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  • Sally1023 Nov 25, 11:47 a.m.

    GREED! Have you ever filed a claim w/BCBS NC by yourself? First off the claim is ALWAYS delined and mailed back to you. For me, it took an hour long phone calls, plus multiple hold times once a month to get every claim straight and I eventually recieved 100% of the claim. I am blessed to have a good education and determination, but sadly my guess is many give up when they get the rejection and that money stays with BCBS NC, money their subscribers are rightly due. For a not for porfit organnization making a profit of $12.2 billion in 2011 and their top management making millions and then in 2012 when there was a slight dip in "profits" senior management still receiving over 1 million dollars in bonuses each is exceedingly greedy and obscene. NC needs to embrass and welcome a large volume of competition in health care. Why can we have all the car and home insurance options we need, but we are stuck with less than reputable tactics processing health claims? My story is not unique.

  • misschris234 Nov 21, 9:34 a.m.

    "Chicken has gone up to $14.00 for just three breast."- Barb

    I would have passed out too! Where in the world are you shopping that has 3 chicken breasts for $14??? I buy organic and have never paid more than $9... and the non-organic, no more than $7... go to Lowe's this week... BOGO, get 2 packs for about 6-7 bucks.

  • barbstillkickin Nov 21, 8:41 a.m.

    Higher Rates. You have got to be kidding me. This is terrible. My husband works for this horrible state and he has to pay over $550.00 a month just o insure me. So NOBODY BETTER EVER TELL ME STATE EMPLOYEES GOT IT MADE. They made a huge profit last year so why raise rates. Everything is going up but PAY husband has not seen a raise for 6 years and then it was 1%. Chicken has gone up to $14.00 for just three breast. I almost passed out. Got to love all you Obama fans. He is behind all this bad stuff so enjoy your great President.

  • mep Nov 20, 5:39 p.m.

    BCBS does not have a monopoly on health insurance in NC. Spend your money with Cigna (junks favorite), United, Humana, Aetna, Coventry.... you have choices!" - MEP

    Not with 2014 policies you don't.

    I tried shopping all other carriers for a new policy since my BCBS got cancelled, and the Obama approved replacement was going to be 106% more.

    The other carriers' 2014 plans are even higher, or they have such a restricted network they are useless.

    It is the Obama requirements starting in 2014 that effect ALL policies (not grandfathered or waivered) that are making the rates double and triple.

    Obama has ruined the individual marketplace, and now compels us to buy or pay a fine. If you have to supply your own insurance you are hosed...
    foodstamptrader

    GREAT POST... even more reasons to get the govt out of health care! My BCBS is up 50% next year and it is still the cheapest!
    Woo hoo!!!

  • What if_I could Nov 20, 5:12 p.m.

    This is were ObamaCare needs to start....with insurance and drug companies. BCBS pays the ridiculous bonsus' and people can barely pay insurance.

  • misschris234 Nov 20, 5:06 p.m.

    EA,"Due to its not-for-profit status, BCBSNC is often thought of as a non-taxable entity; however, we are a fully-taxed company, having incurred nearly $160 million in local, state and federal taxes in 2010 alone. New ACA insurer taxes will add considerably to that total. While it is impossible to perfectly predict BCBSNC’s market-share years from now, we estimate that our share of the fee in 2014 will be approximately $68.5 million. With a long-range profit margin of just 3.5 to 4.5 cents per dollar of revenue, which we depend on to fund investments necessary to improve our products and service, BCBSNC will have to pass along its share of the new ACA taxes in the form of higher premiums. Because the new fees are non-deductible, BCBSNC will have to use an estimated $107.5 million of premiums in 2014 to cover the amount for which we are responsible. To generate that $107.5 million in new revenue, premiums for BCBSNC insured customers would increase by up to an additional 3.0 percent

  • exteacher Nov 20, 5:05 p.m.

