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  • -Va- Feb 28, 2014

    ...Republicans are literally doing everything they can to destroy this state...
    -STUCK IN THE SNOW

    Not true. The story specifically points out that the coal ash problem has been around for decades through both Republican and democratic administrations.

    A big problem IS that Duke Energy is essentially a monopoly in this area. You either pay them or get by with solar panels and windmills.

    The problem I have with my own party is that they think that wanting to have a glass of clean drinking water from our own faucets is a liberal idea. The far right entirely fails to realize that the defense and preservation of the environment for everyone is a practical idea. There is nothing liberal about that. it is just common sense.

    Duke Energy ought to voluntarily step up, admit fault and clean it up. Seriously, this is their community too. Or is the long-term plan to poison everybody with coal ash deposits? Well, that is certainly one way to drive away customers and diminish profit margins.

  • Stuck in the snow Feb 28, 2014

    Why don't we send the Duke executives and their politician buddies to that river with a straw to clean this up! I can't wait till fracking comes to NC, and then drilling for oil of the NC coast. Republicans are literally doing everything they can to destroy this state. You can't drink money!!!

  • miseem Feb 27, 2014

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    But corporations are people. Therefore, they are humans. They have all the rights and privileges of a person. That's according to the right wing dominated US Supreme Court. But how do you put a corporation in jail? I guess they have all the rights of a US citizen, just not all the responsibilities or liabilities.

  • miseem Feb 27, 2014

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    That's what I've always said. With Medicare/Medicaid, EPA regulations, any other government organization - from federal to your city, you at least have a vote. What vote do you have with Blue Cross? Time Warner Cable? Duke Power is supposedly a regulated monopoly, but the money's on their side when decisions are made.

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 27, 2014

    The really sad part of this is that, 85% of Duke consumers don't have a clue what's going on and what cost they're getting ready to be hit with.

  • Pensive01 Feb 27, 2014

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    Actually they're worse than the government, because nobody can run candidates against them, to try and get them out of out of office.

  • common tater Feb 27, 2014

    So as usual this problem gets ignored till it's a huge out-of-control mess and the media gets involved. I'd bet big money there's Duke managers and executives that over the past 30+ years have gotten bonuses, pay raises, promotions, etc. for the great job they did managing the coal ash. Monopoly companies are just like the government...they have no long-term vision and no incentive to get one.

  • Jackson Smith Feb 27, 2014

    I used to canoe and kayak the Dan every year but I will need to find a new river now. The group that provided the boats and transportation for us will be out of business in short order. Thanks Duke.

  • goldenosprey Feb 27, 2014

    "I think that the bigger story is who will ultimately end up paying for this mess?" ospreysilver

    Other than the fish & wildlife and those who live near the river? Why Duke customers of course! You don't think the execs and major stockholders there are gonna be doing their own laundry and driving Hyundais over this, do ya?

  • ospreysilver Feb 27, 2014

    I think that the bigger story is who will ultimately end up paying for this mess? Duke Energy will pay for a grand environmental clean-up response, big boats and bulldozers will line the river, but it won’t fix the pollution! And, if you own land near the “Black River of Death” good luck selling your house. Say what you want but thousands of companies have been sued and forced to clean-up chemical and pollution spills, but I don’t know of a single one that can say it’s 100% safe to drink the water, eat the fish, or let your children play in the area today! And, even after the duct tape environmental cleanup initiative somehow I just don’t see Duke Energy taking the billion dollar loss on the chin and walking away. Most likely my energy bill will gradually increase an additional 5-10% to make up for the loss. Its like in Russia where they execute you, then send your family the bill for the bullet.

  • Ginger Lynn Feb 27, 2014

    and yet the stock price keeps rising. What gives there?

  • joeBob Feb 27, 2014

    Pocket change for Duke.

  • floydthebarber Feb 27, 2014

    Excuse me McCrory, but moving "fast" would mean MANY Duke Energy boots already on the ground, fervently trying to scrub and clean the Dan River... but you see none of that. Only Republican stalling and demands for "plans of action." I am so proud of the journalism sticking to this issue. We WILL hold McCrory and Duke Energy accountable.

