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  • kermit60 May 29, 2014

    Reading so many complaints about the education, jobs, welfare, taxes, healthcare and just aout everything else in NC being blamed on the current legislature. The Democrats had control for over 50 years with all of these problems going back decades. The only difference is the Democrats made everyone feel better by spending money we didn't have or by raising taxes.

  • sbr1963 May 29, 2014

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    Agree! And if the teacher's have to do more with less because they lose their teaching assistant the administration should also be doing more with less. That would save a lot of money right there!

  • MzLadySmiling May 29, 2014

    LEGISLATOR PAY: A bill filed last week that would more than double the pay of most North Carolina legislators is likely to languish in the House this session, but proponents say raising lawmakers’ salaries would ensure the General Assembly reflects the diversity of the state. “It dramatically affects who is able to serve in the legislature,” said N.C. State Political Science Professor Steve Greene. “The super-low pay we have means it’s people who can afford to go to the legislature for several months in a year. It stacks the demographics of the legislature in a very particular way.”
    Read more at http://www.wral.com/today-nccapitol-may-29-senate-takes-on-the-budget-while-the-house-debates-fracking/13683547/#dkHuuAM6xWW6qAYz.99

    Oh yeah, they get a pay raise and teachers can languish..... These legislatures should be ashamed of themselves.... No ???

  • krimson May 29, 2014

    Want to know what leads to "bad teachers"??? Low pay! All the good ones will leave the State, leaving us with the bottom of the barrel.

    Just part of the GOP plan to destroy Public Education so they can divert more public tax money to Charters and Privates... "starve the beast"...

  • krimson May 29, 2014

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    Wow, they can't even get their jokes right...

  • scott102368 May 28, 2014

    After 26 years, I am done voting republican in NC.

  • jdoe1 May 28, 2014

    Headline is about all you need to know about WRAL's objectivity. Republicans could double state welfare payments to the poor and the WRAL headline would be "GOP Stop Gap Measures Leave Children in NC Hungry"

  • ncsuperteach May 28, 2014

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    I couldn't agree with you more. I will strongly support and will encourage others to support all efforts to clean up this mess in the General Assembly this fall. However, I am realistically doubtful it will do much good as the Republicans have gerrymandered North Carolina to the point that it will take a mass uprising of the citizenry to evict them... but I certainly hope that is what is coming. The damage has been done, but at least maybe the super majority of the Republicans can be erased before they do even more harm to our state.
    http://www.wral.com/many-state-legislative-races-all-but-over-before-contests-begin/13439910/

  • sisu May 28, 2014

    I was just thinking... wouldn't it be interesting if Berger and the Senate come up with this outrageous plan... get the teachers all riled up ... and then Tillis comes to the rescue from the house with a more reasonable plan.

    He would get to be the hero and tout that all over the place with ads against Hagan.

    Wouldn't that be interesting?

  • Silver bullet1 May 28, 2014

    Sounds like extortion to me....

  • teacher2X4 May 28, 2014

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    ii wouldn't like it either considering their goal is to get teachers on 1 to 4 year contracts making it easy to dismiss anyone near retirement age with no due process, this eliminating retirement for teachers.

  • davidgnews May 28, 2014

    Berger fires another salvo at the public education system. His private school buddies are wringing their hands in delight.

  • ewcheercoach May 28, 2014

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    Precisely the opposite. I, along with many colleagues, cant afford to pay NCAE dues. My entire paycheck goes to paying bills, buying groceries and gas, raising a baby and necessities for my classroom ( things to do science projects with, folders, dry erase markers, etc....)

    I have been teaching for 8 years and i made just under 30k last year. I knew going into teaching that i was never going to be rich, but i did expect to be making about 5k more a year by now. And as much as i need a raise, i dont think it is worth giving up the career status (which is NOT tenure) that i worked very hard to earn.

  • asjdiw May 28, 2014

    Usually, no tenure leads to mediocrity. Those that are good go where they can get tenure. Those who can't get tenure go to Mississippi, er, North Carolina. Remember when we were a progressive southern state?

  • tatermommy52 May 28, 2014

    The Democrat plan is 'chirp chirp chirp.'

  • FakeCoastalRings May 28, 2014

    Yes, please give up you tenure for pennies a pay check. LOL.