    All you people screaming about your rates you do understand exactly WHY they are going up, right? Health care costs continue to soar, more and more tests being ordered, more drugs being prescribed. Do you all think everything is supposed to be FREE? Don't answer that, because I am afraid what the answer might be. Have you paid any attention to the things BCBS is trying to do to lower costs, like not allowing your doctor to gouge you for x-ray charges (for example)? Doctors were charging a FULL fee for EACH x-ray they read (if you had 3 x-rays you were charged 3 set-up charges, 3 times for the room, and 3 times for the reading). Millions of dollars saved on just that one item, and who pushed back on it? The DOCTORS and the HOSPITALS!!! You people also need to do your research into what all you are having to pay for. There are EIGHT new items covered under the ACA, along with new taxes. Do you think BCBS should be paying those taxes and fees?

  • European American Nov 20, 5:01 p.m.

    AIn't life grand you liberal supporters. Ain't it grand. NoTimeForStupidity

    Oh the irony! Might want to learn what "ain't" means.

  • srichmond63 Nov 20, 4:59 p.m.

    Finally, a winner with the new healthcare law...
    Let's clear this up
    Hospital sends a bill to Medicare or Medicaid, pay 1,000 dollars for services rendered. Government says no. We will pay 350.00 if you do not accept this as payment in full, we will refuse all medicare and medicaid patients to come to your hospital. Now, the hospital looking at a high volume of their business agrees and accepts approximately one third the total bill as payment. Then comes the bill to the insurance company ...1,000 dollars for services rendered and the insurance company...seeing the volume of their clients does the same as the government and it works. They, too pay approximately one third the bill. Then, I walk in and I am on my own. I get my bill for 1,000 dollars and guess what? I pay 1,000 dollars. The uninsured aren't the ones not paying their bill. They are the only ones that do. This is the way it works. So all of the misinformation about uninsured driving up the cost of health care is just that..

  • Billy the Kid Nov 20, 4:59 p.m.

    "If the plans didn't meet the minimum requirement of the ACA, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're bad plans. Too bad people don't realize that and are happy to continue to throw their money away on overpriced, inadequate healthcare, like we've been doing for decades."

    Because a 70 year old couple needs maternity coverage.

  • European American Nov 20, 4:53 p.m.

    From BCBS website....we estimate that our share of the health insurance tax in 2014 will be approximately $69.7 million and because the tax is non-tax deductible, BCBSNC will have to use an estimated $109.4 million of premiums in 2014 to cover the amount for which we are responsible.

    So they need to use $109.4 million of premiums to pay $69.7 million?

    Guess that extra $40 million goes to bonuses.

  • misschris234 Nov 20, 4:39 p.m.

    "If BCBS raises their rates, the others will more than likely follow. They already make a huge profit."

    ALL the insurers are required to pay the new taxes and fees, PLUS adjust for all the new regulations and coverage, so that's a no-brainer. And if several million more don't enroll soon, those already high rates are going to increase.

  • WralCensorsAreBias Nov 20, 4:36 p.m.

    "The ACA has nothing to to with socialism."

    Correct you are, however, it's creator has everything to do with socialism. The ACA is just another wave in the freedom ending tsunami of liberalism. Once the employer mandate goes away, and millions realize they will also lose their doctors, in just a few months, get ready for the most damage from tsunami Obama.

    Doctors are bailing left and right and now hospitals aren't interested in taking part in the socialism experiment that voters allowed to take place by electing more liars and liberals.

    We haven't seen a thing yet and if you think I'm wrong, remind of that next Spring when you get your employer letter of cancellation and/or find out your docs won't be available with your NEW plan.

    AIn't life grand you liberal supporters. Ain't it grand.

  • misschris234 Nov 20, 4:30 p.m.

    European American, here you go... it's on their website.

    http://www.bcbsnc.com/assets/hcr/pdfs/spotlight_taxes_and_fees.pdf

  • anotherbabyboomer Nov 20, 4:21 p.m.

    If BCBS raises their rates, the others will more than likely follow. They already make a huge profit.

