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franklkinney May 8, 2009
frighten young man of 16 taken from home and out of state from his widow mother and security of his home and community? charged with crime? NO! did authorities find bomb NO? PRANK CALL PERIOD! young man mother say a hacker got on his computer system? his defence? this authorities take and keep them from each other? child they keep from his own mother? talk about extreamist threat to ones rights? a child" this is how our goverment treats children over nothing more than prank call? which he says he did not do? priority! parks taken over by drug gangs and people are told to stay out because they are armed? armed and protecting their dope crops in america live? i think that was georgia? priority? storm troopers invade widow mother and childs home on bomb threat call find nothing? held and taken out of state? by waco national guard veterans you think? priorities extreamist goverment? homeland security borders ports left wide open? priorities? action? hate crimes? extreamist? AMEN.
Xiaoding May 7, 2009
"THE FBI DOES NOT ARREST A 16-YEAR-OLD, AND KEEP HIM FOR TWO MONTHS, AND INVOKE A GAG ORDER, FOR NO REASON!"
Justify this statement. Facts, please. Please explain what a 16 year old can do to justify this treatment.
Xiaoding May 7, 2009
"Anyway, for all of you so scared of the Patriot Act, we had to do somethig to nab terrorists quickly without waiting for some liberal judge to sign a warrant. I know this reeks of Fascism, but, it had to be done in this case."
What on Earth on you blabbing about? what do you mean by "this case"?
pesnowdog May 7, 2009
Ok people here is contact information to get involved in this.
This Hagan's contact info:
521 Dirksen Senate Office
Washington, DC 20510
# GREENSBORO OFFICE – STATE HEADQUARTERS
701 Green Valley Rd; Suite 201 Greensboro, NC 27408
Phone: 336-333-5311 Fax: 336-333-5331 # RALEIGH OFFICE
310 New Bern Avenue Raleigh, NC 27601
Phone: 919-856-4630 Fax: 919-856-4053
For Burr: email: http://burr.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
Washington, DC 217 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 Phone: (202) 224-3154 Fax: (202) 228-2981
Winston-Salem 2000 West First Street Suite 508 Winston-Salem, NC 27104 Phone: (800) 685-8916 Phone: (336) 631-5125 Fax: (336) 725-4493
Governor Perdue: email: http://www.governor.state.nc.us/eTownhall/suggestionBox.aspx Phone: (919)733-4240 Fax: (919)733-2120
No excuses, anyone! Light up these phone/fax and email lines!
jimposter May 7, 2009
16 year old kids are not terrorists, at least not unless raised in a Madrassa in dunghill country in Pakistan and indoctrinated since birth to be one. Even if there is any truth to the allegations it should be handled by the juvenile justice system. In times of crisis bad decisions are made by lawmakers. The Patriot Act, in certain respects, was a bad decision. Someone should alert as many media people as possible about this case and it should make the rounds of talk radio in order to get the word out. There is absolutely no excuse for violating the constitution. When due process is ignored the rule of law disappears. This is a truth firmly entrenched in western concepts of government since the Magna Carta.
inlo May 7, 2009
The Feds do not have to announce they are acting under the Patriot Act. Why is a teenager shipped to Indiana. NC has no youth facilities the feds can use? Maybe it is because Indiana has a high population of home schoolers, but most don't hate guns.
From watching 24 you can hijack an IP Address, but unless they hacked directly into the computer the 'experts' can determine if the activity happened on that specific computer.
tgw May 7, 2009
This story seems to be missing several parts. I do not understand-however, the so much being seeled, we may not know for a while.
Anyway, for all of you so scared of the Patriot Act, we had to do somethig to nab terrorists quickly without waiting for some liberal judge to sign a warrant. I know this reeks of Fascism,
but, it had to be done in this case.
You need to be worried about a President "giving" auto companies to the Unions(should make for great negotiations), replacing CEo's with his cronnies, threatening banks, actually bulliing corperations,
snubbing the Brisish PM(our most sacred ally), kissing the hand of a Saudi Prince(how many 9-11 guys were Saudi?), snubbing the Christian world on the National Day of Prayer, and ....
I have said for 2 years that Barack Obama was a Muslim-Al Queida
sleeper-and you guys drank the kool aid. Hope you survive. I'm ready to...
hornetskc May 7, 2009
Read the article more closely please. The only person in this article claiming that the Patriot Act is in play here is the mother. Authorities have their usual 24 hours to declare on what charges they are holding this minor. To rush to blame Patriot Act in this case is ignorant of the powers of the Patriot Act and being done to satisfy some other agenda I believe.
