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rcham68 Nov 20, 10:37 a.m.
This is what is wrong with our Government today. Gov. Purdue or anyone else knew the intentions of those that made the law back in the 70's. But they think just because of their position they can change it. I worked in the prison system for 13 years and have seen some inmates with the same crime let go. I say if the served the time that was given to them and they have not been in any trouble while in the system then they should be let go, and save the tax payer the money it cost to keep them there. I also feel that if NC wants to save taxpayers money then they should cut off the cable television that is provided to the inmates. There are people living and trying to make it in this world that can't have cable TV soo why should inmates be afforded this luxury?
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 20, 10:24 a.m.
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TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 20, 10:24 a.m.
"I see people up here talking about the rules and how they can't be changed. This is true but, we are talking about people convicted of murder and rape. I bet if they were to murder or rape you once released you would not be talking about how the rules aren't fair. Maybe they should be released and sent to see you to do what they did that landed them in prison the first time."
And I bet if the state did something illegal to you or your family, you wouldn't be so eager to let the state get away with something illegal.
You're missing the point. I don't WANT these people released. Nor do I want the state doing things they are not legally authorized to do.
If the police broke down your door without reason and without a warrant, searched your house, left it in an absolute mess after finding nothing illegal, I bet you'd be more than happy to sue them for illegal search and seizures. Our government HAS to function within the law or we may as well have anar
coolwill43 Nov 20, 10:03 a.m.
Perdue can defy a judge’s order but she cannot do anything about illegal immigration. She can’t even do anything about the community colleges alloying illegal immigrants’ to go to our schools or work on state contract. With unemployment being as high as it is she should start making demands for the legal US citizens.
kbo80 Nov 20, 9:44 a.m.
I see people up here talking about the rules and how they can't be changed. This is true but, we are talking about people convicted of murder and rape. I bet if they were to murder or rape you once released you would not be talking about how the rules aren't fair. Maybe they should be released and sent to see you to do what they did that landed them in prison the first time.
SME2 Nov 20, 9:14 a.m.
This proves that it is okay to trample on people's rights as long as they are convicts.
I wonder how many people would be up in arms if a graduating Class at NCSU was told after they had completed all requirments for their degree that they had to take more classes? Just because the school Presidents did not like their Class.
we-r-just-human Nov 19, 7:18 p.m.
"Bowden and his attorneys argued that good behavior and other credits have shortened the sentences"
Why didn't these folks think about "good behavior" before they ended up in jail?
we-r-just-human Nov 19, 7:11 p.m.
"China has executed nine men for crimes committed during July"
News story on Nov.9 2009 .. If the US followed this time frame we wouldn't be dealing with this MESS...
ncemployee Nov 19, 7:09 p.m.
Another great waste of state money. I hope they all sue and win. You can't change the rules at the end of a game. Even a child knows that!
INDLS Nov 19, 6:39 p.m.
"the ONLY issue here is that Perdue doesn't want to let the BLACK inmates out without SUPERVISION. i'm ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that the inmates would simply agree to be supervised like the WHITE female inmate Perdue has working for her who is supervised. just let the black inmates agree to supervision and let them out just like the white female was let out. don't blame the inmates for taking advantage of the law, the law should not only work against but it should be able to work for you also."
Amazing how race ALWAYS gets dragged into it. Let's look beyond the above post that I did a copy and paste of and let me suggest that the author volunteer to have these guys move into his neighborhood. Color won't matter then, wonder if he has a wife and children. Maybe one of these fine, reformed gentlemen could babysit, or do some yard work for his wife.
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 19, 6:36 p.m.
Good one, twc!
twc Nov 19, 6:22 p.m.
Reminds me of my favorite NC license plate: "THINK AHEA".
twc Nov 19, 6:20 p.m.
TruthBKnown Returns, you're absolutely right. Just because lawmakers don't do their job intelligently, don't take it out on the bad guys. Next time--THINK!!
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 19, 5:28 p.m.
Like it or not, these prisoners WILL be out after appeals. They served their time -- LEGALLY-SPEAKING -- as was defined at the time of their sentencing. They played by the rules. They shortened their sentences with good behavior. I don't want them on the streets, either. But what scares me MORE than that is a government that can change the rules after the fact and not abide by their own sentencing. We have laws to keep our government in check, too, you know. If we don't abide by our current laws, we may as well just have anarchy.
