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IPayYouPay Aug 23, 10:03 a.m.
Our Republican governor has not been transparent either with those 2 BIG RAISES HE JUST GAVE OUT.
Oh, wait, I get it. If he wants it, he does it, no questions asked and no "transparency" there. But if someone else wants it, they don't get it because he didn't want it.
I will be VOTING FOR the refendums for education come time to vote. He wont' be able to say I don't care about education. He couldn't care less.
downtowner Aug 22, 3:39 p.m.
Tell NoTimeForStupidity my neighbor is voting YES. We're ahead again and I won't hold it against you, you can use the paved roads and schools too.
NoTimeForStupidity Aug 22, 2:25 p.m.
"If you're against the bonds, leave the county. Wake county needs new schools."
No thanks. I'll stay and vote no. Tell downtowner my neighbor is voting no. We're even again.
You should try visiting all the year round schools that have empty seats and count those seats. Then count the empty trailers we paid for. Once you have some facts to work with come back and tell us something else you don't know.
ConservativeVoter Aug 22, 2:23 p.m.
They need to a superintendent of school that is a business person. We don't need a educator who's more interested in protecting the status quo instead of making the needed changes to fix our failing schools.
ConservativeVoter Aug 22, 2:21 p.m.
The first need to make all schools mandatory year round. That will add about 20 to 30% capacity to schools that aren't already year round.
Currently our non myr sit idle and unused 3 months a year.
rand321 Aug 22, 1:43 p.m.
The General Assembly should have passed a STATEWIDE law exempting public school construction from sales and use taxes. Did the GOP leg legislation do that to lower school construction costs? NO
But the Wake GOP is on to something. New homes should be taxed with impact fees to build new schools and public facilities. All schools should be mandatory year round schools to reduce the numbers needed.
The way the Wake GOP sees it, we should raise taxes every year to pay for what new schools and costs are needed, but they are calling the need for higher taxes for those who live and own property in Wake County.
GOP alternative for school construction = higher taxes!
downtowner Aug 22, 1:43 p.m.
"You vote yes, I'll vote no and we'll leave it up to the next guy." -angry dude
I'm the next guy. Voting YES!
amw1174 Aug 22, 1:34 p.m.
let's think about this. If you're against the bonds, leave the county. Wake county needs new schools. Please visit any school in NW Raleigh if you are curious about how crowded they are. The Wake GOP should not be weighing in on this; it simply is not a political issue. You don't like the taxes? Move. Those of us who support Wake county schools KNOW this is a NEED, not a want. The GOP has no right to decide which children deserve an education and which do not.
babedan Aug 22, 1:09 p.m.
radioted - sure this is a liberal slant on science. They will do anything they can to destroy the creator of the universe. Not only that but you ever heard of "Global Warming" That has been refuted by numerous scientist but the liberal media and press keep pushing it. Why? MONEY, The more Science can say this is going to harm you or that will be the end of society if you don't fix it the more money they bring in. All the talk about the O-Zone being depleted in the 70's gave way to the truth that lightening replenishes it each and every time it flashes.
babedan Aug 22, 1:06 p.m.
miseem, as one who is qualified to handle multi-million dollar construction contract and administrate them flawlessley, I can tell you when the board directs you to use a certain company, at a certain location and that company knows how much you have to spend so they can get every dime, then the company knows the drawings and specifications are mess up so there will have to be more money for modifications, then the board has a tremendous amount of say so in the final product. Micro-management isn't necessary to mis-manage a project, or to help a friend.
xylem01 Aug 22, 1:00 p.m.
OK. So how we gonna build 'em? Huh? How?
miseem Aug 22, 11:15 a.m.
You mean actual business people? With contract and negotiation skills? People who've been to BUSINESS school instead of getting a PhD in History or Psychology?beaupeep.
Do you really think that the Wake County school system does not have staff experienced in contracts, real estate and construction? Or do you really think they are pulling teachers out of elementary school to do this. In any case, it's generally the professional staff that does the initial evaluation, assessments, purchasing negotiations, bids and other requirements to build a school or a county building. Not the school board or county commissioners. The fact that someone was a "business person" does not mean they are qualified to handle a multi million dollar construction project. Boards have final say-so and can require adjustments to the process, but they are not able, or expected to micromanage projects on that scale.
Radioactive Ted Aug 22, 10:50 a.m.
