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Vietnam Vet Dec 4, 4:20 p.m.
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again. Life sentence is just that...LIFE! You get out of prison when you die. It isn't rocket science people!
Dick Dec 3, 6:51 p.m.
Who did Folston murder, and for what reason? If released, he can come into my "neighborhood". I can take it from there.
oldschooltarheel Dec 3, 6:02 p.m.
bbfan - no fan of Huckabee here but I do think your statement about the shooter in WA state is grossly incorrect. Huckabee, as Gov. of Arkansas, commuted a sentence given to a 16 yo for UNarmed robbery of 100+ years to 46 years. This was AFTER the convict served 11 years in state prison. Huckabee had no role in his release (only the parole board can do that in Arkansas). FTR - at that time the convict did not demonstrate the increasingly erractic & violent behavior that he was clearly showing in the months before the murder of those 4 LEOs. In fact, he had assaulted an LEO & was charged with that assault & sexual assault of a 12 yo in the months before the LEOs murder. Still, he was given a low bail without any psychiatric evaluation - Jesus? that u? Cut loose to do what he did. If you want to play "pin the blame" I suggest the following: 1. get your facts correct before playing; 2. evaluate the situation clearly. Might be your 16 yo getting a way out of proportion sentence next time.
ngsoldier13p Dec 3, 4:22 p.m.
To soldier and public safety
Our legislature didn't pass an "life means 80 yr" law. It's based on case law, which was made by a judge. Case law can be overturned, it happens often. Sometimes it helps the criminals (Arizona vs Miranda, Arizona vs Gant) and sometimes it helps LEOs (Graham vs Connor). So it seems like the criminal justice system is working to solve a problem that they created a long time ago, when people weren't living as long bc of the lack of medical technology that we now have today, and are required by...wait for it...CASE LAW to give to inmates. These guys were convicted of a crime, sentenced to life, and now the State is trying to make sure they get it. Kudos to the State...just my $0.02...and PS, I am a soldier currently serving in Iraq and also a LEO for a good sized city in NC...
artist Dec 3, 4:15 p.m.
"Ok, when they were sentenced they got life, and that was 80 years at the time, but there were no good behavior credits. Now, life is forever, but there's good behavior credits. So, these inmates want to chose the definition of "life" from 1975 and the credit for good behavior from 1990. They should either get one set of rules or the other, not pick and choose."
And yes - another reason to support the death penalty. The longer these murderers live, the more lawyers pick up their cases for headlines. People only seem to remember the last man standing... not the victims.
dohicky Dec 3, 3:39 p.m.
If the guy did not have good behaviour then he should not get credit. Isn't this what the court is going to decide. Seems I rememberf reading where his record was not good but can't say without looking back at the reports. Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. I think they should let him out an he should go live with the parole board members. THey could take turns having him in their homes.
Tax Man Dec 3, 3:38 p.m.
So this guy got LIFE, then later it was determined that LIFE was really 80 years - but if you add 80 years to his date of conviction that still would be 2063 before he was eligible for release. Don't they teach math in the DOC or the Courts? He still has 54 years to go before he should get out even under the less than Life rules.
Iamcornholio Dec 3, 2:48 p.m.
Cornholio "These criminals did not care about the law whenever they commited their crime, they broke the law, turn-a-bout is fair play with them, so let's see how they like it. Keep them in."
Sorry, the state has to follow their laws, that's what makes them different from the criminals.
There is really no difference between the state and the criminals.
Milkman Dec 3, 2:44 p.m.
Ok, when they were sentenced they got life, and that was 80 years at the time, but there were no good behavior credits. Now, life is forever, but there's good behavior credits. So, these inmates want to chose the definition of "life" from 1975 and the credit for good behavior from 1990. They should either get one set of rules or the other, not pick and choose.
bill0 Dec 3, 2:39 p.m.
MillerB - maybe you can volunteer to serve time in prison even though the law says you should be free.
The law is the law. If you break the law, you should face the penalty. Once you serve the sentence you were given under that law, then that should be it. If a citizen doesn't think a law is just or the punishment is appropriate, they should run for office or vote for someone who shares their opinion.
