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juliomercado Jun 4, 9:20 a.m.
While it is highly unlikely this law will stand up to constitutional scrutiny in a court of law given the vindictive and spiteful nature of our Senate, North Carolina needs all the prayers she can get. Seriously folks, with a mass exodus of teachers from the state, 1/2 the counties suffering with continuing effects of the recession, a 200 million plus deficit, a desperate need for jobs in the state, THIS is what they are spending their time doing? Yep, we need prayers in the Tar Heel state for sure!
polecat1 Jun 3, 7:14 p.m.
sinenomine Jun 3, 6:49 p.m.
When I was in elementary school we were required at the start of each day to recite the Pledge of Allegiance (this was before the "under God" clause was added) and to recite the 23rd Psalm and the Lord's Prayer.
I am Methodist. My best friend in elementary school (who, by the way, is still one of my best friends today) was Jewish. Jewish, mind you, and forced to recite the Lord's Prayer.
I thought it was wrong then and I still think it's wrong now.
If you, good Christian, disagree first consider how you would feel if a teacher were to force your eight year old to recite an Islamic prayer or one to Buddha.
dbutler14 Jun 3, 6:28 p.m.
I wish that all the people who are promoting Prayer would spend their lives living like they love their neighbor
BurtReynoldsBigHat Jun 3, 4:59 p.m.
If you want to see the other side of the argument, look no further than Canada. Parents and churches protested because a school with an 80% Muslim population was allowing for student-led prayer during lunch.
It's not preferential treatment or discrimination until it happens to you.
BurtReynoldsBigHat Jun 3, 4:53 p.m.
No one is keeping anyone from praying a Hindu prayer or a Muslim prayer. Until they try to pray in public, then it becomes "a strategy to replace the Bible with the Koran."
It's not the prayer, but the one they pray to that is offensive to some of you.
sinenomine Jun 3, 4:41 p.m.
In view of the fact that similar laws have already been found unconstitutional elsewhere why are the legislators who voted for this one wasting their time? Didn't they take an oath to uphold the Constitution when they became lawmakers? Why do they mock it now? And if they knowingly refuse to obey the established law of the land how can they expect others for whom they legislate to obey their enactments?
Plenty Coups Jun 3, 4:26 p.m.
It's the part where school officials are told to "adopt a respectful" posture". That in effect is a silent endorsement of that particular religion. No one cares if any person does a silent prayer and no one would stop it, but letting one religion do it with the endorsement of school officials amounts to an unconstitutional endorsement of a certain religion. Are you OK if a student does an Islamic prayer with the silent and respectful endorsement of school officials while making all the girls sit in the back and be silent? Are you OK if somebody wants to do a prayer for the Church of body modification or a Wiccan prayer?
thomasew52 Jun 3, 4:14 p.m.
For those raising an uproar over people praying, I would ask what harm are they doing? Is it b/c you don't like the sight of people praying? No one is keeping anyone from praying a Hindu prayer, or a Muslim prayer, or any other prayer. If they want to pray, they can, it hurts no one. Some of you don't like who the prayer is directed to, that is the real reason on my opinion. It is not the prayer, but the one they pray to that is offensive to some of you.
kdawg Jun 3, 3:44 p.m.
Well said. Our pathetic legislature (and those who voted them into office) are still of the impression there is only one religion in the state, when the increasingly diverse public schools have hundreds of religions. But let's continue to try and cram one specific religion down everyones' throats to score political points with the rural voting base. And by the way Rep. Speciale, this land was actually "founded on" native American spirituality, not the Christianity that wiped out entire American races through genocide. Go back to school. The PEOPLES' school, not your personal religious indoctrination center.
wjcspanteach Jun 3, 3:33 p.m.
Oh so true!
Matthew 6:6 - But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
wjcspanteach Jun 3, 3:30 p.m.
That was actually John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli....but still, your point is on target.
davidhartman Jun 3, 3:28 p.m.
If we lived in Israel, Sri Lanka, or Egypt, your paper-thin argument would have potential merit.
Here it is only a fail.
Save It Jun 3, 3:13 p.m.
So you're fully prepared to give Muslim's, Buddhists and Jews equal time for their prayers at all events? Ya, didn't think so. Just keep trying to jump on that pretend persecution train while the tracks are empty.
Save It Jun 3, 3:08 p.m.
Why not go ahead and keep passing religious laws certain to be struck down in court as unconstitutional? It's only the tax payers money legislators are wasting. The same legislators preaching against waste. This is what happens when hillbilly's are allowed to pose as leaders.
Jun 3, 2:56 p.m.
Praise the lord and pass the taters. For all those who seem to think a public display of their deep religious faith is required to make sure everyone KNOWS just how reeligious they are, I'm pretty certain all you are proving by those displays is just how disingenuous you really are.
krimson Jun 3, 2:43 p.m.
They drafted one alright... The new education budget will lay-off a bunch of Teachers Assistants... That's the GOP Jobs Bill...
bowens44 Jun 3, 2:28 p.m.
“We live in a society where there is an all-out assault on God in the public square,"
Grand Union Jun 3, 2:27 p.m.
Hard to beleive you can be so utterly naive...........If the principal and a sizable number of teachers take part its going to be seen by any teacher or student as a schools sponsored activity, one that if they do not participate in then it may affect their career or social standing.
I wonder just how keen you would be on the idea if the teachers and staudents started out reading from the koran and you child felt pressured into taking part?
miseem Jun 3, 2:23 p.m.
