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jmcdow2792 Apr 17, 1:47 p.m.
Coal ash is primarily iron, alumnium and silicon oxides in complex compounds. It has trace elements that comprise various values and it contains some of almost every element in the periodic table. It does contain some toxic metals but these are a 100 or 1000 times lower than the levels that constitute the definition of toxicity as defined by EPA. Your description of sort of like dirt or soil is very accurate. There is very little unburned carbon and it is almost all elemental carbon and not hydrocarbons. It has been used as replacements for sand in aggregate materials and can have some properties of cement.
"Screen Name-8/20" Apr 17, 1:42 p.m.
Thanks for that info, and you ARE correct because I've researched it as well, and can't figure out why Duke and other companies that create this haven't recycled it long before now but let it sit in open ponds like this.
It can easily and safely be recycled in asphalt and reused without any more environmental impact than the asphalt itself already does. So why not do that Duke!!!
GovernmentMule Apr 17, 1:18 p.m.
Thanks for that post. Coal ash is commonly used in the construction industry in things like dry wall, concrete,etc... You probably have it in your house right now.
People constantly point out that it contains heavy metals (arsenic, etc...) and they call it "toxic waste". It does contain heavy metals... in about the same concentration as ordinary soil. It certainly shouldn't be in the river, but it isn't 'toxic' either. The EPA itself has said it is not hazardous waste.
Most people who hyperventilate over the 'toxicity' of coal ash obviously haven't looked into it.
5Rs Apr 17, 10:18 a.m.
In all the articles and all the comments, there is no attempt to tell us what comprises the coal ash, what could be salvaged of value within it, what would be a real solution. Digging it out and moving it elsewhere is not really a solution. The ash is probably comprised of various metals, silicon, some incomplete combustion and other chemicals, some dangerous, some not. So no one is attempting a real solution. That should be the issue.
Honesty first Apr 17, 8:49 a.m.
It was McCrory and his group that made it virtually impossible to file suit against Duke Power. Now the only group that can force their hand is DENR. What a joke.
JustOneGodLessThanUU Apr 17, 8:37 a.m.
"Virtually all of the changes outlined Wednesday would require approval by the North Carolina General Assembly when lawmakers return to their full session in May."
Ah, dudes, this year is the short session. Your first clue should have been the starting date in May...
jmcdow2792 Apr 17, 6:41 a.m.
Does anyone use logic in thinking any more. To say that future controls over coal ash are ineffective due to the fact that coal will not be used is illogical.
cxtopher75 Apr 16, 9:28 p.m.
Did he get his boys back at Duke in on the writing of the legislation?
monami Apr 16, 9:00 p.m.
Similar to the way household trash is handled? In the last session, I recall the GA passing, and the guv signing, legislation to allow landfills pretty much everywhere, so it can seep into our water supply. Oh yeah, and they wanted to let garbage trucks leak all over the streets as well. It's a flagrant attack on our environment for the benefit of garbage dump owners and operators.
The guv doing anything in earnest to actually fix Duke's polluting of our environment is not going to happen. We know who he is loyal and accountable to, and it's not we the people!
wildween Apr 16, 8:26 p.m.
wildween Apr 16, 8:25 p.m.
Pretty sure those ponds were in existence for Puerdue and Easley's tenure as well.
dwr1964 Apr 16, 5:01 p.m.
Story to continue.....Please refer to the front page headline, in the News and Observer, April 16th, 2114
rduwxboy Apr 16, 4:59 p.m.
"The proposal is weak but moves in the right direction" -WESTERNWAKE
The deal is weak and moves in the wrong direction. Duke has a monopoly over NC, this legislation would mean nothing!
Grand Union Apr 16, 4:20 p.m.
" adding that the governor will not ask lawmakers to require Duke Energy to dig up and move the ash from all of its ponds."
Wow, what a suprise...Dukes Man in Power will do what will be cheapest for Duke.