  • Objective Scientist May 28, 2014

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    Well said - many, MANY comments to this article - indeed all articles related to teaching in NC - are made by people who are blatantly, incredibly IGNORANT of the teaching profession. They truly know not of what they speak!!!

  • asjdiw May 28, 2014

    Gosh, a few more of these and we'll be just like Mississippi! Thanks, conservatives. You sure know how to turn back the clock. I bet lots of companies will want to relocate their educated people to NC!

  • Objective Scientist May 28, 2014

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    Were you alluding to "tenor'? I believe a "tenor" has a "high" singing voice... not low! A male tenor is at least one of the highest male singing voices.

  • georgegray May 28, 2014

    "Only mediocre teachers need the security of tenure."

    This could only have been written by someone who has no clue about the politics that go on in schools. The real truth is that the very best teachers are often the ones that Principals and Asst. Principals feel most threatened by. If you remove "tenure" in NC (which is very different from tenure in NYC), then prepare for massive grade inflation. Once a teacher can be dismissed at will by a principal, then no one will want to have parents complain about their kids' grades.

    Of course, there's also the original reason for tenure -- academic freedom. Teachers that make kids think for themselves are often seen as trouble makers by administrators (and for all you conservatives out there who think teachers are all a bunch of lefties, what do think administrators are -- and they would be free to dismiss any conservative teacher without even giving a reason).

  • Objective Scientist May 28, 2014

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    I'm not a K-12 NC teacher, but once was and I empathize with your circumstances. I've been a very VERY INDEPENDENT independent for several decades, and have often felt that almost complete control by one political party - especially over decades, was not the best for the electorate/citizens of a town, city, state, or country. You may have been a life-long Republican, but as a group I believe NC teachers have voted predominately Democrat and that explains the current situation with NC teachers. Republicans in power/control of the current legislature seemed hell-bent on political revenge-retaliation against NC teachers and could hardly wait to completely eviscerate the teaching profession in NC - and they have done a great job with the evisceration and clearly demonstrated not only a profound lack of respect, but disrespect - even blatant contempt - for the teachers of NC. They have done a LOT of damage to K-12 education in NC!

  • A person May 28, 2014

    In the private sector, tenure is someone with a deep singing voice

  • damauro May 28, 2014

    When it comes to pay, I wonder about the thinking involved regarding who is most deserving of larger pay raises. I would love to see someone in authority....guv,...take a stroll through the cabinets in classrooms in Wake, then go on to the cabinets in outlying counties. I promise an eye opener. Teachers outside Wake make do with far less. It seems as though the people in charge of making decisions regarding pay might do well to consider how much more teachers outside the capital have to work, for the same pay. My colleagues eat lunch with their students...I like that, but still. We have to beg, borrow, or steal copier paper. I could go on, but really only want to make the point that significant pay raises, especially outside the fish tank that is Wake Cty, will allow teachers such as myself to not only pay bills, but maybe also put something aside for old age, while also allowing us to fill in the blanks that the system doesn't recognize when it comes to funding classrooms.

  • Objective Scientist May 28, 2014

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    Also... over the past couple of decades more and more professors became "distinguished" and/or "named" professors and that status pays them a substantial supplement to their state funded salary. TAs, Lecturers, adjunct and/or "visiting" faculty, or simply "part-time" people are hired to teach classes, or those highly paid distinguished professors "buy out" their teaching responsibilities with grant money... and those same highly paid profs often are engaged in some sort of entrepreneurial venture using their University office as a "base".... making even more money. The state salaries of such professors should be reduced and that "saved" money used to raise the salaries of staff, TAs, Lecturers, and other faculty who shoulder much of the teaching burden and administrative work. The "high level" administrators, at least 2-3 layers of Deans, and all the "Vice-Chancellors", and the Chancellor - are all paid TOO much... just like coaches!!!

  • dws May 28, 2014

    Maelstrom, clear and simple.

  • ncsuperteach May 28, 2014

    I am a NC public school teacher with 20+ years experience. I have until very recently been a life-long Republican, and yes unfortunately I am responsible for some of the very people who sit in the General Assembly being there. I thought that after 100+ years of one party control that change in Raleigh would be a good thing. I, however, never dreamed that the Republican party could turn so sharply against public education and hold such visible contempt for public school teachers.

