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ForTheLoveOfGodGrowUp Nov 20, 7:27 p.m.
678develish: "The officers should be fired because someone lost their life because of his carelessness."
A life was lost yes. Where did the carelessness begin? Perhaps with whoever put a gun in the Juveniles hands to begin with?
I believe that a lot of people will learn from this however I do wish that you would stop Monday Morning Quarterbacking especially if you have never lived in the shoes of a LEO.
Poboy1963 Nov 20, 6:07 p.m.
First of all, prayers go out to all involved. Next, it is great that several of you were in that backseat and can go ahead and give your testimony to the SBI on this investigation... well, from what you have said, I just assume.......
678devilish Nov 20, 4:36 p.m.
will be the ones who repeat their mistakes over andover.
THE COPS. HOPEFULLY THEY ALL WILL LEARN FROM THIS.
678devilish Nov 20, 3:51 p.m.
Officer is to be blamed for not throughly checking this victim to see if he was cleared of any weapons, including loaded guns. The officers should be fired because someone lost their life because of his carelessness.
ncmedic201 Nov 20, 3:20 p.m.
Correcto, you are correcto...learning from mistakes is imperative in this industry. For those who want to say that nothing was done improperly will be the ones who repeat their mistakes over andover.
DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Nov 20, 2:28 p.m.
Even a cursory examination of the man and the police cruiser should have turned up a civilian firearm if that's what the loud noise was. So what's the holdup of the authorities revealing whether one was found in the cruiser or not?
ecu4me2 Nov 20, 2:06 p.m.
WRAL....what do the other cases have to do with this one....Really and that's my 2 cent....
Classified Nov 20, 12:15 p.m.
“Well as minor as you say it is, think of the big picture.”
We could all magnify any trivial incident into a seemingly catastrophic event but in reality second degree trespass IS an exceedingly minor offense.
sinenomine Nov 20, 12:10 p.m.
leo, if the young man had a gun it would obviously be a much more serious matter. I never said otherwise. Furthermore I am not aware of a news report which says that he in fact had a gun.
It's easy enough to set up a straw man and then knock him down. Please have the courtesy to confine your comments to what I actually said and not what you would like me to have said.
Classified Nov 20, 12:10 p.m.
“ncmedic I'm willing to bet you make mistakes that can be avoided too, unless you're perfect of course.“
leo-nc – Perhaps you are taking ncmedic’s comment out of context. Just let me say that during my time as a fire fighter it was common practice to have a critique after major incidents so that we might improve our performance for the next incident but I guarantee that those with thin skins will be the least likely to learn from mistakes.
Classified Nov 20, 12:07 p.m.
“My kids don't do that. They ask if they can go somewhere because they understand if they get caught, the consequences will be enormous.”
Question: define naïve.
Answer: See above comment
leo-nc Nov 20, 11:45 a.m.
"As I posted earlier, second degree trespass is an exceedingly minor offense. You correctly observed that it is a crime nonetheless. Still, I wonder if your attitude might be different if it were your son or daughter who was shortly to be under the ground on account of the outcome of such a paltry situation."----
Well as minor as you say it is, think of the big picture. Firstly, it's an arrest-able offense. Secondly, if he had a gun on him, then the offense becomes much more serious and something else was going on other then just trespass. This could only be the beginning of something more sinister that never had the opportunity to occur because of the kid being nabbed beforehand. Big picture, folks. Gun = bad things. So no, this wasn't just a minor thing. Not by a long shot.
sinenomine Nov 20, 11:33 a.m.
knowitall7, I agree completely with your comment posted at 11:25 AM EST November 20, 2013.
leo-nc Nov 20, 11:29 a.m.
"Genie- Once again I repeat Kids sneak out, thats what teenagers do. Like the teen who stole her fathers truck and crashed it killing herself. They were unaware she escaped from her room." -
My kids don't do that. They ask if they can go somewhere because they understand if they get caught, the consequences will be enormous. I never snuck out. My brothers and sisters never snuck out. The kids on my wife's side of my family never snuck out. Why? Consequences and teaching from our parents. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Even my youngest, wild kid as he is won't dare do such a thing. Sad excuse. Sorry. There is more fail here then just the officer if there is any on his part...
sinenomine Nov 20, 11:27 a.m.
knowitall7, nowhere, at least in the WRAL article, does it say the young man had a gun. Where are you getting that information, or is it surmise on your part?
As I posted earlier, second degree trespass is an exceedingly minor offense. You correctly observed that it is a crime nonetheless. Still, I wonder if your attitude might be different if it were your son or daughter who was shortly to be under the ground on account of the outcome of such a paltry situation.
Bogged Down Nov 20, 11:27 a.m.
