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  • CarolinaTim Nov 15, 6:59 p.m.

    Junk mail,
    I tried being nice but have it your way.

    Obama lied to get elected, re elected and to pass the
    Holy Grail Obamacare. You defend the liar with
    your every breath and that makes you complicent
    with His lies.

    He has defrauded America and should resign immediately.

    Nixon was more honorable than Obama.
    The financial harm to our country has and will
    be long lasting and severe.

    We will only recover if people with a conscience and intelligence out number the recipient class that only want to vote for A party of lying "Santa Claus'"

  • timexliving Nov 15, 6:16 p.m.

    "Chances are he doesn't even know what it is...since he doesn't seem to know much of anything else. Benghazi what? Insurance huh? What website doesn't work?" educateyourself

    Excellent observation. Back in 2008 America was sold a lie. Hope and Change and Yes We Can is what America bought. I'm so disappointed in my country that my fellow Americans elected empty slogans and not a President.

  • timexliving Nov 15, 6:13 p.m.

    Our only hope is far the Tea Party to gain power and repeal this ObamaCare mess. Even then, by the time that happens, ObamaCare will have wrecked the economy. It will take at least 20 years to clean up all the damage Obama has wrought on this country.

  • McLovin Nov 15, 5:18 p.m.

    great, so just like the government shut down a month ago and most like will go through the same nonesense in Jan/Feb. Now you get to keep your insurance and in a year from now have it cancelled one more time...smart move cheif

  • bulletmom14 Nov 15, 4:19 p.m.

    So, I really do not see this happening...but, he has spoken and if it doesn't happen it will be due to someone else....typical of this administration....I'm not sure these insurance companies are going to resurrect these old plans regardless what he says....he shouldn't have said "you can keep your plan" since he had no clue what he was talking about....it was a no brainer that folks would be cancelled....

  • misschris234 Nov 15, 4:17 p.m.

    "No, I don't (though again- he said he wants UNIVERSAL coverage... which is NOT AT ALL the same as single payer)-Junk"

    NOT AT ALL the same? I'd say they are far more similar than not.

  • onlymy2cents Nov 15, 3:58 p.m.

    An actual SOURCED STUDY covering almost 150 hospitals though, which is what I ACTUALLY PROVIDED certainly DOES trump an anecdote of "I remember seeing stuff when I was a kid!"

    No it doesn't. The data does not discredit his experience. You missed the entire point..it was his experience.

    And 8 spots in a poll of this size is not significant. See you tried that same ole bs again. We are talking about the position of the country in the poll not the percentages. Swing and another miss there junkie.

  • ecu4me2 Nov 15, 3:54 p.m.

    And the best Sen.Hagan can do is ask for an investigation on the Webb site...Democrats have ruined health care for all but the poor and they were already getting free medical...why can't democrats do what's right and ditch the unafforadable health care acr

  • foodstamptrader Nov 15, 3:48 p.m.

    "President GW Bush set the record for receiving vitriol and hostility. President Obama has surpassed him." - jackaroe123

    Barack Hussein Obama is the most hated, divisive president in history...

  • cinnamon16 Nov 15, 3:37 p.m.

    educate yourself .....you are so correct

  • educateyourself Nov 15, 3:24 p.m.

    "How does a socialist leader own you? He controls national healthcare system (ACA) and controls the educational system (common core). Does that sound familiar to anyone who is a history buff?"
    OK..while I am NOT an Obama fan I do have to correct you. He is not responsible for the Common Core. Actually it was not created by any legislators in Washington and they have been working on it since before he came into office. Chances are he doesn't even know what it is...since he doesn't seem to know much of anything else. Benghazi what? Insurance huh? What website doesn't work?

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 3:21 p.m.

    What is really funny is 39 democrats just voted with the Republicans in the House to restore what Obama took away from everyone. Of course Reid will kill it in the Senate but Obama is losing his own Reps.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 3:19 p.m.

    Junkmail, I believe I stated I think, Well let's get down to facts, NY state Population 19.57 million, Pennsylvania 12.76 or between the two states 32.33 million population of Canada 34.8 million so the population of 2 states almost equals that of Canada, So the point is we spend more because we have a ton more people.

  • Setnitst8 Nov 15, 3:15 p.m.