Let's get real. Which faith (notice I put that as a singular) do you think will be leading this. The example used is perfect for why this should not be allowed. This assembly was for people of all faiths to get together and honor the soldiers who gave their lives for this country. Not to preach the Christian faith. It's fine to talk about his religious faith. It's another thing entirely to speak of his commitment to Jesus and how his convictions related to Christianity lead him to the right life. The people attending of other faiths were hijacked into a sermon for Christianity. And this is just a small infringement. Opening the door to sectarian prayers will lead to more clear cut examples of proselytizing for Christianity. The same as pushing Islam in the madrassas in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, with the assault on science and the push for governmental recognition of sectarian prayers in schools, the US seems to be on the same road
Come On_Seriously Jun 3, 2:22 p.m.
Nothing like having the guys who hate government in charge of actually governing the people.
Now they're going hog wild breaking the useful parts of government so that they can point their collective finger at it and call it broken.
It's like going tot the hospital and getting treated by a doctor who hates medicine, or going to church and having an atheist deliver your sermon.
bhdickerson Jun 3, 2:21 p.m.
These particular lawmakers are zealots! They approve polluting our water for big business, completely screwing our teachers, making the poor poorer and now wasting their time on a bill that does absolutely nothing. When are we going to vote these atrocities out? What does it take to see that they won't rest until they dismantle our society and create their own new one?
Grand Union Jun 3, 2:20 p.m.
How did a girl reading a poem turn into allowing to what is to all intents and purposes a school sanctioned prayer???
It will get struck down, but the GOP know that, its just throwing some raw meat to their base.
In the mean time it will result in kids getting singled out and bullied because they are not Christians. Why can't christians even follow ther own book.....big public prayers are specifically nixed by JC in Matthew 6-6
Bellar1 Jun 3, 2:19 p.m.
Read Matthew 6:5-15 for what the Christian Bible says about public prayer..."when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. "
European American Jun 3, 2:06 p.m.
lopo Jun 3, 2:00 p.m.
Why do liberals always insult when they don't believe in something. If you don't believe in religion, OK just turn away.
dennis8 Jun 3, 1:40 p.m.
Since the GOP is dead set on removing tenure any teacher/faculty of a school that does not participate can be fired.
42 Jun 3, 1:37 p.m.
I guess jobs bills are tough to draft.
CAPTAINAMERICA Jun 3, 1:30 p.m.
It specifies no particular faith (or non-faith). Further, it is entirely optional for the staff and the students. Nothing unconstitutional at all about this. Complaints about separation of church and state miss the mark and the point.
dwntwnboy2 Jun 3, 1:00 p.m.
They want to do away with common core standards but want to let prayer in schools. Why do the religious types always want prayer in everything? Just pray to yourself and get on with life- the rest of us don't care about the "prayer show" they put on by going down on one knee, pointing to the sky etc. It's all for show if you do it in front of an audience- the "see how holy I am" game.
12345bac Jun 3, 12:54 p.m.
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." - James Madison
12345bac Jun 3, 12:53 p.m.
“... American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”
― Thomas Jefferson
12345bac Jun 3, 12:52 p.m.
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
― George Washington
Plenty Coups Jun 3, 12:32 p.m.
GOPtakersSociety Jun 3, 12:21 p.m.
“We live in a society where there is an all-out assault on God in the public square," Jones said. "People will file lawsuits regardless what we do."
wow Bert...... seems there is one in your own mind.....not in the "Town Square"! and when you try to bypass the US Constitution.... then Yes, there will be lawsuits...stop wasting the Taxpayer money...
goldenosprey Jun 3, 12:21 p.m.
Now, I as a taxpayer must kick in more $ to defend this likely unconstitutional law while my kids' teachers are paid peanuts. At least they will be able to pray for a decent salary.
Why do people feel compelled to religicize on taxpayer time?
We ask for jobs, decent education, coal ash to be kept out of our rivers, and instead we get religious indoctrination enablement acts. Thanks for nothing NCGA!
Come On_Seriously Jun 3, 12:10 p.m.
So, rather than focusing on something of value like why their new tax scheme isn't working as they had hoped, they'd rather waster their time on this. I'm sure more 'official' state emblems will be next.
There is a place to focus on your faith. It's called church, not school. Church is where you profess your faith and learn more of the teachings of your particular religion. School is where you learn about the tangible facts that affect everyone equally without regard to belief.
There is no time for science, math, or english at church, and no place for prayer at school- Particularly when so many churches act as though science is merely a faith of its own.
I will respect your faith all day, every day, every faith -so long as it is not in the public place using my tax dollars. Fair's fair. I don't bust into the middle of your Sunday morning service with an article from 'Science' and expect everyone to quietly wait until I'm through- don't expect me to sit through your prayers.
Jun 3, 12:07 p.m.
They just won't stop until they've given us sharia law. And they'll swear they never saw it coming.
AliceBToklas Jun 3, 11:57 a.m.
I nice waste of time and it will create yet more wasting of our tax dollars. What a great move.
hppyhourhero Jun 3, 11:50 a.m.
Michael Speciale, R-New Bern: "We need to remember what principles this country was founded on.”
Shall we ask a Native American to respond to that?
Tony Snark Jun 3, 11:45 a.m.
Why are they wasting time on this? Students are in school to learn. If they want to say a prayer, they can already do that. More ridiculous conservative nonsense.
Atheistinafoxhole Jun 3, 11:38 a.m.
"Daniel, an attorney, spoke against the amendment."
Seems like all these laws that they know will be challenged are simply a back door handout of taxpayer money to their lawyer friends.
KT slapped your mom Jun 3, 11:38 a.m.
Aren't there more important issues to be addressing?
Published: 2007-10-05 09:38:00
Updated: 2014-06-24 16:03:36