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  • oldrebel Jul 30, 7:45 a.m.

    Still much misinformation about what was actually passed as apparent by some of these comments. For the actual ratified bill . . .

    http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H937v5.pdf

  • oldrebel Jul 30, 7:32 a.m.

    "Parts of the bill will allow concealed handgun permit holders to bring their weapons to bars and restaurants that serve alcohol – although they are not supposed to consume alcohol – carry them in funeral processions and allow them to keep firearms locked in their car when parked on college or public school campuses.

    The bill also removes information regarding those who hold concealed handgun permits from public view."

    All worthy and needed improvements to existing law.

  • drinfinger Jul 25, 8:38 p.m.

    All I can say is that it's about time. Now on the next go round lets get rid of the restriction of not being able to carry in places like theaters or other places where you "pay admission". Remember the "bad" guys also know where cc permit holders cannot carry and could easily target those areas.
    Vietnam Vet

    That also changed this time tou will be able to carry where admission is charged also at parades/funerals

  • Vietnam Vet Jul 25, 1:36 p.m.

    All I can say is that it's about time. Now on the next go round lets get rid of the restriction of not being able to carry in places like theaters or other places where you "pay admission". Remember the "bad" guys also know where cc permit holders cannot carry and could easily target those areas.

  • JohnnyMcRonny Jul 25, 12:16 p.m.

    "Which part is still confusing you?" - junkmail5

    The part where other proponents on this board state nothing will change. So it's not confusion on my part, it's incoherence on those of others.

    It does nothing to make me feel truly safer. So it's a waste of my money.

  • junkmail5 Jul 25, 8:12 a.m.

    Too bad they could not have eliminated the problems some counties produce by anti gun sheriff's who just want to obstruct. All people buying guns from dealers must undergo a background check, pistols through the county permits and long guns through the FBI NCIS system. The change would have run all purchases through the FBI system.- Frosty

    That's true.... but the change (removing the permit system entirely) would also have meant NO checks, AT ALL, by anyone, for private sale of handguns.

    And that's why so many law enforcement folks were upset about it.

  • Steve Mchugelarge Jul 25, 8:07 a.m.

    So with all that said how can you feel "unsafe" with trained law abiding citizens carrying firearms??
    torchhappysean

    if you're scared then the terrorists have won.

    But it will be nice to go out and not hear a bunch of whining coming from people who suffer from extreme liberal guilt

  • junkmail5 Jul 25, 7:15 a.m.

    If the current law (you mean new law) won't change anything then why on earth is the GA wasting OUR money to change the law???- JohnnMcRonny

    The current law changes where PEOPLE WHO OBEY THE LAW can carry their guns.

    That's the point of the law.

    it does NOT change the fact you can not legally drink, AT ALL, when carrying, regardless of where you are.

    Which part is still confusing you?

  • torchhappysean Jul 25, 7:01 a.m.

    "Welcome to the wild west !!!! Amazed that NC continues to revert to barbaric ways and behaviors. Please Governor..step aside, I do not feel safe. I will not enter any establishment without a sign posted that they are gun free. I cannot smoke a ciggarette in bar or restaruant...but can get shot in the head. m919s".... Your logic is flawed.. If you're going to get shot it will be by someone who has NO regard for the law to begin with. With that said do some reasearch and you'll find that you will not find a case where a CCP holder has been charged with murder... Take that one step further and you'll also notice that there are no reports of innocent bystanders getting shot by CCP holders either... Would be criminals and "gang-bangers" on the other hand didn't give two hoots to begin with... So with all that said how can you feel "unsafe" with trained law abiding citizens carrying firearms??

  • frosty Jul 24, 8:15 p.m.

    It is amazing how much misinformation is being put out by the liberals. Not unexpected, just amazing.

    The new government is fixing things that should have been changed long ago. But that is to be expected when most liberals fear their fellow citizens.

    It is good to see the Republicans honoring their promises.

    Too bad they could not have eliminated the problems some counties produce by anti gun sheriff's who just want to obstruct. All people buying guns from dealers must undergo a background check, pistols through the county permits and long guns through the FBI NCIS system. The change would have run all purchases through the FBI system.

    Years ago sheriffs could restrict purchases on a whim. But a ruling in court that held that was a violation of civil rights put a stop to that.

    When law goes into effect no longer will a CCW holder have to have someone find out if a restaurant serves alcohol before entering.

  • JohnnyMcRonny Jul 24, 7:30 p.m.