They will write complex legislation with enough loopholes to allow Duke to almost nothing for years and the polluting to continue. Change to future dumping will help little as the use of coal for power is rapidly becoming extinct now that Gas is plentiful and cheap.
Enuffsaid Apr 16, 3:51 p.m.
McCrory & McCronies were doing their best to sweep this under the carpet until the feds and the national news media got a hold of it and exposed the cover up. Now after getting his hand caught in the cookie jar he wants to propose legislation for coal ash. This is nothing more then smoke and mirrors for him to save face. Bottom line is McCrory put his former employer Duke Energy before the well being of the citizens of this state. As far as I'm concern, McCrory is one and done.
Save It Apr 16, 3:45 p.m.
Duke has little interest in the citizens of NC. As dictated by Wall St. they are only concerned with their value to shareholders. USA Wall St. Inc., Amen.
junk999 Apr 16, 3:43 p.m.
Everyone who trusts the GOP to "do the right thing" to protect us, and base their decisions on the science, raise your hand. Yeah, didn't think so.
ch2024 Apr 16, 3:22 p.m.
What McCrory is really saying is, "I have proposed legislation (cough, I know it will not be effective or adhered to) for all of my constituents (cough, now re-elect me when it is time) so it is up to my colleagues to push it through and make sure it is implemented (cough, I have known this has been going on but I am washing my hands of this so Duke can stick it to paying citizens and it will not affect my stock in Duke).
What a load of bull. McCrory does't care about this other than being implicated in any way. The laws and regulations in place now were avoided so I will believe it when I see it.
bobbruck Apr 16, 3:11 p.m.
Sophomoric- an interesting choice of words. A term that fits well with the GOP juggernaut running the fair State of North Carolina right now.
42 Apr 16, 3:03 p.m.
"That language is stated to make very clear that we're going to do the right science and engineering on each of the ponds," Skvarla said.
Anyone who took a sophomore class in BS knows "do the right thing" translates to "do the cheapest thing".
rduwxboy Apr 16, 2:59 p.m.
The Governor wants legislation now? Of course he does. I bet he said it with a shaved head, his pinky finger in his mouth, and a furry white cat on his lap while some spooky music played in the background.
Goalieman Apr 16, 2:58 p.m.
I thought I read in the past that McCrory is the one that eased the regulations on how it would be handled. Now, since this mishap, he is trying to cover it up?...Really?!
westernwake1 Apr 16, 2:53 p.m.
The proposal is weak but moves in the right direction. The real problem is that any proposal that does not include draining the coal ash ponds and moving the toxic material to lined landfills - is a failure for the citizens of North Carolina.
disgusted2010 Apr 16, 2:49 p.m.
Just a smokescreen to try to head off EPA. McCrory still works for his corporate master.
Local Native Apr 16, 2:43 p.m.
While all this legislative action is days late and dollars short....has anyone seen any information about that latest spill that tells us poor old Duke Customers and state tax payers if waters downstream from that 39K ton spill is safe for recreation of any kind this summer...ie the river, Kerr Lake, Lake Gaston etc.????????????
Gork Apr 16, 2:40 p.m.
Why don't we just cut the baloney and let Duke write the legislation themselves so Pat can go mow Art's grass or whatever?
dwr1964 Apr 16, 2:37 p.m.
Sell it to Halliburton and Schlumberger. They use it by the tons.
recontwice Apr 16, 2:33 p.m.
No requirement to do anything worthwhile or helpful!Another mc croty/skarva sellout to duke!Nothing but a pr move!!
krimson Apr 16, 2:31 p.m.
So a former employee of Duke, who wants to let them off easy, proposes legislation to effectively regulate??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
electrosoundwave Apr 16, 2:27 p.m.
Right, sure. I'll believe it when I see it
jellybiscuit Apr 16, 2:24 p.m.
Science and engineering? Skarva must not have gotten the memo. Sure, corporations use it to make their billions, but mentioning it in public as if it was something other than voodoo fabricated by environmentalists is quite a blunder.
BTW, why is McCrory getting credited for this? I'm quite confident that he didn't originate it.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03