But don't BLINDLY follow the rule of law, like one moron recently suggested I was a moron for doing... you work to CHANGE the bad laws. Until you change the laws, you abide by the current laws. And when you do change the laws, the change only applies to future cases. Changes to laws cannot and should not be applied retroactively to old cases in a negative way.
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 19, 5:23 p.m.
"Lawlz, that was me. I'm all about common sense. I can't stand when people think that the criminal law is like gravity. These laws can change and I truly believe that in certain instances it's justified. To just say, "Welp, the law is the law" and follow it blindly is 100% moronic."
Who said criminal law is like gravity? Or to follow it blindly? When laws are wrong, you change them. Or fight to change them. Clearly, that will be done.
These vermin served their sentences as defined by the law. We CANNOT keep them locked up simply because we don't like that. If you don't like the law (and none of us do in this case), we change it. But you can't change a law, retroactively, and have it affect a prison sentence negatively.
Someone could rob a store to feed their family today and serve 10 year for it. Nine years from now, the penalty for robbing a store might be 20 years. Is it fair to make the original robber serve an additional 10 years? Of course not. He served his sentence. Period.
dcblackburn1963 Nov 19, 5:19 p.m.
maybe we should let these KILLERS out...let them live with the lawyers who are trying to get them out of prison!!!!!
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot Nov 19, 5:05 p.m.
'Someone even called me "stupid"'
Lawlz, that was me. I'm all about common sense. I can't stand when people think that the criminal law is like gravity. These laws can change and I truly believe that in certain instances it's justified. To just say, "Welp, the law is the law" and follow it blindly is 100% moronic.
In this case though I think they are (or were) looking for loopholes to keep them in, which is tantamount to following the letter of the law or getting out on a technicality.
What's more, it should be automatic that violent crime entitles you to nothing.
teacher-mom Nov 19, 4:42 p.m.
Where is this James Woodward? THey should surround him and his family. I do not think someone like that should be allowed to change the laws. Life means Life!
Apex Man Nov 19, 4:24 p.m.
This time the law is being changed to affect prisoners. Next time the law may be changed to affect you. If the legislature wants to ammend the law thats fine, but it should apply to those convicted after the change in the law. Some prisoners may have plead guilty of a crime knowing they would earn credit for good behavior. Maybe this can be a lesson on writing good legislation.
Proud Young Grandma Nov 19, 4:21 p.m.
From what I read, no one changed the law now... it's just the prisoners want it interpreted one way and not the other. They thought they had found a loophole - and that was not the case after all.
BeenHereSince67 Nov 19, 4:19 p.m.
I would never have thought that there would be so many people living in my state of NC with such hate and divisiveness in their hearts. I'm an NC native, 60 y.o. who has seen a lot of water, political and otherwise go under the bridge over the years. Some of the comments on this board are just stunning! So many of you seem to hate the concept of "government". We live in a democracy. We are going to get government by the people who were voted into office by the people who took the time to go out and cast their votes. Those who don't like what the last election produced must wait for the next general election to try to get what they view as change. The PEOPLE of the nation and the State of NC cast their votes. The party that was IN power is OUT for the time being. Stop being such a bunch of Whining Haters about everything you don't like about the present political structure. Three years from now, MAYBE, you'll be able to change it. Chill out y'all!
artist Nov 19, 4:18 p.m.
"There is no question as to guilt - only how changes in the law are retroactively applied."
Exactly - no one is trying to allow a law to be changed.... the criminals are trying to get the law re-interpreted in their favor.... 40 years later.
Tarheelfan13 Nov 19, 4:16 p.m.
Taxman laws cannot retroactively negatively affect a persons sentence. Retroactive laws can only legally affect a persons sentence in a positive way.
Tax Man Nov 19, 4:06 p.m.
Truthbeknown, How could they have "served" their sentences? They were either to die or after commuted remain for the rest of their natural lives. Just because of some bogus language after the fact they believe they can circumvent what the jury decided for punishment - well, they need to stay in for at least 80 years - that still lets some out early, but they should had died in the gas chamber or by natural causes while in prison. They need to stay where they are! There is no question as to guilt - only how changes in the law are retroactively applied. Life is fine since we can't seem to execute anyone these days.
Tarheelfan13 Nov 19, 4:04 p.m.
