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  • jackaroe123 Oct 3, 2014

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    Your stance comes from the assumption that gay sex is something heterosexual people do when they lose control of themselves. That stance is dying fast, even within Christianity. It's falling by the wayside so fast I don't even need to waste time arguing it with you (though some days I will).

  • Jason Conaway Oct 3, 2014
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    Thats right! You have a choice. Having Christ as your savior doesnt make you weak, it makes you stronger. Without that book, you wouldnt be here!

  • Red Sox Nation Oct 3, 2014

    Imagine how great this country would be if we actually practiced freedom of religion. Just because people are so weak that they need to rely on a book to guide them through life, doesn't mean that we have to live our lives the same.

  • disgusted2010 Oct 3, 2014

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    You speak the truth. Much as many liberals do, they can't just have their beliefs and go about their business. They have to put it front and center and then try to push their beliefs on others who either dont believe the way they do or just don't care.

    The chip on the shoulder comment has hit it on the head.

    I am not prejudicd against anyone, but I do tire of reading about people who cry discrimination daily when if they would just go about their business no one would know or care about their "special" condition, what ever it may be.

  • KnowsItAll Oct 3, 2014

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    "The vast majority of antipathy toward gay people in this country is imagined. They walk around with a chip of their shoulder, constantly looking for a fight."

    No. The existence of Amendment 1 clearly proves you to be dead wrong.

    Gays are simply trying to live without interference from the Christian morality police who make antigay discrimination one of the central tenets of what they mistakenly label as their "faith".

  • Rachael Garner Oct 3, 2014
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    Sounds like a great guy. I would totally attend his church.

  • ncprr1 Oct 3, 2014

    The vast majority of antipathy toward gay people in this country is imagined. They walk around with a chip of their shoulder, constantly looking for a fight.
    The minister is a perv for even considering his 4 and 6 year old children in a sexual way.

  • KnowsItAll Oct 3, 2014

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    "All we can do is pray for these people!"

    No, you can also back it up with discriminatory legislation like Amendment 1 - and why, pray tell, does Amendment 1 not include heterosexual adulterers (I noticed you left that off your list of sinners below...)? if you decide to ditch your wife for one of those other women you find attractive, you can still remarry. Over and over and over ad infinitum (see Newt Gingrich as an example). If the sanctity of marriage is SOOOOO sooooo very important, why aren't heterosexual adulterers treated like gays when it comes to marriage??? Your god was clear on his opinion of adultery (even put it in the 10 commandments - which says nothing about homosexuality, so it wasn't in the Big 10 in his/her opinion) - but there are no civil penalties for adultery.

    Why?

    Could it be anti-gay bias?

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2014

    "We are seeing more and more churches turning to worldly ways" - jasonconaway6969


    Exactly! That opossum grinning Joel Olsteen is a perfect example of how churches have been turned from places of worship into secular businesses. They pass the collection plate while saying God is good, be happy, but don't to address the price of sin. The first time I heard this Olsteen character, he was talking about praying for a better table at a restaurant, or better parking spot at the mall, or better interest rate on a loan. And his clueless listeners eat it up. TRULY living a CHRISTIAN life is not all candy canes and lollipops. Many, many will talk the talk, but rarely do you find one that walks the walk.

  • Danny22 Oct 3, 2014

    This minister is absolutely right about the love part. We are to love everyone. BUT the Bible in many places is plain about gay sex being a sin. Love the person but don't condone the gay sex. Jasonconawy is absolutely correct-Excellent point about self control.

  • Eq Videri Oct 3, 2014
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    If only the white lesbian couple in Ohio suing their sperm bank for mistakenly providing black genes felt this way.

    Apparently, tolerance and acceptance have their limits among gay people pushing for tolerance and acceptance.

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2014

    "The vast majority of antipathy toward gay people in this country is the result of cruel, extreme religious interpretations" - jackaroe123


    Religious interpretations by those that don't live in a religious way. They don't need the bible to hate, but it's a convenient crutch. I think that most of the parents that kick their kids out because they are gay would do it regardless of what a biblical verse says.


    "Ever have theological discussions with a prayer group at a Red Lobster?" - Mon Account


    Done at various places, but no, never at a Red Lobster.


    "Who are you to judge him?" - Mon Account


    A reader, a thinker, and one who knows the bible. If the bible is real, his watered down doctrine will do more harm than good (i.e. ignoring wages of sin).


    "I think there's something in the bible about judging" -Mon Account

    Yes! And I'm perfectly fine with the "lest ye be judged" part!

