This story is closed for comments. Comments on WRAL.com news stories are accepted and moderated between the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. Monday through Friday.
ALECarolina Feb 20, 6:10 p.m.
Uhhh....how about, for ONCE, you DON'T?...???
josephlawrence43 Feb 19, 1:26 p.m.
Weather: atmospheric conditions as they exist now and in the near term future. Climate: Weather measured over hundreds or thousands of years.
For those so deeply wedded to the "global warming" explanation for the ups and downs of our weather, please explain in simple, clear terms why some 10,000 years ago, every single glacier on this planet just upped and melted clean away?? Carbon emissions ? Fumes from coal fired plants??? How about for once, we blame OBAMA....???
ALECarolina Feb 19, 1:23 p.m.
Even if you don't have much use for Pat McCrory, you still realize he's not stupid, and it makes you cringe with embarrassment FOR him that he has to stand there with that "Aww Shucks" smirk on his face as he ignores logic, reason, and scientific facts in order to pander to his unreasonable and illogical base which equates facts with "liberal socialistic book-learnin'".
We can't wait to see Pat on his next Sunday morning tour, when he'll be "set up by the liberal leftist media" with a "gotcha question" about his involvement in "ASHGATE".
foolmeonce Feb 19, 10:51 a.m.
The democrat party will put this global warming nonsense front and center come election time. The environmentalists and the socialist democrat party would like to control every aspect of our lives--what to eat and how much, what to drive, how much money we should make and be able to keep, what kind of health insurance we should have, and what to think and say. This looks a lot like communism to me. Why can't people see that we are losing our freedom?
glarg Feb 18, 4:03 p.m.
Hmmm RAL has evoked the mercy rule to help the Warmists.
Objective Scientist Feb 18, 2:06 p.m.
There some things that "science" can answer definitively, unequivocally, no discussion necessary. There are also some things for which science can not provide an unequivocal answer, rather an equivocal answer that may vary in "degree of certainty" from one issue or question to another. Climate change and "global warming" is one of those issues, challenges, etc. for which science, at this point in time, simply cannot provide a definitive explanation/answer/solution. In such situations one must examine the "evidence" for a theory - such as the concept of "global warming". To what degree is the theory supported? Refuted? In which direction does the "weight" of the evidence lean? At this point... I must conclude that the weight of the evidence is clearly in favor of the theory that global warming is occurring and that "mankind" is - at minimum - a contributor to it. To ignore such evidence for selfish reasons - political or financial - is unconscionable!!!
dennis8 Feb 18, 1:59 p.m.
The planet as a whole is having another top 10 warmest. The weather here is NOT the climate. We have truly become the joke of the developed world when it comes to a general understanding of science and technology in this country. Nearly 20% of Americans don't even know the Earth goes around the sun.
jackjones2nc Feb 18, 1:50 p.m.
Disappointing that so many posting here don't know the difference between "weather" and "climate change" in this age of information. Same folks probably don't understand that when it's winter in USA, it's summer in Australia.
goldenosprey Feb 18, 12:47 p.m.
The useful tools of Big Pollution are being played like fiddles. It is quite honestly embarrassing that anti-science, pro ignorance is still promoted in this age. You flat earthers remind me of a toddler who has clearly broken a lamp when no one was else around and still vehemently denies it. I hope those polluters you worship have room on their arks and Mansions on pilings for their watercarriers.
joycejunior Feb 18, 12:14 p.m.
glarg-"The Global Warming Religionists are the opposite of science since they loudly proclaim that the time for debate is over that dissenting voices need to be silent. "
Dissenting voices who offer no actual evidence need to be silenced because they're not interested in science...they just want to confuse the issue for personal gain. If the climate deniers would provide scientific evidence, publish their results in peer reviewed journals, and then have their observations withstand scientific scrutiny, then any reasonable person would value their opinion. But they don't, they just try to deny and make up nonsense that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. One doesn't let Flat Earth Society members get equal footing, or Holocaust deniers, or people who deny the Roman Empire, because to do so diminishes reality.
Pirate01 Feb 18, 12:09 p.m.
The Great Lakes are frozen over, we are in the 3rd coldest winter on record, Antartic ice is at 125% and people are still trying to peddle "man made global warming" as fact. Even the New York Times 2 days ago had a interview with a world renowed climate scientist who debunked Obama in California saying the drought was due to global warming.
goldenosprey Feb 18, 11:27 a.m.
Sounds like a noise one makes while choking on the unctuous kool ade of the oil industry.