I agree TruthBKnown Returns. I am a conservative myself but we are a nation that is supposed to follow the rule of law. One of the very principles this country was founded on was issues such as this were the government cannot add emotionally wrought unjustifiable additional punishment to the original sentence as the law was written at the time. One might say that these people should be serving longer because of what they did. Well logically that is true. But the fault lays at the NC legislature who at the time enacted less stringent punishments for major crimes. Which is why I always advocate that our elected leaders need to pay more attention and detail to the future consequences of laws they pass. The law is on the prisoners side in this one thanks to the not so much attention to detail our lawmakers put into what constitutes life in prison at the time.
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 19, 3:53 p.m.
I'm a little surprised that there are so many people that don't care about the laws in this country, that only want these people to remain behind bars at any cost. Someone even called me "stupid". I'm sorry, but the end does not justify the means in this kind of case. I'd LOVE to keep these animals behind bars until they die. Many of them probably deserve to spend 30 days in the electric chair! I'm totally with you all on being glad that they're remaining behind bars. Trust me, I'm no bleeding heart liberal. I'm probably as conservative as one can be!
But we all need to put down our torches and stop dancing in the streets long enough to realize the dangerous precedent that this sets. That's all I'm saying. I'm glad for the results, but unhappy about the way the law was circumvented in the process.
I really believe this will be overturned and the prisoners released. As much as we don't want to admit it, but they served their sentences by law. And we're keeping them in jail anyway.
jahausa Nov 19, 3:38 p.m.
We don't like the law - so let's just change it on the fly. And you people are applauding. Wow. The ignorance on how scoiety works runs rampant...
Tarheelfan13 Nov 19, 3:35 p.m.
I think this will be eventually overturned by the courts. Ex post facto is Constitutionally illegal in this country. The state cannot on a whim change the rules after the fact to affect a prisoners sentence in a more negative way. What concerns me is that these prisoners will likely sue and win a lot of money from the state to the detriment of the taxpayers. I will not be surprised if this case made it to federal court and a federal judge overrules the Executive Branch and orders the inmates releases. The Governor of North Carolina may grandstand with the state court systems but if a federal court gets involved the Governor will have no legal authority to grandstand and keep the inmates behind bars. Ex post facto takes legal authority even over the Executive Branch of North Carolina.
GetRight Nov 19, 3:34 p.m.
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I have to...
Good job Gov. Perdue! You actually just earned some respect from me. Please keep it up. Common sense, not political correctness.
catalyst74 Nov 19, 3:33 p.m.
arfamr1006 said: "NO, common sense would have enforced the death penalty...and last I heard, the average life sentence lasts about 20 years...thats why you can get multiple life sentences and still be alive at the end."
No complaints from me on that logic! It would surely save a lot of money. The only argument would be on the "once in a while" occasion where an incorrectly accused person faced the death penalty when they were in fact innocent, unless dna proved otherwise.
Chole Nov 19, 3:31 p.m.
intuit Nov 19, 3:28 p.m.
Nice work gubna
SME2 Nov 19, 3:26 p.m.
Pay attention to the word before release, "UNCONDITIONAL". It does not mean they can not earn parole and still get out.
At least that is how I read the article.
arfamr1006 Nov 19, 3:15 p.m.
So all of this screaming and teeth gnashing was about nothing? Makes me wonder what it was the state govt was trying to divert attention from.
is there a website showing what bills pass in the state legislature? that would be intersting to see if they hoodwinked everyone
moth Nov 19, 3:08 p.m.
So all of this screaming and teeth gnashing was about nothing?
Makes me wonder what it was the state govt was trying to divert attention from.
Raptor06 Nov 19, 3:01 p.m.
"I say "Good job" Gov. Perdue." MillerB
arfamr1006 Nov 19, 2:52 p.m.
it's just funny to me that the same liberals that want to extend the sentences are the ones who wrote the laws that are trying to let these people free
DeathRow-IFeelYourPain-NOT Nov 19, 2:43 p.m.
I am first and foremost for doing what is within your legal rights. IF extending the prison time for these inmates is within the law, I am 100% behind this decision. In my opinion, violent rapes should be a Life Sentence. If ALL criminals had to serve the entire time of their sentence, it would be a HUGE deterant to crime.... with the Death Sentence being the ultimate deterant, when used as it should.