"Nobody said "NO" history or science, but the skewed liberal version is not accurate either." beaupeep
There is no 'liberal version' of science. There are, though, ignorant versions of pseudo-science. I know which one I would like my kids to learn.
beaupeep Aug 21, 7:49 p.m.
"That's why school construction responsibilities should have been handed over to the Wake County commissioners."
You mean actual business people? With contract and negotiation skills? People who've been to BUSINESS school instead of getting a PhD in History or Psychology? What kind of crazy talk is that? You should have a former elementary school teacher negotiating those multimillion dollar contracts. After all, they know what's best for education....
beaupeep Aug 21, 7:45 p.m.
":-) OK, beaupeep. Well at least you're honest! Science first disproved the god concept with "De Rerum Natura" by Lucretius in 50 BC. But it's your kids. If you want to send them to a school with no history and science, and more religion - go for it." ILDR
Therefore, the liberals decree, "Creationism" must not be mentioned.
Along with Christmas parties. You can't have those.
Nobody said "NO" history or science, but the skewed liberal version is not accurate either.
beaupeep Aug 21, 7:31 p.m.
"Just DON'T ASK FOR PUBLIC MONEY for private school vouchers, ya hear? Because in history class, they teach us about the constitution!"
You mean like those vouchers that will be available in NC next year? Like the ones available in several States and D.C. already? THOSE vouchers?
timexliving Aug 21, 7:14 p.m.
""It is not the buildings we need as much as more oversight of land purchases, better and less expensive school construction and better use of existing facilities,"
That's why school construction responsibilities should have been handed over to the Wake County commissioners.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Aug 21, 7:06 p.m.
"the kids might not get their proper liberal indoctrination. They might actually think for themselves. That'd be a problem for the Dems." - beaupeep
"Great, another genius who thinks the solution to making sure all of our children have access to quality public education is to chatter about...how liberals are "indoctrinating our children". Which part of their curriculum would you be referring to...grammar, writing, science, history, mathematics? Do tell." - ILDR
"Primarily History and Science." - beaupeep
:-) OK, beaupeep. Well at least you're honest! Science first disproved the god concept with "De Rerum Natura" by Lucretius in 50 BC. But it's your kids. If you want to send them to a school with no history and science, and more religion - go for it.
Just DON'T ASK FOR PUBLIC MONEY for private school vouchers, ya hear? Because in history class, they teach us about the constitution!
beaupeep Aug 21, 6:25 p.m.
I had a kid in private school for a while. Noone was turned away from any meeting. Why weren't you there? Afraid of a prayer?
NC_interest Aug 21, 5:28 p.m.
"Saying it doesn't make it so, but keep repeating it till you believe it.
If they are going to take my Public funds, then they will have to obey the public rules. I look forward to getting these private schools to open their doors for public meetings and activities.
arfamr1008 Aug 21, 5:16 p.m.
Obama spent less than $80B of his $800B stimuless package on infrastructure. The rest went to wal street to pay back his campaign supporters. I dont recall wral running a story on that
beaupeep Aug 21, 5:05 p.m.
"Which part of their curriculum would you be referring to...grammar, writing, science, history, mathematics? Do tell."
Primarily History and Science.
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:59 p.m.
"...quality public education ..."
DoingMyBest Aug 21, 4:59 p.m.
"Just to be helpful: the subject here today is "GOP opposes school and transportation bonds". Anything constructive to offer us?"
Anything non-condescending to offer?
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:59 p.m.
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: public money for private schools (especially religious private schools) is against my constitutional rights."
Saying it doesn't make it so, but keep repeating it till you believe it.
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:57 p.m.
"And I'm just going to ignore that absurd remark that half of the bond money should go to private school vouchers."
good, because nobody made any such statement. RIF
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:56 p.m.
"Cute touch with the "associate press" prefix to try to assign validity to your rhetoric."
Well, unlike some, I try to quote actual sources.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Aug 21, 4:35 p.m.
"Problem is, the kids might not get their proper liberal indoctrination. They might actually think for themselves. That'd be a problem for the Dems. I understand their reluctance." - beaupeep
Great, another genius who thinks the solution to making sure all of our children have access to quality public education is to chatter about "liberals vs conservatives" and how liberals are "indoctrinating our children". Which part of their curriculum would you be referring to...grammar, writing, science, history, mathematics? Do tell.
And I'm just going to ignore that absurd remark that half of the bond money should go to private school vouchers.
NoTimeForStupidity Aug 21, 4:26 p.m.