  • Jason Conaway Oct 3, 2014
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    You may or may not be "born" gay. But either way you have a choice as to how you handle it. As a married man, I still find other women attractive. But that doesnt mean I have the right to cheat on my wife. Self control. People who are pedaphiles were probably born with some type of abnormal brain function. Just becasue they were born that way does not make it ok to act on their desires. As a Christian, we love everyone! Love! Not hate! We do not agree will nurturing sin. When you accept Christ you are to try your best to steer away from sinful ways. This includes homosexual activity, drunkenness,murder, phedaohilia,etc,etc. We are seeing more and more churches turning to worldly ways, and it is going to be a sad day when the trumpets blow! All we can do is pray for these people!

  • T-Man Oct 3, 2014

    "I am absolute sure God would not make someone gay."

    I'm very curious as to how you could possible be absolutely sure of anything God did or didn't do. As far as I'm concerned, that's not possible - that's the entire point of "faith"!

  • Kenneth Lawrence Oct 3, 2014
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    srw4720 - Here with go with more 'Christian victimization'. Oh poor me I just try to point out you are a sinner and not as good as me because I believe in x y and z. And if you don't then you're not worthy or equal human status to exist. Waaah waaah waaah.

    You got on here originally to post this, see partial. What other reason did you have other than to denigrate my existence as less than yours!
    .................
    His teachings you cannot be Scripturally Children of God and be openly being disobedient to God. He does not or will not or cannot be around or in the presence of sin.
    Read more at http://www.wral.com/share/page/1896337/?id=14039193#vHFTmpCGXiPoSfOw.99

  • Viewer Oct 3, 2014

    A parent writes that he will love and support his children. It is so sad that this story needs to be considered local "news" because most parents think that way. However the news also reminds me that locally we have plenty of child abuse from parents as well. Is disowning ones own flesh and blood for this an acceptable form of child abuse?

  • Fanny Chmelar Oct 3, 2014
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    Ever have theological discussions with a prayer group at a Red Lobster?

    The man walks on the side of God being inclusive and loving. Who are you to judge him? (I think there's something in the bible about judging, isn't there?)

  • sinenomine Oct 3, 2014

    Being gay is not a choice. Objectively it is an abnormality, like being born with six fingers on each hand or with a defective organ. We do not condemn people with physical abnormalities, or Downs, or those who have through time developed some disease or the other. They can't help it; why then condemn gays?

    I grew up during the civil rights era in a church in Washington DC. Racism was rampant. One Sunday our pastor declaimed "If I thought Jesus discriminated against negroes I wouldn't follow him from here to the corner of Wisconsin and Calvert [indicating the nearest intersection a couple of hundred feet away]." I feel the same with regard to gays.

    Quote your scriptural passages, please, always ignoring the ones having to do with justifying slavery or killing those who fail to keep the Sabbath. It is perfectly possible to know the Bible by heart and be able to spew verses like a computer and fail to comprehend any of the truth of the message.

  • Fanny Chmelar Oct 3, 2014
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    You do realize that those articles support the idea that orientation exists, but we don't know why, right? Your assertion that it is not innate is personal conjecture.

  • KnowsItAll Oct 3, 2014

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    you never answered Jankenpie's question though...

    so let me repeat it here: Where IS your outrage of divorced, biblical slavery, castration of young males in the bible that god apparently sanctioned, wearing of cloth of multiple fibers, eating of shellfish and on and on??

    Why haven't the pious defenders of marriage in NC started on Amendment 2 - you know, the one that would deny divorced heterosexuals the right to ever marry again? They got it wrong once - why should they get a second chance? Newt Gingrich is a serial adulterer and is STILL the darling of the Christian right who claim to believe in the "sanctity" of marriage. Why? Where is the religious voice on THIS?

    The double standard applied to divorced heterosexuals compared with homosexuals who want to marry is just one reason that Christian-fueled anti-gay discrimination appear to be motivated more by bigotry rather than Biblical principles.

  • jackaroe123 Oct 3, 2014

    "...it has nothing to do with Christianity. I think most of those that do kick their kids out don't do it because of religious doctrine, but because of societal doctrine and their own personal feelings."
    I strongly disagree, lightfoot. The vast majority of antipathy toward gay people in this country is the result of cruel, extreme religious interpretations.

