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  • instant_karmen Aug 30, 2:07 p.m.

    We take our services to where the need is. The need is in Moore Square. If the need is elsewhere, we go there, as well. (E.g. we also share food with camps in Garner.)

    Not to mention, both the hungry/homeless and the organizations have as much of a right to utilize Moore Square as every other citizen. If poverty and/or class differences bother you (one) that much, I urge you to get involved and work to change it instead of asking people to go where you can't see them.

  • 678devilish Aug 30, 12:15 p.m.

    Its a shame when people do not want to help the homeless. You may find yourself in that position tomorrow. You never know. Tomorrow is never promise to you.

  • Eric the Actor Aug 30, 11:58 a.m.

    I'm not against distributing food in Moore Square, but why does EVERY charity have to use Moore Square? Human Beans, Love Wins, Rescue Mission, etc. Get creative, do something original.

  • instant_karmen Aug 30, 11:32 a.m.

    Last I checked, the empty field on Bloodsworth had no one in it. Nor did it have any benches, trees, or pathways for people to sit upon, sit under, or walk on. Moore Square, meanwhile, has all of those things and it is also a good, safe area to share food with your friends and family. I know this to be true, as I'm there doing so every Sunday, with my five-year-old in tow.

    For those who are hobophobic, please consider volunteering with one of the many organizations in our community whose goal it is to help the homeless, hopeless, and hungry. Human Beans Together, Love Wins Ministries, Brown Bag Ministry--those are just a few examples.

  • map1agmachining Aug 30, 10:15 a.m.

    2 blocks away on Bloodsworth there's a empty field. Would make a good safe area for the food to be handed out.

  • jcthai Aug 30, 8:49 a.m.

    What?? And let those commie law breakers get away with passing out free food to those leeches who are destroying our economy and our very way of life? No sir. That free food should be give to the rich to help them build this country. SMH....

  • lwe1967 Aug 29, 6:37 p.m.

    Since the homeless are homeless and in most cases don't have the means to purchase food, it is good that there are organizations are out there to help. We are becoming a nation of regulations and not always for the best.

  • instant_karmen Aug 29, 5:32 p.m.

    case involving the city of Orlando where a federal ruling struck down that City's ordinance as unconstitutional.

    The CoR ordinance is equally unconstitutional. RCC 9-2O22b -- Distribution of Food Prohibited. No individuals or group shall serve or distribute meals or food of any kind in or on any City park or greenway unless such distribution is pursuant to a permit issued by the Parks, Recreation and Greenway Director.

    The way it currently reads, you cannot have a picnic with your family in the park without a permit. So until and unless this ordinance is applied equally across the board (or, as I hope will happen, city council will simply eliminate it except as it applies to for-profit groups), I will continue sharing my food in my city park with whom I choose, the same as everyone else. And if you ever want to join us, please do! We'd love to have you!

  • instant_karmen Aug 29, 5:17 p.m.

    As the co-founder of a secular organization who has, since January 2012, been feeding the hungry and homeless in Moore Square on Sundays, I thank our council members for their reasoned and rational response to this recent problem.

    Because some of the media have gotten the story a little mixed up, let me set the record straight: Love Wins was one of many organizations who were only recently (i.e. within the past four weeks) threatened with arrest by RPD officers for doing what we have been doing for years--some of these organizations have been doing it for >15 years.

    My org, Human Beans Together, was threatened three weeks in a row and we scrambled to find alternate locations until this all came to a head this past Sunday (original footage on WRAL was of our group serving people).

    Whatever your stance on homelessness and poverty, it is unconstitutional to prevent someone from sharing her food with whomever she wishes in a city park. This has already been decided in at least one...

  • RHNCOK Aug 29, 4:46 p.m.

    "You are partially correct. It will not completely remove this group of people from the Moore Square area, but it will significantly reduced the number of people in the group. The free food attracts many homeless/low income people from other areas of the city to Moore Square each day."

    Not each day. Try to keep up and be correct yourself, oh righteous one. Love Wins only serves on the weekends. I highly doubt the homeless camp out 5 days to wait for a sausage biscuit and coffee.

    The bus terminal is right next to the park is an additional factor to people hanging around the area. Not all are homeless transients.

    The city is trying to clean it up, by using an inconsistent, poorly-thought out strategy involving the heavy hand of the law. Hopefully they will try to work out a compromise and find a place during the weekends.

    But my point is, the contingent they wish disappeared will still be there Mon-Fri. I suppose it's bad for weekend business and festivals, and their tax revenue.

  • smokeycurrin Aug 29, 4:42 p.m.

    Maybe they should open up a free food truck if the need to feed is that strong.

  • marvinrb1 Aug 29, 4:26 p.m.

    @Whatthehey. Permits aren't that easy to get and they cost $800 a day! This is aimed at big organizers not small groups.

  • pickles Aug 29, 4:22 p.m.

    However, running off Love Wins Ministries will not resolve the panhandlers, idlers, and shady, questionable people who congregate in the park during the week, when Love Wins is not handing out food.
    schmindrik

    You are partially correct. It will not completely remove this group of people from the Moore Square area, but it will significantly reduced the number of people in the group. The free food attracts many homeless/low income people from other areas of the city to Moore Square each day. If the generosity of these charities was spread to more locations in Raleigh, the Moore Square area will get a little relief.

