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  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 10, 2009

    Due_whats_right.What is the system doing to help? What are the kids and parents doing to help themselves? There were many programs at the facility,and I'm sure more have been put in place since i left the field almost 3 years ago from drug rehab groups,to one on one counseling which is what I did. Don't get me wrong, I know that some do change and a lot want to change, but with my experience I've noticed that most want something for nothing. Nothing warms my heart than to see a student that I had in the past come up to me and say that they've suceeded in life and have goals, I was merely stating that the "MAJORITY" of these kids don't want to change. What do you suggest the system does to educate these kids on how to be productive citizens? Let them go out and just continue to commit crimes, rape, murder and deal drugs w/ out dealing with the consequences. Again, go volunteer at a center and see for yourself, since it sounds like to me that you think they are wasting the kids time..

  • E.Scooter Apr 10, 2009

    "nooooooooo we can't spank our kids, that's Child abuse. I was spanked as a child and I've never shot someone in the face. Maybe not a direct correlation but it definitely helped input some speed bumps in my decision making process."

    I agree! I was spanked too (BIG difference from abuse) And I would never dream of doing something like this! Praying for a speedy FULL recovery physically and mentally!

  • spiritalecto Apr 10, 2009

    Get rid of the Constitution? Are you people insane? If you don't agree with the Constitution, move to another country. That outdated piece of paper is what makes this country unique, democratic and is a great part of what allows you to make outlandish comments like that without governmental retribution.

    The real issue here is not guns. The answer is not to make more laws but to better enforce the ones we have. Prison has long been shown to be an inefficient deterrent for criminals, so it's our penal system that needs change, not our gun policy.

  • bradh2 Apr 10, 2009

    OK bradh, so pretend you have to choose one option. You can have higher murder rate but lower robbery rate. Or, you can have lower murder rate but higher robbery rate. Which do you pick?

    I choose to be able to defend myself against those that would commit the acts you list above. How would you defend yourself against someone who wants to cause harm to you or your family harm? If you say The Police, be prepared to wait up to an hour for them to respond.

  • batcave Apr 10, 2009

    Not about guns , it's about the loss of value people place on someones life. It starts at home. People want something tangible to blame , like a gun. Sorry , won't fix the problem.

  • commonsensical Apr 9, 2009

    bradh: Motor vehicles are a big problem in this country too. They kill many more people than guns do, right?

  • due_whats_right Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K - I am sorry you feel that all kids are the same. Perhaps you have left of should leave the juvenile system since you don't even believe in the very people you serve. There is still hope, please don't kill it. Maybe you need to change your location in order to change your outlook. Perhaps if you see the young people who "are" doing, you won't think that every teenage is the same. And may I ask, what is the juvenile system doing to "really" help?

  • due_whats_right Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K - again you judge! I have been an educator for 12 years in 2 urban high schools. I am currently a 2nd year administrator at a 6-12 alternative school, where student there have severe emotional and behavior issues. On any given day I get papers for my juveniles to be locked up from 3 to 10 days, only for them to come back to saying how good the food is in lock up, especially on Sundays. After their shoes are taken and they are on lock, they just chill until their time is over. They come back BRAGGING about begin locked up. I have seniors who cannot read as well as a 3rd grader but are having babies. I hear how they have all the answers on how they are going to make it without an education. BUT inspite of all of that, I also have the PLEASURE of seeing young people prevail, inspite of their environments, cirucumstances and those naysays who would rather lock them up than to expose them to a different life. Can I give up on them - no we have to work harder! Judge not!

  • Hip-Shot Apr 9, 2009

    It's not about guns, it's about the decay of our society. Guns happen to be the tool of choice for a lot of thugs that commit these horrendous crimes. Banning firearms only serves to punish law-abiding citizens. Until our society is fixed we will continue to have these types of incidents.

  • mwilliams2 Apr 9, 2009

    OK bradh, so pretend you have to choose one option. You can have higher murder rate but lower robbery rate. Or, you can have lower murder rate but higher robbery rate. Which do you pick?

    Personally I would rather be robbed than murdered, but, that's just me.

  • bradh2 Apr 9, 2009

    So what you are saying, bradh, is that you would prefer being murdered with a gun to being robbed with a knife?

