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  • wasone Jul 26, 2013

    All the hog farmers smell is the money!

  • wasone Jul 26, 2013

    ZEN0NX6, Has your head been in the sand, a company in china just bought Smithfield foods.

  • ripetomatoes Jul 26, 2013

    Never had a complaint about my lagoon.

    Never.

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    easy fix. who was there first? they win.-FromClayton

    Not so easy, who has the weight of industrial agribusiness lobbies and lawyers behind them? Not the homeowner.

  • baldchip Jul 26, 2013

    It seems to me that the brain trusts at State and ECU could figure something out to reduce the impact of these lagoons.
    I'm not supporting or denying, but my thought is that something could and should be done. The burning for electricity sounds expensive but very positive.

    We are one hurricane away this year(with the excessive rain) from an environmental disaster on the order of Floyd in 1999.
    Streams & rivers are full-some over full. 1999 all over again. There is no where for excess water to go but up!!

    Like every one else, I love my bacon. It's expensive now-and seldom eaten in my home. Pork chops are a great alternative to steak and are wonderful grilled outside with corn and a salad!
    Much of the fat runs into the fire that way.

    Farmers are citizens as well. They want peace and tranquility in their communities. 99+% are within the law. Remember, they smell this stuff too.

    Universities, let's find a way!

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    Also, to the commentators who are preaching about how we should get rid of corporate industries and switch to organic food... good luck keeping those prices down!-sarahndipity

    Yeah it'd be a real shame if those fast food dollar menus went away.

  • FromClayton Jul 26, 2013

    easy fix. who was there first? they win.

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    Wonder why that wine tastes so good?-ripetomatoes

    That horribly sweet muscadine juice they try to pass off as wine?

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    The are highly educated. tell me do you know how many quarts of a fertilizer mixes with x amount of gallons of water to cover x amount of acres. Do you know the difference between 10-10-10 mix, potash, nitrogen, sulfate, etc. Can you perform these calculations to properly maintain acres of crop land and each night when you lay down pray that your crops grow. Do you, can you. --What Challenge

    I didn't know rudimentary algebra counted for highly educated these days, then again with all the education cuts it may just be the new standard. There are plenty of other examples though, such as being able to identify animal/plant disease and pest identification, plus having to be highly versatile from crop/animal knowledge to repairing heavy equipment.

  • sarahndipity Jul 26, 2013

    I hope everyone realizes how important the pork industry is to North Carolina. In 2006, the pork industry contributed $6.96 billion in sales, had $2.11 billion in value added (income), and provided 46,241 full time jobs. And it has only grown since then.

    NC also consistently ranks as the number one pork producer in the nation.

    It's as much a part of our state as the tech companies in the cities. The smell is awful, yes (and I've done research on a hog farm so I do know), but sometimes you have to weigh the advantages v. the disadvantages.

    Also, to the commentators who are preaching about how we should get rid of corporate industries and switch to organic food... good luck keeping those prices down!

  • pat7 Jul 26, 2013

    turn the waste into fuel to run farm equipment and cars , truck it can be done

  • zenonx6 Jul 26, 2013

    Hey,,, had you rather your pork came from China?????????

  • zenonx6 Jul 26, 2013

    People ave lost touch with our rural roots too much already. Let them smell a little hog waller every now and then,, It'll be good for their character ,, which none of the transplants seem to have. Give me back my rural state and manufacturing.

  • zile1porkey Jul 26, 2013

    Sue sue sue what did people do 40 years ago with turkey, chicken and hogs smells. Why move in the country if you don't like farm animals. It's just a way to get money leave the farmers alone please people please!

  • stonky Jul 26, 2013

    If the farm was there first, you have no right to complain

  • What Challenge Jul 26, 2013

    Jaydosee..
    Wrong!!! It is the educated, high tech workers that are keeping NC afloat.....while hog farmers float their waste products and tobacco farmers continue to export their cancerous tobacco crops that cause disease and kill millions worldwide!!!

    I would like to commend you on your theory, however you sir / madam are wrong. Famers are a lot smarter than a lot of people give credit. The are highly educated. tell me do you know how many quarts of a fertilizer mixes with x amount of gallons of water to cover x amount of acres. Do you know the difference between 10-10-10 mix, potash, nitrogen, sulfate, etc. Can you perform these calculations to properly maintain acres of crop land and each night when you lay down pray that your crops grow. Do you, can you. You wouldn't last a day in the real world where real work happens well before 9am and way after 5 pm.

  • ripetomatoes Jul 26, 2013

    Duplin county...

    Land of swine and wine.