  • heard-it-all-before Feb 27, 2014

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    yeah and then raise our rates again. HUMANS need to be held accountable within that company. put them in jail. fines don't do anything but get passed down to us

  • lewiskr45 Feb 27, 2014

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    Your argument against solar is "it gets dark at night", really? Because power cannot be created and then stored or anything like that. I guess you're against wind energy because the wind is sometimes calm. And forget about hydraulic power, we would be without power all winter when rivers freeze over and water doesn't flow.

  • 2coolkids Feb 27, 2014

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    I believe he also gave them a stern talkin' to. ;)

  • borealbob1952 Feb 27, 2014

    To safely clean up and dispose of the 30+ coal ash lagoons and mitigate the damage already done will cost well over $1B Duke Energy should be responsible for the legacy of Toxic Soup they have given our fair State.

  • Fenway O'Donnell Feb 27, 2014

    I am not debating the coal ash issue. I was commenting on the mention of fracking in this thread. We don't like coal ash, some don't like fracking, and many dislike nuclear. Ok, what is left?

  • Mark Hubbard Feb 26, 2014

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    Germany gets 25% of its electricity from renewables and it doesn't the solar potential we have. It all about priorities. In the US and NC its about profits for shareholders above anything else

  • Todd Singleton Feb 26, 2014

    Duke investors should take a serious hit for this. Will they? Not likely because in case no one noticed America is now the land of Wall St. profit before all - health, the environment, freedom. Nothing will stand in the courts or otherwise when profit is in jeopardy. Thanks to those who share this disturbingly greedy ideology. What ever happened to corporate stewardship of the environment and social well being? It all went away in the name of another record quarter. Pathetic and shameful, yet so many embrace it in the tarnished name of the "job creators".

  • soapbox Feb 26, 2014

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    You nailed it.

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 26, 2014

    Oh I forgot, they're the only place some people can get electricity, so they certainly can "do as they wish", ya ain't got no choice.

  • Terry Watts Feb 26, 2014

    Make duke pay!

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 26, 2014

    Luv2Camp Feb 26, 7:21 p.m.

    So, we don't like coal ash
    .........That's not the issue, the issue is that while making the billions in profits, the company failed to take care of it's "trash" like any other company would. Instead they left it around, and now are expected to clean it up, but, they'll do it using tax dollars and rate increases. All the while they should of being taking care of it. But no, they stick the cost in with profit and try and igorne it and hope nothing happens. So something happen ,and now they're like oh no, we'll take care of it, some time or another, and oh, by the way, we'll need to the cost on to the consumers, even if they did pay for this one time already.

  • Fenway O'Donnell Feb 26, 2014

    So, we don't like coal ash and ILOVEDOWNTOWNRALEIGH does not like fracking. What then do we use? Nuclear?

    Oh, wait a second. I guess opponents of fossil fuels only want to use solar, right? Anyone notice that it gets dark at night? Solar does not work at night.

    Come on folks, let's get real on what we can and cannot realistically use to generate electricity.

  • ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 26, 2014

    "Among the issues not well understood is the presence of radioactive elements in the ash."

    Interesting remark, given that standard hydraulic fracturing ("FRACKING") recipes include radioactive tracers and over 600 other chemicals.

    I hope that "fracking" is off the table now, given these staggering if very preliminary cost estimates for the coal ash disasters.

  • Greg Boop Feb 26, 2014

    After refusing to force Duke Energy to take any action to clean up these coal ash ponds, McCrory's DENR will fine them $99,000 and not make them fix the problem - that should balance out the $70,000,000 plus economic impact, eh?

  • Greg Boop Feb 26, 2014

    Oh, don't worry. Governor McCrory sent Duke Energy a letter. We all good now?

  • downtowner Feb 26, 2014

    So the DENR decides that Duke deserves to pay a fine of $90,000 while the total cost is just now being predicted at a conservative $70M. Sounds fair to me. I'd invest in Duke Energy stock, they are be invincible.

  • midnightclay Feb 26, 2014

    Here's an idea - forget spending that kind of money on the cleanup and do something worth while with it.
    Or.... lets get several sealed estimates to without announcing the results till they are all in and see what kind of variation we get.

  • recontwice Feb 26, 2014

    With a $70 million starting point I wouldnt be surprised that it doesnt end up being at least triple that!!

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