    Jmail has to get tired of regurgitating all of the left's talking points. I'm not sure how you can defend or spin this embarresment. I bet he gets all his info from Ed Shultz or Chris Matthews.

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 3:15 p.m.

    Junkfail believes that the idea that Barry wants a single payer is just a conspiracy. - Steve

    No, I don't (though again- he said he wants UNIVERSAL coverage... which is NOT AT ALL the same as single payer)

    I said I believe the idea that "all the democrats" want that is a conspiracy theory though...and a bad one.

    You can tell, because when they HAD TOTAL CONTROL TO PASS IT... they DIDN'T.

    That's why it's a completely nonsensical theory.

    And I do wish you would stop calling everyone a liar. It's not helping you.
    CarolinaTim

    Well, it's not helping anyone else that they keep lying either.

  • jackaroe123 Nov 15, 3:14 p.m.

    "The left were rabid haters of Bush in ways that make Obamas treatment seem mild."

    President Obama was called a "failure" 100 days into his Presidency. His religion and his citizenship were questioned throughout his first term. Sen McConnell identified the GOP's #1 priority as making sure he was a one-term President. President Obama has had more appointees blocked than the 3 Presidents before him COMBINED.

    President GW Bush set the record for receiving vitriol and hostility. President Obama has surpassed him.

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 3:13 p.m.

    You were wrong about Barry care and continue to be.- get Your IDS

    How? SPECIFICALLY?

    In other words- please quote a SPECIFIC CLAIM I MADE about it... then provide a source showing it's incorrect.

    Can you?

    Now you sound like Pelosi. An 8 spot difference is not "significantly" different.
    onlymy2cents

    really? Because the actual data shows it's VERY significant.

    We spend more than 50% more for example.

    Or is over a trillion bucks not significant? Because that's how much LESS we'd spend if we "only" spent as much as Canada.

    We spend more Plenty Coups because there are a lot more folks in the US.- mikeyfan5600

    Apparently you don't understand what 'per capita' means either...

    We spend vastly more PER PERSON...not just total.

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 3:08 p.m.

    There isn't enough evidence around to change your . . . . mind- stumieundurham

    Especially when the total amount you have EVER given on any claim of yours is... zero.

    I wonder why.

    This takes the top prize for the dumbest repose to date. Are you serious? Some unspecified data you spout is suppose to trump an individuals actual experience? - Onlymy2cents

    No.

    An actual SOURCED STUDY covering almost 150 hospitals though, which is what I ACTUALLY PROVIDED certainly DOES trump an anecdote of "I remember seeing stuff when I was a kid!"

    It's insane you think it doesn't

    In fact I think the city of New York has more people than Canada.- Mikeyfan5600

    Why do you only ever believe untrue things?

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 3:05 p.m.

    I thought UHC as O means it, was a gubmt plan, not employer based?- CarolinaTim

    Then you thought wrong.

    Again.

    Universal means EVERYONE is covered. It does NOT require single payer.

    There's DOZENS of nations with universal coverage that are NOT single payer and are NOT government insurance.

    His plan was to offer exchanges that included a public OPTION to those who did not get their insurance ELSEWHERE.

    So that EVERYONE could get coverage, and the public option would be competetion for the private insurance to drive down pricing.

    Working toward that $2500 savings.

    But again- congress REJECTED the public option.

  • Steve Mchugelarge Nov 15, 3:03 p.m.

    That's why you study all the cases for a period of time before jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the data.

    Plenty Coups

    The point is though is Barry stepped in it big time and you need to accept that he lied and made things worse. You picked the wrong horse bud

  • Steve Mchugelarge Nov 15, 2:59 p.m.

    we agree that O did and does want UHC/SP.

    And I do wish you would stop calling everyone a liar. It's not helping you.

    CarolinaTim

    Huh? Junkfail believes that the idea that Barry wants a single payer is just a conspiracy. But with the monumental failure of the rollout and the bad taste left in everyones mouth SP is going to look more pleasing because lets face it, there is blood in the water now and the deadbeats are going to want their freebies no matter how terrible it will be

  • CarolinaTim Nov 15, 2:33 p.m.

    junkmail,
    Yesterday, WRAL would not post my comment to you about your insistence that O's promise to reduce premiums 2500/family/year was referring to UHC.