In this case, that is what happened. Most of the people who made this law are no longer in office. It has been changed so that Life really does mean Life and not just 80 years. However, nobody can go back in time and change the sentences for these men. The governor had no right to hold them in prison even 1 day longer than their term.
jjesusfreak01 Dec 3, 2:33 p.m.
"These criminals did not care about the law whenever they commited their crime, they broke the law, turn-a-bout is fair play with them, so let's see how they like it. Keep them in."
Sorry, the state has to follow their laws, that's what makes them different from the criminals.
pbjbeach Dec 3, 2:25 p.m.
You are 100% correctthis is just another typical example of the state an it's leadership in both the governors office an the states legisture anytime that they get caught with their pants down they always are wanting a do over. i personaly do not think these people should be release either but the lw is the law an if you ask me the state of north carolina should not get another shot at these people by extending their sentences for unjustified reasons especialy in light of the current judges order. so i say the state should not get a second bite of this aple correct the laws for the future cases so that it cant come back an bite the state in the back side next time around but fore now as bad as i hate to say it realese these people thank you
MillerB Dec 3, 2:20 p.m.
soldier & publicsafety- Tell you what, why don't you two volunteer to let these murderers and rapists move into your neighborhoods.
Iamcornholio Dec 3, 1:47 p.m.
These criminals did not care about the law whenever they commited their crime, they broke the law, turn-a-bout is fair play with them, so let's see how they like it. Keep them in.
publicsafety1 Dec 3, 1:07 p.m.
You hit the nail square on the head. I don't like the thought of these people getting out anymore than anyone else here but the law is the law, however screwed up it was/is. The laws are supposed to apply to EVERYONE right or wrong. You simply can not change the rules in midstream because you don't like the outcome of the current/previous rules.
Iwasasoldier4u Dec 3, 12:13 p.m.
All of you on here are barking up the wrong tree. It has nothing to do with the DA's, defense attorneys, and certainly not the inmates involved in this. It is strictly on the legislature that passed the laws. Now with that said some of the people that are trying to be released absolutely should stay locked up, but the fact remains the law is the law. The state now is breaking a court order which in itself is a violation of the law. I think what this all boils down to is the state was caught with its pants down and now they can't bear the public scrutiny about a law that they passed.
jwstevens04 Dec 3, 12:02 p.m.
If they let these people out now, after the massacre in Seattle, after the guy's sentence was commuted, then our judicial system and it's components are dumber than I thought. No good comes of releasing violent offenders. Just ask those of us who have lost family memebers in the line of duty, to criminals who should have never been out of jail. Just ask the families of the four slain in Washington state....I'd bet they'll be in agreeance.
Lead by Example Dec 3, 11:46 a.m.
More reason to support the death penalty; most of these inmates were originally sent to death row, and should have been executed by now.
Tax Man Dec 3, 11:45 a.m.
The defense attorneys are doing their job - now the other attorneys need to do theirs! Life should be Life (you die in prison) otherwise the jury/judge would have given a term of years or months. How hard is that to understand? If a sentence is 10 - 15 years, then that means, with perfect behavior and no other crimes you can get out in 10 years, with bad behavior they can keep you for the full 15 years. Life should be Life - until you die! For your entire life. If they believe life is only 80 years then you should be in prison for the full 80 years with good behavior, longer with bad behavior. Seems so simple and clear. Life or 80 years or 40 years - Life is LIFE - for ALL OF YOUR LIFE. If they want them out earlier ask the Governor to pardon them!
bbfan Dec 3, 11:42 a.m.
The shooter from Seattle who shot 4 cops was supposed to serve 108 years in prison in Arkansas. Gov. Huckabee let him out early. How is that looking for Arkansas right now?
FragmentFour Dec 3, 10:49 a.m.
Good behavior has been supported by prison officials and the correctional/justice system as a way of giving people with long sentences motivation to work toward early(er) release instead of having nothing to loose by behaving badly. Not sure how this has worked out statistically, and haven't been able to find any hard data to support either continued use or discontinuance.
rcrdngcountry Dec 3, 10:27 a.m.
you are in for life, that means as long as you live.don't matter
how you behave. make it hard or light on your self. the prison
system is there to control you. it wasn't good behaver that sent
you there, and it should have nothing with getting you out early.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03