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  • Charlie Watkins Mar 4, 2014
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    The National Academy of Science listed the Republicans an endangered species the last time the NC Democrats did another round of gerrymandering. I am amazed that the Republicans were able to make a comeback. But I am sure they will soon get gerrymandered back into submission like they have been the past 100 years or so.

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    srw4720

    Amen my friend!!!!!!! They know nothing but how to complain and whine like a child not getting their way. Outstanding comment!!!!!!!

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    as far as the maps are concerned, if the census calls for the maps to be redrawn due to population, and they are done per policy, then it is fair. My question is why the left all of a sudden are against it just cause they lost. By the way, the GA took control before the maps were redrawn. So all you spinners can stop with the excuses and the bashing. Pat winning the govs seat would have happened regardless of the maps, since bev was such a loser. Get over it, your party ruined this state long enough. we can only hope the reps can turn it around in 100 years.

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    99

    your comment about baldchip and others is perfect proof of the lefts thinking. You see what you want when it fits your agenda. But when it does not you call people names and say the don't see things clearly. This would be you actually.

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    99

    and the only reason the dems won in Washington is because of the many lies your Obama and his ilk told when campaigning. Now he continues to lie when he is getting called out on them. Funny the ignorant will still vote for the lies in this next election. Are you one of them?

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    also there are still many more dems than reps. So your spin on the dems winning didn't have anything to do with gerrymandering is hilarious and ignorant. Your bucket full of excuses is getting empty

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    osprey

    but you didn't whine and cry when your guys kept control by gerrymandering! See that is the difference. True lib. its ok when we do it, but its wrong when someone else does it. Your hilarious

  • notexactly Mar 4, 2014

    no I am not for it at all, but unlike the left, I am honest about things and see fair is fair no matter if it is the party I like or not. See that is the difference in the left and right. You guys are do as I say not as I do. The right is we will use the same tactics that the left has used. Did you complain when the dems did it for over a decade?? Just asking. Like you guys saying that the ACA is constitutional, so it seems are the redistricting maps. Lets be honest for once.

  • Nancy Martin Mar 3, 2014
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    District 12 still looks the same today, odd that.

  • aqak33 Mar 3, 2014

    TELL THE TRUTH,AND LET GOD LOVE YOU.

  • Nancy Martin Mar 3, 2014
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    Gerrymandering was only useful when certain parties did it apparently.

    If you don't field candidates, you can't win. I doubt there was not any ability to field candidates, so "they don't get real choices" is a bit over the top.

  • Kaitlyn Legare Mar 3, 2014
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    So you were against it before you were for it?

  • glarg Mar 3, 2014

    This is a silly fret.

    The news wants us to fret when there is 50/50 grid lock and they want us to fret when there is relative accord in a district.

  • renaissancemon Mar 3, 2014

    "State leaders are currently fighting a lawsuit brought by civil rights groups and Democrats, who claim the voting district lines violate state and federal laws. However, [Rep. David] Lewis [R-Harnett, who played a leading role in drawing the current legislative districts] points out that uncompetitive districts have been around for decades."

    The Mike Tyson defense. Your Honor, we do this all the time!

    It wouldn't be so bad if there were not also a general ban on write-in voting. That is a blatant rig which nails the back door shut and enables UNANIMOUS STATEWIDE vote tallies for people like Appeals Court Justice Sanford Steelman and Attorney General Roy Cooper. Just like Saddam Hussein claimed 100% of the vote for himself in 2002. Except then we had the White House denouncing it. When rigged elections happen here we just call them democracy.

  • stymieindurham Mar 3, 2014

    Republicans are destroying democracy via their Tillis incited gerrymandering.
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    Guess you forgot the democrats did this back in the day to try and get Mel Watt from Charlotte elected. How short one's memory can be......

  • uBnice Mar 3, 2014

    It has become a situation of taxation without representation. We know what this can lead to.

  • goldenosprey Mar 3, 2014

    Same old posts
    Dems: This undermines democracy which is provable when you look at votes for each party compared to resulting representation.

    Reps: Cry me a river. Y'all did it for 100 years, now it's our turn.

    First of all, until Nixon's Southern Strategy days you could almost count the # of republicans in NC on one hand. Don't act like a small group of mean old dems suppressed all those millions of republican votes all those years.
    Two wrongs don't make a right. Sabotaging democracy with gerrymandering is WRONG and anti small d democratic no matter who does it!

  • Don Dickerson Mar 3, 2014
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    ""Many of the constituents in our state are pleased with the representation they have and don't feel the need to file to replace their current member of the House or Senate," said Rep. David Lewis, R-Harnett"
    I know the Dems redrew the lines for a loooong time but remember that's because there's a census every ten years and that's how it's done. This current bunch is going to have win until their power is SO disproportionate that open revolt is the only answer. Too much democratic sentiment is trapped in too few population centers. Starting at the center of heavily populated areas and working out without regard to economic or racial status (you know, like it's SUPPOSED to be done) is just too much common sense for the 1840's crowd.