  • goldenosprey Nov 20, 4:20 p.m.

    "Socialism is great!!!!" A Lib

    The ACA has nothing to to with socialism. It is a market based solution that was designed to enrich health insurance providers and foster personal responsibility for individuals by compelling them to cover themselves instead of sticking the rest of us with he bill

    By the Heritage foundation.

    Now what they have in Marxist dystopias like Canada, Germany, Israel, South Korea, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Japan, etc. -that's socialism. The horror.

  • foodstamptrader Nov 20, 4:19 p.m.

    "If you believe BCBS or any other company is being greedy. DONT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM! It is your best and only recourse against them. BCBS does not have a monopoly on health insurance in NC. Spend your money with Cigna (junks favorite), United, Humana, Aetna, Coventry.... you have choices!" - MEP

    Not with 2014 policies you don't.

    I tried shopping all other carriers for a new policy since my BCBS got cancelled, and the Obama approved replacement was going to be 106% more.

    The other carriers' 2014 plans are even higher, or they have such a restricted network they are useless.

    It is the Obama requirements starting in 2014 that effect ALL policies (not grandfathered or waivered) that are making the rates double and triple.

    Obama has ruined the individual marketplace, and now compels us to buy or pay a fine. If you have to supply your own insurance you are hosed...

  • goldenosprey Nov 20, 4:13 p.m.

    Neversurrender, too funny.

    Think about what you posted. The dismay of paying 12-15% taxes when we already pay 18% of GDP! And bemoaning the public option. "How would any of the private insurers hope to compete against an entity that could essentially price them out of business."

    Because they've been overcharging us all this time? Why do we need them in business if they overcharge us?

    "just read a story yesterday about massive delays in the VA system for authorising procedures when cancers are very treatable and survivable until the point where the patient dies waiting for the procedure."

    Yeah, you can read a lot of stories, but that does not mean it is impossible for the gov to manage care as effectively as all those countries where, you know, people out live Americans.

    "trusting government accounting is like giving the fox the keys to the hen house" NeverSurrend

    Trusting a for-profit corporations that only profit from denying care is giving the fox the hens on a platter.

  • onlymy2cents Nov 20, 4:10 p.m.

    But again- the website quote, other than involving "saving money" has NOTHING to do with the $2500 promise originally discussed.
    Because, again, that $2500 promise was about UNIVERSAL healthcare with a PUBLIC option.
    You can tell, because those are the ACTUAL WORDS USED when discussing it back in 2007/2008.Junkmail

    Again your response is moot. Same old flunkie tactics.

    The original poster’s point was the entire idea was supposed to save a family x number of dollars. Which we are not experiencing at the moment.
    It is a moot point to say plan A (Universal HealthCare) was only touting a savings of x number of dollars when in fact, and it is a fact, the ACA website is promising a very similar savings for a family of four at this moment. You have been provided the link.
    What the verbiage was in 2007/2008 is moot too since we have an actual law in place making a false promise regarding the savings a family of four should experience. Which is very close in the amount your boy claim in 07/

  • European American Nov 20, 4:03 p.m.

    BCBS needs to show what the Taxes and Fees are.

  • A Libertarian Nov 20, 3:58 p.m.

    junkmail - keep pushing those talking points. Obama is the best thing that has ever happen to end socialism. I support you 100%. Socialism is great!!!! Everybody get on board. The government knows best!!!

  • mep Nov 20, 3:55 p.m.

    I've posted my comment before. If you believe BCBS or any other company is being greedy. DONT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM! It is your best and only recourse against them. BCBS does not have a monopoly on health insurance in NC. Spend your money with Cigna (junks favorite), United, Humana, Aetna, Coventry.... you have choices!

    Now if you want taxpayers to subsidize your health insurance... your choices are going to be less. But hey, that is what you get with a Federally run health exchange and unwilling companies.

    So stop complaining about so-called "greedy" companies and do something... or else be quiet.