    No, I do not have a guaranteed job with my tenure, but living in a rural county I hate to imagine a return to the days where jobs are taken away due to political patronage and nepotism. Career status gives public school teachers protection from political boards and appointees who might be seeking to hire their brother-in-law, or their biggest contributor.

    I am sorry that I had anything to do with electing this G. Assembly, but as an independent I will not make the same mistake this fall.

  • SaveEnergyMan May 28, 2014

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    I second that. The departments are operating with next to nothing these days.

    Many times TA's are teaching classes only because they can't afford to hire professors to teach the classes. I know one department that has several empty slots that they are using to fulfill the required budget cuts. If a TA teaches a class for a professor, that professor has to pay money from their research account to cover this. TA's often grade homework for sections that have ballooned to over 100 students, even in senior classes.

  • juliomercado May 28, 2014

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    Hardly. Less than 1/2 of NC's teachers are members of the NCAE. If anything more teachers will probably join now that the extortion and abuse are out in the open.

  • Plenty Coups May 28, 2014

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    What are you talking about? No one forces any teacher to join NCAE so what they make is irrelevant as its funded by voluntary contributions.

  • Greg Boop May 28, 2014

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    You are shortly going to be facing a new reality. Several Republican legislators have been proposing that retired state employees should pay 50% of the cost of their state health insurance. At the current rate, you would be paying approx $350 per month rather than $13 per month.

    Unless the Republicans get voted out of office it is just a matter of time until this change is implemented.

  • SaveEnergyMan May 28, 2014

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    The actual amount is $432.66 per month, which is what the state pays towards a state employee's health insurance. Coverage is average, at best, with a fairly high deductible ($933 per person) and co-insurance requirement (70/30 up to $3,800 out of pocket). Surely better than others, especially for retirement, but not a premium insurance plan.

  • SusanandAaron Tambot-Blankenship May 28, 2014

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    I'll remind you it was the Democrats that kept the state pension fund (Roy Cooper) from being demolished during the downturn and crash. The Democrats proved to be capable and competent with the money most of the time and NC grew and was profitable. Now I think we're heading downhill.

  • aprillee May 28, 2014

    So let me get this straight. Since it is unconstitutional to force teachers to give up tenure, it is acceptable to blackmail them into it?
    Drop tenure or you will never get another raise.

    "Under the new proposal, teachers would be able to keep their tenure rights but would not receive any pay bump. Instead, they would be left at their current salaries with no prospect of a raise."

    Blackmail pure and simple.

  • SusanandAaron Tambot-Blankenship May 28, 2014

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    No you don't, Part of your salary package includes the cost of the insurance. Check it out, I bet it comes to about $800.00 per month for the state BCBS and that's not so great when compared to other insurance these days.

  • SusanandAaron Tambot-Blankenship May 28, 2014

    These guys are going to end up raiding the well funded state pension program that each employee spends part of their own salary to join. That's been legally done in several other states, that's their ace in the hole.

    It's clear these people are running the state badly but I bet not enough people notice until too late

  • Mustange May 28, 2014

    (Under the new proposal, teachers would be able to keep their tenure rights but would not receive any pay bump. Instead, they would be left at their current salaries with no prospect of a raise.) Are you serious! These people need to go! Come election time remember who to vote OUT !

  • juliomercado May 28, 2014

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    You NAILED IT. Its a poke in the Eye at the NCAE. Berger and Tillis have been smarting and aching for vengeance since the NCAE successfully sued the GA over dues being deducted from pay. The recent court case that declared their 25% plan and end of tenure "Unconstitutional" just made them more angry. We have full grown men running our state that are having a temper tantrum and the teachers of the state will be the ones to suffer. If anything, they have increased the membership and voice of NCAE with their toxic policies.

  • jnc67 May 28, 2014

    The Senate is showing its true colors. For the past several years teachers have been told there is no money for raises. Since the economy was bad, we too took pay cuts, pay freezes like other hard working North Carolinians. But there is no denying the truth now: the money is there, but the teachers must succumb to the will of the politicians who have shown again and again how much they dislike public education. Ugly. Ugly. Ugly.

  • dirtydozen431 May 28, 2014

    Diversity means out of state college students pay more money.