"We can either go about it with the most efficient way to do it, ie the bond. Or we can do it the hard way and raise everyone's personal property tax. You pick."
We will and we pick NO!
I'm not so sure the schools will be built anytime soon. When bonds fail other measures are taken to assure capacity until the fraction in support can be mended. We have plenty of capacity and in this case the latest fraction won't be mended until the current board is removed.
As voters we can say go right ahead and do it the most expensive way, without our approval, and see how many of you that elect to do so get elected the next time you are up.
I can guarantee you any leaders voting to raise taxes after the voters say no won't be around the next time there is a bond to discuss or vote for.
They'll be fired at the ballot box in an overwhelming defeat.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Aug 21, 4:24 p.m.
"By Associated Press RALEIGH, N.C. - A nonprofit group that wants North Carolina to let corporations channel their taxes into private school scholarships says the schools cost less than people think. Parents for Educational Freedom in North Carolina says..." - beaupeep
Cute touch with the "associate press" prefix to try to assign validity to your rhetoric. "Parents for Educational Freedom in NC" is a pro-voucher lobbying group, that spent $16,000 on May 21st to bus in 1,000 students from Christian private schools. Republican Skip Stam was on hand to officially launch Bill 1104, the "public money for private schools" plan.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: public money for private schools (especially religious private schools) is against my constitutional rights.
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:12 p.m.
how cute. just like the medicaid money, watts1000 thinks this bond money is free.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Aug 21, 4:03 p.m.
"It's a good thing that corporate shareholders do not prescribe to and operate according to the Liberal worldview. If they did companies with the worst performance would be the most heavily invested in & they would all be broke." - djhartm
Oh look at the time. It's 3:00, time for a brand new shift of "good vs evil, us vs them, liberal vs conservative" geniuses to come on duty.
Just to be helpful: the subject here today is "GOP opposes school and transportation bonds". Anything constructive to offer us?
NoTimeForStupidity Aug 21, 4:02 p.m.
"Firstly, Charlotte tried year round schools quite some time ago. It didn't work for them, and they scrapped it."
No Hill-n-Holla, no joke. We're not worried about Charlotte, this is the great Wake County, remember?
If year round is good enough for half of our schools why not all? After all, the only reason they are year round now is because one of the county's worst school boards ever, until this current board, told us it was the only way. They changed many schools to year round against the public's will, after they told us they would not if we voted yes. They lied to us again and said it would save us money. Well guess what? When you don't fill up those schools it saves you nothing and actually costs more.
Now this current board, our worst school board ever, tells us we don't have enough seats, yet the truth is many of the year round schools have plenty of seats available.
Want more of my money school board?
Fill up the seats you continue to ignore first.
Until then I vote NO.
beaupeep Aug 21, 4:01 p.m.
I assume you had a point, save it?
My point was, why give more bond money to an inefficient system with little or no fiscal responsibility? Put HALF that money to a voucher and ge better results. Seems like a win-win to me. No new buildings required, the leftover 4 grand could go to salaries/school buildings/etc.
Problem is, the kids might not get their proper liberal indocrination. They might actually think for themselves. That'd be a problem for the Dems. I understand their reluctance.
Wlfpacker Aug 21, 4:00 p.m.
archmaker- "design costs roughly 6-8% of construction costs. you would have to build about 16 schools before this would actually be true." This is not what I was told by a person in JoCo who would know. So are you an architect designing schools? Just wondering where your info comes from.
BTW, someone asked about bells and whistles. Have you heard about these new electronic blackboards? I would think these cost a pretty penny, but why are they necessary? I think that money would be better spent elsewhere and we should go back to either chalkboards or whiteboards. I bet private and charter schools don't have these electronic boards and they get better scores.
twatts1000 Aug 21, 3:55 p.m.
The schools WILL be built. We can either go about it with the most efficient way to do it, ie the bond. Or we can do it the hard way and raise everyone's personal property tax. You pick.
teammugs Aug 21, 3:48 p.m.
Where is it that the budget is balanced...and 'fiscal responsibility' shown?...maybe it balances with the raises for the cronies and the appointments by the new regime...buddy system intact...meet the new boss...just because you claim you are 'fiscally responsible' doesn't mean you are...
Save It Aug 21, 3:45 p.m.
"Wrong. Average private school tuition is CONSIDERABLY less than the average cost-per-student for public schools".
