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  • WralCensorsAreBias Aug 5, 2014

    "Are you actually saying the public isn't smart enough to make the decision on their own?"

    Well you were smart enough to figure that out, kudos to you. The answer to your question, YES.

    The only ones selling themselves short are all of you buying into the lies you are fed every time they cry the sky is falling and they need billions more, and then being dumb enough to raise your own taxes.

    As a thanks for continuing to give them your naivety you get, "we can't even keep up with the two billion you gave us last year."

    So now they need four billion or more?

    Can't wait to hear what you'll get in return for that approval. I'm sure msot of you will be just fine with what ever they serve up as a thank you.

  • hiddentreasurescruecds Aug 5, 2014

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    Are you actually saying the public isn't smart enough to make the decision on their own? That the only reason they would vote for a school bond is because they were somehow hoodwinked by "elite outsiders"? The triangle region of NC is home to the most educated population in North Carolina, I do believe you are selling them short. Don't you?

  • Doug Pawlak Aug 5, 2014
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    I agree on your point two, but Coble could have had that point addressed without needing to dismiss the vote entirely. He used it as an excuse.

  • Doug Pawlak Aug 5, 2014
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    Please stay on topic.

  • short Aug 5, 2014

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    You mean unlike the democrats definition of a cut...you know ..where a food stamp program is slated to increase 5% in 2015..but then only gets a 3% increase in 2015 - thats a 'cut'.

  • WralCensorsAreBias Aug 5, 2014

    "When will the school board get enough? Is there ever an end to their "need"?

    Don't you mean an end to their "greed"?

    I'll tell you when the "end" will appear, just as soon as the majority of voters in Wake County decide they are tired of being conned by that liberal school board and the rich elites that they bring in each and every bond fight to do their dirty work conning the voters to approve it by scaring the public and telling us how quickly the sky is falling.

    Not a moment sooner.

  • same ole story Aug 5, 2014

    OK you got the money now it is time to SHOW IMPROVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pensive01 Aug 5, 2014

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    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

    You left out the additional part of the definition in your zeal to say how wrong the definition was. Do note that the part you so conveniently left out does apply to the form of democratic government known as a republic.

  • Patricia Coldren Aug 5, 2014
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    Here's an idea...instead of looking at percentages...look at the actual amount of money...you'll find that the actual amount of money being spent is going down. Yes...that's right...down...because the percentage is just one number. Just like all of you that hate educators and public education like to just look at one number and say our schools are failing when they aren't. One number doesn't tell you anything.

  • miseem Aug 5, 2014

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    And an educated work force does not attract relocating businesses? I guess they can import them from other states. As long as they don't have, or plan to have, any kids. Don't know of many families or businesses that want to relocate to a state with poor educational opportunities, regardless of the tax savings. And as far as teacher pay, how come Wall Streeters and corporate management never get criticized for multi million dollar bonuses, even golden parachutes when they do poorly, but the people that educate the population get treated like worthless moochers?

  • AmazedAtThis Aug 5, 2014

    A couple of thoughts:
    1 - Biggest raise in history....Not really. Long serving teachers at the higher end of the current pay scale will in many cases actually take a pay cut out of this deal. Can't be debated, it's a documented fact. Not here to debate why the Legislature is doing that, that's a different conversation, but that's the case.
    2 - Coble's point about the vague language in the resolution. Not a big Coble fan, but he's right on this point. If the tax money is 100% intended for teacher salary supplements forever, write that into the resolution. Why not?

  • Doug Pawlak Aug 5, 2014
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    "We need more money for teachers even though Republicans just gave them the largest raise in the history of North Carolina "

    What a completely wrong statement. Not even close. The "republican way" is to take away pay and then give it back and claim "it's a raise". The republican way is to change the salary schedule so that an increase from last year seems like a raise when it's actually a decrease. the republican way is to ignore raise under Easley and Hunt that were way larger than this one.

  • btneast Aug 5, 2014

    Democracy - Noun
    1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
    News flash, the U.S. is not a democracy. It is a republic, which is a form of democratic government. Their is a difference. You will understand it better if you look up the difference your self.

