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gojojorn Feb 1, 4:03 p.m.
Puppy mills are so cruel to the dogs who are forced to live there. "Sen" Babon should have his veternarian license taken away as he obviously has no feelings for the poor dogs that suffer in puppy mills. I hope NC voters kick him out of the legislature.
nicelady2222 Jan 31, 2:08 p.m.
"I have legislative immunity. Nothing I say can be used against me.....I can say I don't recall, "said Rabon. Sounds like Nixon's "executive privilege" argument to me. So guys, local voters in his own district feel they have another up and rising Nixon on their hands. If you had the chance to stop Nixon when he was just a nobody, would you do it? This scandal isn't just about puppies, but about a politican who believes he is above the law, just like Nixon did.
nicelady2222 Jan 31, 2:01 p.m.
So, Senator Rabon is right he is very powerful, but so was Nixon and look what happened to him. Puppygate has less to do with puppies than it does to do with what it revealed about the political process and who we have in power right now. The media has been called the 4th branch of government. It’s where citizens turn when the other three don’t do their jobs. The media should dig deeper into this because Puppygate has the potential to throw all the Republicans out of office all the way to the top. The Democrats have tremendous opportunity here, so do the Republicans if they choose to look at Rabon and Apodaca, but not if they think this will blow over. Apodaca claims that “voters tried to use the tape to extort votes and therefore the bill has been killed.” Senator Apodaca extortion is a strong word. Where is your evidence that whistleblowers tried to extort votes? I suggest you come up with some strong evidence to support your claim or the killing of the bill is just punishmen
nicelady2222 Jan 31, 1:54 p.m.
Why was this bill stifled when Senator Rabon’s own words caught on tape embarrassed him? Did the NC Senate abuse their power and punish local constituents for exercising their democratic rights to meet with their own senator? His comments were so explosive and revealed his character just as the Watergate Tapes revealed Nixon’s character, that the group released it to the media so that his voters could know who he really is. Instead of punishing the elected official caught on tape acting similarly to Nixon, the Republican Party, even McCrory himself sought to blame the whistleblower, squelched the bill and called the tape a “disgusting tactic.” Meanwhile, we all remember the tapes of Watergate. They brought down a president. Puppygate shouldn’t go away because it reveals a senator’s character whose vindictive tactics (in his own words), “if she gets on my backside, she will never get another bill through my committee”, are being condoned by the Republican Party in the Se
janiewithers2 Jan 31, 10:00 a.m.
If citizens had told you what Senator Rabon said you would not have believed it and I don't blame you. I too was shocked at the language, the chest bumping, the arrogance, the power he held over "lesser" legislators. He never mentioned respect in this meeting because there is none for him in Raleigh. It seems NC needs only a select few Senators to make legislation that is bought by special interest groups through campaign donations. Let's just send the other 24 Senators home and save NC some money in the budget. After all, we have a Senator who has the "special interest" of NC in his pocket! NC Senate will have no vote in this matter because Bill Rabon does not like it and they are afraid to speak up because Bill Rabon sits on the powerful finance committee. This is truly Politics 101 folks and you have the audacity to say that releasing the very words of our Senator to the voting public was wrong! Let's keep the public in the dark and tell them how wonderful we are and they mi
iknowjack Jan 30, 9:01 a.m.
It's so good to know that the GOP has our back against those insipid puppies! Keep up the great work, Republicans! You guys rock!
Obscurite Jan 29, 12:34 p.m.
News flash...GOP under siege and they are acting like it...anyone catch Michael Grimm threatening a news correspondent for having the temerity to ask him about the FBI investigations in his campaign finance issues? And this all comes from the "moral party"? These guys are giving my party a BAD name...not that our name has been all that stellar of late...
chance Jan 28, 3:30 p.m.