  • Michael Hart Mar 3, 2014
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    only reason that the dems lost, was the lies told on what the GOP candidates would actually do once in office, everyone believed the "Jobs, Jobs, jobs" lie, they never mentioned refusing 2.6 billion in Medicaid funding, they never mentioned attacking Students, teachers and Women, they never mentioned the gerrymandering that would allow them to steal future elections, and of course refusing to let all legal residents of North Carolina vote.

  • Michael Hart Mar 3, 2014
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    Baldchip as well as others on here only see and understand what they are told to see and understand, they are the Puppets to the Masters that control them, you will never get through to them as they are made of wood.....

  • dhendrix Mar 3, 2014

    I am currently running for the NC House 109 Dist as an Unaffiliated (Ind). Based on the number of Voters in the last election, in the dist. we have to collect 2,002 Signatures. Although it is tough, it's no impossible. I will say the two major parties have made it very hard for an Unaffiliated Candidate to make inroads. I am a glass half full kind of person, so I feel like the work that we are putting into the Signature Drive makes me appreciate the seat more because I have actually had to work for it. https://www.facebook.com/HendrixforNCHouse?ref=hl

  • justabumer Mar 3, 2014

    [quote=13445085]Post by OleNCNative[/quote
    Very good point. The fact that the Republicans were able to gain control even with Democratically gerrymandered districts probably speaks volumes about the dissatisfaction the majority of voters felt about the direction the state was headed under the Democrats.

  • jackaroe123 Mar 3, 2014

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    The last time this happened was 2000, and I recall court cases following that which ruled some of the districts unconstitutional. I'd say that qualifies as media attention. Would you apply "activist judge" to that, or is that only applicable when judges do things you don't like?

  • cary2006 Mar 3, 2014

    what a joke of a democracy

  • baldchip Mar 3, 2014

    We heard little of this when Brad Miller and the DemocRATS drew the lines. Miller even drew the lines so he could run for Congress and get elected. The media was fine with that!!

    But now that Republicans draw the lines, it's an issue!! My message-get over it!!

  • cbuckyoung Mar 3, 2014

    The districts can not be gerrymandered as in North Carolina the US Justice Department automatically reviews all changes in Senate and House district lines. Also, citizen groups can sue if they oppose the district lines and win to redraw the line like the Mel Watts fiasco and the 100 plus years of terror from the Democratic inspired and run Jim Crow laws until about 5 years ago when NC woke up. So, you might want to not use leftie Steve Greene as your "source" if you would like to practice real journalism.

  • Olenc Native Mar 3, 2014
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    If the Democrats had gerrymandered so much, then how did the GOP take control?

  • srw4720 Mar 3, 2014

    A Cong district than ran from South Durham, thru East Greensboro, and into West Charlotte and it was approx 4 miles wide along I-85. Please send me all of your emails you wrote and sent to Ch 5 concerning gerrymandering when this district was drawn. Mell Watt's district looked like a snake thru 1/2 of NC. I will be waiting till doomsday. Just admit it, you guys lost the wrong election, 2010. Why do you continue to take this moral high ground concerning this? You have no basis for this attitude. I never heard any of you complaing until you lost. You enjoyed the Dems gerrymandering the districts when you were in control, now you have to take a different take on this, because most Dems are never happy, no matter who is in control. See Repubs are mostly happy because we don't depend on the govt to MAKE US HAPPY.

  • justabumer Mar 3, 2014

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    As opposed to the Democrats who did exactly the same thing for something like a hundred years?

  • Life-goes-on. Mar 3, 2014

    Media scrutiny is much more likely to be the cause of lack of interest in running for a political office than gerrymandering. Who among us would be willing to have our entire lives under the microscope of the merciless media? It's not that people don't want to do the work or that there isn't interest in public service, but the train wreck your life can become over a choice made years ago can ruin the rest of your life.

  • dennis8 Mar 3, 2014

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    Wrong, it's like when Saddam ran for election in Iraq and got all the votes. I have always spoken out against gerrymandering and will continue to do so. The districts should not be drawn based on voting records and should NEVER include political parties at the table drawing them.

  • jackaroe123 Mar 3, 2014

    I'll be the first to admit that I'm far more aware of gerrymandering now w/ the GOP in control than I ever was previously. It's not hypocrisy; it's pretty common to be unaware of a problem until you feel it for yourself. At worst it's being negligently naive.

    Wrong is wrong, though, whenever we notice it. Remove the party names and hear that so many races don't even have an opponent running b/c of the gerrymandered districts and everyone ought to agree that that's a problem. It trickles up to their legislative work in Raleigh or in DC, too, in that they are so secure in their districts there is no incentive to cooperate on bipartisan efforts for everyone's benefit. We get annoyed w/ the gridlock and obstruction, but that just makes us angrier and more polarized in sending the same incumbents back as a reward for standing up for us while we blame the rest of them for doing the same for their districts.

