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50s Child Jul 9, 5:04 p.m.
IQ has nothing to do with education. It's a measure of the ability to solve problems.
**8** Jul 9, 3:39 p.m.
A gun is an inanimate object. It cannot load, aim fire by itself. It is incapanle of being dangerous without the hands of a human being. It is no more responsible for a death than saying a car is when a drunk driver kills someone. Again, it is the age of no moral accountability. Blame the gun.
torchhappysean Jul 9, 3:14 p.m.
Remove all guns and all of this killing will suddenly cease?
— Posted by btneast
............. How can you really believe that?? It is a documented FACT that if you take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens crime will INCREASE by 300% to 400%. Just look at what happened in Australia when their goverment did EXACTLY that.... Violent crime took off because only the criminals had guns then!!!
bdu4dals2 Jul 9, 2:47 p.m.
We don't need to take legal guns away, we just need to start prosecuting and hard prosecuting those that commit crimes with guns. Wake up people and see what crimes are being committed out there and what is being dealt out as punishment. Count the number of 2nd and 3rd timers committing the same crimes and still on the streets. Make jail an UGLY place to go, have the crims work on a road gang for about 15 hours a day.....regardless of the temp, hot or cold!
torchhappysean Jul 9, 2:43 p.m.
Heres a suggestion.. Quit letting your kids run wild!!!! Make rules for them and ENFORCE THEM!!! It's way past time people start taking responsibility for what their kids are doing and take the blinders off. NO HE OR SHE IS NOT THE PERFECT KID you try to fool everybody into believing.. Kicking the goverment out of family affairs and bringing back corpral punishment would be a great way to start...
btneast Jul 9, 1:59 p.m.
A real good portion of it will, yes.
LOL......so the human element has little effect on violence? The anger and malice that pushes people to shoot someone would suddenly evaporate if there were no guns? We would all "just get along"?
Super Hans Jul 9, 1:44 p.m.
A real good portion of it will, yes.
btneast Jul 9, 1:30 p.m.
and we definitely do not have a gun problem in this country. Nope, none. The 100,000+ shot every year
So, the guns are 100% of the CAUSE of all of this violence and death? Remove all guns and all of this killing will suddenly cease?
Super Hans Jul 9, 12:55 p.m.
Yeah, especially the guns. Guns certainly play no role in violence, and we definitely do not have a gun problem in this country. Nope, none. The 100,000+ shot every year would have just been shot with something else. What we really need to reduce all this gun violence is, follow the logic here, MORE GUNS!
disgusted2010 Jul 9, 12:51 p.m.
Just heard the story on the noon news. The anti's at WRAL painted the entire story as about "gun violence."
WHen will the liberals at WRAL stop with their anti gun agenda, report the news instead of trying to make it and stop with the blame everything but the criminals line?
**8** Jul 9, 12:35 p.m.
No, it's not going to stop until people accept some moral accountability for their actions. Right now it's "blame someone else".
disgusted2010 Jul 9, 12:30 p.m.
Nothing will ever get better until people stop playing the race card and start taking responsibility for their actions AND holding others responsible for their actions.
Playing the race card, the anti-gun card, the entitlement card, the poor, poor pitiful me card is much of the problem. Also, its never going to get any better until people in "high places" stop profiting from the crime and violence.
disgusted2010 Jul 9, 12:26 p.m.
These "leaders" do not really care. They only care about what is in it for them, more money, more handouts, more power. It is not in the self-interest of the "community leaders" and politicians for this activity to stop as long as the government keeps pouring money on these "takers" and the community leaders are getting most of the money.
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 12:15 p.m.
I agree and I've already addressed this as a cultural phenomenon. I'm ignoring nothing, however, any person(s) attempting to simply an effect while willfully ignoring the cause isn't being genuine nor helpful to the discussion.
icdumbpeople Jul 9, 11:50 a.m.
Agree so much.
btneast Jul 9, 11:28 a.m.