    I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I was merely trying to point out that banning guns does not reduce crime. Criminals do not care about the law. Banning guns will prevent the law-abiding from defending themselves. What I would prefer is the ability for me to defend myself, and for criminals to be punished so severely they will think twice about harming others in the future. I would also prefer that parents start raising and taking responsibility for their kids again.

  • daMoFo Apr 9, 2009

    Every day......more GUNSHOT victims....
    moonpie
    April 9, 2009 11:37 a.m.
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    Everyday.....more drunk driver victims...

  • mwilliams2 Apr 9, 2009

    "However all other types of crime (robbery, assault, etc.) have gone up. Crimes with knives have gotten so bad they considered legislation to ban them."

    So what you are saying, bradh, is that you would prefer being murdered with a gun to being robbed with a knife?

  • bradh2 Apr 9, 2009

    .Guns are a part of the problem in this country. A very large part.

    Nope. The problem can be a number of things, but an inanimate object is not one of them. How about the failure to teach people responsibility and the inability for parents and school administrators to enforce discipline? How about people that have no respect for the law? Blame the person not the object.

  • cocker_mom Apr 9, 2009

    Prayers for the victim. This is a horrific crime and his recovery will be arduous.

    I sure hope this was not related to his job - because it's hard enough to get people to go into teaching without adding being shot to the downside. That's a lot to give up for the summers off.

    Not that a random shooting would make me feel any better, either.

    My gut is telling me this was someone with a score to settle and it was likely related to his job.

    What is WRONG with people? I just don't understand how you can make the leap from being angry or annoyed or picked on or unloved to trying to kill someone by shooting them in the face with a shotgun.

    I just shake my head.

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    This nonsense about someone's grandmother being more at risk in the event a gun restrictions is the most idiotic rational I have ever seen! I know so many gun-toting grannies. As we see often, too often, the elderly are the targets of gun violence or intimadation in the act of other crimes wherein the perpetrator has a weapon. Grow up, people....Guns are a part of the problem in this country. A very large part.
    anne53ozzy
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    April 9, 2009 5:14 p.m.
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    But the largest problem is people that don't use them responsibly...

  • itsnews2me Apr 9, 2009

    "Anyone know how many car accident related deaths there were in 2007?"

    Without looking it up specifically for 2007, I believe generally about 42,000 people are killed each year in the U.S. as a result of traffic accidents, and generally about a third of those are classified as "alcohol-related."

  • bradh2 Apr 9, 2009

    . In the UK for instance, where there are much tighter gun control laws, they have about 1/3 the homicide rate that we have here in the USA

    However all other types of crime (robbery, assault, etc.) have gone up. Crimes with knives have gotten so bad they considered legislation to ban them.

  • anne53ozzy Apr 9, 2009

    This nonsense about someone's grandmother being more at risk in the event a gun restrictions is the most idiotic rational I have ever seen! I know so many gun-toting grannies. As we see often, too often, the elderly are the targets of gun violence or intimadation in the act of other crimes wherein the perpetrator has a weapon. Grow up, people....Guns are a part of the problem in this country. A very large part.

  • Adelinthe Apr 9, 2009

    What a shame!

    Praying for him and his loved ones, and praying they catch the perp quickly.

    God bless.

    RB

  • turdferguson Apr 9, 2009

    Banning guns in the US at this point would result in only the criminals having guns. I'd like to know the statistics on what percentage of guns used in crimes were obtained legally.

  • mwilliams2 Apr 9, 2009

    "Coach K if you ban guns the human race will simply find another way to cause harm to each other. If there is a will (or and unstable mind) there is a way. People choose guns because it is the easiest way to inflict harm on another person."

    asm0106, this may be your opinion, but real world data shows otherwise. In the UK for instance, where there are much tighter gun control laws, they have about 1/3 the homicide rate that we have here in the USA. Now if your theory was correct, they should have about the same rate as we do, but they don't. It's harder for criminals to get guns, therefore, there are fewer homicides.

  • backwards Apr 9, 2009

    It's great to see that awhole page went up without someone commenting on my FACTS. The truth hurts and usually keeps people quiet. I hope this man can make a speedy recovery and that they catch these criminals. One more thing, the death penalty used to be okay also but now people picket against that too for attention. Let someone you love get murdered in cold blood and see if you're standing there picketing anymore. Later folks.