1153rsmith May 7, 2009
schopenhauer, how is it that you think that because a person homeschools, their child was "kicked" out of school. It seems you are trying to imply that homeschoolers who don't like guns can't be trusted.
The only thing I know about this case is what has been printed. I can't believe this case is not getting more attention in the media.
How would you feel if this were your son sitting in a detention center several states away?
schopenhauer May 6, 2009
Mom started to list bomb-making ingredients, then stopped and said she didn't know how to build a bomb.
Mom claims her son's ISP# was hacked, and then complained that his computer was taken.
She is a home-schooling mom who "hates guns" which leads me to believe that her little darling was kicked out school so she is home schooling out of necessity.
Mom is making incorrect claims about the Patriot Act; honesty clearly means nothing to her.
Mom is probably hoping to rile up the populist nutz so they act unconstitutionally (and pile on the authorities) to free her guilty son.
Is that "former" federal attorney her current boyfriend? Why else would he defend her silly claims?
There is absolutely no reason to believe one word that comes out of that woman's mouth!
THE FBI DOES NOT ARREST A 16-YEAR-OLD, AND KEEP HIM FOR TWO MONTHS, AND INVOKE A GAG ORDER, FOR NO REASON!
Halyard May 6, 2009
Its long past time to be afraid of our govt.....freedom is going away really fast.
racialcoward May 6, 2009
The States of the United States created the Federal Government. The Federal Government did not creat the States. Nepollitano, do you copy?
racialcoward May 6, 2009
Is this young boy being held at The Army facility at Ft.Bragg?
racialcoward May 6, 2009
IN THE 1700s THE BRITISH SHIPPED AMERICANS TO ENGLAND TO STAND TRIAL WITHOUT ANY RIGHTS
This young boy is North Caralina's first sacrifice to the new alter of liberty and freedom. Obama eats hambergers and releases trained Taliban Terrorists sworn to kill Americans into the USA while he orders the round up of young Middle Class White Boys. Tea anyone?
Xiaoding May 6, 2009
"Patriot Act doesn't supersede the Constitution and due process wasn't suspended."
ASTOUNDING ignorance of history here.
Hey, remember slavery? NOW considered "unconstitutional"? If so, why did it TAKE A WAR to get rid of it?
All sorts of bad, unconstitutional law gets passed, and ENFORCED, until it's stopped. Or do you think the constitution fairy takes care of such things?
Due process was not suspended? what about the right of HABEUS CORPUS? Or the right to a SPEEDY PUBLIC TRIAL? Or the right to FACE YOUR ACCUSER?
Please actually read the story.
mikewill May 6, 2009
Whether he's guilty is not the point. The Constitution is the point. It is to be followed regardless of presumed guilt or innocence. Any supposed "law" that violates the Constitution is no law at all. Any legislature that has anything to do with passing such a law is the traitor to this country and the one who should be in jail. And then after due process he/she should get what any traitor to the Constitution should get. If the Patriot Act allows this kind of abuse then it is no "Patriot" Act at all.
jkbhawduygds May 6, 2009
I hate it when news organizations print statements from a person with no expertise in a field and then print it as fact. Like the mothers opinion of the Patriot Act. The mother is wrong about the patriot act and the patriot act has no bearing in this matter, feel free to follow the DOJ link in the story to read more.
The Patriot Act has no bearing on this case, the kid could have been arrested prior to the Patriot Act even being enacted.
1. Crime was committed.
2. Crime was investigated.
3. Discovery of IP address associated with computer at address and a connection made to the kid in the story.
4. Search warrant, issued by a judge, was served.
5. Evidence of crime recovered and child taken into custody.
Kids can be held in jail awaiting trial. Nowhere in the story did it say the kid is held incommunicado, it just said, "Very little access" which probably means 1 hour weekly visit.
Patriot Act doesn't supersede the Constitution and due process wasn't suspended.
crantzdd May 6, 2009
Also, I don't know if he did it or not. But I love how some are just assuming he's innocent.
And I love how the center of the story is how his mother says he's innocent. Wow, there's a reliable source.
Let's let them investigate this.
NCTravellinman May 6, 2009
What does being home schooled have to do with this story?
Xiaoding May 6, 2009
"Remember that a sixteen year is just as capable of killing thousands "
How, exactly? Please, deranged thougths interest me.