    On a side note: This rate increase, due to Obamacare fees and regulations are in fact a tax hike on every BCBS member!
    Enjoy it America... you wanted Obamacare... you got it. LOL.

  • A Libertarian Nov 20, 3:47 p.m.

    Lets see, I know get basic insurance for stuff I do not need and a 10,700 deductible. Socialism at its best!

  • no contest Nov 20, 3:30 p.m.

    When it comes to Obamacare, or other liberal ideas, don't argue. Liberals are blinded by ideas that they HOPE will work and ignore facts. Liberals can only make liberal ideas work by FORCE or intimidation. Liberals need laws that force you to think and act as liberals do. Liberals want to raise taxes (more laws and policies) to pay for ideas because liberals cannot afford their own liberal ideas.

    If liberal ideas are so good then let the liberals finance their ideas until an idea is a working product or service that people will pay for.

    Productive ambitious people with personal responsibility and the desire to succeed don't like paying for failure. Productive people KNOW when something doesn't work, is a bad deal or when they are being lied to. Productive people don't like their tax dollars being WASTED on useless ideas.

    Liberals are making a lot of excuses these days trying to explain what FACTS Obama "really" meant to say. Excuses only satisfy the person making them.

  • foodstamptrader Nov 20, 3:20 p.m.

    "Then factor in the costs associated with keeping old plans for a year, then EVERYONE (100 million +) getting cancellation notices next year, along with MUCH higher premiums due to lack of participants... all just in time for the mid-term elections. Its the 2010 shellacking all over again! LOL." - mep

    Yep, due to the failed actuarial pools of Obamacare which will populated by old, sick and subsidized, the 2015 premiums will be even higher than the current sticker shocked prices. And, they will be announced in October 2014 just as folks get ready to go to the poles.

    Millions will remember who took away their insurance and picked their pocket clean. It won't be a good day to be a Demo stooge up for election....

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 3:05 p.m.

    After all why would these so called "greedy" companies want to drop millions of customers.- Pirate01

    Have you just not been paying attention or something?

    NONE of those cancel notices were "You no longer have insurance, stop sending money! Bye!"

    They were "Your insurance will not be able to be renewed for NEXT year. Instead we can offer you this NEW policy with NEW coverage and a NEW price."

    In some cases they added "In fact, if we don't hear otherwise, we'll automatically sign you up for this NEW policy and send you a bill!"

    Some insurance companies actually got FINED for this behavior- because they were essentially using the ACA as a scam to trick people into more expensive policies....without informing them they had cheaper options available too.

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 3:02 p.m.

    So the govt is still proposing a savings, whether it comes from Obama or the website, the fact is they are still saying a savings should occur. Unfortunately for a lot of people in the private market, this is not the reality.
    onlymy2cents

    Yes...about 3% of the market are seeing the opposite.

    That's unfortunate for that 3%.

    Most of the rest of the country though will see either no significant change at all, or LOWER costs.

    But again- the website quote, other than involving "saving money" has NOTHING to do with the $2500 promise originally discussed.

    Because, again, that $2500 promise was about UNIVERSAL healthcare with a PUBLIC option.

    You can tell, because those are the ACTUAL WORDS USED when discussing it back in 2007/2008.

    And that's not the system we ended up with.

    The only "cherry picking" here is the folks who cut off the 2008 quotes at the "2500" number without including the context that makes it clear he wasn't talking about the ACA. Which didn't EXIST yet.

  • Pirate01 Nov 20, 2:59 p.m.

    "Insurance companies can't wait to find reasons to raise rates, look how much they make in profit. Politicians will be blaming each other and they will get richer.
    anotherbabyboomer"

    The rate of everything always rises. But nothing like this has ever been seen when you have out of pocket expenses for people going up 100-200% because of "obamacare". BCBS did not want to cancel policies. They were cash paying customers. After all why would these so called "greedy" companies want to drop millions of customers. They were forced, by Obama and the dems, to do this. But that is why the "obamacare solution" was never intended to be a solution that works for the people. It was designed to empower the goverment and control the people. If you want lower rates, you increase transparency, promote competition by allowing policies across state lines, remove excessive government regulation, limit lawsuits, tax free health savings accounts.