Miss Jexy Nov 19, 2:43 p.m.
"For all of you who are whining about the Guv "bending" the law to keep these murderers and rapists in prison.....how long do you think Mr Bowden, a DOUBLE murderer, searched through the laws to find a loophole he could ABUSE to get free? How many judges, etc do you HONESTLY think knew about this 80 year old law, and if they had, don't you think they would have changed it? Oh, wait, no, you don't, because then you wouldn't have anything to complain about. I say "Good job" Gov. Perdue."
*clap* Took the words right out of my mouth.
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot Nov 19, 2:38 p.m.
"But technically, they were within the law and LEGALLY-SPEAKING, they probably should be released. It bothers me a little that we're changing the laws in the middle of the game."
Don't be so...what's the word I'm looking for here...stupid. The rules were changed mid game when a life sentence became eighty years, then forty, then thirty plus time off for "good" behavior. If we are to stick to the letter of the law then life should equal "until they're dead". I would have been happy with the eighty they got.
MillerB Nov 19, 2:36 p.m.
For all of you who are whining about the Guv "bending" the law to keep these murderers and rapists in prison.....how long do you think Mr Bowden, a DOUBLE murderer, searched through the laws to find a loophole he could ABUSE to get free? How many judges, etc do you HONESTLY think knew about this 80 year old law, and if they had, don't you think they would have changed it? Oh, wait, no, you don't, because then you wouldn't have anything to complain about.
I say "Good job" Gov. Perdue.
arfamr1006 Nov 19, 2:35 p.m.
arfamr1006 - Common sense, that's what changed the law. Life sentence is not a life sentence until the subject of said sentence is no longer alive. Someone found a loophole by which exploitive means to lessen the sentence was attempted. The only logical course of action was to change the law in order to prevent the release of individuals who did not deserve to walk free.
NO, common sense would have enforced the death penalty...and last I heard, the average life sentence lasts about 20 years...thats why you can get multiple life sentences and still be alive at the end
rob2lw2 Nov 19, 2:34 p.m.
isn't that the way of our elected government officials to change the law. Not that i want a bunch of rapist or murders runnung around but we already have that and these people are really old.Let them out with supervision or something.These people served their time. The ones going in today don't get that much time for the same crimes and are out in few short years for murder or rape. Our government!!! oh well america was great once upon a time
caniacincary Nov 19, 2:29 p.m.
These people have served their time and should have been released. I hope they can appeal the decision. To make it worse, they were told they were getting out and they were making plans for their release. They have been done wrong.
What about murders and rapists who get plea bargains. They serve a few years and they are out. Oh wait, they are on parole so they won't hurt anyone else. Exhibit A (Eve Carson).
There are violent people who live all around us. Check http://www.felonspy.com/continue.html and type in your street address. You may be suprised.
There are people who have not been in jail and are living next to us, working with us and shopping with us who just may be more dangerous than the inmates who should be released.
Think about it......
jafarmg2 Nov 19, 2:28 p.m.
How is it that Perdue can just make up the laws as she goes along???? Keller is wrong. Perdue is wrong.
snshine62d Nov 19, 2:24 p.m.
Fiestysp wrote: They will all be dead by then.
Exactly....they can never hurt anyone again
tatermommy52 Nov 19, 2:18 p.m.
Well hooray for the Democrats for not turning killers and rapists loose on us. Lets buy Sarah Palin a house in NC and run her for governor.
me2you Nov 19, 2:17 p.m.
You can complain all you want that they were changing or bending the laws. I don't care what they do as long as these beasts are not let out.
alshomes Nov 19, 2:13 p.m.
Good job governor. For those of you who think this is a race issue get a life and quit crying.
TruthBKnown Banned Again02 Nov 19, 2:13 p.m.
"Please run for office, Middle-Road. So I can vote for your opponent. You're dangerous."
Fog, Middle-Road is actually right on this. Hey, I'm a conservative. I'm all for locking people up and throwing away the key, as long as it is all done by rule of law. We're not keeping these fine folks in jail by rule of law. We're "bending" (breaking?) our own laws to do it.
If this gets appealed, or makes it to the supreme court, they will be released. And they should be. I hate that, but the law dictates that they should be released. It may be a technicality, but it is what it is. We can't just do stuff because we WANT to. If the law doesn't support this, they have to be released.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2015-01-14 14:37:58