Who cares about the profanity. This nut job is an arrogant spin doctor who has the capacity of a 2 year old when it comes to actually listening and responding with a clear line of communication. He is a bully ... screaming to get his spin across. He promises that he wants a puppy mill bill and that he will do what he can but he does not appear to be doing a thing. All talk (or should I say screaming!) and no action. Actions speak louder than words! I agree with the others ... in corporate america this guy would be gone in a heartbeat!
Super Hans Jan 28, 3:12 p.m.
Top 5 in power! This is a baaaaaad man!
Vote for Pedro Jan 28, 3:11 p.m.
Pretty sad for you then. Try doing something just for love or kindness, it's quite refreshing.
savannahn8v Jan 28, 3:05 p.m.
Pathetic!!! And these Government Officials are supposed to be respected? VOTE THEM ALL OUT!
42 Jan 28, 3:03 p.m.
Rabon: “I’m in the top five members in power in the Senate. "
Confucius says, beware the man who promises 5 but can barely deliver 2.
QC Jan 28, 3:00 p.m.
So he swears, insults the governor and his wife, alludes to corruption in his Senate, says the bill is weak when he really means strong, voices support for the continued torture of farm animals... and this is why the bill is NOT passing? Worst Congress in a country full of bad ones. And the pets and farm animals will continue to be tortured and murdered. Time to hit the streets y'all.
woodrock223 Jan 28, 2:54 p.m.
money is what is important to everyone and everything. the sole reason things are done or not done.
Honesty first Jan 28, 2:48 p.m.
AND THE GOP IS UPSET THAT SOMEONE RECORDED HIS COMMENTS AT A PUBLIC MEETING. Yep that is disgusting Pat. Get real!!! He is accountable for his comments in public.
nicelady2222 Jan 28, 2:38 p.m.
The transcript of the 90 minute tape has been released. Read for yourself and come to your own conclusions as to why the Puppy Mill Bill will never pass in NC.....seems pretty clear to me now what is going on, but you draw your own conclusions!
dollibug Jan 28, 2:34 p.m.
It seems like *money* is what is important to the NC General Assembly Members. OMG**NC has a LOT of problems, probably more than we could ever know.
Wake1 Jan 28, 2:28 p.m.
Rabon is his own biggest fan, not that he means to brag about it....
Mr. Middle of the Road Jan 28, 2:05 p.m.
With people like thus clown in charge, our state is headed for big trouble. Lets clean house the next election. Ovewrlook the party, and vote the man or woman.
cw994 Jan 28, 2:02 p.m.
Wish I could vote against this guy, but, alas, I am not represented by him (thankfully).
forddp Jan 28, 2:01 p.m.
The Republican controlled legislature has been so generous. They've given us government by clowns, government by pandering, government by intolerance, and now government by snit fit.
ncrebel Jan 28, 1:45 p.m.
If this guy was in the corporate business world, he would be fired. Speaking as an independent animal rescue volunteer, I can now understand why it is so hard to get any decent legislation passed that support and protect companion animals. Politicians should be made to go work in a county animal shelter for one day. Then maybe they would require all the commercial and backyard breeders, the AKC and the hunting community to clean up their mess. Folks, our great State kills over 250,000 companion animals each year that are either dumped or picked up as strays, neglected, abused and abandoned. This behavior is unacceptable.
As if .... Jan 28, 1:34 p.m.
These GOP terrorists are no better than the people that we fight over in Afghanistan.
barkleymaggie Jan 28, 1:23 p.m.
This representative of the people sounds like he has let the power and prestige affect his actions and I would never vote for someone who spews such vile opinions.
JECKLE Jan 28, 12:55 p.m.
Here's the title of the bill: A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
"AN ACT to establish standards of care for large commercial dog breeding facilities and to provide law enforcement with tools to ensure that dogs at those facilities are treated humanely."
It applies only to DOGS! Read the bill, Senator!
bubbasu12 Jan 28, 12:54 p.m.