It is not the truth and I am in no way attempting to discount the problems that different cultures face. I just don't agree that it's genetic as I believe you are attempting to frame your argument
Not sure how he was trying to frame it, but you can't ignore the disproportionate percentage of black kids this involves. I think it is the black culture more so than any genetics. The fatherless culture. The culture of teen mothers that have kids that get raised by grandparents or aunts. There's also the issue of most authority institutions (LEO, Judicial, Educational) having been mostly run by whites in the past.....so an unspoken us vs them mentality has been passed down. That is changing, but that mentality is still out there.
lopo Jul 9, 11:23 a.m.
Maybe these parents should look at themselves for the answer, these children involved in gang shooting were between 14 - 17 years old and out in the early morning hours. Even the people not involved were at a party until 3 or 4 in the morning almost all underage. Go after the parents and the crime will slowly go away, to some extent.
68_dodge_polara Jul 9, 11:19 a.m.
The IQ issue is most likely do to a poor education system which goes back to what NotUrTypicalAmerican referenced as a Socioeconomic factor. As for the violence in Newark, Camden, NOLA, Memphis, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago
It's mostly a cultural problem that daddy's want to make babies but don't want to be parents.
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 11:11 a.m.
Bad governance, poverty, vast goverment and social insecurities, as well as other internal and external factors, maybe? Cherry-picking stats from outside cultures to keep some type of cultural scorecard to back your prejudices is the norm here. Way to go.
Vincent Vega Jul 9, 10:55 a.m.
"I just don't agree that it's genetic" So if the same conditions are replicated by the population in American cities that are the same as in Africa, how could it not be genetics?
Countries With The Lowest Average IQ
Equatorial Guinea 59
Sierra Leone 64
Democratic Republic of the Congo 65
Nigeria 67 Ghana 71 Tanzania 72
Newark,Camden,NOLA,Memphis,Detroit,Baltimore, Chicago, where 84 people were shot over one July 4th weekend...
jwjsdj Jul 9, 10:54 a.m.
Most of the Problem. Is the Uncaring NON Parents, Friends, Relatives, That Ignor, Hide, these same Criminals (Accessory) that Breed Our Crimes.. Judge Once Said to Teenagers.. You Hear Teenagers Cry. What Can we Do. Where Can we Go.. Judge: Go Home, Mow the Lawn, Wash Dishes, Learn to Cook, get a Job, Visit the Sick, Study, When Finish Go read a Book. World Does Not Owe You a Living. You Owe the World Something. You owe it your Time, Energy & Talent so No One will at War, in Sickness & Lonely again! In Other Words, Grow Up, Stop being a Cry Baby, Get out of Your Dream World. Develop a Backbone, Not Wishbone. Start Behaving like a Responsible Person. You are Important and Needed. Time Is Now. Its To late to sit around and Wait for Somebody to do something someday. Someday is Now and that Somebody is You!
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 10:17 a.m.
Well said. Community leaders have always had a leg in the church. I'm talking moreso of local pastors and not Al Sharpton, who always seems to find a camera when he perceives a wrong on Black folks by another community. There should be a movement to force community leaders to get in front of the cameras to question the actions of the community as a whole, rather than solely to question the actions of others upon it. The media should put more cameras in front of people like Tim King or Pastor Corey Brooks, who focus fixing problems within the community itself and not utilizing others as a scapegoat. Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson usefulness has long passed. Their methods are ancient and self-serving. The media needs to realize that they don't speak for an entire 38 million of Americans.
Bob3425 Jul 9, 10:01 a.m.
I agree with most of what has been posted, I would add that our criminal justice system is a joke. Prison are vacations spot, prison reform has gone to far, prison should be a place where no one want to go, death sentences should be carry out within a year and not decades later, life should mean life. Prisoners should have to work and the rest of the time lock up, make them work for rec time.
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 9:59 a.m.
It is not the truth and I am in no way attempting to discount the problems that different cultures face. I just don't agree that it's genetic as I believe you are attempting to frame your argument. It's definitely cultural to an extent though. Just to add, there are also many issues in white societies that stem from poor economic backgrounds. Their problems may not be violence, but attempting to blame political correctness on something that has historically affected every race in this country (some more than others) is another cop-out.
same ole story Jul 9, 9:52 a.m.