"Based on the preliminary investigation, it does not appear that any Durham police officer fired a weapon during this incident," Police Chief Jose Lopez told reporters in a statement Tuesday morning.
QUESTION: Who conducted the investigation?
ANSWER: The Durham Police Department, that's who.
When asked who raided the hen house, the fox assured everyone he would look into it immediately and guaranteed that he would fully exonerate himself.
knowitall7 Nov 20, 11:25 a.m.
Civil4Mind -- no, the blame does not go to the cop.
And, my name is a joke. Lighten up.
75Tarheel Nov 20, 11:09 a.m.
........It makes me so nervous to this day to even talk about this. But it probably saved my life a number of times once the Lord spared me that night.
Point is: this young Officer may have made a similar mistake or just overlooked something.
As for the suspect, I'll wait for those facts as well though I do have an opinion.
Walkin Man Nov 20, 11:07 a.m.
I don't think anyone can come to any conclusions about this until all the facts are known.
ncmedic201 Nov 20, 11:03 a.m.
rachel, I said that the officer not following policy led to the boy dying. I never blamed the officer for the possible choices that the boy made. There is nothing that states whether this was intentional or not intentional. There is nothing that says the boy brought the gun or if he found the gun. My comment stated that a policy was obviously not followed. That failure to follow policy could have led to the officers death or someone else's death. By denying that something went terribly wrong in this situation does nothing for making the system better.
Civil4Mind Nov 20, 10:52 a.m.
I can see that and understand that. Maybe not putting handcuffs on him but he still could have search him properly. Otherwise that might have been his life instead of the boys. Hate to have you think about it but you would want your husband to search someone verse them putting a gund to his head because he decided to be kind.
Civil4Mind Nov 20, 10:50 a.m.
Your name is rather incorrect isn't it?... First off no one said the Cop killed anyone. You might want to take a second to read what I wrote instead of picking out what you like.
Secondly Cops search people so they won't cause harm to the officer or theirselves. Their jobs is to detain the suspect and ensure their safety as well as others. UNLESS they are in danger (ie. the fellow who commited suicide by cop). That is an excused situation. No matter how you look at it the COP failed to do his job properly. No one is saying he pulled the trigger, what I am saying is he did not implement what he was trained to do. He made a bad call. NO ONE is perfect including the beloved LEO's. And if Trespassing a crime than so is your driving 5 over -__-! I'm sure you got a ticket for it! same
Once again I repeat Kids sneak out, thats what teenagers do. Like the teen who stole her fathers truck and crashed it killing herself. They were unaware she escaped from her room.
rachel Nov 20, 10:50 a.m.
ncmedic201-perhaps a "policy" wasn't followed- by why is it always the police's fault if someone does something and they get hurt by their own actions? If I chose to hide a gun, pull the trigger and kill myself and I am standing next to the president-is it his fault I am dead? No, its my own fault. If this kid got shot on his own, then it is too late for him to "own up" to HIS mistake-nobody else is at fault-whether or not the officer did everything right-doesn't make him to blame for this person's actions. The kid had the brains, the ability to sit tight and keep quiet-he also should not have been trolling the streets at 3am-and Mom was where? and his big sister was where? Oh yeah, quoting to the newspaper what a great kid this was and how it was someone else's fault-shocker.
ncmedic201 Nov 20, 10:41 a.m.
leo, I never said I am a perfect person. My point was to those acting like the officer did nothing wrong. It's obvious a policy somewhere was not followed. Next time it could be an innocent person, even the officer, who ends up dead. Policies are there for a reason and in emergency services, whether fire, EMS or law enforcement, those policies are there to protect yourself and the public. Are you saying that this officer did everything right? The only way to learn from our mistakes is to own up to them. Denial does nothing but increase the likelihood that they will occur again.
lisaclark2 Nov 20, 10:39 a.m.
"Phyxius1" I've been in Wake County since 84 and I've never ever heard anyone say Durham is the place you should be... Past RTP has always been the stopping point.
lisaclark2 Nov 20, 10:37 a.m.
Maybe these parents should have started their concerns long before this happened. My husband is an officer, and at times they do stupid things like trusting certain people who appear to pose no harm to them... Did anyone ever stop to think this officer may have wanted to treat this kids as if someone care about him and that he was trying to be supportive and not handle him like a bad offender.
knowitall7 Nov 20, 10:04 a.m.
Secondly the cop made a bad call. He jumped out the vehicle and allowed the vehicle to roll into a van. And than if the kid did have a gun and shot himself than the officer failed to search the child properly/ detain before taking him into custody. So yes the blame goes on the cop and his bad judgement call.Civil4Mind
November 20, 2013 9:48 a.m.