I work in an animal ER . We see lots of puppy mill puppies and it is very sad. People pay big bucks to get a sick, poorly cared for puppy. They pay big bucks for a puppy with a fancy name like yorkie poo, maltipoo, chipoo, etc. People these are basically mixed breed dogs.I can't tell you how many we see with parvo , most of the time the puppies die. If people would stop buying from these places it would help close them down. Our animal shelter are full of great and very adoptable dogs and cats that need forever homes. I encourage anyone looking to adopt to check out your local shelter. The cost of neutering/spaying, vaccines, and a health exam is included in the adoption fee. The only thing you get from a puppy mill is a sick dog that may or may not have been vaccinated and if it was it was not done by a veterinarian.Puppy mill owners buy cheap vaccines that are often not viable and do not protect the animal.I hope they can come up with a bill that will protect these animal
tllight Jan 28, 12:06 p.m.
god....he doesnt mean to brag? Rabon is all that's wrong with politics anywhere...good ole boy attitude and saying...I'm in the Top 5 power, this is another sad commentary on the state of NC politics
pkellar Jan 28, 11:41 a.m.
What do you expect from a state where the Greater Raleigh Chamber of Commerce chose Vick, a convicted felon who tortured, abused and killed countless innocent dogs through his Bad Newz Kennels compound, to speak at an event that celebrates and honors local star athletes. I'm beginning to wonder why I live here.
Vote for Pedro Jan 28, 11:29 a.m.
“It can’t spill over to the animal husbandry in this state, which is an $80 billion industry – larger than the other top five industries in the state,” he said. “There is a LOT of money involved."
The almighty dollar trumps the right thing to do, again.
42 Jan 28, 11:11 a.m.
Thanks for the link.
But the law clearly states that it covers dog breeders only. My guess is there's some dog breeder lobbyists that have bought off Rabon.
"Standards of care for large commercial dog breeders. ..." Seems clear to me.
ldestefano63 Jan 28, 11:04 a.m.
Then do what the people of NC are paying you to do - make it stronger you I**ot !! Stop waiting, how many more animals have to suffer and die at the hands of greedy selfish money grubbing people ? 14 puppy mills busts in NC in the last 18 months, over 125 dogs at each bust, doesn't that tell you we need something now ?? I see weekly the products of puppy mills and the condition my rescue gets them in, it's disgusting and no living creature should have to endure that, except maybe those so called puppy mill breeders,. Do something !!
LovemyPirates Jan 28, 10:59 a.m.
The bill is poorly written only for those who can't read. http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H930v3.pdf.
Pepe Silvia Jan 28, 10:37 a.m.
You make me sick.
Dogs and animals are LIVING, BREATHING, PAIN FEELING creatures, not products and not factories for more products.
They deserve nothing less then adequate food, clean water, shelter, and medical care.
Pensive01 Jan 28, 10:37 a.m.
The bill is aimed specifically at people who have 10 or more female dogs, for the specific reason of using them to breed and sell off the puppies. It doesn't apply to businesses like kennels nor does it apply to people who breed dogs for hunting, and specifically says so in the bill. Since the language in the current bill specifically addresses dogs, and only female dogs at that, there is no possible way that it could have any effect on livestock or any other species of domesticated animal. If I can easily see how specific the bill is, I have to wonder why the senator, who is supposed to be a veterinarian, can't.
scubagirl2 Jan 28, 10:35 a.m.
WHAT are you smoking???? That comment is mind boggling
42 Jan 28, 10:26 a.m.
You heard it from Rabon, when Pat McCory's wife calls the GOP needs to man up and to tell her to stuff it. Call the cops on her too.
42 Jan 28, 10:17 a.m.
You puppy mill supporters need to go to his next town hall and tell Rabon to go "dick cheney" himself.
Pensive01 Jan 28, 10:16 a.m.
Well I did read the bill and its not as badly written as Senator Rabin claims it to be. The biggest clue that it cannot be misinterpreted to include livestock or other types of animals is the fact that the bill only applies to those who own 10 or more FEMALE dogs. Not cows or pigs or chickens, but dogs and specifically female dogs at that. The contents of the latest version of HB 930 can be found here at http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H930v3.pdf.