  • Worland Apr 9, 2009

    According to the FBI & BATFE, there were 14,831 murders in the USA in 2007. Of those 10,086 were firearm related. In the same year, some little known department in the gov't estimated guns were used in self defense 2,500,000 times.

    Anyone know how many car accident related deaths there were in 2007?

  • pka826 Apr 9, 2009

    wake up people, if you ban guns then it is survival of the fittest and my grandmother should not have to go fist to cuffs or knife fight an intruder, neither should you or I

  • missdawg Apr 9, 2009

    For all of you who support a gun ban, think about this - if guns are banned, criminals WILL develop a far more deadly weapon that YOU won't be able to have to protect yourself and your family. We have the technology. Is that what you want?

  • annemarek Apr 9, 2009

    Every citizen should have a gun and know how to use that gun. It should be secured so young children can not harm themselves. Crooks will always have guns. If these crooks know that every household has a gun and knows how to use them would they enter that home? Guns have never been the problem. This is not a gun issue but an issue regarding dangerous people who need to be stopped. Yes, use the gun if necessary.

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K if you ban guns the human race will simply find another way to cause harm to each other. If there is a will (or and unstable mind) there is a way. People choose guns because it is the easiest way to inflict harm on another person.
    asm0106
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    Or it's the COWARDLY way to go about handling a situation...

  • asm0106 Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K if you ban guns the human race will simply find another way to cause harm to each other. If there is a will (or and unstable mind) there is a way. People choose guns because it is the easiest way to inflict harm on another person.

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    backwards,

    I couldn't agree with you more!!!!!

  • Ibelieve Apr 9, 2009

    For all the comments concerning Obama banning guns, what will the secret service use to protect him??? Just a thought!!!

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K, If you shot at someone who came to get your guns if they were made illegal, how would you be any different than the criminals who are responsible for the recent shootings? You'd be shooting at law enforcement, and you would be reinforcing the anti-gun argument. By the way, it's spelled "discipline".
    Hammerhead
    April 9, 2009 2:56 p.m.
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    Hammerhead, Thanks for the correction in spelling. Since you are so smart I'm surprised you didn't catch the SARCASM in that post...

  • Garnerwolf1 Apr 9, 2009

    I haven't been on golo in a few days and now I remember why. The first post on the first story I read about someone being shot is bashing Christians, which obviously has nothing to do with the story. And people wonder why the world is going south in a handbasket...

  • backwards Apr 9, 2009

    Some of you lost people need to understand that my screen name is intended for you and not me. Some talk about Christians but tell me how often Christians march in parades for attention, picket for attention, start cults that commit massacres, and so on and so on. Our Constitution was fine until Democrats started entertaining your attention needing ideas. Maybe if some of you look into the past and you will see that this country used to be great, still crimes but not nearly as much. You used to be able to leave your door unlocked when you weren't home, go fishing and hunting in peace without some animal rights person complaining only because for some reason someone decided to listen to their ridiculous complaints. Maybe if people had a normal childhood and normal parents (man,woman) that were responsible and stayed married and did things that a family should then they wouldn't be so messed up and seeking ATENTION other ways. Do some research and you'll see.

  • Weaker Pelosi Apr 9, 2009

    Backwards: Or stop ignorant people from breeding, maybe you.

  • 4 kicks Apr 9, 2009

    could be a ticked off spouse/girlfriend/significant other - may not have anything to do with the school at all!

  • Hammerhead Apr 9, 2009

    Coach K,
    If you shot at someone who came to get your guns if they were made illegal, how would you be any different than the criminals who are responsible for the recent shootings? You'd be shooting at law enforcement, and you would be reinforcing the anti-gun argument. By the way, it's spelled "discipline".

  • Centurian Apr 9, 2009

    Even MORE folks are killed in automobile wrecks. Shall we ban cars too? We don't have a gun problem. We have a CRIMINAL problem.

  • mstan Apr 9, 2009

    Yes, I agree that people kill people, but having a gun makes it a lot more easy!!! Stabbing someone or choking someone is a bit more difficult on a persons mind (it takes more will), than just pointing something at someone and pulling your finger.