    "EXACTLY! Which is why this current law will change nothing....Thank you for making our case so well however..." - HockeyPlayerX

    Let's see...

    What a nonsense argument. If anything you are supporting what I say and opposing your own position.

    If the current law (you mean new law) won't change anything then why on earth is the GA wasting OUR money to change the law???

    Look forward to your explaining that away.

  • RKBA Jul 24, 7:18 p.m.

    "I will not enter any establishment without a sign posted that they are gun free"

    If you REALLY feel this way, why not post such a sign in your front lawn?

    I'm sure the burglars and home invaders will appreciate your thoughtfulness

  • RKBA Jul 24, 7:16 p.m.

    More guns are carried now than at any time before.

    Yet...

    Crime goes down.

    I wonder if there's a correlation?

  • Frank Downtown Jul 24, 5:42 p.m.

    Guns in schools, parks, and libraries. I feel safer already!

  • drinfinger Jul 24, 5:07 p.m.

    One other thing people don't mention. It is certainly legal to go anywhere you want and to "follow" anyone you want. But in most of society it is considered a VERY aggressive act. Especially after dark. Most people, like myself, would run. Others will whip your behind. There really isn't anything in between when it comes to being followed.
    Right Is Wrong

    You are wrong there the in between is what I as a responsable person would do. I would mantain my distance and engage in a polite conversation starting with Sir are you following me or just going in the same direction? Some one following you is NOT A REASON TO COMMIT ASSULT

  • junkmail5 Jul 24, 5:01 p.m.

    Within 10 years the liberals would be flat broke and begging to come back- HockyPlayerX

    Point of order- Most states who are TAKERS (ie they take more from the feds than they pay in taxes) are RED states.

    The blue states are mostly the ones financing that.

  • TimeWillTell Jul 24, 4:52 p.m.

    What's the old saying... "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

    Or ignore it.

    All the screeching and hollaring here about all the mahem that will occur as a result of this law is EXACTLY what was screeched and hollared 18 years ago when concealed carry was passed in this state. Here we are, 300,000 permits later, and... where is the mayhem? Here or in any other state?

    Why argue with the anti-gun crowd? They have no interest in objective fact derived from verifiable data so, losing that battle, they resort to name calling. I especially like the "inadequacy" thing. I carry full car insurance but I haven't had any at-fault wrecks sinec I was a kid(did get hit by someone else while I was stopped), I have two fire extinguishers in my house which has never caught fire... by the anti-gunner's "logic," my insurance will cause me to drive carelessly and my fire extinguisher will make me a pyromaniac.

    Pfft.

  • #7 Jul 24, 4:50 p.m.

    If those of you who are so vehemently opposed to this bill had ever been the victim of a violent crime you might change your mind about gun rights. I've been there and done that and believe me... you don't ever want the t-shirt from that experience. I'll keep my guns and gun rights and you can keep crying foul.

  • HockeyPlayerX Jul 24, 4:38 p.m.

    The best solution to all of this would be for liberals to move to the western part of the country, and leave conservatives in the east. Two nations instead of one. Within 10 years the liberals would be flat broke and begging to come back because there is no way that they could support the ridiculous Socialist Utopia they seek with OUR MONEY.

  • Right Is Wrong Jul 24, 4:21 p.m.

    I was trying to say why couldn't Zimmerman just wear some type of vest or jacket identifying himself as community watch? I know the hardcore folks will say if he did that no one would commit a crime. Well, isn't that what he is there for? He isn't a detective or investigator. There are so many ways he could have stopped this.

    One other thing people don't mention. It is certainly legal to go anywhere you want and to "follow" anyone you want. But in most of society it is considered a VERY aggressive act. Especially after dark. Most people, like myself, would run. Others will whip your behind. There really isn't anything in between when it comes to being followed.

  • junkmail5 Jul 24, 4:16 p.m.

    What I find disconcerting is to potentially be in the range of fire from gun-nuts shooting at one another in "self defense".
    periodhouse

    Good news then!

    that pretty much never ever happens.

    On the occasions a conceal carry holder actually draws his weapon, it usually results in stopping the bad guy (I can give you dozen of examples)..... NOT some wild west shootout where the conceal carry civilian hits a bunch of innocent people (which you CAN'T give me a similar list of examples of because they don't exist).

    Plus, as noted, mass shootings almost exclusively happen where guns are NOT allowed...