  • dollibug Nov 20, 2:58 p.m.

    Charge the difference to the prez....he will be happy to *pick up the bill*.

  • mep Nov 20, 2:56 p.m.

    the fact is they are still saying a savings should occur. Unfortunately for a lot of people in the private market, this is not the reality.
    onlymy2cents

    Obamacare savings? Only when the CBO uses the VERY "rosy" and unrealistic projections provided by the Democrats... that include deep cuts to Medicare (That will never happen) and Medicaid... which is in fact exploding with new customers. Couple that with several new taxes that BOTH parties now want to eliminate and the entire systematic failure of practically no one signing up, much less young healthy people NECESSARY to keep Obamacare from bankrupting insurance companies (Which will be allowed a taxpayer bailout by the law). Then factor in the costs associated with keeping old plans for a year, then EVERYONE (100 million +) getting cancellation notices next year, along with MUCH higher premiums due to lack of participants... all just in time for the mid-term elections. Its the 2010 shellacking all over again! LOL.

  • anotherbabyboomer Nov 20, 2:46 p.m.

    Insurance companies can't wait to find reasons to raise rates, look how much they make in profit. Politicians will be blaming each other and they will get richer.

  • sandim50 Nov 20, 2:42 p.m.

    Something smells and it is not skunks at BC/BS. Last year our supplemental insurance combined for myself and spouse jumped from
    $160 per mo for the two of us to $262 per mo for the two of us and last mo it went to $328 mo Is there any end in sight. With all of the raises in our plan and of course: utilities, gas, food, insurance, Time Warner pkg. etc. our Golden years are being more tarnished every day in every way. Our rainy day retirement can hold out in this continued STORM

  • wraluser Nov 20, 2:40 p.m.

    BC&BS is full of it. Just another excuse to bilk the public. Evil company, avoid at all costs...

  • Alexia Nov 20, 2:31 p.m.

    NeverSurrender, but the government already has the keys to the hen house. They print money, spend at will, etc. I'm pretty sure they can manage the national program.

    Is the UK 12% that high because they do not regulate costs of procedures and drugs? If 9.5% is the cost today, but then we regulate prices of procedures and drugs, can that be reduced?

    Already, I'm paying money in taxes on every paycheck for medicare. This should be rolled into the same program. And it's a sizable tax between employer and employee.

  • miseem Nov 20, 2:30 p.m.

    I would want medical professionals to be well-paid. But an ER visit for a broken leg should not cost $2000+. We just need to find the right balance.
    paulej.

    I hope you just accidentally left a zero off that number. A visit to the ER for a nose bleed would probably be $2,000+.

  • onlymy2cents Nov 20, 2:29 p.m.

    Yes.. but that has literally nothing to do with the $2500 claim Obama made about a DIFFERENT healthcare plan in 2008.junkmail5

    You again cherry picked one part of the post....try and stay on topic...the part you cherry picked was a plant to see if you would take the bait....and you did. It is just a repeat of the first part of my post, so you didn't even go to the link and see for yourself did ya? Just spouted off some irrelevant gibberish.

    Same old tactics from you ....here is the part you conveniently did not cherry pick ...And a family of four would save as much as $2,300 on their premiums in 2014 compared to what they would have paid without reform."

    So the govt is still proposing a savings, whether it comes from Obama or the website, the fact is they are still saying a savings should occur. Unfortunately for a lot of people in the private market, this is not the reality.

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 2:23 p.m.

    Once the predatory pricing (which is illegal for everyone else under the anti-trust and RICO statutes!) of the "public option" put everyone else out of the business, you've got single payer by default which was the goal all along.
    Click to view my profileNeverSurrender

    Given it'd be significantly cheaper.... why is that a bad thing?

    it's worth noting though that MANY other nations with universal care use EXACTLY a hybrid model with both public and private options... and none of the doom and gloom "run them out of business" nonsense you describe happens there.