Timetogo May 6, 2009
I don't get it.. they took his computer.. did they find evidence it was done from there?? Can they not locate real terrorists any better than that? If he was a REAL terrorist, I don't think he'd be in jail right now. :(
skippy1 May 6, 2009
I would not be surprised if the present administration (which I see as saturated in corruption) had this staged as to send a message concerning the liberal hated Patriot Act. It could be a planted abuse, to show it can be abused. More discouragement from this current administration to dispirit those who wish to fight for what this country could be.
trevor7578 May 6, 2009
He was "taken away" because he attended a tea party and his mom voted for McCain. More to come from our great new leaders.
rich5 May 6, 2009
Mom sure knew a lot about making bombs.
normson7 May 6, 2009
It's a sad commentary on the state of our nation when a citizen is incarcerated with no trial or evidence shown other than hearsay. This is against the Constitution, the ultimate law.
If the boy is guilty, he should be tried; if there is no evidence or proof, he should be set free. The "Patriot Act" is not patriotic, it is a panic reaction. It does not protect us, it puts us in the same league as our enemies.
thr1240 May 6, 2009
What, you mean the innocent have something to fear??
Remember the old saying, a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged? Well, it seems a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested for something he didn't do. The time to worry about hard-working white Americans getting scooped up by the Patriot Act was when it was being written and passed...or did we really think it would never be used on "one of us"?
Clover May 6, 2009
NC Homeschool Law Requirements
-Send DNPE a Notice of Intent to Operate a School. The notice must include the name and address of the school along with the name of the school's owner and chief administrator
***Hold at least a HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA or its equivalent
-Elect to operate under either Part 1 or Part 2 of Article 39 of the North Carolina General Statutes as a religious or as a non-religious school
-Operate the school on a regular schedule, excluding reasonable holidays and vacations, during at least nine calendar months of the year
-Maintain at the school disease immunization and annual attendance records for each student
-Have a nationally standardized achievement test administered annually to each student. The test must involve the subject areas of English grammar, reading, spelling, and mathematics. Records of the test results must be retained at the school for at least one year and made available to DNPE when requested.
-Notify DNPE when the school is no long in operation
SME2 May 6, 2009
I can guarantee you I'd be relocating to where ever he is being held. If they moved him I'd go there too.
Clover May 6, 2009
"Sigh...nothing scary about a 16 year old homeschooled by a 10th grade drop out wrapping themselves in flags. "
A 10th grade drop-out? Where are you getting your information, boomer? The article says nothing of the sort.
BTW, per NC homeschool law, a high school diploma or equivalent is required.
webberx101 May 6, 2009
Moriarty May 6, 2009
Is your level of intolerance and your hatred for Freedom that far along? Clearly, you have gone beyond the level of pathological, and into the realm of utterly sick and deranged, to make a glib and factually twisted statement like that. Here we have a story that's a real concern; this is indeed like something out of a third-world dictatorship. Known terrorists get more consideration than this American kid. And the best you can come up with is that witless nonsense you posted?
boomer7391 May 6, 2009
Sigh...nothing scary about a 16 year old homeschooled by a 10th grade drop out wrapping themselves in flags. Thank God we have the right wing Patriot Act to keep us safe from the right wing.
hi_i_am_wade May 6, 2009
"Any society that would give up a little bit of liberty to gain a little bit of security will deserve neither and lose both" -- Benjamin Franklin.
Nothing is supposed to supersede the constitution. This is an example of something that sounds good until it is used immorally. This country is slowly turning into a police state, specifically a communist state. It was started under Bush, but Obama is doing nothing to stop it. It is happening gradually so people do not notice or complain. But people are being scared into doing things they would not normally do. We have to give up our rights, we are told the world will be 10 feet under water soon, we are told the Taliban is hiding in this country, and we are told the economy is in danger.
The terrorists don't have to bomb a building to win. Global warming doesn't have to be real for the eco-nuts to win. And so forth. We are witnessing the beginning of the end. It starts with denying constitutional rights like due process.
paulsonnathan May 6, 2009
what I think is very obvious and is not clear in the story is that THE KID DID IT and should be arrested...you don't make bomb threats anywhere without consequences...I'm GLAD they arrested the little delinquent and have him off the street...you want people making bomb threats free to walk around in public and do whatever they want?...THINK PEOPLE!
zypldot May 6, 2009
I feel sorry for the mom. When they hear about this they will take her children away from her (with whatever they can create to justify it). They attack single parents, home schoolers, and families where they can adopt out the kids. If you know this woman, tell her to look out for CPS. Go to kidjacked.com and read the horror stories.
tbajr May 6, 2009
The Patriot Act should never have been passed, it was in planning prior to 9/11 just waiting for an excuse to implement it. The Patriot Act - The Act againist American Patriots!
robertobarreto May 6, 2009
Agree with "Happyswimmers" and Mom, this is exactly how the Patriot Act is supposed to work, swiftly and decisively. Remember that a sixteen year is just as capable of killing thousands and if the government those not interve and stop him on time then you would be outraged that they didn't. Our justice system is not perfect but I guarantee you is the best in the entire world.
jukvuh May 6, 2009
Not enough information to make a conclusion.