    So by sticking to places you WON'T be near CC holders you greatly INCREASE your risk of being a victim of crime.

    a gun is designed for one purpose only- periodhouse

    Yes, firing a projectile. That's the purpose.

    You can tell the purpose isn't "killing" because 99.99% of civilian guns never kill anyone. Ever. Despite seeing a lot of use.

  • Steve Mchugelarge Jul 24, 4:11 p.m.

    Not being from this country, (and hence not brainwashed) I find it difficult to fathom the fear people here live in. The need to carry a gun to feel safe, the need to protect ones family everywhere you go. That's just messed up.

    StuckHere

    I lived in Germany for 5 years and there were a few tense moments with Turks hassling me and my friends and some violence occurred. So yah I didn't feel safe there either. You have been brainwashed and vanquished.

  • Steve Mchugelarge Jul 24, 4:06 p.m.

    Actually, no. That is not fair enough. What I find disconcerting is to potentially be in the range of fire from gun-nuts shooting at one another in "self defense".

    periodhouse

    when has that ever happened? Usually the ccw carrier takes out the threat because the threat isn't trained like the ccw carrier is. Do gun grabbers ever listen or learn anything? You just run on emotion and fear. Sad

  • Monkey_Joe Jul 24, 4:02 p.m.

    If you oppose gun rights but continue to watch TV or movies that display gun violence, you are a hypocrite. The problem is the pervasive violence in our society... coming from entertainment. It has nothing to do with gun control.

  • YouGot2BeKidding Jul 24, 3:55 p.m.

    So each of you that comment on this being backwards for this state and regressive...what about all of the other states that have had this for years? Are they backwards as well?

    There's not too many states that you can travel to that don't already have these laws on the books, yet you want to condemn the GA and Governor? Are you going to stop traveling to these locations and going to their restaurants and shopping areas??

  • HockeyPlayerX Jul 24, 3:54 p.m.

    "Hockeyplayer, It appears you are taking pleasure in the embarrassing regressiveness taking place in this state." ... You are correct, I am taking GREAT pleasure in seeing this state move forward, and away from the petty, politically correct non-sense that people like you push on others. And you are painting me with the wrong brush, as ignorant people often do...I never said a word about gay-rights. Thanks for demagoguing though. Have a nice day.

  • HockeyPlayerX Jul 24, 3:48 p.m.

    "Seriously? People drink and drive yet it's prohibited. People rape and murder yet it's a crime. Just because something is "the LAW" doesn't mean people don't break it." ... EXACTLY! Which is why this current law will change nothing. Just because it is illegal to carry in a place, do you think people won't do it anyway? And here is more bad news for you...the person that is willing to ignore the law, they are generally more likely to do something else that is illegal as well...like shoot someone or rob someone. Making guns illegal, or making carrying a gun illegal, is only going to affect the person that cares about the law, and if that person is so inclined to follow the law that they would obey a simple gun law...you can bet that they are not out to commit any major crime like murder or armed robbery. Thank you for making our case so well however...

  • bettyboopr2 Jul 24, 3:45 p.m.

    When I applied for my carry conceal permit I had to have background check including fingerprinting. And the 2 renewals I applied for still had to have background check. I don't see what the big deal is. If you don't want to own a gun don't buy one. Responsible gun owners are no threat to you. It's the criminals that don't abide by the law that are the threat. Get over it

  • Lightfoot3 Jul 24, 3:34 p.m.

    "Trayvon would still be alive if GZ was not carrying." - movingforward


    Agree.


    "GZ would be beatup, but both would be alive." - movingforward


    Maybe. Or Zimmmerman might have great bodily harm. He might be maimed and scarred. He might be blind, or any number of things that could happen when someone is beating you and slamming your head on the ground. He might even be dead. Or, possibly, just beatup a little. But when do you think Martin was going to quit beating him and how would Zimmerman know this?

  • fishon Jul 24, 3:24 p.m.

    You are correct fishon. North Carolina law enforcement and sheriffs DEMAND to continue to have power over you.- wildpig777

    As a responsible gun owner with concealed carry permits for the last 27 years in several states, I have been background checked quite a few times. While I don't think universal background checks for guns being transferred to family members should be required, I do feel more at ease when selling a weapon to a private citizen knowing they have at least gone through the process of being checked out during the handgun permit process.

  • junkmail5 Jul 24, 3:21 p.m.

    There's way more people who don't carry guns than that do.- plarson00

    Yes... and the ones who don't are MORE likely to commit violent crimes.

    it's weird you're LESS afraid of them despite them being FAR more likely to hurt you than a CC holder.