    After looking at your 3 sources, only the middle source had O suggest that he planned on UHC. The first was O saying that Kennedy hoped that O would pull it off and the last was McCain accusing O of wanting UHC.

    I know that O wants UHC but He knows that it will not pass congress. Also, UHC was never brought up for a vote. It was always ACA.

    http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/28/Video-19-Times-Obama-Promised-to-Lower-Annual-Insurance-Premiums-By-2500

    In this clip, O mentions working with employers to reduce insurance premiums/2500 7 times.

    I thought UHC as O means it, was a gubmt plan, not employer based??

    Single payer.

    So I don't agree that His promise was referring to UHC/SP however we agree that O did and does want UHC/SP.

    And I do wish you would stop calling everyone a liar. It's not helping you.

  • lazyrebel Nov 15, 2:29 p.m.

    SO the taxpayer has to foot the bill for dead beats that won't get a job or work to pay their own insurance. Sometimes in life you are just unlucky. No one said life was fair an that it was the job of the government to make it fair.

  • stymieindurham Nov 15, 2:28 p.m.

    Then you'd be able to prove him wrong, right? Please provide credible evidence.
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    To who, YOU?!!!! There isn't enough evidence around to change your . . . . mind nor would you change your opinion if Barry himself told you socialism and socialized medicine is a lie.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 2:23 p.m.

    Read what the doctor from Canada has to say, being bumped from surgery because your doctor had to perform an emergency surgery, 14 to 18 months for a major
    procedure such as a total joint replacement or cardiac valve replacement Then there was his wife's aunt who had this happen:
    He put her on the “wait list” and estimated that she would have her
    surgery in 8 months. Because of emergencies which kept adding delays to his “elective”
    schedule, she finally had her surgery 18 months later. By that time she was virtually a
    cardiac cripple and required a four-vessel bypass. Due to her severely deteriorated
    condition by the time she got to surgery, she did not survive. This from a Doctor who practices in both the US and Canada. Now tell me what system is better.

  • WralCensorsAreBias Nov 15, 2:18 p.m.

    Yep, going, going, gone. Is any story that slams the stupidity of those the liberal media prop up.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 2:17 p.m.

    Plenty Coups read the article I posted it was written by a Doctor who works in the US and Canada. Oh, wait, it goes against your socialist ways doesn't it. If it ain't free and if you'd have to pay for it your against it. We all know that.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 2:15 p.m.

    We spend more Plenty Coups because there are a lot more folks in the US. In fact I think the city of New York has more people than Canada. Try again.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 2:14 p.m.

    Didn't read the words from the Doctor, Your laughable.

  • onlymy2cents Nov 15, 2:11 p.m.

    "Your source mentions Canada ranks a lowly 30th according to the WHO.

    The US is -38th-

    That's significantly WORSE."

    Now you sound like Pelosi. An 8 spot difference is not "significantly" different.

  • onlymy2cents Nov 15, 2:06 p.m.

    what part of I grew up across the river from Sarnia did you not understand?- Get your IDs

    The fact that ACTUAL STUDIES OF ACTUAL DATA trump your "I saw some stuff when I was a kid" anecdotes.

    The plural of anecdote is NOT data.

    They didn't get their results by asking some child looking at a river for what he remembers.

    They asked the ACTUAL hospitals for DATA.

    And the ACTUAL DATA says you're wrong about your made-up conclusions of childhood memories.

    This takes the top prize for the dumbest repose to date. Are you serious? Some unspecified data you spout is suppose to trump an individuals actual experience?

    I guess if you like your data you can keep it.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 2:05 p.m.

    GetyourIds-"I rest my case. The guy goes in the waiting room with a camera and waits and waits and waits. But since its critical of your idea of total dependance on the governtment it has to be fake."

    What you don't understand or want to understand is that one or two individual examples out of millions without allowing for context or allowing for variables does not constitute a study. I've waited for hours in a Emergency room before but I'm not trying to claim that our system doesn't work because of that one experience. I know that I waited longer that night because the ER was very full and my case was relatively minor in comparison to the other cases that took up all the ER physicians time. That's why you study all the cases for a period of time before jumping to conclusions that aren't supported by the data.

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:56 p.m.