Your obliviousness to the rank hypocrisy of misascribing the characteristics of your side to science is jaw-dropping. Only to a conservative could such antilogic make sense.
gotnoid Feb 18, 10:08 a.m.
Actually the "Gotcha" by Schieffer was not a big deal but the liberal media has had amplified it to blame climate change on the governor just as they have determined he released the coal ash waste into the river.
goldenosprey Feb 18, 9:08 a.m.
So now the latest schtick of the Flat Earth Society * Presented by Big Oil & Coal- is that noticing massive accumulations of scientific data which almost uniformly indicate a dire man-made problem is religious fanaticism. Folks, you can't make this stuff up! One would need the absolute lack of any sense or irony or hypocrisy to pull that off. Only conservatives. This is perhaps the most slam-dunk example of the low-info voter, to deny overwhelming facts and data to cling to debunked corporate fairy tales.
I guess when the Atlantic laps at the base of my Raleigh home I can say I told you so.
Then you'll probably rattle on about how sinking continents was even more prevalent a thousand years ago and how it is all God's plan...
Sally1023 Feb 18, 9:00 a.m.
McCrory is an embarrassment to our state!
joycejunior Feb 18, 7:44 a.m.
Glarg-"Obama's statement was based on the debunked Cook summary. "
Please link to the scientific studies that debunked the Cook summary and not your strawman arguments that try to change what the Cook summary was attempting to prove.
"He was wrong. End of story."
Because you say so? Climate Depot and Watts up with that aren't regarded as legitimate sources in the scientific world.
Hubris Feb 17, 7:53 p.m.
"Sooo......one doesn't try to logically discuss global warming (atmospheric carbon buildup) with Global Warming deniers."
As has been noted numerous times on this thread and elsewhere, there have been periods in earth history where CO2 levels were much higher, but temperatures did not rise. The correlation between CO2 and global warming is tenuous at best.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 17, 7:50 p.m.
"To go along with you Malthusian Liberals, if man-made CW is even true (it's not) -- what can be done about it..........???" - alex25
I am certainly a "liberal", at least by your definition. But "malthusian theory" has nothing specifically to do with liberal vs conservative politics.
As for "what can be done about it (global warming)"......A GREAT DEAL. Even a brief introduction is not possible in under 1000 characters.
It begins with the enforcement of existing air and water pollution laws, and includes responsible consumer behavior to minimize your "footprint" and minimize your own impact on the easily measurable carbon-12 buildup in the earth's atmosphere.
Additional good advice already fills thousands of books, magazines, and journals. So a very important step would be READING about the scientific evidence, and your responsibility as a member of humanity.
OzzzMan Feb 17, 7:50 p.m.
Global warming was caused by volcano ash more the a hundred years ago, now the ash is dissipating and we are getting colder. Do some research!
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 17, 7:36 p.m.
"ILoveDowntownRaleigh, well, this is what I'm talking about. Only the believers can deem "what is open for discussion". Let's be open minded and discuss all aspects of this issue." - logicaldude
"Yes...if you use science. One doesn't try to logically discuss the Holocaust with Holocaust deniers." - logicaldude
Sooo......one doesn't try to logically discuss global warming (atmospheric carbon buildup) with Global Warming deniers. :-) Thanks for "clearing the air" on that one for me.
Alex25 Feb 17, 7:30 p.m.
To go along with you Malthusian Liberals, if man-made CW is even true (it's not) -- what can be done about it..........???
Wake up. It's a TAX on America.
joycejunior Feb 17, 7:17 p.m.
Yes...if you use science. One doesn't try to logically discuss the Holocaust with Holocaust deniers.
Hubris Feb 17, 6:58 p.m.
"What IS open to discussion is precisely what consequences of the carbon spike will occur . . ."
ILoveDowntownRaleigh, well, this is what I'm talking about. Only the believers can deem "what is open for discussion". Let's be open minded and discuss all aspects of this issue.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 17, 6:50 p.m.
"Sounds like the same paranoia that fuels global warming" - logicaldude
Again, this is about facts, science, carbon and CO2 buildup. Like faith, religion, and politics, "paranoia" is not part of the issue.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 17, 6:45 p.m.
"The problem that global warming advocates have is that they have imbued this issue with so much emotion and politics that global warming is now a matter of faith or religion than a science." - logicaldude
This about science and carbon-12 buildup in the atmosphere. This has nothing to do with emotion, faith, or religion.
What IS open to discussion is precisely what consequences of the carbon spike will occur, how soon they will occur, how long they will last, and what we can do to mitigate the damage.