  • srw4720 Oct 3, 2014

    Hey Jankenpie
    I do not mention the word Hate. I do not hate anyone. Is this your idea of diversity? Just because I choose to be a Christian, does not mean I hate you or someone else. Why don't you practice a little understanding that there are folks that plainly disagree with you and this does not mean that they hate you. If I hated my wife of 40 years every time I disagreed with her, we would have hurt, mained, or killed one another years ago. Discuss, do not throw venom at each other.

  • yellow_hat Oct 3, 2014

    Kudos to this man. He is a good father.

    Organized religion is the biggest con ever perpetuated on the human race, and we did it to ourselves.

  • KnowsItAll Oct 3, 2014

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    I'd prefer to enjoy this life - the ONLY one for those of us who do not believe in the promises of a glorious afterlife (or the threat of eternal damnation) - rather than live a life denying myself the pleasures that heterosexuals take for granted.

    Until someone can prove their claims of an afterlife, or unless I see some convincing evidence otherwise (sorry, a book written on parchment by nomadic shepherds wandering the deserts of the middle east thousands of years ago carries little weight with me), I'm going to enjoy this life - the real one - because it's the only one we get.

    Some say that we should believe - or pretend to believe - in God "just to be on the safe side". On the other hand, if they're wrong (and so far no evidence proving otherwise), we lose if we choose misery now just to please the priests and pharisees, in order to secure a promised spot in paradise in the next one. I'll pass on the empty promises of ancient myths.

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2014

    "This makes no sense at all." - Grand Union


    While I don't believe in gods, Monkey_Joe's post made perfect sense. He was differentiating between feelings and actions. If I think about taking a DVD without paying I'm not a criminal, but if I act on that thought and do take it, I'm then a criminal. A former boss, who is a Christian, frame it this way ... that God has given people different crosses to bear.

  • Monkey_Joe Oct 3, 2014

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    So I guess if you find your best friend's wife attractive, there is nothing you can do to stop yourself. You were born to be attracted so it's meant to be. Telling you to NOT act attracted is absurd, right? It has nothing to do with orientation. If you want to be moral, control yourself.

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  • KnowsItAll Oct 3, 2014

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    "I am absolute sure God would not make someone gay."

    How privileged you are to know the innermost workings of God's mind!

    Your claim bring to mind one of my favorite quotes:

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are c*cksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

    Bertrand Russell

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2014

    "Amazing- its nearly 1000 words with no theology in it. I check a few other posts of his and cant really find it there. " - glarg


    You're right. While he'll toss in a God or Christ word here and there, for most part his views are secular. He's like the countless "ministers" you see today, saying "don't worry, be happy", but they don't really talk about the tough subjects or wages of sin.

  • Kenneth Lawrence Oct 3, 2014
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    SRW4720 - You are just picking and choosing your verses to back up your decision to hate gays. Where is your outrage of divorced, biblical slavery, castration of young males in the bible that god apparently sanctioned, wearing of cloth of multiple fibers, eating of shellfish and on and on. I could quote endless scripture where your god commanded the wholesale slaughter of men women and children so please don't try to indoctrinate me or my kids into your cult of hate.

  • James Henderson Oct 3, 2014
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    Fact is, you lied about what the APA said. "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation"

  • Grand Union Oct 3, 2014

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    This makes no sense at all. Did you choose to "think" about who you are attracted to? Did you choose who you fell in love with. Christians have to fact up to the fact that being gay is NOT a choice and telling them not to act gay is as absurd as asking straight adults not to be act straight.
    If there really is a god, he would have to be a very cruel one to make people what they are and then punish them by denying them the very things the rest of take for granted.

  • glarg Oct 3, 2014

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    Well there is the whole "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket" and Jesus' last words of "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" but I am sure you know better.

    My critique is that Pavlovitz blog seems to be devoted to how everyone other than him is doing Christianity wrong. Its the Pharisee prayer: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people".

    I've read more of his blog and he has a 6 part series on reaction to a death of a relative. There is barely a mention of God in the all of the posts and nothing about how this fits into his understanding of escathology. There isnt even a reflection of John 11:25 or the sure and certain hope of the Resurrection.

    This doesnt make Pavlovitz a bad person. But it doesnt make me question taking theological advice from a one time pastor who sees little relevance for his religion in a death.

  • Duff Dry Oct 3, 2014

    Well played Pastor, but PLEASE don't embarrass your kids in the school cafeteria!

    Ha, j/k, it's our right and duty as parents to embarrass our kids, for the right reasons anyway..