  • Justin Smith May 28, 2014

    I'm a teacher and love this plan. The part I don't like are the one year contracts... it's not even the tenure issue.

  • redapace May 28, 2014

    "Government gone wild!"

  • juliomercado May 28, 2014

    Still refusing to show teachers respect by extorting away Tenure? Either give up due process or we won't pay you anymore than we have for 8 years? Nice! My money says the large scale exodus from NC continues despite the raises. It appears to me we have children running the show in Raleigh these days. I don't know of ONE single teacher that trusts the general assembly. And how are they paying for this? By robbing the poor and raiding medicaid of course. Quite an impressive group of chilidren we have in power. I left the GOP because of these folks and I don't ever intend to look back. I am PROUDLY NOT a republican.

  • Plenty Coups May 28, 2014

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    Huh? I'm glad that republicans are TALKING about giving raises to teachers after almost 4 years in power, years where they attacked the profession and let it flounder at the bottom of the nation. This pay plan, as proposed, is the first meaningful attempt to keep and retain quality teachers that I've seen from them. If they actually follow through and fund it then they deserve some credit for getting us up in the teacher pay rankings. But you can't ignore that democrats got us up to 25th in the nation under both Easley (in 2008) and Hunt with solid long term commitments. You can't ignore that Perdue and even McCrory proposed modest teacher raises only to get shot down by the current republican Legislature. You can't ignore that instead of raises the last couple of year, teachers have received attacks on benefits and little else from republicans so I have no real idea what you're talking about.

  • damauro May 28, 2014

    Oh, did I chuckle learning of this latest teacher pay move. Within the year, I wrote on this site that anything less than a ten percent across the board raise would not fly. I shared my belief that NC could brag to the world that its teachers are shown appreciation and respect with more than words. I also expressed the need for teachers to beware all offers made, knowing that legislators like to play shell games with money. When this site reported this morning that Houston schools were holding a job fair offering FAIR pay to teachers, I laughed at the headline...."Houston thinks NC has a problem with teacher salaries." Key words: Houston Thinks, and, NC has a problem. Forget the cost of living differences. Houston is going to clean up, taking the cream of the crop of young people who have no reason to stay here. Schools get grades, as do teachers, based on data. Data tells me NC scored a 1, only because the law says they can't be given a zero.

  • Smilester May 28, 2014

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    The Legislature & Governor keep telling people NC's Public Schools are failing when they aren't. The fact is the state of NC has been getting a great deal from it's teachers. The funny thing is that all McCrory had to do was unfreeze teacher pay & leave the benefits alone and they would have been heroes. Now they have orchestrated a problem they will not be able to back out of or spend their way out of & it will probably cost them in 2014 & 2016.

  • sisu May 28, 2014

    I'm starting to think the powers that be don't actually want an educated citizenry in NC. Think about it... an uneducated or poorly educated citizenry will be forced to accept lower wages. What a draw for big business! No more shipping jobs overseas when you can pay next to nothing for workers right here in North Carolina. It's like they actually want the good teachers to leave.

    Oh, and P.S. two things the legislature is probably also hoping to get out of this.

    1. No tenure... no unemployment compensation when not "rehired". I'm pretty sure contracted workers don't get unemployment benefits when the contract runs out.
    2. No tenure... no guarantee of employment between school terms. That also means they won't have to count the sixty days between school years towards retirement or any such thing.

    There's more to all of this than most of us even know.

  • commonsenseisn't May 28, 2014

    The ethical thing to do would be to cut the huge salaries of college chancellors, presidents and other administrators.
    No one that is paid from NC public funds should be paid more than our governor.
    Cutting salaries to something reasonable would leave plenty for those teachers that teach for a living. Professors that use TA's to teach their classes should not be paid at all.

  • WralCensorsAreBias May 28, 2014

    "It looks as if I'm going to be forced to vote for Democrats in the next election."

    Why? Did the Dems fix this problem while they were thumping the state with their bias?

    That's what I thought.

  • matrix May 28, 2014

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    check the NAEP results. NC performs in the middle. Pay is at the bottom.

  • justabumer May 28, 2014

    This is really depressing. It looks as if I'm going to be forced to vote for Democrats in the next election.

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