    Wonder why that wine tastes so good?

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    Contracted to industrial agribusiness is not what I'd consider family farming.

  • lisa2195 Jul 26, 2013

    Everyone has a right to their own opinion. So, everyone should just agree to disagree and call it a day! Family farms are what keeps america running! No matter what is grown. Just as any career, you have to love and be passionate about what you do and I am!

  • ligonmaterial23 Jul 26, 2013

    Simple , who ever lived there before the farms came have the right to fuss , those who moved in after can go fly a kite . They are great land marks for I-40 '' Where you at ? '' Passing the 3rd stinking spot now . lol

  • ILoveDowntownRaleigh Jul 26, 2013

    This is a classic example of situations where government, regulation, and enforcement is necessary.

    The sad fact of life is: there are people in this world who will do ANYTHING (super-emphasis on the word ANYTHING) to make money, never mind the effect it might have on the health and quality-of-life of their neighbors and community.

    Like an individual walking down a city street randomly shooting a gun, they simply have no concern for others, and must be stopped.

    Corporate hog farms are one example of capitalist greed gone crazy. Unfortunately, there are many others.

  • fifefan4life Jul 26, 2013

    Don't want hog farms? Don't eat pork. They are intelligent animals, more so than even dogs. It's horrific how they are treated.

  • Honesty first Jul 26, 2013

    The foul smell in Raleigh should be gone in about a week. As soon as the Legislature leaves town, things will get better.

  • dontstopnow Jul 26, 2013

    I just love reading these boards sometime. everyone wants to complain but nobody wants to do the work themselves. For instance, raise your own organic food, I do. I have gardens, chickens and fruit orchard. I do not feed my chickens anything that does not grow here except their laying crumble, which has no antibiotics or hormones. My cat even likes to eat the chicken feed it is so good...LOL

    People must understand, the demand for pork is well beyond what it was in the 50s and 60s because back then, we raised our own pork and beef. The supermarket was not nearly as important as today because people don't know how to raise their own food or slaughter and prepare it. The best bacon and smoked ham came from my grandfather's smokehouse and it was a lot of work to get it ready.

    We better get back to basics in this country is all I can say or you will have to deal with the smells and other bad things coming from the mega farms for meat.

  • RadioDJ Jul 26, 2013

    lisa2195, I understand your support for and of farmers. In my business, I had a number of farrowing operations as clients in and around Warsaw, NC. I've been in the showers going into and out of the operations just to service systems. I worked on the computers that kept the records. I saw everything about the operation, including waste, profits, etc. I also feel for the farmers. They are in large part just part of a huge corporation like Smithfield now days. They produce for a set fee or percentage, and usually not a living wage. But that also makes a point. Farmers now make so very little that trying to do ANYTHING to protect the environment cuts into their ability to survive. Survival vs. environment. I lived in the midst of the largest farming area in our state. The runoff from nitrogen from spraying fields with offal from Turkey, chicken and hog production fouls creeks and swamps with algae and worse. The bad smells are just a symptom of a larger disease.

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    perseusomega9, have you ever been to a farm. I'm not talking about a "Mr. Weekend Farmer" who has 2 cows and they are fenced in his back yard. Hog Farms, Turkey farms and Chicken farms are buildings. The hogs are not able to go outside and roam around like they did 30 years ago with just a shed for cover.-lisa2195

    Was just at a dairy CAFO the other day taking water samples and noting heavy stream degradation.

  • lisa2195 Jul 26, 2013

    perseusomega9, have you ever been to a farm. I'm not talking about a "Mr. Weekend Farmer" who has 2 cows and they are fenced in his back yard. Hog Farms, Turkey farms and Chicken farms are buildings. The hogs are not able to go outside and roam around like they did 30 years ago with just a shed for cover.

  • NC_Beach_n_Mtn_guy Jul 26, 2013

    I grew up on a farm, "NORMAL" farm fumes are NOTHING beside the large hog farm operations! We had hogs and they had an odor when you were within 100 feet of them. These commercial hog farms are 1000 times worse!

    Following government regulations you say? Did you know that an EPA permit for large commercial operations state how many TONS of LEAD and ARSNIC they can dump into the rivers and streams of any state! TONS, not POUNDS, TONS TONS TONS!!!! And people eat those fish and other wildlife! These contaminates NEVER leave the flesh of the animals that eat it. Then another animal has that animal for dinner, it has all of the that animals contaminates plus its own and so on and so on! OMG!!! Government regulations are a joke that is not laughable!

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    Farmers are the biggest advocates for the enviroment than anyother industry!-lisa2195

    Which is why you have to pull their teeth to get them to fence their livestock out of streams of course.