    We know that downtown will always have homeless people - that is the reality of any city. But to have one area of the downtown that is flooded with homeless people is a problem.

  • RHNCOK Aug 29, 4:06 p.m.

    Moore Park is a seedy pocket close to the state Capitol, Fayetteville Street, across the street from Marbles, the kids' museum, near many thriving restaurants, office space, and government buildings. I was there today, noontime. Today there, as usual, many folk hanging around with plump plastic grocery bags. As a single white female, I did not feel safe in the area, and skirted around it. I have learned to listen to my instincts and avoid potentially dangerous situations.

    However, running off Love Wins Ministries will not resolve the panhandlers, idlers, and shady, questionable people who congregate in the park during the week, when Love Wins is not handing out food.

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 3:58 p.m.

    "Why not set up pit toilets and showers for them in the park as well?"
    Karmageddon

    I suggested an Olympic size swimming pool but someone balked at the idea.

  • Whatthehey Aug 29, 3:12 p.m.

    "When a large man with a gun tells me that I will not be permitted to do this and then tells me I will be arrested if I do this, I might think I'm breaking an ordinance," said Love Wins' director Rev. Hugh Hollowell."

    A little melodramatic aren't we? Really, you don't have 5 minutes to get a permit? Maybe other people want to use the park without seeing rotten food, rodents, and trash all over - no one is trying to stop anyone from feeding the needy.

  • Karmageddon Aug 29, 3:06 p.m.

    Why not set up pit toilets and showers for them in the park as well?

  • Titus Pullo Aug 29, 3:05 p.m.

    Why pass ordinances like the one in question when the first time somebody whines about enforcement the politicians crumble like a wet Klenex?

  • TTDD Aug 29, 3:04 p.m.

    Put them all on Medicaid. Let see how much more the economy can get screwed up.

  • LocalYokel Aug 29, 2:58 p.m.

    What a disgrace of a police department we have in Raleigh. There are some good officers but overall the RPD is ineffective at its job and a waste of resources.

  • Mo Blues Aug 29, 2:47 p.m.

    Your life is the sum of all the little decisions you make.

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 2:43 p.m.

    "SOMEBODY gave that instruction to threaten arrest. Who was that? They have no business hiding in the shadows... work it out."

    It was the mayor who made that call.

  • Mon Account Aug 29, 2:38 p.m.

    Seems like Raleigh's government knows how to have a heart and compassion. Hey legislature... listening?

  • denisdh Aug 29, 1:55 p.m.

    What the heck has happened to Raleigh. Raleigh use to work through these concerns in a civil manner. SOMEBODY gave that instruction to threaten arrest. Who was that? They have no business hiding in the shadows... work it out. Equations must balance.

  • Red Green Aug 29, 1:50 p.m.

    "Perhaps the cop is tired of stepping on discarded chicken bones down there as well." Obamacare for everyone

    Perhaps they could give him a broom and he could multi-task like the rest of us.

  • joeBob Aug 29, 1:47 p.m.

    While I think it was totally stoopid for the RPD to threaten arrests and tickets on the folks feeding the "homeless", and I agree with the City's decision to allow the "feeding" w/o a permit, feeding the "homeless" does nothing to help them find a home. How and why does a man come all the way from Knightdale to get a free meal in Raleigh and this same man by his own admission is not homeless?

  • GOPtakersSociety Aug 29, 1:35 p.m.

    "ever heard of the word NO!" 99percenters

    I didn't feel like getting stabbed. What does a homeless person have to lose?

    Obamacare for everyone

    come on now...... stabbed.....tell me your not that paranoid, maybe you should not frequent there..... you'll scare the homeless.

  • HockeyPlayerX Aug 29, 1:32 p.m.

    "FYI, Homeless people do not choose to be in the position they are in..." ... perhaps not, but in almost all cases, the choices they made prior to ending up in that position did. Do you think that they were just minding their own business and then suddenly one day some 'evil, greedy' Republican came and just kicked them out of their house and stole all of their money at gun point? Don't be ridiculous.

  • pickles Aug 29, 1:23 p.m.

    Trash is Moore Square is a real issue. Stop denying it.

    Check out this article from April 2012.

    http://www.wncn.com/story/20947181/city-of-raleigh-struggles-to-keep-moore-square-clean

  • chargernut69 Aug 29, 1:13 p.m.

    It's so sad that the city of Raleigh, and local businesses, is so concerned about it's image rather than helping the homeless people. Why don't they divert all the time spent on this issue of permits into fixing the problem. FYI, Homeless people do not choose to be in the position they are in....

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 1:05 p.m.

    Perhaps the cop is tired of stepping on discarded chicken bones down there as well.

  • billknighton Aug 29, 12:57 p.m.

    Let see the cop who threatened these people with arrest be fired and then prosecuted. Since the chief said that there was never any Idea of arresting anyone. The cop was making this up himself. He doesn't have that authority. Arrest him and prosecute him.