  • Charlie Watkins Mar 3, 2014
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    I think gerrymandering is the spoils of war, the fruits of your labor. If you go to all the trouble to get elected you should be able to gerrymander your opponents into submission. It is like siccing the IRS on them or the NSA.

    Let gerrymandering live.

    Live free or die!

  • WRAL_USER Mar 3, 2014

    the GOP has taken gerrymandering to a new level. The Democrats never were anywhere near the illegal level that the GOP has put on the maps today. When the Democrats retake NC in the landslide to come, we will gerrymander the districts to a point where people will ask "who was that evil GOP that you speak of ?" NC Democrats, the gloves are off...

  • srw4720 Mar 3, 2014

    Dems have forgotten that the Repubs won both houses in 2010. These lines were drawn in the early 2000's, led by then Ch of Sen Redistricting Comm, none other than Brad "draw my own district" Miller. Miller drew the lines he wanted for the new 13th Cong district, and then ran it it. Sour grapes do not taste good, do they? Remember what Barry said, "Elections have consequences, we won."

    Steve Wilson

  • WralCensorsAreBias Mar 3, 2014

    Let the libs cry. It rhymes with lie and that's the soul reason all of them will be removed in landslide defeats this Fall, because they can't be trusted and certainly don't know how to tell the truth. So bring Bill "the biggest liar of them all" back to town and we'll show him how fed up we are with those just like him. The liars are finished.

  • arfamr1009 Mar 3, 2014

    kinda silly that all the democrats talking about "why isn't gerrymandering illegal" are the same ones that don't want to use county lines as district lines. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GERRYMANDER!!!

  • arfamr1009 Mar 3, 2014

    This is hilarious. Democrats gerrymandered and owned the state for over a century and now that things have been made a bit more fair, they're crying about it. It took a terrible president like Barry and his crew to get republicans in control in NC in 2010...now that voter ID is required, we shouldnt see many Dems getting elected because they can't vote multiple times anymore.

  • Steven Mar 3, 2014

    Sad that the districts are so rigged anymore that this is the case. As for the person that said more people are happy with their reps, I don't see how you could say that. Rigging the districts so that only one party has any hopes of getting elected doesn't mean much of anything. How can you know when the other party won't bother wasting the time to run someone cause of the district rigging? Too many people just vote based on party and nothing else.

  • notexactly Mar 3, 2014

    cframe

    Yes I see your point, But there are also MORE people that are mostly happy with their current reps. I mean that is why they won. There are certainly more people unhappy with the liars in Washington than when they voted for them. Are you one of them by chance? Just wondering

  • notexactly Mar 3, 2014

    marty really???

    And the dems that held control for so long did it by the same tactics. So was that OK then?? Do you think that the dems were destroying the state then when they did it? See you are proof that the lefts way of thinking is do as I say not as I do. WOW. Talk about sore losers.

  • notexactly Mar 3, 2014

    "this is where gerrymandering hurts people"

    Um didn't seem to matter when the dems were in charge and redrew the lines every 10 years for over a decade. Imagine that.

  • Mike Rigsbee Mar 2, 2014
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    And why isn't gerrymandering illegal? It certainly undermines democracy!

  • bottsjw Mar 2, 2014

    great graphic. Isn't that a pro-pot sign to the right?

  • cframe Mar 2, 2014

    Dear Representative Lewis,
    Respectfully, I would like to let you know that you could not be more mistaken about how many North Carolinians feel about their current representation in the legislature. Tens of thousands of us are very unhappy about our representation. By limiting our choices of representation, you diminish democracy itself. Representatives would not feel free to insult the people they represent if they respected the power of their votes. There can be no democracy if there is no choice. There is no respect of the citizen and their constitutional rights by the representative. I am pleased that some of our local seats will be contested, and will be an active promoter of legislators who share my concern over the direction our state is heading. The damage you are doing to the educational system alone in our state will take years to recover from. Damaging the educational level of the workforce will inevitably damage business and industry in a state who relies on innovation.

  • Charlie Watkins Mar 2, 2014
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    Yes, the ol' gerrymandering argument. However, gerrymandering was never a problem when the Democrats were in charge of drawing the lines. I think Providence guides their hands as they drew the lines to their advantage. It was truly magical. But it was Blessed.

  • Jim Bradshaw Mar 2, 2014
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    Professor Greene writes as if the Democrats had never gerrymandered the state of North Carolina. Nothing could be further from the truth. Regardless of the majority make up for each district, nothing prevented members of the opposition party from filing for office. Apathy, on the other hand, had a lot to do with it.

  • Mike Rigsbee Mar 2, 2014
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    Gerrymandering should be highly illegal! Gerrymandering got the GOP absolute control of NC in the last election, though both parties do it. NC is one of the most severely gerrymandered states if you look at the graphic maps depicting voting districts.

  • Marty Martin Mar 2, 2014
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    Republicans are destroying democracy via their Tillis incited gerrymandering.

  • Tax Man Mar 1, 2014

    Good news for the GOP and glad the Dems have nothing to offer.

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