As anyone can see Rabin is way off base in his claims and one can only wonder at his agenda for making those claims.
LovemyPirates Jan 28, 10:09 a.m.
Wonder if those who want less government intrusion for dog breeders would approve of less government in the decision of abortion and marriage. Also, many in this same group would argue that abortion is murder but capital punishment isn't. I'm disgusted by hypocrisy.
Bealzebub Jan 28, 10:08 a.m.
He wants a stronger bill which means it would more narrowly define things and I would assume be stronger on going after the puppy mills. What is the problem with that? And if it really is written so that it could be applied to farm animals and could lead to all kinds of unintended consequences then he's trying to save everybody some aggravation? I don't like Republicans at all but what he says makes sense to me.
goldenosprey Jan 28, 10:01 a.m.
By his own words
With a recorder in plain sight
As he addressed constituents.
Sometimes, rightist supporters need to, as the song goes, "know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em..."
JustOneGodLessThanU Jan 28, 9:55 a.m.
Analysis paralysis. Thanks, Republicans for your "hard work". (sarcasm) For example:
Smoking doesn't cause cancer. We need more study.
Global Climate Change isn't real...98% of Climate Scientists have all been lying. We need more study.
This anti-puppy mill bill needs to be better written, so we will do nothing until that (undisclosed, unplanned) time.
delta29alpha Jan 28, 9:48 a.m.
Seems to me that his main reason to kill the Bill is that it is written so poorly that it is likely to be interpreted to include livestock or food animals. I can understand his concern if this is true. He did say the he would introduce a stronger or more clearly defined Bill directed to address the Puppy Mill problem. I can only form an opinion based on the article since I don't know any of the parties personally nor have I read the actual bill.
42 Jan 28, 9:48 a.m.
A good rule of thumb is to not use profanity in the first place. That said Rabon did use profanity that slightly derogatory to women. I wonder what he would have called them in private.
lprop Jan 28, 9:37 a.m.
Why can't lawmakers just look at the facts of an issue at hand and make and enforce laws to protect whoever or whatever is effected? Make your decisions on facts, morality and what is right. Leave greed, ignorance,stupidity and power struggle outside and just do your jobs as you should be doing. This might just be to simple for the politician to understand.
satellitegirl41 Jan 28, 9:31 a.m.
Is there somewhere we could actually read this bill? They didn't link to it in the article, that I could see. I think animals, farm industry or not, need to be treated humanely, but I can definitely understand there needing to be some differences between pet farms and food farms. And the comment about there being "women in the room" was just ridiculous from that lady. We can handle it....this isn't the 1920's. I wish people would think before they speak.
HeadsUp Jan 28, 9:26 a.m.
Yes, shady. Obviously the legislator intended for it to be an off the record discussion, and likely said so. (You haven't heard the full audio anywhere, have you???) And the woman who taped it without the legislator's knowledge is full of animosity toward him, so it's easy to believe she was trying to trap him. Ha ha, so cute and clever.
The group's pathetic attempt at legislative extortion only made it worse. But now the stunt will backfire in spades, as it should. Smart people with good judgement would never have proposed, recommended, approved, or taken such a dishonorable approach.
If the animal rights advocates want to pass a good bill -- as I hope they will -- then they need to act like adults, not petulant teenagers. To save the puppies, grow up, people.
42 Jan 28, 9:18 a.m.
“I’m in the top five members in power in the Senate. The best shot you folks have ever had, you’re talking to."
He sounds like an ...
42 Jan 28, 9:16 a.m.
GOPers don't like the tapes that embarrass them. Want to bet Rabon would have denied using that language with his constituents
Ijaz Fahted Jan 28, 9:15 a.m.
Yeah, what this guy is saying is that you are a liberal by default just for supporting this bill. He clearly is unstable. It is best to ignore and not feed the trolls.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03