    Heck, there's systems (Switzerland for example) that is virtually ALL private insurance but UNIVERSAL and REQUIRED coverage for everyone.

    They too spend FAR less per citizen than we do, while covering EVERYONE.

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 2:17 p.m.

    Even if we were to close the tax loopholes that hospitals use inflated chargemaster pricing to evade tax, you'd still need to be round 12-15% for a US medical "tax".- NeverSurrender

    At which point we'd STILL be paying WAY less than we pay now.

    Which is about 18% of GDP for healthcare.

  • busyb97 Nov 20, 2:16 p.m.

    Smoke and mirrors...it's all just smoke and mirrors. Both sides just say what they think the people want to hear.

  • LetsBeFair Nov 20, 2:11 p.m.

    but but ... the president said things will be lower ... so far everything is higher, mine has gone up and nothing changed.

  • misschris234 Nov 20, 2:08 p.m.

    "I doubt you would. But as I don't know you, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The problem is, is that there is no real alternative to the ACA that would address the 50 plus million without insurance or the fact that we have the highest health care costs in the nation.-Plenty Coups"

    I would actually support Universal Healthcare over this disaster. But as I have said before, THE ACA doesn't address getting 50 million uninsured coverage. 10 years from now, 30+M will still be uninsured. That number was from over a year ago, and anticipated 7 Million enrolling, 38% of them being young and healthy. That's not going to happen. It also didn't account for the $4B loss due to the employer mandate delay. That number will rise on it's next report. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf

  • NeverSurrender Nov 20, 2:07 p.m.

    "I know quite well it can kill you because a friend's coworker died waiting for his private insurance death panel to approve the surgery. My wife had to wait over 6 years, not 6 months like you say industrialized countries make you wait but 6 years, because she had a pre-existing condition and could not get coverage."

    I can assure you that the government has their own "death panels"...just read a story yesterday about massive delays in the VA system for authorising procedures when cancers are very treatable and survivable until the point where the patient dies waiting for the procedure.

    My father waited for years for surgery on his cancer thanks to VA trying to kill him off...he barely got the surgery in time and it was far more massive and costly an undertaking than had VA just treated the cancer when it was a spot on his neck.

    Anyone who tells you single payer care isn't rationed ought to visit a VA hospital one of these days and see who gets screwed for serving their country! :(

  • NeverSurrender Nov 20, 2:03 p.m.

    "mep, I absolutely deny that govt is the source of all cost increases in health care. And the GOP wants to do NOTHING about it."

    One could really bend the cost curve back to something resembling reality by making provider chargemaster pricing for tax accounting purposes illegal.

    Ever noticed how the bill before insurance is inflated about 5-10x (if not much more!)? That number has no basis in reality other than included in it is the unreimbursed costs of care and profit.

    For a $10K chargemaster procedure that the provider agreed to take $2K from insurance (and/or government)...what do you think happens to the other $8K? It doesn't disappear...it shows up in the accounting as a "loss" even though the "loss" never occurred.

    If the provider isn't paid the $2K they agreed, then I feel that's a legitimate business loss. But what they don't collect is also added to the phony $8K "loss" that never happened and further inflates the chargemaster pricing in a vicious cycle.

  • NeverSurrender Nov 20, 1:56 p.m.

    "I think Obama is a screw-up. Mind you, his republican opponents would have been unmitigated disasters for the country and he was the least of two evils. I'm still displeased he folded on the public option. You know, that "competition" that had the for-profit parasites shaking in their Prada loafers."

    The "public option" as "competition" argument was and still is an utter farce.

    How would any of the private insurers hope to compete against an entity that could essentially price them out of business.

    Here's a hint...the insurance companies are not allowed to print their own money nor are they allowed to rack up huge deficits with other people's money.