STILL doesn't mean the cop killed him. STILL means the fella had a gun and CHOSE to handle it/use it. Sadly, blame can only go on the one who had a finger on the trigger.
And who CARES what the crime was the kid was arrested for? If it was a crime, it was a crime. Period.
starshield Nov 20, 10:04 a.m.
678devilish or whatever your name is. It's obvious you are anti law enforcement. But leos search people all the time and miss stuff. If the weapon was hid in his underwear it may be missed. Why, because when sind folks get searched thoroughly and they have no weapons or drugs then they file complaints. This causes sind officers to do very minimal searches for fear of a complaint. Also the majority of people arrested don't have guns or drugs and since he was arrested for a trespassing warrant I dare say the officer probably didn't think the kid was packing. Was it a mistake on the officers part, yes. And this time the officer didn't get shot in the back like most of the scenarios end. Sad the kid killed himself though.
Genie v2.0 Nov 20, 9:59 a.m.
Yes, I get Trespassing is minor, but he was out in the wee hours of the morning, on a school night. Does that not ring of bad or NO parenting to you? And obviously somewhere he should not have been. Again, wee hours of morning, school night. Parents SHOULD have known where he was, IN BED
feistyredhead2001 Nov 20, 9:49 a.m.
I can not say I place an blame on either party at the moment, not enough proof or evidence of exactly what happened.. However from the police shooting at that woman in a mini van infront of her kids over a speeding tickets, to a cop shooting a man in the street after that man had a traffic accident to this.. it appears to me that the police now adays ALL OVER are just pulling the trigger when they see fit. I AM NOT saying either party is wrong in this case because there are more holes in this than swiss cheese.. but police have gotten to free with tazers and guns and it has become terrifing for those of us you are supposed to PROTECT AND SERVE!
notyou Nov 20, 9:49 a.m.
had the officer checked between the guy's rump cheeks everyone would be crying sexual assault.
also, maybe WRAL should add his mug shot from previous arrests to the photos. they never hesitate to do that for people who die not in police custody.
Civil4Mind Nov 20, 9:48 a.m.
please their are tons of teenagers who hang out with their friends skate boarding and ridding bikes. ITS NORMAL! And at that age they sneak out because the rebel its the "I'm almost an adult" phase. And if you tell me you haven't disobeyed your parents even remotely than you're lying. And more so unless you have children don't speak about parenting. And if you do trust and believe your kids aren't perfect. I worked in the school system and people who think like you Children are always the WORST!... Secondly the cop made a bad call. He jumped out the vehicle and allowed the vehicle to roll into a van. And than if the kid did have a gun and shot himself than the officer failed to search the child properly/ detain before taking him into custody. So yes the blame goes on the cop and his bad judgement call.
He was arrested for TRESPASS not something serious. This can be easily as taking a short cut through a yard home, skating in a restricted area, or a neighborhood.
knowitall7 Nov 20, 9:35 a.m.
Wow. Some of you are going to feel pretty bad when the investigation is done.
Some of you seem not to know HOW an investigation is done. It's like you want instant gratification where these matters are concerned. THAT'S HOW MISTAKES GET MADE. THAT'S HOW THE INNOCENT GET BLAMED. Calm your pants down and let the LEOs do their job.
Furthermore, if you don't trust them -- move somewhere else. Like the Arctic Circle. OR you could be thankful for those who work tirelessly and thanklessly for your general safety.
If that kid shot himself, HE did it. No one told him to. HE made a choice -- for whatever reason. If he had a gun on his person that the officer missed during his search, that was STILL the kid's choice.
jackaroe123 Nov 20, 9:33 a.m.
At least one other channel is reporting that young Mr. Huerta shot himself, but they cite a confidential source who has apparently not been vetted enough by WRAL, for one, to run with.
The article mentions there've been 3 deaths in some way related to DPD since July. It's right to mention it, and sometimes where there is smoke, there's fire, but we should not jump to conclusions about a connection or what it means about the entire city or police dept. Each incident deserves to investigated individually. If those results indicate a connection, THEN there should be an investigation into that (scrutiny of the police, reflection on community relations, or both), but the first step is to look at each incident individually.
sinenomine Nov 20, 9:31 a.m.
One poster said earlier they couldn't tell whether the charge against the young man was a felony or misdemeanor.
The article says he was charged with second degree trespassing. Second degree trespassing is a Class 3 misdemeanor (http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-159.13.html).
Under new guidelines (http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/?p=4368)a person charged with a Class 3 misdemeanor generally isn't even entitled to appointment of counsel if he has no more than three prior convictions because he is subject TO A FINE ONLY and not imprisonment. In other words the offense is exceedingly minor and frequently is the subject of "catch and release" action by police i.e. a citation only with no arrest, kind of like most people might get for a minor traffic violation.
crkeehn Nov 20, 9:28 a.m.