I welcome your ideas and solutions, provided they are tied to facts and reputable sources. As the article clearly documents, McCrory/Pope/Tillis/Berget/etc are making no attempt to meet any such factual criterion.
joycejunior Feb 17, 6:27 p.m.
Classic straw man arguments. EVERY study confirms that there is a scientific consensus on global warming. From Oreskes (2007) to Doran and Zimmerman(2009) to Anderegg (2010) to Oreskes (2004). They all say the same thing. Cook's study is on research papers to see if there is any significant doubt as to human caused global warming. It wasn't looking for papers justifying Obama's statements as you try and pretend. Of 12,000 plus papers, 4000 supplied an opinion and of that number, 97 % supported man made global warming. Interesting how you have to try and deceive. That line was supported by James Powell who found that of 14,000 journal abstracts, only 24 rejected global warming.
joycejunior Feb 17, 6:13 p.m.
"Meanwhile this winter that most of us have directly experienced contradicts the claims of global warming."
Climate doesn't work that way. It may be cold in the east but its very warm in the southwest with record heat. Same with Australia and parts of Asia. Climate measures temperatures worldwide and not just the eastern U.S.
redfish Feb 17, 5:44 p.m.
Prior to the McCrory administration and the republican legislature we had ash ponds, snow storms, climate change, budget problems, unemployment, pay raise issues, gay marriage issue, minimum wage, pick your favorite issue. One has to wonder what were the democrats doing for all those years they ran the show. Nothing?
Hubris Feb 17, 5:22 p.m.
"The Koch brother family is one of two in the world that actually have the wealth to control countries,"
Sounds like the same paranoia that fuels global warming.
Honesty first Feb 17, 5:19 p.m.
Just like he took care of the coal ash dumped by his former employer into the Dan Rive. He is cleaning up really great . That is why his administration blocked suits against Duke Energy by environmental groups three times
Hubris Feb 17, 5:08 p.m.
The problem that global warming advocates have is that they have imbued this issue with so much emotion and politics that global warming is now a matter of faith or religion than a science.
Pollsters ask the public "do you believe in global warming"? It's a legitimate question. No one ever does a survey asking people if the sun causes light and heat or if they believe that water is wet. The latter question is ridiculous because it's answered by direct observation by common people. The former has to be taken on faith, because very, very few in the population are experts on the subject. We all have to rely on the word of the "experts".
Meanwhile this winter that most of us have directly experienced contradicts the claims of global warming.
Pirate01 Feb 17, 4:55 p.m.
I had never even heard of the Koch brothers until the libs started screaming about them. Now that I know who they are and what they do God Bless them and their good works!!!
mep Feb 17, 4:50 p.m.
Clearly you live in an airtight bubble... supplied with air from a sealed source underground. No wait... the bubble itself was constructed with materials and processes that most likely has some sort of "death ratio".... and the air had to be tapped by some machine that also has a "death ratio".
Trekker Feb 17, 4:49 p.m.
"Clearly, he should cut down on the air travel and set an example for the rest of us."
So what's your suggestion, rent a kayak?
ljtaylor2004 Feb 17, 4:49 p.m.
Why are you referring to your god and religion here in a story about McCrory and Climate Change??
mep Feb 17, 4:43 p.m.
See... we agree... global warming is fanaticism.
mep Feb 17, 4:42 p.m.
Part of a six-day Kerry trip through Seoul, South Korea; Beijing, China; Jakarta; Indonesia; Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, then back to Washington.
In case you’re wondering, flying first class from Washington to Seoul to Beijing to Jakarta to Abu Dhabi and then back to Washington runs up roughly 12.16 metric tons of carbon dioxide, according to CarbonFootprint.com, which uses data from the EPA and Department of Energy.
The average American generates about 19 tons of carbon dioxide in a year.
So in one week, just from flying from meeting to meeting, Kerry generated about two-thirds the carbon output of the average American in one year.
Clearly, he should cut down on the air travel and set an example for the rest of us. After all, we shouldn’t “allow any room for those who think that the costs associated with doing the right thing outweigh the benefits.”
Global warming... too funny.
Pirate01 Feb 17, 4:38 p.m.
Why anyone at this point anyone would even consider giving them any credibility is beyond me. Obviously people care more about party affiliation that truth. What they are trying to convince people of is something that nobody is seeing, something that is no more of a impact of their lives than weather has ever been. Something they have already been caught lying about.
meeper Feb 17, 4:25 p.m.
