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  • Cathy Lane Jul 31, 2014
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    His opinion does not count. Mr. Copper was elected to uphold the laws of this state. Until that law is declared unconstitutional, it is his JOB to uphold that law, regardless of his opinion. If he continues this madness, who knows which law he will trash next. It is not about gay marriage, it is about his JOB!

  • Pensive01 Jul 30, 2014

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    It takes a whole lot of chutzpah to finally admit that the laws you support are clearly unconstitutional, and in virtually the same breath condemn those who don't support those laws as you do, because they clearly saw those laws as being unconstitutional long before you finally owned up to that fact. However it is clear that you still seem to think that people can only have good moral values, as long as they share the same beliefs as you. Not everyone shares the same values as you, or even share the same religious beliefs as you do, but that does not mean that they don't have good moral values simply because they don't share your beliefs. Remember that the First Amendment of the US Constitution gives people the right to freely follow the beliefs that they freely choose, not the beliefs you would choose them to have.

  • Joseph Shepard Jul 29, 2014
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    Some of the folks posting here, and gloating that the Virginia law against gay marriage was overturned. Indeed, not one state has had it anti-gay marriage law upheld. And, indeed some posting here celebrating their victories like they individually had something to do with it. Rubbish. The 14th Amendment to the Constiution, and the "equal protection clause" long ago determined that anti-gay marriage laws would fail. The Supremacy Clause states that any law, or constitutional amendment of the states, if it conflicts with the federal constitution, automatically loses. They can have their "marriage"--but in so doing, they violate the Law of God--and while they may enjoy their temporary twisted pleasure in this life, its for sure they will be held accountable before the Throne of God..

  • Freda Kerr Jul 29, 2014
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    The bible is an article of faith, not fact, no matter how fervently one believes.

    Laws that are enacted to ensure the smooth and fair and just running of a society do not require the belief in a deity.

    My daughter was born and raised by two heterosexual parents. My late hubby and I (a straight woman) taught her NOTHING about homosexuality. She did not choose to be gay she was just always attracted to girls. Being gay is not a choice, it is a state of being.

  • SM Jul 29, 2014

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    You DO realize Canada is rife with things you might not like, right? Like nationalized medicine, and legal gay marriage.

  • Tony Snark Jul 29, 2014

    "Virginia's same-sex marriage bans "impermissibly infringe on its citizens' fundamental right to marry," Judge Henry F. Floyd wrote in the court's opinion.
    "Americans’ ability to speak with their votes is essential to our democracy. But the people’s will is not an independent compelling interest that warrants depriving same-sex couples of their fundamental right to marry," Floyd wrote.

    "Tami Fitzgerald, executive director of the North Carolina Values Coalition, called the ruling "outrageous"

    I wish I knew what part of the decision she considers "outrageous" and why.

  • Karen Orndorff Jul 29, 2014
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    It was just a matter of time anyway.

  • Bill Brasky Jul 29, 2014

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    Very well put

  • jurydoc Jul 29, 2014

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    The list is long ranging from the simple ability to visit one's "spouse" in the hospital to the ability to claim tax credits from being married and on to the inheritance laws that have certain provisions (regarding taxing) that apply to non-spouses that differ from spouses. This is the issue that brought down DOMA at the federal level. A woman whose long-term partner died faced a huge inheritance tax that a spouse would not have faced. If laws had not been passed that incorporated the state of being married or being spouses, this would be a non-issue. But laws (and policies) have, so there is the rub!

  • Pepe Silvia Jul 29, 2014

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    Yes there will. There are many churches and religious leaders who openly welcome equality and same sex couples. No church will be forced to marry anyone they don't wish to, of course, just like they are not forced to now.

  • Kathryn Adams Jul 29, 2014
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    Good question! The freedom they're denied would be the freedom to marry the consenting adult they love, but mostly what they're being denied are the legal protections for their relationship and their families. Married couples are allowed to visit each other in the hospital, something that can be denied to couples when their relationship is not recognized. Joint custody of children is also denied to gay couples, and gay couples DO have children, regardless of how much conservatives try to pretend that options like adoption and in-vitro fertilization don't exist. And there are more than a thousand other legal rights that are automatically granted to even those couples who get a quickie-wedding in Vegas, but which are denied to same-sex couples.

  • cjwatson3630 Jul 29, 2014

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    Google the rights, protections, and benefits married couples receive from the government- there are many, lots of them married people don't even recognize they benefit from, which means they take it for granted and feel entitled to them. That is what they are denying to people who want to get married but are banned from doing so bc their personal beliefs aren't respected- that is what people are fighting for. Not special rights, equal rights.