2nd degree tresspass is a minor misdemeanor charge.
Classified Nov 20, 9:28 a.m.
"family members should have been looking for answers from HIM as to why he felt the need to trespass"
So I guess the parents should just let it go because their son was, god forbid, a trespasser. Yeah OK.
Classified Nov 20, 9:27 a.m.
“I think that he wouldn't have ended up IN THE POLICE CAR had you been doing YOUR job.”
Question: Define naïve.
Answer: See above comment.
delta29alpha Nov 20, 9:24 a.m.
Lot's of possibilities based on limited information. My guess would be that the teen was not properly searched before putting him in the patrol car. The teen had a weapon concealed on him and retrieved it and either shot himself on purpose or shot himself accidentally while surreptitiously attempting to hide it (usually by stuffing it between the seat and seatback.)The teen may have realized that he would be searched more thoroughly when he got to booking. Most officers when getting their car at beginning of shift will remove the back seat to see what goodies may have been left there by the previous shifts detainees. Usually its either drugs or weapons of various types. It's rare but it does happen. If you didn't check at beginning of shift you will have difficulty charging an arrestee with something you find after you take him out of the car. This is just my guess, there could be much info that we don't have at this point.
leo-nc Nov 20, 9:22 a.m.
ncmedic I'm willing to bet you make mistakes that can be avoided too, unless you're perfect of course. Lets hope you never kill a patient. Lots of conspiracy theories and misinformation going on out here, but that's kind of par for the course.
Genie v2.0 Nov 20, 9:16 a.m.
Ok, really? blame the cop? How about the parents? Why was their kid out so late AND breaking the law, and he HAD a weapon, which is how he shot himself, so ummm where did he get that mom and dad? is this sad? Yes, of course, but before you go blaming the cop, MAYBE JUST MAYBE you should be asking the tough questions about yourself. I think that he wouldn't have ended up IN THE POLICE CAR had you been doing YOUR job. See, easy to pass that blame around.
edtomjr Nov 20, 8:45 a.m.
"maybe the family members should have been looking for answers from HIM as to why he felt the need to trespass and have a warrant out for his arrest in the first place...." -JAT
It didn't say whether it was a felony trespassing charge or a misdemeanor trespassing charge, and regardless of which it was, they're asking the right questions, the ones about why he died while in police custody. Don't be lame.
OleNCNative Nov 20, 8:38 a.m.
The biggest danger is that the cop could have been shot while driving. I've heard that the cop did frisk the kid, that he didn't have the gun with him when he got into the car, but that he found it. Rumors, but I'm very interested to see how this plays out.
ncdime1235 Nov 20, 8:36 a.m.
You people are a trip. He was being served a warrant for second degree trespassing, not murder. I'm beginning to wonder if the gun he was shot with was the officer's shotgun that is supposed to be secured in the trunk, hence the quote of "Based on the preliminary investigation, it does not appear that any Durham police officer fired a weapon during this incident." The cop is a rookie and needs more training.
lets_b_real79 Nov 20, 8:27 a.m.
My issue is this. No matter how hard their job is (police), they are trained to handle those situations. Making split decisions are part of the training and reacting in better ways than the normal citizen would act is part of training. Mental screenings are routinely part of the job. So yes I do feel this was a bad move on the part of the officer.
JAT Nov 20, 8:25 a.m.
maybe the family members should have been looking for answers from HIM as to why he felt the need to trespass and have a warrant out for his arrest in the first place....
eddybal Nov 20, 8:09 a.m.
This sounds like a major blunder. Could the police officer really have left the kid with a gun while driving to the station?
ForTheLoveOfGodGrowUp Nov 20, 8:04 a.m.
Why isn't anyone putting the blame on the 17yo for having a gun to begin with? Or blaming the one that gave a 17yo access to a firearm? Just wondering since everyone is playing the blame game... If he never possessed the gun, no harm no foul right?
Justic4All Nov 19, 7:44 p.m.
call a liberal reporter for help. - disgusted2010
Why call a lib reporter? They don't carry guns so at least they won't shoot you.
I'll stick to my personal protection plan since it is more readily available than a law officer is and I know where to aim and how to squeeze for optimum results.
OpenM1nd Nov 19, 7:37 p.m.
"Witnesses later said Ocampo was trying to hand the knife to an officer when he was shot four times."
Right. Maybe you were. But that's still like when they catch a guy stealing a car who says that he is only going to borrow it for a few days. What's more likely?
An officer has but a split second to determine if this were a threatening gesture and to react accordingly. Meanwhile this is written as though we are to empathize with the criminal and treat him as a victim.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03