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    Where is all of this blame of students coming from? Do you really think that much less of our youth? And if so, what are you doing to give them something positive to do or have you just given up?

    due_whats_right, I ENCOURAGE you to work 15 YEARS for a juvenile detention center like i did, and THEN maybe you'd understand. What am i doing for them that is positive? How about I ask you, what are they doing to help themselves?? Trust me I gave 15 years of my life to these kids, they don't care, they want to live the way they think is cool, and they always want something for nothing. Please, go volunteer at a juvenile detention center and maybe you'll figure it out or your own...

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    This is yet another reason why all guns should be banned. Hopefully soon, with the help of Pres Obama, this will be a reality. There is no sense in this happening in this day and age.
    Shaleen
    ALL GUNS BE BANNED???? I can tell you right now that I love my fire arms, they'd have to come to my house dodging lead if that ever happens.Look, guns are a problem in this country, WHEN they are in the wrong hands, I've said it b4 and i know all of you have heard it b4, guns don't kill people, people kill people. If there was more dicipline in the homes, all this wouldn't be happening. If more people had mothers AND fathers, this wouldn't be happening. We need to know that we can SPANK our children and know that we don't have to look over our shoulders when we do so...

  • WRALblows Apr 9, 2009

    "Maybe he needs to change his insurance company.......I have my insurance with Smith & Wesson."

    And in such a case where someone pulls a car up beside you, their window down, aiming at your head at point plank range you will have time to get your gun out and shoot back?

    No. Here's reality: you still get shot in the face and bleed all over your "Insured by Smith and Wesson" decal. Sorry.

  • thought Apr 9, 2009

    This is just sad - prayers to the family. There are coo-coos everywhere. guns need regualted - but the guy that shot the cops were legal. it is the person. if this was a parent- OMG - I hope they go to jail- lose the kids and everything. there is no excuse for any one to hurt anyone -- paybacks......... ok i can see that for rape- or sometihng but susspention? no your kids deserve it. - laws are for the guilty not innocent. if a middle school kid is driving....... well, a bit old- may explain that. as I said once before- we need to get back to being a community- parent any child who needs it! if their parent doesn't like it- then they should have done it right in the first place.

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    I don't see this as a random act. Since it's middle school, probably a parent.
    CodeBlueEMT
    GOLO member since August 23, 2007
    April 9, 2009 11:46 a.m.

    Disagree CODEBLUE, the kids in middle school today are as large AND larger thank you or I at 13, 14,15 years of age, they hang out with the"older" crowd and are influenced by this crowd b/c they want acceptance. I'm putting my money on a disgruntled student that he may have suspended or expelled. Of course I could be wrong, but based on my past experience with the Juvenile Detention Center, this situation is NOT new news to me...

  • LaLa-Land Apr 9, 2009

    Can you imagine how much willpower this man must have to get shot in the face with a shotgun then drive himself 10 miles to a hospital?

  • BottomLine Apr 9, 2009

    Another reason to arm yourself... very said that an educator is the victim, and the illiterate continue their ways ...

  • Coach K is still GREAT Apr 9, 2009

    I have the same question as everyone else seems to have, what is happening around here lately? People are going nuts! More nuts than usual. Is there something in the water? Haha. :(

    General Ramam, what is happening is that the kids today CAN'T be SPANKED, therefore they are COWARDS, who think it's cool to handle problems or take their frustrations out on some one by using a gun.

    Unless we bring "Dicipline" back into our homes, it'll only get worse, and YES IT CAN GET WORSE.

    I worked in a juvenile detention center for almost 15 years.
    I'm totally out of that field now, thank the good lord, but the level of respect that these kids DIDN'T/DON'T have, only goes to show how far these KIDS are willing to go, to get what they want, or display the fact they were somehow "DICIPLINED" and they didn't agree with that dicipline. BRING BACK PADDLING IN SCHOOLS.Do some other type of dicipline for your kids b/s taking the X-BOX or the computer away from them b4 it's too late...

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Apr 9, 2009

    Brogden, I think the police would still have guns.

  • mccormickt33 Apr 9, 2009

    I am hearing that he got shot because a student was suspended. First I heard the student shot him and now I am hearing that a parent shot him. They had the school that he works at on lock down today according to some parents that I know that have kids at that school.

  • NoLiberals Apr 9, 2009

    kcfoxie, I pray for you and someday you will know why.

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