    So no, you didn't prove ANYTHING I said wrong at all.

    junkmail5

    You were wrong about Barry care and continue to be. Whether or not you want to accept it. When Jon Stewart even had to comment what a failure it has been you know things are bad. If you libs have lost Stewart you have lost the country. But hey if you like the propagnada you are being fed you can keep it. You have been wrong about this steaming polished pile of Barrys since day one.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:54 p.m.

    mikey-"come on Plenty Coups deny the WHO about how well the Canadian system really is. Ranked what was that? Oh that's right LAST IN THE WORLD IN HEALTHCARE. So I ask you, show me your facts and the WHO that says I'm wrong."

    I'm not sure I really understand what you're trying to say here. The World health Rankings put Canada well ahead of the United States.

    Canada ranks 30th, the USA ranks 37th.

    They also do it far cheaper. The USA spends the most by far.

    http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/11/13/US-healthcare-Most-expensive-longest-waits-most-red-tape/UPI-30501384398664/
    http://mercatus.org/publication/us-health-care-spending-more-twice-average-developed-countries
    http://www.emergogroup.com/resources/worldwide-health-expenditures

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:52 p.m.

    Aaah, anecdotal videos on you tube as proof. Give me a break. Seriously guys, its not that hard to figure out the difference between credible websites that document their sources and that use peer reviewed studies and actual data and then there are the anecdotal, opinion sites, partisan propaganda sites, chain email claims etc.

    Plenty Coups

    I rest my case. The guy goes in the waiting room with a camera and waits and waits and waits. But since its critical of your idea of total dependance on the governtment it has to be fake. You believed everything about Barrycare too and look where you are now. Youre still in denial! You were told it was bad, you haev seen all those bad thinsg come true you have watched it fail and you still dont believe it! You were wrong plain and simple.

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 1:47 p.m.

    come on Plenty Coups deny the WHO about how well the Canadian system really is. Ranked what was that? Oh that's right LAST IN THE WORLD IN HEALTHCARE.= Mikeyfan5600

    No, it's NOT.

    It's 30th.

    That's what YOUR SOURCE says.

    The US is -38th-

    That's worse.

    By 8 places.

    Stop lying. Especially when YOUR OWN SOURCE shows you're doing so.

    PC gave you links proving this.

    Why do you keep lying about it?

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:46 p.m.

    "Then you'd be able to prove him wrong, right? Please provide credible evidence" Plenty Coups

    mikey-"Just did!!!!"

    No, you really didn't. You provided a link to ONE American doctor's opinion who had no documented sources to back up his claims that were actually false. We actually rank behind Canada in all the areas that he claimed shows that Canada "for the price they pay, has the worst health care system in the world". So if we rank behind them, and we are also more expensive...by far...how does that support his argument? Where are his sources?

  • junkmail5 Nov 15, 1:46 p.m.

    what part of I grew up across the river from Sarnia did you not understand?- Get your IDs

    The fact that ACTUAL STUDIES OF ACTUAL DATA trump your "I saw some stuff when I was a kid" anecdotes.

    The plural of anecdote is NOT data.

    They didn't get their results by asking some child looking at a river for what he remembers.

    They asked the ACTUAL hospitals for DATA.

    And the ACTUAL DATA says you're wrong about your made-up conclusions of childhood memories.

    heck, I grew up in NY... and never saw anyone shot... therefore nobody EVER gets shot in NY... right?

    THAT is the logic you're trying to apply.

    And it's nonsense.

    Just did!!!!
    mikeyfan5600

    No, you didn't.

    First- your source didn't contradict ANYTHING I said. It discussed DIFFERENT things.

    Second
    Your source mentions Canada ranks a lowly 30th according to the WHO.

    The US is -38th-

    That's significantly WORSE.

    Your source left that out, but it's a fact.

    So no, you didn't prove ANYTHING I said wrong at all.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:42 p.m.

    Get your Ids-"There are some videos on youtube where it took a guy a staggering long time to see a doctor for a sore throat in Cananda"

    Aaah, anecdotal videos on you tube as proof. Give me a break. Seriously guys, its not that hard to figure out the difference between credible websites that document their sources and that use peer reviewed studies and actual data and then there are the anecdotal, opinion sites, partisan propaganda sites, chain email claims etc.