  • periodhouse Jul 24, 3:21 p.m.

    "The Republican lawmakers in this state are seemingly getting dumber with each passing day." ... in your opinion, but then again, you didn't vote for them, did you? They are doing exactly what *we* elected them to do. They are representing our interests. If these are not *your* interests, that makes perfect sense...you voted for the other side.

    Hockeyplayer,
    It appears you are taking pleasure in the embarrassing regressiveness taking place in this state. Thankfully, as tides in this country are turning, the old guard in NC will inevitably have to shake its backward ways of essentially squashing civil rights. And, yes, it will be a matter of time before the Supreme Court strikes down anti-gay legislation as well, but I digress. I await the day right wingers implode within a choking wave of progress.

  • DareToDream Jul 24, 3:12 p.m.

    I will not enter any establishment without a sign posted that they are gun free.- m919s

    ^OMG! I really didn't just read that, did I? HAHA!

  • labmanac Jul 24, 3:11 p.m.

    Concealed Carry Permit holders are the ones you should want to be in a room with! How many gun related violent acts are committed by criminals who dont even serve the minimum prison time and are back on the loose only to buy another gun and run wild on the street. Concealed carry permit holders face a lot more legal action if ever involved in any situation with a firearm, thats why they are never involved in situations where they use their weapons without just cause. These permit holders take on all responsibility of owning and carrying a firearm for one reason and one reason only. They are RESPONSIBLE!! The only time you will see their gun is when they are either stopping someone from taking their life or the life of someone else. Keep your blinders on and live your fairy tale life or realize that there are real bad guys out there who will stop at nothing to take your life. Just remember that the police wont be there by the time you hang up the 911 call, but that psycho criminal will.

  • periodhouse Jul 24, 3:11 p.m.

    RKBA,
    "Then don't carry one. Meanwhile, let the rest of us figure out how and when to protect ourselves and our families. Fair enough?"

    Actually, no. That is not fair enough. What I find disconcerting is to potentially be in the range of fire from gun-nuts shooting at one another in "self defense".

  • periodhouse Jul 24, 3:09 p.m.

    "pool sticks can also kill someone stab right through the heart or brain in the right spot. A gun has not yet loaded itself aimed by itself or took off the safety. It takes a person"

    Sunshine,
    A pool stick is not designed to kill whereas a gun is designed for one purpose only. I suppose you could argue that a gun could also serve as a pool stick, but it would be rather clunky, no?

  • stanggt Jul 24, 3:09 p.m.

    This is not progress. This is a huge step backwards, and a big punch in the gut to all of the families that have been affected by tragedies involving guns. Let's face it, after Sandy Hook 91% of the American population wanted stricter gun laws. And NC goes and makes our gun laws looser. As the country moves to approve issues such as women's rights and access to abortion, and gay marriage, NC continues to suppress those inevitable courses. And now they want to make it more difficult, if not impossible, for some NC residents to vote! What is the legislature afraid of?! They need to just get with it and stop trying to hold onto traditions and backwards thinking that just doesn't work anymore. jsn0683 July 24, 2013 10:31 a.m. >>>BLaaahhaaa, Blahaaaaa, that's all I can think of to do, just LAUGH!! That is histerical!!

    seriously, you are blinder than stevie wonder....

  • babedan Jul 24, 3:07 p.m.

    StuckHere, no what you can't comprehend is the Freedom we as Americans hold near and dear to us. I don't care where your from you have gun violence. The problem is you take the approach that if you get shot, you get shot because there is nothing you can do about it. We on the other hand, feel we have the right to protect ourselfs and should at least have the chance to stop the bad guy before he stops us.

  • Mo Blues Jul 24, 3:06 p.m.

    StuckHere: "...the need to protect ones family everywhere you go. That's just messed up."

    Yeah - it's really "messed up" that my wife and I choose to have the means to protect our family. I guess we should just disarm ourselves and leave ourselves open to violence 'for the children'.

    Honestly, the key things I have learned from carrying concealed are:

    1) avoid confrontations at (almost) all costs
    2) don't get angry over life's annoyances
    3) be respectful of others
    4) mind your own business

    Funny how that works. I no longer make unseemly hand gestures to other drivers, and am far more patient and circumspect since carrying a firearm. Try it yourself.

  • rargos Jul 24, 2:56 p.m.