  • Doug Pawlak Aug 5, 2014
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    fjsmss2099-"We need more money for teachers even though Republicans just gave them the largest raise in the history of North Carolina "

    A completely bogus claim that's easily refuted by looking at the history of NC teacher raises. They also took longevity pay away in order to add to the raise so that it looks larger. Why just in 2006-2007, Easley gave an 8% raise with no strings attached that alone is larger than the actual net 4-5% raise that republicans are offering, most of which is going to new teachers. You've been informed so stop your lying. Page 15(16):

    http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/resources/data/highlights/2014highlights.pdf

  • garyspear Aug 5, 2014

    How is it that WRAL knows that the money would help pay teachers salaries when the commissioners can't make that determination. I agree with Paul Coble that you can't sell it for teachers if it doesn't say it is for teachers. No doubt it was intentionally written vaguely. WRAL should stay out of the slant business.

  • European American Aug 5, 2014

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    Do a search on which states get the most Fed. tax money, and contribute the least. You'll see they are Red states. Always against welfare, except when it comes to you.

  • Tom Boswell Aug 5, 2014
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    No joycejunior, we are not against education or teacher at all. What we are against is the the Democratic way. We need more money for teachers even though Republicans just gave them the largest raise in the history of North Carolina so we need to raises taxes again in less than one year. Now on the other hand Republicans say we need to raises teachers salaries and no new taxes we are going to cut pork out of the budget. Plain and simple the difference between the two party's. Do an internet search on states with the highest taxes and states with the highest budget deficits and you will see more blue than at the Smith Center and Cameron combined. .

  • joycejunior Aug 5, 2014

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    You're right! We're 48th in the country in education spending and we certainly don't want to hit 47th or something because that would just be putting money into a big money hole. Best to just pay the least so I don't have to pay taxes.

  • joycejunior Aug 5, 2014

    They're republicans, of course they're going to vote against education and teachers.

  • Pensive01 Aug 5, 2014

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    You need a better dictionary, or rather you need a dictionary. Here's the definition used in the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
    Democracy - Noun
    1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

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    You don't even know what big money lottery games that NC is involved in, hint LOTTO ain't one of them. It's enough to make one wonder what you know that ain't so.

  • hiddentreasurescruecds Aug 5, 2014

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    Actual definition in use today: Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally

  • Tom Boswell Aug 5, 2014
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    Democracy: noun, origin Middle French and definition tax and keep taxing than over spend all of this extra revenue until you create a deficit. Fool the people into the fact they are getting something.

  • Michael Lashley Aug 5, 2014
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    Why not let the people vote?

  • hiddentreasurescruecds Aug 5, 2014

    So the Wake County commissioners refused to put the referendum on the ballot? How democratic of them. I'm surprised so many here are happy about it, I had not idea so many hated democracy and everything it stands for. The people of Wake County should have been allowed to VOTE on the issue, but evidently the Wake County commissioners don't believe in democracy.

  • dwntwnboy2 Aug 5, 2014

    If Mr Coble is so concerned about there not being parameters on the money- then PUT those parameters on the money so that it can ONLY go for teacher raises and pay employees. It's very simple- put the parameters in the language of the request so that if it did pass, they would be clear and in place already.

  • Maurice Pentico Jr. Aug 5, 2014
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    Public education has become a bottomless money hole. The entire system of how and WHO pays for education needs to change. Until schools must compete for children/funding... it is only going to get worse.

  • bmac813 Aug 5, 2014

    I keep hearing that the LOTTO put $3 Billion Dollars into the Education System.
    Where, Mexico?

  • dwntwnboy2 Aug 5, 2014

    "allots liquor tax money to fund teacher raises"- drink up folks!!! It's for the children after all :-)

  • phippsy Aug 5, 2014

    Cut the needless spending.. NO MORE TAXES!

  • recontwice Aug 5, 2014

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    The most debunked theory in economics is that tax credits create jobs!

  • Maurice Pentico Jr. Aug 5, 2014
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    Sounds reasonable... I mean, $810 million approved last year on top of the regular annual budget, a 4.4 cent property tax increase and shifting liquor taxes... all for schools and teachers. CLEARLY the failing public education system isnt getting any cheaper. The US spends the most per student in the world... yet our kids test lower.

  • chris42m Aug 5, 2014

    When will the school board get enough? Is there ever an end to their "need"? According to the web site of the State Comptroller, 56% of the state's general fund went to support Education. That is over twice what was spent on DHHS;, almost 5 times what was spent on Public Safety, and and over 18 times what was spent on ALL other State Government services. And, that doesn't count all the additional monies given to them by Local and county governments, grants, and the lottery. Yet, they want another blank check to spend as they wish. Where exactly is this money going? If teachers are so under paid, where is the $1.2 Billion per month that the state is giving to education going? Could it be going to people like the administrator in Granville County that kept giving himself raises? I have no problem supporting education. I do have a problem with giving them a blank check with no accountability or responsibility to the Tax Payers. But they just want another blank check.