  • srw4720 Oct 3, 2014

    You need to understand 2 very important truths. God's Love is completely unconditional. His love is always there. But the other truth is 1 that many folks do not grasp. God's Salvation is completely conditional. He says this all thru His teachings you cannot be Scripturally Children of God and be openly being disobedient to God. He does not or will not or cannot be around or in the presence of sin. He is pure and completely righteous and the only way to be in Him and He in you is that when He sees you, He sees Jesus... That is why like it says in John 3:1-21, when Nicodemus, a highly religious man of that day, asked Jesus how to get to heaven, Jesus answered him saying, “Ye must be born again.” I did not say this, Jesus said it. If there is 1 thing I have learned over the years, God does not care what I think. He has already said it.

  • Lightfoot3 Oct 3, 2014

    "A lot of parents of gay children kick them out of the house " - jackaroe123


    Some do, but it's not a majority, hence my use of the word "most".


    "Majority of homeless teens are gay and they're out on the streets because they came out to their parents and then got kicked out" - Mommyoftwo


    Don't know if that's true of not, but I'm saying the majority of gay teens are not on the streets.


    "Knowing Christian men like Mr. Pavlovitz are out there and PUBLICALLY telling of unconditional love will hopefully be infectious" - Mommyoftwo


    That's good, though it has nothing to do with Christianity. I think most of those that do kick their kids out don't do it because of religious doctrine, but because of societal doctrine and their own personal feelings.

  • Tammy Rush Oct 3, 2014
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    Homosexuality occurs in nature. Animals such as rams and bottlenose dolphins are known to practice homosexuality. This is scientific fact.

  • Kenneth Lawrence Oct 3, 2014
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    Any of you that thinks you 'choose' your sexual preference is gay or bi. Welcome to the club!

  • veyor Oct 3, 2014

    Newsflash: We Christians are commanded to love everybody. That said, we also are to warn.

  • Kenneth Lawrence Oct 3, 2014
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    Okay whosays, if you 'choose to be gay'...when did you choose? You are saying that you have the same attraction to men as women by saying that, so when did you choose?

  • Mike Hill Oct 3, 2014
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    I think this is an article just to illcit responses. 99% of fundamentalist Christians are going to love their children no matter what. It is a genetic trait, to not love your chil dbecuase he is homosexual is the same as not loving your child because he is short or nearsighted.

    We did have the unfortunate situation of our nephew, who was raised Mormon, to literally be shunned by the BYU community when the learned of his sexual orientation. They did not allow him to go on a mission because they said he was too "immature."

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    Of course you are going to love your child but as a moral parent, it is your duty to teach them right from wrong. Having gay feelings isn't a sin. It's acting on those feelings or actively thinking about it that will pull you away from God. In any case, it's not up to us to judge. Nobody is perfect but we should all be improving.

  • jackaroe123 Oct 3, 2014

    Newsflash, lightfoot: A lot of parents of gay children kick them out of the house or otherwise fail to demonstrate the love they may or may not feel. Seriously, LGBTQ is one of the largest demographics of homeless teens who are apart from their families.

    glarg, if Scripture-based faith isn't taken off the page and applied in the world around you, you're essentially treating it as if it were dead and you are worshiping it as if it were an idol. For it to "live," we have to use it. It is quite easy to see this as an application of multiple Biblical principles.

  • EricaSliver Oct 3, 2014

    This is a wonderful man...I wish all christians shared his love, compassion, and open mind.

  • Freda93 Oct 3, 2014

    A great Father?

    A great Father would have had expressed his feelings in private to his children. Rest assured this blog posting was not about his children. His real motives were achieved.

  • Karen Orndorff Oct 3, 2014
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    Not against loving the sinner though. Love the sinner not the sin.

  • Karen Orndorff Oct 3, 2014
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    Sorry fellow, God did not make them gay, it was a choice they had.

  • Maurice Pentico Jr. Oct 3, 2014
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    Christians are to love everyone.... but reject the sin.

    Fact is... Sexual orientation is not innate.

    All the credible scientific research, even by "gay" researchers indicate this.

    http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.pdf

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21309724/ns/health-health_care#.VC6dbvldX2U

  • John McCray Oct 3, 2014
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    "Ole Jesse" was at CBC for a decade, five decades ago...half a century ago! C'mon, move into the present. The point the article makes is that this man is trying to tell people that God makes no condition when it comes to loving your children, it should be automatic.

  • John McCray Oct 3, 2014
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    True Christians don't talk about their faith, they live it.

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