    The Feds are.

    Once the predatory pricing (which is illegal for everyone else under the anti-trust and RICO statutes!) of the "public option" put everyone else out of the business, you've got single payer by default which was the goal all along.

  • 68_dodge_polara Nov 20, 1:55 p.m.

    Thank you The Unaffordable care Act

  • NeverSurrender Nov 20, 1:52 p.m.

    "If we all paid, say, 5% in taxes as a medical tax, would it be much different than paying for medical insurance? And would 5% of all income in America cover the cost of healthcare (if costs are managed)?"

    That's doubtful when the ACA itself defines "affordable" as 9.5% of household income.

    Class 1 National Insurance contributions in the UK (the "medical tax" you're advocating) is 12% between the primary thresholds and 2% above that unless you've got one of various exemptions.

    Even if we were to close the tax loopholes that hospitals use inflated chargemaster pricing to evade tax, you'd still need to be round 12-15% for a US medical "tax".

    "I personally think the insurance companies are totally unnecessary."

    Someone has to do the claims authorisations and processing and keep an accounting of the books. Government accounting doesn't come close to the standard of honesty demanded of the private sector...trusting government accounting is like giving the fox the keys to the hen house

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 1:51 p.m.

    I'm completely in favor of having healthcare for every person, but I think it should just be one without insurance companies. If the government regulated prices of services and drugs, then we pay a tax to cover the costs of healthcare -- done. Everyone is covered.

    This works in other countries. It is expensive, but costs should and can be managed. -paulej

    Actually, it's NOT expensive.

    You can tell, because all the other countries in the world do it this way and spend MUCH LESS than we do.

    If we spent as little as the average other nation per capita...and put all the savings toward the debt... the ENTIRE national debt would be GONE in about 1 generation.

    That's how much more we waste on this than all the universal healthcare countries do.

    It's insane.

  • junkmail5 Nov 20, 1:50 p.m.

    Well except for some of the ultra large employers of low wage staff such as Walmart, McDonald's, etc that were given exemptions from most Obamacare requirements.

    These firms employ tens of thousands, but get a free pass, why?- foodstamptrader

    Can you cite the "special exemption" these companies were given from the requirements?

    because it sounds like you've fallen for yet another right-wing myth....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/16/did-obama-exempt-1200-groups-including-congress-from-obamacare/

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/myths-and-facts Fact The health policy experts and economists who have looked at this legislation have said we are pursuing every possible mechanism to reduce health care costs. The Congressional Budget Office found that health insurance reform will reduce the deficit by $210
    onlymy2cents

    Yes.. but that has literally nothing to do with the $2500 claim Obama made about a DIFFERENT healthcare plan in 2008.

  • goldenosprey Nov 20, 1:48 p.m.

    " Need your gall bladder removed, you may get it before you get pancreatitis from a gall stone lodging in the digestive track. OBTW that can kill you." mikeyfan5600

    I know quite well it can kill you because a friend's coworker died waiting for his private insurance death panel to approve the surgery. My wife had to wait over 6 years, not 6 months like you say industrialized countries make you wait but 6 years, because she had a pre-existing condition and could not get coverage.

    Also you seem to miss the basic math that you get healthcare services from your taxes in Norway (highest per capita gdp in the world, I think)whereas here, unless you are old or super poor here you have to pay hundreds of dollars a month to a private co. You still pay, you just pay more because our system costs twice as much. Is money you pay in taxes greener than what you pay to BCBS?

  • redapace Nov 20, 1:45 p.m.

    Funny thing is most of the people on here complaining about healthcare costs have someone else paying for their healthcare anyway. Get your healthcare coverage from your employer? Someone else is paying for your healthcare. Medicare? Someone else is paying for your healthcare.

    If they had to write a check every month to BCBS (pay their own way) they'd know that rate increases are nothing new. I pay my own healthcare premium in full and rates have increased every single year since I purchased the plan. And the increase for next year is no bigger than the last 10.

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