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 1:39 p.m.

    come on Plenty Coups deny the WHO about how well the Canadian system really is. Ranked what was that? Oh that's right LAST IN THE WORLD IN HEALTHCARE. So I ask you, show me your facts and the WHO that says I'm wrong.

    Mikeyfan5600

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:39 p.m.

    mikey-"According to no less a source than The World Health Organization, Canadians, for the price they pay, now have the worst health care system in the world! WHO ranks Canada’s health system as the third most expensive system in the world, and rates it 30th in efficiency and 18th in access to care."

    Thank you for one man's anecdotal opinion. How exactly does that support your position, especially considering that the United States has THE MOST EXPENSIVE system in the world, we rank not 17th but 46th for efficiency!, WHO ranks us an overall 37th, and the USA ranks BEHIND Canada and other industrialized countries when it comes to access.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and-worst/most-efficient-health-care-countries
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/23/us-usa-healthcare-last-idUSTRE65M0SU20100623

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2010/Jun/US-Ranks-Last-Among-Seven-Countries.aspx

  • Steve Mchugelarge Nov 15, 1:39 p.m.

    I gist Im getting from a lot you entitlement junkies on this one comparing Canada to the US is that you have this attitude that "something is better than nothing", well Barry just gave you something, well not really since a lot of you lost your plans, and it ended up being a big box of nothing! But you dont even care if it works you just want it. Would you buy a broken car or wash machine too?

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:34 p.m.

    Still waiting on proof to back up your claims that every link is a socialistic conspiracy site.

    Plenty Coups

    MSNBC.com what more do you need to know? I suppose FOX is a freedom conspiracy site to you.

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:29 p.m.

    They are further left than MSNBC is and we all know how far to the left that is. So stop with your non-sense Please.

    mikeyfan5600

    Like I always say, if it doesnt come from one of his echo chambers or BecauseIthinkImright.com he wont believe it

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:27 p.m.

    Then you'd be able to prove him wrong, right? Please provide credible evidence.

    Plenty Coups

    why do you still ask for sources? You dont belive anything unless it comes from liberalderp.com anyway. There are some videos on youtube where it took a guy a staggering long time to see a doctor for a sore throat in Cananda, but since those videos are critical and fly in the face of your precious but useless government run healthcare you will just call it propaganda

  • mikeyfan5600 Nov 15, 1:26 p.m.

    Then you'd be able to prove him wrong, right? Please provide credible evidence Plenty Coups

    Just did!!!!

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:25 p.m.

    mikey-"They are further left than MSNBC is and we all know how far to the left that is. So stop with your non-sense Please."

    Still waiting on proof to back up your claims that every link is a socialistic conspiracy site.

  • Get your IDs Nov 15, 1:25 p.m.

    They really don't.

    This is a huge myth

    junkfail

    what part of I grew up across the river from Sarnia did you not understand? I saw Canadians everyday come across the bridge for care, drugs, CPAP Machines etc... Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't make it untrue, but for some reason if someone prints that its untrue you buy it. But you bought all of Barrys nonsense about the ACA too. How did you get into a position in life where you think the government does a good job and you need them to do everything for you?

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:24 p.m.

    mikey-"Junkmail, I see you are still posting far left web sites. AARP has been shown to be a socialist leaning organization. Now Try some real facts."

    Aaah, rather than provide any actual evidence disputing the research, you just call them "socialists" based on nothing more than the fact that you don't like what they say. AARP used actual studies and various data that were published in peer reviewed journals. Apparently, they're all part of a "socialist conspiracy" that must include, "U.S. News and World Report" (data was provided by them), the Commonwealth Fund, the Canadian Institute for Health Information, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. So where is any shred of evidence to dispute their findings which in many cases have been replicated over and over again?

  • Plenty Coups Nov 15, 1:17 p.m.

    junkmail-"They really don't. This is a huge myth.
    http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html"

    Amazing that some people are willing to overlook actual evidence and data merely because it's their party platform. Just pretend that Canada and pretty much every other country doesn't like their own health care that they have decided to have. In fact the reverse is true about over the border health care. Far more Americans try to get treatment up north than Canadians coming here. They even had to go to a national healthcare ID to try and prevent some of it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/20/world/americans-filching-free-health-care-in-canada.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

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