  • Confucius say Aug 5, 2014

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    Tax credits are offered to attract businesses to the area. Businesses that create jobs. You left out that part.

  • Tom Boswell Aug 5, 2014
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    billo, I have good news for you. You are one of those high earners because EVERYONE received a lower tax rate. The previous highest income level under Democrats for a couple was over $60,001. This level was taxed at 7.75% which was the tenth highest rate in the country. With all of this revenue coming in amazing that the Democrats still managed to create a 3.5 billion dollar deficit for the two year budget ending in 2012. This was the country's fifth largest at the time.

  • bill0 Aug 5, 2014

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    You are missing that the legislature passed hundreds of millions of dollars in tax cuts for higher earners and corporations. That is why they are scrambling to pay for basic services now. Somehow, tax cuts for high earners eventually "trickle down" as something else the middle class gets charged for.

  • European American Aug 5, 2014

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    Don't read much huh? Try reading the articles about House Bill 1224.

  • Joe Corey Aug 5, 2014
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    If the citizens of Wake County didn't want the tax, we could have turned it down instead of letting a bunch of Agenda 21 fanatics control our fate. As far as Tata goes, he wasn't that into education. Did he go looking for another job in education after he was ousted in Wake County? Nope. He went into the asphalt business.

  • Confucius say Aug 5, 2014

    "They reminded other commissioners that, although the county pays teacher supplements, it's the state's responsibility to fund teachers' base pay."

    Did y'all catch that? Complain to the State leaders, not the County leaders.

    I've got an idea, how about quit feeding kids all throughout the summer. This is school, not welfare. Give that money to the teachers. It's quite a large amount of money budgeted for this summer welfar system.

  • WralCensorsAreBias Aug 5, 2014

    Job well done Commissioners.

    We already know by the school system's latest threats of [we can't keep up with the two billion bond we recently conned you voters into approving] that they plan to come at us again soon for double that amount. Your knocking this tax hike out from under them will agitate them even more to stick it to tax payers with the next one, but it will help middle and lower income families in the meantime.

    "Why is it that the first thing these so-called lawmakers do is try to raise taxes"

    Read it again, it isn't lawmakers trying to raise taxes, it was the Wake school system. They would rather you pay for it so they can spend their money on what they want.

    Remember that the next time they tell you the sky is falling. It's always falling in Wake County according to the school system and their school board.

  • Tom Boswell Aug 5, 2014
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    Amazing how partisan politics plays role in every form of government. Wake County commissioners who are Republican controlled stops over spending and over taxing in Wake County. The school board as soon as they became Democratic controlled fires the newly appointed Republican Tata and replaces him with the Democrat Merrill. We give him 80% of a billion dollar last year and he comes back in less than a year and wants more for teacher raises after they will receive the largest raise ever in North Carolina history. He puts on this conference about how teachers are leaving in huge amounts and we must increase our taxes to give them more money. The turnover rate for the state through 2013 which is the latest available shows North Carolina with a 14% turnover rate versus 17% nationally. This is according to the NEA'S web site. Recently Wake County announced that 612 out of 9000 teachers left which is a turnover rate less than 7%. The supporting documentation shows that 312 of the 612 departu

  • Corey Jenkins Aug 5, 2014
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    Why is it that the first thing these so-called lawmakers do is try to raise taxes to pay for something. How about this, cut out the things that you don't need, like needless spending.

  • short Aug 5, 2014

    When does the added tax revenues catch up with ALL the people moving into Wake county so that taxes, etc do not have to be raised? I mean more people equals need for more schools but also equals added tax revenue to pay for said schools. Lets also not forget the Lottery passed in the middle of the not - remember how that was to be the cure-all. My tax rates went up in 2014 for added education funding - there's the added 4.4cent rate hike and now talk of a sales tax rate hike.

    I mean - what am I missing? I'm not saying teachers may not need to make more (dont we all) but what is Government doing? All these rate hikes - all this added funding and they still cant get 2 + 2 = 4. When is to much - too much?

  • Ricky Cash Aug 4, 2014

    I'm sure they made the right decision.

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