or people just like them back in office and they do it to us again! A wise man once said, "stupid people should'nt breed"

  • thinkbee Feb 16, 11:38 a.m.

    Keep 'em locked up - that's the sentence.... life means life. The people they killed would probably have liked another chance at life here with their families too.

  • Tarheelfan13 Feb 16, 11:31 a.m.

    The problem here is that the state of North Carolina is trying to change the rules after the fact which is a Constitutional violation of ex post facto. I am not happy to see these people possibly released but we live in a society that adheres to the rule of law which is what makes our society and government to have been stable like it has. The blame should go to the legislatures in the past who defined a life sentence as 80 years. That is why it is so important for our General Assembly to pay attention to specifics and future ramifications of legislation. As far as not applying equal good behavior credits to these people could be construed as a possible violation of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution especially if no legislation specifically denies good credits to people in their status. No matter what the NC Supreme Court decision is I would not be surprised if the federal judiciary gets involved since it is apparent that the state cannot mete its own laws fairly.

  • samiam1244 Feb 16, 10:59 a.m.

    If Ms Brown killed a police officer during robbing a bank, then she obviously didn't have a job. so she thinks she can get a job and be an upstanding citizen now and work for a living. she just wants out from behind those bars at any cost she does not care for the police officer or his family. If it were my family member I would be fighting tooth and nail to keep her behind bars the rest of her life.

  • NC is my home Feb 16, 10:56 a.m.

    If you can't do the time--don't do the crime. Both of these people knew they were doing wrong when they did it. They were tried & sentenced to Life. Unless there is some new evidence to prove their innocence, why should they be released? Life doesn't come with parole options. Way to go Gov! Thanks for trying to keep us safe!

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