"Dictator?" Bush indeed did sign the law that was mainly written by people from the Clinton administrator. So can we now blame Dictator Clinton for his part in the crime and Dictator Obama for continuing the charade. Some people swallow things hook, line and sinker before finding out how dumb they look.
Too many things missing from this story. What really is going on? We don't know, do we? Did make front page news though. Go to the comic section.
resnls May 6, 2009
As a home schooled student, this young man is clearly intellectually superior to the average public school educated child. Obviously, if he has indeed made a bomb threat, he is the sort of individual that POTUS Obamanation deems qualified to act as presidential advisor. In all probability he is, at this very minute, up to his eyeballs working on plans to interrupt future actions of the "unclean" right-wing insurgents heretofore known as American citizens.
happyswimmers May 6, 2009
Oh please. How many times does the mom of a serial criminal say "oh no, not my son. he was at church". Oh please. What is his history? Why is he homeschooled? Kicked out of public school for threats? Violence? There is more to this story than written here. C'mon, everyone's mom is on their side!!!
pdjskm May 6, 2009
As much as the Dems, including Dear Reader (Obama), screamed about the Patriot Act, this makes me wonder if their disproval was really only concern over Republicans having this power or if they are now deliberately overreaching on this case so that they can justifying the elimination of the Patriot Act.
mcampolongo May 6, 2009
This is change we can believe in!
animalfarmusa1 May 6, 2009
If his IP address was hijacked, it would have been so much better if the person had made it appear that the child of Al Gore, Nanci Pelosi, Janet Napolitano, or BO sent the threat. I bet they wouldn't be sitting in jail right now.
wildernesstwo May 6, 2009
To understand the mind of the 1930's German, read the comments of noturavrgjane.
ippontsukino May 4, 2009
Obama voted FOR the Patriot Act and he is all for renewing it. Corporations and international bankers rule the good old USA, not the president. When gun rights get stripped away we will lose all that we have left as far as freedom.
If agents busted into my house with my 2 toddlers and puppies I will be protecting us with my AR-15.
scratch3386 May 4, 2009
Good grief, what horrible reporting. Far too little detail. For instance, U.S. Attorney "Dan Boyce" talks about how bad the Patriot Act is. But the article reveals that Boyce is "not connected to the Lundeby case."
So what IS Boyce's connection to this matter? Was he sought out by the TV reporters, or the mother? Did HE seek THEM out? IS there a lawyer connected to the case? I'm having a hard time imagining any mom with a kid incarcerated and held incommunicado for two whole months, and who's convinced of his innocence, who wouldn't either a) have a lawyer already or b) be pleading for one if given the chance for a television interview.
What serious, responsible news reporter wouldn't find out whether there's a lawyer, and interview them instead of one NOT connected? Or at least investigate why there's not one? And since the Feds provided a search warrant, why not report on exactly what was in it?
For such an important case, this is pretty sloppy 'reporting'.
christa030972 May 1, 2009
Clearly the kid did it. It wouldn't take but a few minutes for the Feds to check his computer's history log to see that the message did in fact come from his computer. Or phone.
They haven't been holding him this long without having done their homework here.
Nahuel May 1, 2009
"This is the United States, and I feel like I live in a third world country now."
Erm... Excuse me lady, but only in "The United States" you'll get tagged as a terrorist and have your constitutional rights revoked after someone played tricks on your computer.
Xiaoding May 1, 2009
" think I have your number also. You don't have a clue. We don't really know enough info on the case of this 17 year old yet. So it is to early to really come to a conclusion only going on his mother's info. But the Nazis have a document history. To even try to compare the two is beyond the pale."
We don't know what happened, because the child is being held incommunicado by the FBI! Explain that! What could a 16 year old possibly do, to justify that?
I hope no one ever calls about you, or a memeberof your family. Your views are traitorous, to the whole notion of human rights, to the constitution, to this great nation. People died, and are dying, forthe roght to trial, to the right to answeer charges, to the right to face their accuser, but people like you...please move to Argentina. May history forget that you and I were ever countrymen.
ignc73 Apr 30, 2009
"We don't really know enough info on the case of this 17 year old yet."
It doesn't matter what happened. We have a legal system set up to determine what happened. The important part is that his rights are being violated.
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