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TimeWillTell Jul 10, 1:16 p.m.
Oh please. Goodnight is one of the few LEADERS in the high-tech industry. I watched him literally build SAS from a 3-person team in an NCSU office to what it is today. During the tech industry implosion in 2000, SAS continued to grow and he continued to provide benefits well above industry norms to his employees. He attributed SAS's success to his employees and rewarded them accordingly. When he tried taking the company public, the people he hired to guide the process tried dragging him down the usual path of cutting benefits and maximizing profits. He threw the lot of them out on their backsides and SAS remains privately held.
SAS has a culture that's not for everyone. But your comments about Goodnight are utterly baseless.
TimeWillTell Jul 10, 1:07 p.m.
Based on the content of most of these posts, I am confident that their authors do not work in high-tech jobs with foreign co-workers.
I have co-workers from three non-European countries. All came here legally. Two of the three have earned their US citizenship, a process which took YEARS to complete. Two earned masters degrees in Computer Science while working full time and raising children.
Several co-workers and I recently represented our company at a computer science career fair at a local university. Of the dozens of students that came to our booth, less than half-dozen were Americans. ALL of the rest were Asian. Of that very few Americans who approached us, two walked away with invitations to call a hiring manager directly.
I'll say this straight out: in general, the Asian students revere education and have a higher work ethic than Americans. American kids with the STEM education and strong work ethic get snapped up fast, and there aren't enough of them.
davidhartman Jul 10, 12:29 p.m.
Oh please Goodnight, you've worn-out your welcome here; go somewhere else & pedal your baseless liberal froth while destroying other cities with your rampant uncontrolled growth courtesy of Preston Development.
No high-tech employers want H1B Visa holders now because there simply isn't demand like there was during the dot com boom. Supply & demand which has nothing whatsoever to do with 'immigration reform'.
OpenM1nd Jul 10, 12:26 p.m.
We just need something that is fair. Some people pay a hefty price and wait an exceptionally long time to become US citizens through the system in place, and even to be able to get in line is not an easy feat. We need a better system for the persons attempting to follow the law, and this system is hindered by cheaters who jump the fence.
Enough is Enough People Jul 10, 11:19 a.m.
Nice attempt at humor, but when it comes to immigration, nothing has changed so you do actually have a point for once.
Hecate Jul 10, 11:09 a.m.
Instead of giving money to foreigners who come to our country to get a subsidized education, then go home to their own countries with our information and technology, why don't we cut some of that aid and put it into our own failing US public school system, so our own kids can get a leg up with the new technology and teachers who actually want to teach because they get paid a decent salary??? That is investing in your own country... something that the US has forgotten. By 2016 we will be the United States of China.....
mike275132 Jul 10, 11:02 a.m.
"Goodnight and other local business leaders said the U.S. needs a plan that seals the borders and expands visas for farm workers and highly skilled employees."
Supply and Demand
So Goodnight et al want more Immigration to lower the wages at both the low skilled jobs and high skilled jobs at the expense of US Citizens.
At a time when over 1 Million High Tech US Citizen workers are unemployed, Over 600K H1B Tech Foreigners are in the US doing their jobs, add to this the "Outsourcing" of Tech jobs to India , China etc. it has become apparent just like with Illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America in low wage jobs. Companies have decided that to now import workers to lower the wages of high skilled workers.
The Open Borders and Amnesty policy is working fine....
jeffjohnson123 Jul 10, 10:32 a.m.
All is lost, the liberal left and business oppose US Citizens. I've worked for a Fortune 100 company for many years and watched as H-1B visa abusers replace competent and capable US citizens, then show favouritism to their fellow countrymen. Anyone who believes this will end well for traditional US citizens is blind. Heritage is something other countries can enjoy. It will take a catastrophic event to stop this invasion backed by self serving people and corporations.
krimson Jul 10, 10:29 a.m.
I view it as a triumph of our post-graduate university system...
ohmygosh Jul 10, 10:21 a.m.
Don't forget that foreign grad students in many cases are subsidized by their country to go to grad school. They should be going back to their country of origin after completing their degree. In the US, for many potential grad students, it's unaffordable. Remember the "space race era" where the US provided scholarships and grants to attend engineering and scientific college and grad schools. There was no shortage of US grad students then.
rednek Jul 10, 10:12 a.m.
We, citizens of the USA, have the best government that money can buy; bought and paid for by big business wanting a large pool of cheap labor. Welcome to the 3rd world people. In a few years there will be only 2 classes of citizens in the USA, POOR and RICH! Good by middle class.
scubagirl2 Jul 10, 9:50 a.m.
We do NOT need immigration reform, we need ENFORCEMENT!!! sorry, but that's just the way it is now.
angieb Jul 10, 9:36 a.m.
We could all get a tax break if we weren't subsiding illegal immigrant's health care, food and housing, tax fraud, cell phones, etc.
derwillemacht is right, which is why nothing will ever be done. As long as these business continue to write campaign contributions. That's what our leaders care about!
heelhawk Jul 10, 9:34 a.m.
Enough is Enough People - "We already had Immigration reform in 1986. At that time Washington said it would be a one time occurrence and that the borders would be secure from that point forward. Sound familiar?"