  • A cold, hard dose of Hans Jul 29, 2014

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    Spot on.

  • PracticalMagick Jul 29, 2014

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    And to clarify...that was not to imply Tony Snark slept through it. He obviously gets it! ;)

  • Rob Creekmore Jul 29, 2014
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    If you want to pass a law based on "Christian" values; pass one that insures all citizens will be fed, live indoors and be treated for illness regardless of who they are or what they may be able to afford.

  • caniac315 Jul 29, 2014

    The bigots do not care about the law or the Constitution of the US. They don't even care about religion. They are guided by hatred. There is still lingering hatred for black people and Jewish people. This is just one more group of people who they can spew hatred towards. It's really very sad.

  • joycejunior Jul 29, 2014

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    The same reason they don't push for a law to kill all who work on the Sabbath despite it being in the bible. They pick and choose which passages of the bible to follow.

  • cjwatson3630 Jul 29, 2014

    Conservatives who say being gay is a choice- you chose to be conservative Christians, you were not born that way, you still receive rights and protections, and you always have. So, even if being gay is a choice, that doesn't mean people are exempt from having rights and protections from discrimination. You're trying way too hard to openly keep a group inferior, this is why people point out your hate, and this is why all of your arguments aren't holding up in court- they're all weak arguments that have been destroyed, and no argument you can come up with can justify your attempts to treat fellow citizens as sub-human citizens. You lose, game over- give it up.

  • PracticalMagick Jul 29, 2014

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    Apparently a LOT of folks slept through Civics class.

    Getting to vote on civil rights is ALMOST as funny as people choosing to be gay.

  • bogeys Jul 29, 2014

    A number of posters have mentioned that because gay people are not allowed to get married that they are denied certain "freedoms" that straight people have. Can someone tell me what this means? I guess one example would be that gay spouses could claim Social Security benefits on the other's record. Can someone please elaborate on other freedoms that are being denied? BTW I 100% support gay marriage, I just want to understand this point.

  • Pepe Silvia Jul 29, 2014

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    Maybe you should put down the bible and look into some science... because you're making yourself look foolish.

  • baldchip Jul 29, 2014

    As Rome burns!!!

    If Roy Cooper, the duly elected Attorney General of NC, is not going to do his job and protect and defend the NC Constitution, he MUST RESIGN!!

    NOW!!!

  • Lightfoot3 Jul 29, 2014

    And the cry of haters was heard throughout the land...

  • vile garbage Jul 29, 2014

    There won't be any church weddings!

  • Tony Snark Jul 29, 2014

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    Wow. Your total lack of a basic understanding of the constitution is shocking. How can you call yourself an American?

  • Pepe Silvia Jul 29, 2014

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    If you are making a conscious choice of 'practicing heterosexuality' then you yourself are actually bisexual because making a choice means that you are equally attracted to both genders and actively choosing the opposite gender.

  • Gene Stoeckley Jul 29, 2014
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    I don't know what the reason for orientation to the same sex can be attributed to. It's not biologically sound for the continuation of a species. From a civil standpoint, if it is in fact a biological aberration, wouldn't equal rights come under the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act? Anyway, I was taught to treat everyone with respect and dignity which is how I choose to live. What appears to be happening in American society is the whole gay thing is made out to be some kind of 'in thing', an offshoot of the 60's if it feels good then do it mentality. Just because one can operate a motor vehicle 75 mph in a 55 zone and not get caught isn't what's important, having the self discipline to do the right thing is.

  • jackaroe123 Jul 29, 2014

    Conservatives don't seem to understand the difference between opinions and rights. Currently, their opinions are effectively able to influence legislation that oppresses gay people. We can agree to disagree on the opinion, but to agree to disagree on the result of that opinion and its influence is to accept the unacceptable current legal condition. Until that connection between personal opinion/personal religious belief and influencing law w/ it is severed, it's easy to mistake the legal fight for one where the right to an opinion is challenged.

    We're close to a time when the difference will be clear, though. Once Amendment 1 is overturned and dislike of homosexuality no longer carries w/ it any more power to affect laws, you'll see a lot more marriage equality proponents shrugging off the hateful but newly powerless rhetoric from the right.

  • KnowsItAll Jul 29, 2014

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    No, you don't actually. But that's a good thing. Being able to vote to take away the civil rights of others is a slippery slope. The majority could well decide to reinstate slavery (African Americans make up about 12% of the US population, so they'd be hopelessly outnumbered if this came to pass). There's certainly no Biblical prohibition against slavery, so Christians could vote to reinstate that vile institution without fear of any godly reprisal.