  • Red Green Aug 29, 12:55 p.m.

    “How about creating a "Homeless Park" where they can live and people come feed them.” me2you

    Good idea! Give us your address and we’ll set it up in your back yard.

  • OpinionatedMama Aug 29, 12:22 p.m.

    Those who hand out the food may go around and pick up before they leave ... but AFTER YOU LEAVE the homeless still trash the wrappers, cups, extra food they don't eat (YES! They aren't THAT hungry!) on the ground.

  • BubbaDukeforPresident Aug 29, 12:05 p.m.

    See this for what it was. The city thought they could scrape up extra income by charging permit fees to people who have a heart. It was taxation that drove this ridiculous issue to start with.

  • Vote for Pedro Aug 29, 11:18 a.m.

    "the food service area is not the problem. It is what happens with the food, containers, and plastic silverware after someone walks away from your area"

    We also go around and pick up as well.

    This all comes down to "you care only about yourself and your needs" or you care about others
    gkgreene

    Thank you for what you and your co-volunteers do. Practicing what Jesus taught.

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 11:11 a.m.

    How about not letting any of them leave the food service area until they have finished their meal?

    This would prevent them from trashing the rest of the city and prevent people who aren't really homeless from coming to pick up free food to take home.

  • mac5535 Aug 29, 11:03 a.m.

    The City is trying to remedy one problem which in turn is going to cause other problems. Just sit back and watch.

  • gkgreene Aug 29, 10:54 a.m.

    "the food service area is not the problem. It is what happens with the food, containers, and plastic silverware after someone walks away from your area"

    We also go around and pick up as well.

    This all comes down to "you care only about yourself and your needs" or you care about others

  • gkgreene Aug 29, 10:51 a.m.

    Ran out of room below-
    to find work, most employers want you to have an address and personal transportation which neither have.

    I mentioned below that some have enough for rent but need help with food. To avoid providing healthcare, employers are paying minimum wage while keeping workers below 40 hours.

  • Eric the Actor Aug 29, 10:43 a.m.

    "We take trash bags to clean up with after serving and place the bags next to trash containers that are typically already full. I have yet to encounter people begging or bothering others nor evidence of people desecrating on the property"

    the food service area is not the problem. It is what happens with the food, containers, and plastic silverware after someone walks away from your area.

  • pappybigtuna1 Aug 29, 10:41 a.m.

    Let's see if I got this right, the local government wants to be involved in distributing food - "Yes FOOD" to hungry people?

    And naturally, the government brings with it the bureaucracy. So, as in the past repeats itself, the food, "Yes FOOD" will cost to much to give away.

    We will be better served by allowing the hungry to go without food, "Yes FOOD". Because some weak minded person feels it is not correct to Give food, "Yes FOOD" to the hungry

    Did I mention Free FOOD to the Hungry?

  • me2you Aug 29, 10:31 a.m.

    How about creating a "Homeless Park" where they can live and people come feed them.

  • gkgreene Aug 29, 10:29 a.m.

    Before making comments, I invite you to go to Moore Square and volunteer with one of the groups. I have been able to do this for some time and note the following.

    We take trash bags to clean up with after serving and place the bags next to trash containers that are typically already full. I have yet to encounter people begging or bothering others nor evidence of people desecrating on the property

    In lieu of serving food at the table, I typically go out and talk to various people - some are attempting to overcome addiction, some have encountered economic disasters (one time while serving a friend with us noted a former neighbor from a nice Wakefield neighborhood in line), some have some mental issues, some are former military trying to re-adjust, some have relocated to Raleigh in hopes of finding work and some simply have enough income to pay for rent but not enough to cover all their food costs.

    To find work, most employe

  • TruthBKnown Banned Again03 Aug 29, 10:27 a.m.

    Glad to see they got this right.

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 10:27 a.m.

    "ever heard of the word NO!"
    99percenters

    I didn't feel like getting stabbed. What does a homeless person have to lose?

  • Obamacare for everyone Aug 29, 10:23 a.m.

    If you feed them they will come.

  • Red Green Aug 29, 10:16 a.m.

    “Bleeding hard liberals don't seem to see that the rest of society has a right to clean and intimidating public parks.” Ohmygosh

    Why would society want “intimidating public parks”?

    BTW, it’s bleeding “heart” liberals. I guess Rush needs to enunciate better huh.

  • Bartmeister Aug 29, 10:01 a.m.

    Ask yourself that very question one day when you are homeless and hungry!! Don't think it can't happen to you..... jaydosse

    ==================================================

    I fully understand it can happen to anyone. But you made my point for me. Some let it happen, others try and better themselves. It's the bleeding heart liberal point of view to think that some have it soooo hard that they can never do enough to overcome so give them a handout over and over and over and .........well you see where this is going. Giving someone a jumpstart or hand is one thing, continued entitlements are detrimental in the long run, reference unemployment and food stamp programs. Some of these homeless choose this lifestyle. Why do you think the economic growth has left downtown and there is always the perpetual revitalization of downtown project being mentioned?

  • boatrokr Aug 29, 9:59 a.m.

    ohmygosh - it's spelled bleeding HEART. You would know this if you had one.

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