  • town guy Jul 26, 2013

    WageSlave is right - I am willing to pay more for bacon. If we had millions of humans in NC using open sewers, we would be outraged at the lack of consideration for public health - why is it any less of a concern for hog mess?

  • Dr.Whew... Jul 26, 2013

    Sounds like the same exact problem I have in Wake County, the only difference is that the smell we get is from the City of Raleigh Sewage that is pumped way out to the edge of Wake Co. and that is where they spray it, give up the fight and live with it or move because big brother will just mow you down and keep on trucking.

  • lisa2195 Jul 26, 2013

    Do you people even know what Organic is? Really! Organic farms only use natural fertilizer, ie..hog waste, turkey waste,etc! Farmers are the biggest advocates for the enviroment than anyother industry! To a farmer, their fields are thier offices. Why would they want to harm thier "office". People need to think and do their homework before speaking on subjects that they know nothing about. Has anyone every gone by a compost! The most rotten smell ever! Don't give farmers a hard time just becasue you don't understand what it is they do. Contact your local farmer. I'm sure that any would be more than happy to sit down with you and explain their operations and tell you why they do what they do.

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    State tested wells have been put down directly beside lagoons and have cleaner water 100 feet from them than the rivers running through the cities by far FACT! This is not hear say, done myself!-TWAL

    I eagerly await your full statistical report on hog CAFO's throughout the east and their impacts on ground and surface water quality, until then, your anecdotal and statistically invalid sample size will be noted.

  • RadioDJ Jul 26, 2013

    "So should the government come in and do something? Or do we suck it up and pay more at the grocery store so the farmers and companies can afford the retrofits?" MOST of the "food" from these agricultural products don't go to the grocery store, at least not directly, or in a form we would recognize. Fast food buys more bacon, beef, pork, chicken, wheat, potatoes, apples, lettuce, eggs, etc. etc. All of the production today is geared towards supply THOSE industries. Prior to them, hog farms weren't the huge holding pens full of antibiotic and feces they are now. If the majority of production actually DID go to the grocery stores, our prices would be so low you could afford to eat well. But since we need those whopperburgers with extra bacon......

  • WageSlave Jul 26, 2013

    Any time you rely on an "Industry" to provide a solution, you will ALWAYS get answers like "Farmers say those alternatives proved too inefficient, so little has changed in recent years". What they mean is "It would cost us too much to clean up the mess we make, lowering our profits, so go sit and spin on a cylindrical object". Thankfully, we have Republicans in charge now that will do everything in their power to make sure North Carolinians are provided the best in health care for issues just like this. Just look at all they are doing to protect Women's Health!
    RadioDJ

    These are all contract farmers! Do you have 1/2 million in capital to install a new waste system that might work? Do you have the time or resources to hire another man to run this system?

    Most of these farmers are barely holding on to what they got as is.

  • GOPtakersSociety Jul 26, 2013

    RadioDJ..... I like you and your thoughts!

  • GOPtakersSociety Jul 26, 2013

    ah, don't worry hog farmers, Patty and his Merry Band of Cronies have got your back, say some pesky neighbors are complaining, pfft...we will remove all those regulations and let them EAT CROW

  • Purple_Pir8 Jul 26, 2013

    Then your research should have showed you that Sediment or dirt is the number 1 pollutant for NC waterways. You going to rally against construction in NC next?

    The next 2 pollutants are Bacteria and Nutrients. Which is the concern with swine waste. This is why the farmer must do active rain measurements and soil test to ensure that he/she does not over saturate or overload the ground during application to crops.

    In the construction industry silt nets and fencing are supposed to be used, however when it is not it can cause a major problem. I have already battled a construction company over this due to run off on a construction site not being properly managed and my Mother almost losing her home. So YES I will battle construction companies and they're lack of following procedures to keep our water safe! As for the hog farms wait until the next flood and enjoy the feces in the water because these lagoons are located in the flood plain..... which is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!

  • WageSlave Jul 26, 2013

    I love my bacon...but I would happily pay double price if I didn't have to endure the open sewers of the hog farms. ============================================================ ====

    If you don't have the hog farms, where you gonna GET that bacon?
    stymieindurham

    ?? He is saying he is willing to pay double the price for pork to ensure that better waste handling systems are installed on farms rather than lagoons. He is one of the few.

  • RadioDJ Jul 26, 2013

    "just know that hog farmers have way more regulations and rules than any industry."