That's odd. I make six figures and the total amount I pay in total state income tax would not send my kids to any private school in the area for one semester. Guess what - ALL tax payers must contribute to the education of society, event those without kids. It's called stability. My kids go to a charter and it's a balance.
Save It Aug 21, 3:42 p.m.
Republicans don't understand the necessity or benefits of sound infrastructure. That much is clear.
Take two tax cuts and call me in the morning. They cure everything.
beaupeep Aug 21, 3:39 p.m.
NC nonprofit: private school tuition affordable
Posted: Feb 11, 2013 4:44 AM EST Updated: Mar 25, 2013 4:44 AM EDT
By Associated Press
RALEIGH, N.C. -
A nonprofit group that wants North Carolina to let corporations channel their taxes into private school scholarships says the schools cost less than people think.
Parents for Educational Freedom in North Carolina says Monday it asked more than 640 private elementary and high schools statewide how much they charged and got responses from nearly 90 percent. The group says the average yearly tuition is $6,200. The average tuition drops to $5,400 by excluding the 10 percent that are expensive college-prep and special needs schools.
The group last year lobbied for a law to allow corporations to divert their state taxes to nonprofits that would then distribute scholarships of up to $4,000 per student for private school tuition. Taxpayers spent an average of $8,400 for each public school student last year.
djhartm Aug 21, 3:32 p.m.
Vote 'yes', 'for the children'.
djhartm Aug 21, 3:30 p.m.
@Hills-n-Hollers "Secondly, if I'm paying full taxes for my kid to be in a school building, I don't want them trudging back and forth (in all kinds of weather) between trailers, which by the way are less safe than a regular school building and go up in flames quite quickly."
The ignorance of the Liberal mindset at work. Rather than go to the source of the 'issue', which is blatant fiscal irresponsibility, mismanagement, and poor-planning/prioritization, we'll solve the problem by throwing yet more money at it.
Get your IDs Aug 21, 3:23 p.m.
What happened to the magic money tree you dems had for 100 years to pay for all your dreams? Tell the GOP where it is so they can waste that money just as good as you did
djhartm Aug 21, 3:23 p.m.
@ILoveDowntownRaleigh "My taxes are used for many things I don't approve of. But education is not one of them."
Apparently you also don't approve of fiscal responsibility, accountability and managed, well-balanced budgets.
beaupeep Aug 21, 3:22 p.m.
"If Republicans get their way, all education will be private. And "private" will mean ultra-expensive, available only to the ultra-wealthy and those who are willing to conform to religious doctrine, and "private" means free to ignore the constitution we have worked so long and hard to uphold. Voting yes." - ILoveDowntownRaleigh
Wrong. Average private school tuition is CONSIDERABLY less than the average cost-per-student for public schools.
ILoveDowntownRaleigh Aug 21, 3:21 p.m.
"If you were to take an honest look at your party (whether it the Democratic, the Socialist, or whatever), you would notice how close-minded and ignorant many of them are, never mind that too many of them work in academia and try to poison our kids' minds...So please knock off the propaganda, Comrade - it doesn't work around here." - sendusmessage
:-) Now there's a positive sentiment: public schools are trying to poison our kids' minds". :-) No extremism there!
Get your IDs Aug 21, 3:21 p.m.
Sad but typical that Republicans duck personal responsibility
meanwhile you makes excuse after excuse for people who dont have IDs. Never underestimate the power of learned helplessness
jdupree Aug 21, 3:20 p.m.
They will tell you Bonds don't raise your taxes, but the interest and principal have to be paid and they are paid with tax dollars. Wanna vote yourself a tax increase? If you don't have the money, don't spend the money!
Get your IDs Aug 21, 3:20 p.m.
stop busing kids all over the county". Which is it?
stop bussing all over! You know what kind of carbon footprint that leaves? Why are we killing the planet all in the name of diversity?
Get your IDs Aug 21, 3:18 p.m.
I am for having educated kids that can get good paying jobs instead of being on wellfare.
How do you propose to do that when a lot of these "at risk" kids see being on welfare as the only way to go. It beats working hard.
BTW, what numerous votes are you talking about? Do you believe in Santa, too?
Unlike santa voter fraud exists, why you choose to ignore it, because it isnt a "big problem" I dont know, but you scream all day long about other little problems that need to be fixed immediately. I dont understand the opposition to voter ID, all your arguments against it are easily fixed but you always want to stop short at helping those folks with one more freebie.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03