It's great how the media picks and chooses which politicians to attack. Mostly conservative ones. Instead of going after McCrory why doesn't CBS and Bob Schieffer interview Obama and ask why he's destroying our country, the economy, and ignoring the constitution. Also why not asked why he lied to the American people about ObamaCare?(keeping your own doctor and saving 2500.00 per year) How about asking Obama why hasn't he fixed the economy as promised? The list goes on and on.
GOPtakersSociety Feb 17, 4:16 p.m.
you actually believe that MEP and that's what's so funny, The Koch brother family is one of two in the world that actually have the wealth to control countries, just because it doesn't have the Koch Stamp doesn't mean they don't own the stamp!
mafiamic Feb 17, 4:11 p.m.
The only greatest scientist there was was Tesla and you saw how the fake scribes and Pharisees treated him to make a dollar.
-Va- Feb 17, 4:09 p.m.
Obama just dictated new EPA laws that will significantly increase heating costs. All you low info voters should have studied your candidate before you voted for a dictator who wants to stick it to the working folks. -DANNY22
First, I do not like Obama. Second, Obama does not dictate to anyone. Anyone who states that Obama dictates clearly does not understand the difference between fascism and democracy. Other than the press, nobody pays any real attention to Obama – that's democracy.
Third, whether you believe that climate change is nonsense or that climate change is occurring is not the issue. The issue is to try to make the world a better place for our children. Also, there is not a lot to be gained by surrendering the beachhead of potential technological energy solutions to another (and potentially unfriendly) country. This is America. We are in the business of defending our interests; technologies, energy-related industries, our citizens, and our property are what we defend.
junkermail87 Feb 17, 4:08 p.m.
I'm failing to see how he avoided the topic... Reading this as a moderate it just reeks of a reporter trying spin the outcome of an interview in a negative light. They asked him his thoughts on global warming and he responded. The only difference was he used the (more accurate) word climate change instead. Big deal.
And he's right to a certain degree. If we spent less time arguing over the cause and more time focusing on efficiency on all levels (power production, manufacturing, transportation, etc.), we'd be a lot better off.
freedom5000 Feb 17, 4:03 p.m.
If this country gave up everything that is promoting so called climate change and we all lived in caves and walked everywhere and the country was completely in the dark and cold it would only help the world's environment by 10 percent and America would be a pretty miserable place to be. Let's get real folks.
redwolfone Feb 17, 3:59 p.m.
As i said, until pollution from China and India is addressed, then all this is is a money grab.
mep Feb 17, 3:58 p.m.
Hey Golden.... the real fact is there have been several periods in the earths history where Co2 levels were much higher... and yet, no warming. Science still can not explain that... but then again, global warming covers ALL weather related events, warm, cold, tornadoes, hurricanes, no hurricanes, rain, no rain.... LOL! What a wacko religion global warming is.
And as for Koch brothers... they rank 58th on the list of political donors... 58 spots ahead of the Evil Koch Bros? Six of the top 10 are ... wait for it ... unions. They gave more than $278 million, with most of it going to Democrats. Three of the remaining four slots in the top 10 were taken by AT&T ($56.4 million), National Association of Realtors ($51.2 million) and Goldman Sachs ($44.8 million). Golden... your fun!
bluecharger Feb 17, 3:50 p.m.
You folks comment all you want and fuss and fight, just remember the next time you go to vote for a republican for governor or really anything else, for that matter, they listen to business, and business couldn't care less about you as people, only consumers. The notion that any product or process has an acceptable death ratio is certainly not a left, or even centrist idea.
Danny22 Feb 17, 3:33 p.m.
Obama just dictated new EPA laws that will significantly increase heating costs. All you low info voters should have studied your candidate before you voted for a dictator who wants to stick it to the working folks.
RandolphBloke Feb 17, 3:27 p.m.
Of course he avoids it. He avoids any questions that require him to break with his corporate overlords. He's an embarrassment to the state. (And do not take this to mean prior ones haven't been embarrassments as well.) But, we get what we deserve when people vote on party lines alone.
glarg Feb 17, 3:26 p.m.
I wonder why so many people believe this 97% claim when they cant even find any evidence of it. An "Authority" told them to believe it? Sounds very faith based.
Here is the claim from Obama from May 2013. “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree:#climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” There was also an gigantic spamy iconographic earlier in the day showing 97 people and three people.
So the claim is that:
a. 97% of scientist believe in AGW (not 'Climate Change' BTW)
b. its man-made
c. its dangerous
Cook/ Dana Nuccitelli's paper is entitled "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature " should be easily found.
From the abstract:
We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming
Its PAPERS not SCIENTISTS and 66.4% expressed NO OPINION on AWG.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03