I remember. My mom paged me and I returned the call from a rotary dial pay phone. She wanted to tell me that there was an article in the Raleigh Times about the reform bill that Reagan was pushing for. There was going to be a story on the news so I asked her to set the VCR to tape it for me. Absolutely no need to revisit immigration reform passed nearly 30 years ago since absolutely nothing has changed since then.
stymieindurham Jul 10, 9:27 a.m.
Foreign students make up 55 percent of full-time graduate students in the U.S. in science, technology, engineering and math . . . . . . .
This alone should be embarrasssing to our current public educational system!!!!!
68_dodge_polara Jul 10, 9:26 a.m.
Why wouldn't someone want to work at SAS? I thought they treat there people really well there. But as for filling specialized jobs in science and technology
There are plenty of smart skilled Americans looking for jobs. The actual problem is that private industry doesn't want to train them in very specific skills that they want people to have. For example if you look SAS's computer programming job postings they are full of requirements of knowledge of SAS proprietary software so how does SAS expect programmers to obtain these skills if they refuse to train incoming programmers on there proprietary software?
Enough is Enough People Jul 10, 8:59 a.m.
We already had Immigration reform in 1986. At that time Washington said it would be a one time occurrence and that the borders would be secure from that point forward. Sound familiar?
Those who forget history are deemed to repeat it. We do not need immigration reform, we need to enforce the laws that are currently in place. To suggest otherwise is just pure laziness.
I am for those who follow the rules and immigrate here legally. Yes it takes time and money, but those are the rules.
cstanley3 Jul 10, 8:56 a.m.
What cave are you living in??? SAS gets more applicants per job then 99% of other companies out there.
1jalapeno Jul 10, 8:45 a.m.
"Although farming and construction are heavily dependent on immigrant labor" - make that "cheap labor". Farmers and builders can always advertise their wages, job requirements, working conditions, benefit package, etc. and maybe that will tell us why only the "desperate" need apply.
JustOneGodLesThanU Jul 10, 8:42 a.m.
I don't know of any young American CS grads who want to work at SAS. I guess if you can't recruit local talent, you're forced to go for foreigners.
Wheelman Jul 10, 8:38 a.m.
The schools are accepting the best and most qualified who apply. If only 45% are US kids, who should be blamed? I don't think that is the fault of the business leaders. They are not the ones in charge of motivating and educating our kids. That's the responsibility of the parents and school systems. These businesses need the brightest, most qualified employees they can find. It's ridiculous that our immigration laws allow them to come here and get a great education, but then not let them stay here to get a job and become citizens. They have to leave and then apply and go through the whole immigration process again. It's like you paying to train someone for a job you need filled, and then not be allowed to hire them. Then they can go to work for your competition.
mep Jul 10, 8:33 a.m.
Interesting... of the graduate students I work with... many are from other countries... countries that just so happen to be the country of origin of the scientist running the lab. Is there a shortage of US student/citizens... no. The fact is, these universities do not require graduate students be from the US. Since the education is occurring in the US... perhaps they should.
And dont get me started on farm and construction workers.... farm workers are for exploitation, since without the cheap labor our goods wont sell. And construction has always been a haven for illegals... mix a few more legal ones... and it makes them harder to find. Still less jobs for Americans.
foodstamptrader Jul 10, 8:31 a.m.
Sure they do. Goodnight is talking about immigration reform that secures our borders and provides a path to legal residency for the best and brightest, who can offer valuable skills and contribute to America's growth. He is not in favor of the leftist plan to find a way to offer amnesty to anyone that can crawl across our border and begin to feed off the US taxpayer.
We need selective immigration laws. Those that have skills and education we need should be welcomed. Those that simply come to be parasitic criminals need to go.
dlnorri Jul 10, 8:26 a.m.
these guys are supposed to be leaders but they appear to be a bit clueless. (a) The number of farm workers allowed to enter legally under current law is unlimited. Farmers choose to use illegals because they are cheaper. Meaning legal farm workers can not get work. The current allowances of 80K proffession and 60K skilled appear to be more than enough to keep wages in technical fields suppresed. the bill before congress just creates more laws that will be subjectively and selectively un-enforced. If they call for severe fines on enablers (employers and used of subcontractors that employee illegals) they would be calling for effective reform of our illegal problem (we do not have an immigration problem, we have a criminal problem).
archmaker Jul 10, 8:13 a.m.
Goodnight can't have it both ways. He will either continue giving money to "no tax Republicans" or will need to support those for immigration reform. They don't come in the same package.
hppyhourhero Jul 10, 8:11 a.m.
AConservativePerson: "our laws enforced."...So when is the crack down on the people who hire these illegal people going to start?
derwillemacht Jul 10, 8:10 a.m.
Breaking news. Big business wants cheap labor!
Gary_too Jul 10, 8:07 a.m.
Heaven forbid they will have to hire Americans instead of those low priced illegals.
AConservativePerson Jul 9, 7:38 p.m.
The only immigration reform that needs to be done is to have the illegal immigrants deported and our laws enforced.
miseem Jul 9, 7:23 p.m.
Illegal was not used in this article because it did not apply. They were not talking about illegal immigration.
unblankenbelievable Jul 9, 7:12 p.m.
Funny how they keep leaving out the most important word. ILLEGAL!
notkidding Jul 9, 7:05 p.m.
"Foreign students make up 55 percent of full-time graduate students in the U.S. in science, technology, engineering and math, according to a report from the Council of Graduate Schools"
Shame on our business "leaders" for supporting this national tragedy. Let's educate the US kids and let the foreigners stay in their own countries.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03