Until the gov't handouts for having unwanted children just to get more welfare and not do anything is stopped this will NEVER change!! This is a race issue that starts directly in the home! Until the circle is broken for having kids the government will write you a check for and not caring about them then this will continue. As a society we need to stop giving away easy access to the welfare and make them do some sort of community service to earn it. i.e. picking up trash along the street, filing paperwork at a community center, take MANDATORY LIFE CYCLE CLASSES, BASICS CLASSES ON RAISING A CHILD. Until the home is a place of caring this will never change!!!
jmcdow2792 Jul 9, 9:44 a.m.
Yes, and our leaders in the community and in politics need to provide their leadership and support.
Confucius say Jul 9, 9:42 a.m.
It's not lazy to say and not an easy cop-out, it's the truth. Most just don't want to admit it due to our PC society. You're right it is socioeconomic...and that and race go hand in hand for the most part. You can't discount the problems within the black and hispanic communities. Nothing will ever get solved that way.
kermit60 Jul 9, 9:34 a.m.
I get tired of hearing these people talk. There kids are out all night, going to these house parties, hanging with other known gang members, doing poorly in school if they go at all. Most have no job, just a sense of entitlement. They have no home life to speak of if they even have a home. These kids weren't born 16 years old and a gang member. The parents or parent let it happen. Until there kid is in jail or killed. Then they demand justice, blame someone else, claim the sytem needs to do more. Have you ever heard one step up and say that they should have been a better parent? It's become another problem that they want fixed, they want the system to pay for it, they blame everyone for it. The real problem is themselves and their kids whom they probably shouldn't have had in the first place.
68_dodge_polara Jul 9, 9:32 a.m.
Well put NotUrTypicalAmerican
btneast Jul 9, 9:21 a.m.
The only mentorships these children have growing up are, unfortunately, these gangs. They see it as a glamorous "family", a bunch of friends who always have their back.
You hit the nail squarely on the head. Gangs flourish because of that need they fill......until you fix that problem, you will NEVER get rid of gangs and all of their associated crime.
dancerdot Jul 9, 9:10 a.m.
Parenting with a positive, caring, and intellectual attitude would be a large variable in stopping violence. The court system needs to stop letting criminals out of jail for another chance to commit evil deeds. School systems need to discipline and follow through with consequences for those who break rules in school and disrupt the learning environment. Parents need to step up to the challenge of being responsible and to not enable their offspring to hurt others and commit crimes. Psychologists need to work within the school setting to aid in group sessions with those students who come to us with a negative attitude.
Itsmyopinion67 Jul 9, 9:10 a.m.
Yeah...this should work.....
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 8:59 a.m.
Being of a particular race isn't the predominant factor in whether or not a person will end up in a jail. It's lazy to say and too easy a cop-out.
Socioeconomic factors are, and has always been the biggest culprit. Bolstering education, stop dependence on government handouts as a way of life or looking for other (legal) ways to boost one's economic status would help greatly.
NotUrTypicalAmerican Jul 9, 8:47 a.m.
If the communities that are most affected by the violence are indeed serious, then the lip service NEEDS TO STOP. Too many neighborhoods where the gunfire is the worst are the same areas where there are more children having children. Too many out-of-wedlock births to very young women with young absentee fathers. Mentorship by responsible adult male role models are very low in said communities where this is happening. The only mentorships these children have growing up are, unfortunately, these gangs. They see it as a glamorous "family", a bunch of friends who always have their back. You get a bunch of young men being led by other young men who think that being a man is having a gun and who have little care for their fellow man. It's a vicious circle of the blind leading the blind. The place to start is AT HOME. Children need to see another way besides the street. Parents need to be more accountable in their child's life other than just sending them to school or watching TV.
Confucius say Jul 9, 8:43 a.m.
“Today, the jail is full of mostly young, violent people,”
There's another common, no...overwhelming, factor...race.
ohbumr Jul 9, 8:30 a.m.
good job on the protesting the violence, but it starts at home with the parents. i dont go around shooting at people because my parents taught me that it was wrong to murder. if you arent mentally competent enough to have a child, then dont. in my opinion, an unfit parent is just as dangerous as criminals having guns.
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2014-06-24 16:03:36