    Allowing Amendment 1 to stand would certainly embolden those who want to vote away rights from citizens they don't like. Who's next?

  • caniac315 Jul 29, 2014

    To all those who want to just move on, hatred from these folks never moves on, unfortunately. We still have people who hate women and blacks and Jews. And the ironic thing is these people are usually the first ones to stand up and shout what fine Christians they are. Irony at it's best.

  • markaharris313 Jul 29, 2014

    So why are all the so called Family Values and Bible supports not pushing for a NC Law to ban all Divorce.

  • markaharris313 Jul 29, 2014

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    The belongs to the US and the US Constitution overrides the State Constitution.

  • Kathryn Adams Jul 29, 2014
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    And there you have it, folks, the reason why the anti's will eventually fail. They absolutely do claim the right to violate the Constitution and vote against legal protection of other American citizens and their families. Their whole argument about marriage boils down to: "Mine mine mine! And if I don't get my own way, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue."

  • Tanya Rose Jul 29, 2014
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    So much proof it was used in the Lawrence vs. Texas case.

  • 678devilish Jul 29, 2014

    So let's legalize it and move on...

    NO NO

  • Bill Brasky Jul 29, 2014

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    That's because god created homosexuality. Why else is homosexuality seen in nearly all species? Maybe it's a test to see how some so called Christians respond to it with hate

  • cjwatson3630 Jul 29, 2014

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    Did you choose to be attracted to women? You "chose" to be with one based on your attraction, but you didn't choose to be attracted to them. Saying men who are only attracted to men choose to be in gay relationships is ridiculous. Who's trying to force who's sexuality on others again?

  • Fastglass Jul 29, 2014

    "You and your liberal friends don't get to decide the law or make the rules" -Nomoreofthat

    So conservatives get to decide the law or make the rules? Is that why your little law is getting struck down in every single state that its getting appealed in?

    Rights and privileges of others tend to elude you conservatives. But hey, the court will be ruling...it's just a matter of time. Get ready for some disappointment.

  • Jack Jones Jul 29, 2014
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    FIREMAN1963 - That may be your opinion, but it's not factual.
    Sexual orientation is not a choice.

  • Todd Jenkins Jul 29, 2014
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    You always want what you can't have…Trust me that this 10% of the population won't be stepping up to the plate for marriage once they can…The'll be just like the heterosexuals…shy away from it. So let's legalize it and move on...

  • Bill Brasky Jul 29, 2014

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    Animals don't exhibit homosexual behavior? Wow, there are tons of documented proof from scientists that prove you wrong.

  • Pepe Silvia Jul 29, 2014

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    Its over, you lose, give up already.

    SAME SEX MARRIAGE DOESN'T IMPACT YOU IN ANY WAY - Stop acting like it does and wasting tax payer money!!

  • Classified Jul 29, 2014

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    You might choose to believe in God but others do not have to do likewise. Live the way you wish to and leave others alone.

  • elkerster Jul 29, 2014

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    you know NC is in the same circuit has VA right so the changes of ours being overturned as well is very very very high. No one is deciding law, they just aren't defending it. A big difference. I know the facts elude you though.

  • Maximillian Powers Jul 29, 2014
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    Conservative Muslims condemn homosexuality, so you have that in common.

  • Fastglass Jul 29, 2014

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    No state may write into law that which supercedes federal law. That's how. Pretty simple actually.

  • KnowsItAll Jul 29, 2014

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    easy. you don't get to vote on civil rights.

    next question.

  • Sam Nada Jul 29, 2014
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    So you have no comprehension of the Constitution, and that federal law trumps state law? Lots of laws get overturned because they are unconstitutional. That's how our legal system works. We are all, every single one of us, legally protected by the rights in that Constitution, and no state law can undo that regardless of how many people in a state vote to deny them. You should be very glad those protections exist.

  • Compressed Air 2.0 Jul 29, 2014

    You know, I grew up and spent 36 years staunchly against same sex marriage, against anything anything to do with the homosexual lifestyle. And then I met this girl and fell undeniably head over heels in love with her. And with the overturning of Nc Amendment 1, I can marry the woman I love, in the state that I love, and have it recognized.

  • dwntwnboy2 Jul 29, 2014

    "All ministers, clerics should never marry anyone of the same sex"- even when Amendment One is declared dead and equality under the law extends to gays and lesbians- no member of any church will ever be forced to marry anyone they don't want to- JUST like the law already is. Sadly for your point of view, there are many denominations that will marry people of the same sex- and no god or demon has punished them or their churches so (their version of) god is OK with it.

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