    "Not being from this country, (and hence not brainwashed) I find it difficult to fathom the fear people here live in. The need to carry a gun to feel safe, the need to protect ones family everywhere you go. --StuckHere"

    You're welcome to go back where you came from if you don't like it here. And yes, people here are brainwashed into believing that the gov't will protect them and that defending yourself is wrong. The only irrational fear here is on the part of people who don't like guns.

    Am I paranoid for owning a fire extinguisher and smoke alarm? My home is much more likely to be burglarized than burnt down.

  • stanggt Jul 24, 2:55 p.m.

    Guns aren't the problem. People are.

  • rargos Jul 24, 2:53 p.m.

    "Welcome to the wild west !!!! Amazed that NC continues to revert to barbaric ways and behaviors. Please Governor..step aside, I do not feel safe. I will not enter any establishment without a sign posted that they are gun free. I cannot smoke a ciggarette in bar or restaruant...but can get shot in the head. m919s"

    Over 300,000 people have been legally carrying concealed weapons all over NC for almost 20 years -- how many of those permit holders have shot someone in the head? If you're worried sbout being attacked in a bar, maybe you should stop going to bars and complaining about the smoking ban: alcohol and tobacco kill WAY more people than guns.

    I don't feel safe around people who have uninformed hyper-emotional reactions to things they don't like and then vote for equally uninformed and irrational people.

  • gov watchdog Jul 24, 2:52 p.m.

    Not being from this country, (and hence not brainwashed) I find it difficult to fathom the fear people here live in. The need to carry a gun to feel safe, the need to protect ones family everywhere you go. That's just messed up.

    StuckHere

    First, feel free to leave whenever you want. Second, the people running in the Boston Marathon on April 15 probably did not feel they needed to carry weapons or triage equipment with them either.

  • Vote for Pedro Jul 24, 2:52 p.m.

    "I will not spend my money in any reasturant or bar that does not explicitly state at their entrance that guns are not permitted on the premises." plarson00

    I won't spend my money at places that don't allow them ;-)

    Are you going to quit going to the places that don't serve alcohol? We'll be there as we have been for years.
    YouGot2BeKidding

    There's way more people who don't carry guns than that do. I'm concerned about places that sell alcohol, particularly at night, not Taco Bell at lunch.

  • patriottim Jul 24, 2:48 p.m.

    "Welcome to the wild west !!!!"

    Ahem.

    You *are* aware that the "Wild West" was actually one of the safest times and locations in American history, right? The mythos that the "Wild West" featured a gun fight every day at high noon was created by Hollywood.

  • saturn5 Jul 24, 2:48 p.m.

    JohnnyMcRonny: "Seriously? People drink and drive yet it's prohibited. People rape and murder yet it's a crime. Just because something is "the LAW" doesn't mean people don't break it."

    Good point. What you're saying is people who want to drink and carry their gun are doing it ALREADY. So that part won't change. This just allows the law abiding ones who don't drink to do so as well.

  • gov watchdog Jul 24, 2:48 p.m.

    Pandering to the 3% or whatever of the population who like to make up for their inadequacies with guns instead of muscle cars doesn't help, does it?

    Click to view my profile JohnnyMcRonny

    And the person that first brings up "inadequacies" is showing his/her own concern about his/her own inadequacies. Just because you don't agree with it does not mean that someone is dealing with "inadequacies".

  • junkmail5 Jul 24, 2:48 p.m.

    People will learn... Probably the hard way that society is going towards a more violent end. Better get a gun and be at ease with it. zenonx6

    Meanwhile, back in reality, both gun sales, and conceal carry permits, have been skyrocketing... while gun crime steadily declines.

  • junkmail5 Jul 24, 2:46 p.m.

    Welcome to the wild west - M919

    for what it's worth, the actual wild west had a MUCH lower crime rate than, say, cities with really harsh gun control like Chicago or DC.

    I will not enter any establishment without a sign posted that they are gun free.- m919s

    Then, as I said, you'll be INCREASING your risk of being shot by someone.

    Since nearly all mass shootings happen in exactly the gun-free areas you've decided to stick to.

    Best of luck!

  • Tray Cee Jul 24, 2:45 p.m.

    Dnut - They aren't making it impossible or harder to vote, they are simply requiring that you have valid id..there are SEVEN different forms that are permitted. If you can't get one of those seven you have bigger issues. As for the change in gun law this is a huge step FORWARD not backward as we are not the first state to pass such laws...look at VA they passed similar law a few years back and seen a decline in crime...go figure!! Wake up you are the one who is a step behind.

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