    One must assume then, that due either to past indiscretions or simply a total lack of accountability for the huge amounts of waste produced by raising hogs in this fashion, that all of those rules and regulations were put in place for a reason? It wasn't until the 70's that hog farming as it is now came into practice. That's when the fast food industry suddenly became a huge player and needed huge quantities of products. Hog farms, chicken farms and about every other food source suddenly needed to be a mass-produced item at the lowest possible prices. Then big corporations came in to buy up or contract into squalor the farmers. Operations like this have only been in existence for 50 years or less, and the only reason they are necessary is to provide the quantities of products at the prices required by the fast food industry. They are the largest buyers of MOST food products.

  • stymieindurham Jul 26, 2013

    I love my bacon...but I would happily pay double price if I didn't have to endure the open sewers of the hog farms.
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    If you don't have the hog farms, where you gonna GET that bacon?

  • perseusomega9 Jul 26, 2013

    Industries are allowed to dump waste into streams and rivers with no risk of fines. -lisa2195

    That statement really lessons the impact of everything else you wrote.

  • RadioDJ Jul 26, 2013

    Any time you rely on an "Industry" to provide a solution, you will ALWAYS get answers like "Farmers say those alternatives proved too inefficient, so little has changed in recent years". What they mean is "It would cost us too much to clean up the mess we make, lowering our profits, so go sit and spin on a cylindrical object". Thankfully, we have Republicans in charge now that will do everything in their power to make sure North Carolinians are provided the best in health care for issues just like this. Just look at all they are doing to protect Women's Health!

  • town guy Jul 26, 2013

    I love my bacon...but I would happily pay double price if I didn't have to endure the open sewers of the hog farms.

  • stymieindurham Jul 26, 2013

    "Herring's family has lived in Duplin County for more than a century. Over the past 20 years or so, she said . . . . "
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    You mean this just started in the last 20 years???

  • HomeBrewDude Jul 26, 2013

    Who was there first? If the hog farm was up and running and the homes were built in the vicinity.. shame on the home buyer. Now if it is the other way around then yes, accommodations must be made.

  • lisa2195 Jul 26, 2013

    To the person who thinks a hog farm should be treated as an industrial institution and not an agriculture setting, just know that hog farmers have way more regulations and rules than any industry. Industries are allowed to dump waste into streams and rivers with no risk of fines. Hog farmers are under such scruntiny that its more paperwork and business than anything else. Each year a hog farmer is inspected by the Dept of Water Quality (DWQ) and by the EPA at least 2 times - Surprise Visits! If one record is not found in their "book", it is huge fines and possible shut down. When pumping the lagoon onto the field, if 1 oz gets where its not supposed to be, fines and risk of shut down. Farmers are REQUIRED to stay with thier pumping reels and farms anytime it is running. They are required to attend schools and education classes every year and be licensed by the state every year. Yes, there are farmers who don't do what they are suppsed to do and that gives a bad reputation to al

  • WageSlave Jul 26, 2013

    Start growing and producing products fit for human consumption...How about organically grown food sources for starters?

    Take a hike......LOL......Today's meat products are neither fit for human consumption or necessary for the survival of the human species!!!
    jaydosse

    I agree I wish we had more organically raised crops and animals. But that is argument for Big ag companies giving consumers the low grade low price food they want.

    I know I am in the minority, thats why I worry about what I eat and let everyone else worry about what they eat

  • TWAL Jul 26, 2013

    The only people that benefit is the hog farmers. Do your research on that statement. These counties were some of the poorest in the UNITED STATES. Talk about creating jobs, builders,car dealerships, restaurants, roads,taxes, gas companies, hardware stores. Why don't you get your facts and see how much of your sewage from homes go in the rivers that the farmers fish, swim and hunt in. State tested wells have been put down directly beside lagoons and have cleaner water 100 feet from them than the rivers running through the cities by far FACT! This is not hear say, done myself! If this farmer is spraying illegally he should be stopped. Not all places have a good smell every minute of every day. Steel factories, Lumber factories, your sewage plants, ferilizer companies so lets shut them all down and let the farmer raise his pigs in a fence beside your land and get you some of that, oh no that stinks too. Food dosen't come from the grocery store in the real WORLD!

  • WageSlave Jul 26, 2013

    its a cheap and bad way to handle this waste and should have been phased out years ago..
    1983rs

    Well there was a moratorium set in mid 90's so no new lagoons would be built. What do you suggest they do about the ones in current operation? There are better ways to handle waste (covered lagoon with gas capture for electricity generation) but none of them are economical.

    So should the government come in and do something? Or do we suck it up and pay more at the grocery store so the farmers and companies can afford the retrofits?

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