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Big Mike Jul 10, 7:02 p.m.
Obviously poor construction...should fall on the building inspectors of OI...they approved it!..
moomoo Jul 10, 6:34 p.m.
1981--Who are u referring to as "they" and yes it is news even if those involved are not part of "your family" or "your friends". One can only assume (and yes I know what assume means)by your comment that if it does not affect you directly, then it is not news. :)s
highvolt1 Jul 10, 5:31 p.m.
New government regulations coming!!!
LastSon1981 Jul 10, 4:21 p.m.
Ok how is this news what are they trying to distract us from?
Obamacare rules Jul 10, 3:42 p.m.
"Anyone notice that the planks all came down intact. If there were support beams under the deck...wouldn't they have split the planks? Were there no support beams under that deck?"
They probably washed away during the last tropical storm and went out with the tide.
CaryTerp Jul 10, 3:27 p.m.
Anyone notice that the planks all came down intact. If there were support beams under the deck...wouldn't they have split the planks? Were there no support beams under that deck?
mac240 Jul 10, 3:11 p.m.
I'm sure this is Obama's fault for destroying the economy and forcing people to spend $10k a week on a rental!
java323 Jul 10, 2:49 p.m.
A Wilmington newspaper reported that it was a family gathering on the deck to take a group photo. My first thought was a rowdy party as well.
southerntalent Jul 10, 1:39 p.m.
ever see the scary balconies crowed full of people in New Orleans? cmon,crowding a bunch of people onto a balcony it is never gonna turn out great
Obamacare rules Jul 10, 1:25 p.m.
"I have a feeling this was more of a family(s) gathering than 25 kids doing kegstands. This place rents for 10k a week. Not the typical college crowd weekly renter." Just saying.
50 college kids at 200 a pop for the week. Not a bad vacation if you ask me.
rastubar Jul 10, 1:00 p.m.
Possible cause of accident. Answer; Too many people on the deck! It's a no brainer to those with a real education.
TMWSIY Jul 10, 12:57 p.m.
I have a feeling this was more of a family(s) gathering than 25 kids doing kegstands. This place rents for 10k a week. Not the typical college crowd weekly renter. Just saying.
rasengineers Jul 10, 12:55 p.m.
NC Residential Code requires a residential deck to be designed for 40 pounds per square foot service load. Failure load would be roughly twice the service load. Figuring an average weight of 200 lbs. per person and each person occupying roughly 5 square feet (people standing shoulder to shoulder)the live loading on the deck would not have exceeded 40 psf under the weight of people alone. If properly designed and maintained, the deck should not have failed. There are three possibilities:
1. There was something on the deck heavier than people.
2. The deck was not designed to code requirements.
3. The deck was allowed to deteriorate (corrosion of fasteners or weathering of the lumber) to the point the live load capacity was less than required by code.
pooodaddy Jul 10, 12:50 p.m.
But did they spill their beers?
livinonfaith Jul 10, 12:29 p.m.
And for those who actually know the code, does the load a deck should be able to hold apply to the load being evenly spread over the entire deck? Or would it be expected to be able to withstand the entire load, even if it were concentrated in a small spot in the center?
To me, that would be two completely different things. Add downward force (from, say, jumping up and down) and the equation becomes even more complex.
livinonfaith Jul 10, 12:22 p.m.
The article states that 21 were hospitalized and 25 fell, but there isn't any estimate to how many were actually on the deck when it collapsed. Since all of the railings are still up and it doesn't look like the entire structure collapsed, you might assume that there were also some people who were able to hold on and keep from falling.
They'll probably do some kind of inspection on the deck to see if it was up to code. However, I have a vision of shoulder to shoulder young people bouncing up and down to a pounding beat with youthful abandon. (like my friends and I sometimes did, way back when we were young! lol)
Even a deck that is up to code might not be able to withstand thirty plus people bouncing in time to the music, all in one small spot right in the middle of a deck. but that is my own speculation and hopefully the real facts will come out! (Whatever the facts, I hope that these people will be okay!)
Pepe Silvia Jul 10, 12:10 p.m.
MPS, beach houses like this are designed to hold way more than 2 people to a bedroom. Most rooms will either have multiple sets of bunk beds or several beds in a room, plus pull out couches, etc. They are designed FOR large families/groups.
Every few years my extended family has a reunion at the beach, its a lot of people, so normally we get two houses side by side or near each other and the bigger/nicer one becomes the 'main house' where everyone hangs out during the day.
As for your "curious about what else was on the deck" unless it was a truckload of kegs, a keg (or two or even ten) some coolers and some chairs certainly shouldn't have pushed the deck over to the point of being structurally unsound!
kikinc Jul 10, 12:06 p.m.
It's advertised as sleeping 19. The deck could probably have held that. 25 people was stretching it, especially if they were partying up there. Add the weight of a couple kegs, and you're heading towards disaster.
Obviously, I'm speculating here. I have no idea if there was a party going on.
mfarmer1 Jul 10, 12:05 p.m.
my bedroom only holds two people, never had 21 people here and don't plan on it in the near future. Maybe when I die they make all come over to see what I have acquired thru my years and stuff there cars with some of it.
umop apisdn Jul 10, 11:51 a.m.
I wonder if they had a nice trip and I sure hope to see them next fall.
Scubagirl Jul 10, 11:43 a.m.
Well now MPS oftentimes in a beach house a bedroom has MORE THAN 1 bed-sometimes 3-4 CAN sleep in a room. PLUS perhaps there are pull out couches in the LR ......I am aware of a house that will sleep 11 and it only has 3 bedrooms + sunroom. Just sayin
rescuefan Jul 10, 11:40 a.m.
Here is a link to the house: http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationRentalReview-g49406-d1264918-Ocean_Isle_West_Blvd_083_Peace_of_Paradise_Howey_3-Ocean_Isle_Beach_North_Carolina.html
They advertise it as sleeping up to 19 people.
rescuefan Jul 10, 11:38 a.m.
A beach rental house with 6 bedrooms holds way more than 12 people. There are most likely bunk beds in a couple of the bedrooms. Probably a sleeper sofa (or two) and/or a couple of futons. The majority of rental property owners with big houses are catering to larger families and groups.
I am so glad that nobody was killed!
Obamacare rules Jul 10, 10:51 a.m.
Kegstands on the deck dude!!!
MPS Jul 10, 10:50 a.m.
"6 bedrooms, that would hold a LOT of people" -Scubagirl
12 people is a lot? Or do you sleep 4 people per bedroom? Or do you treat rentals like a flop house and have people sleeping in the hallways and bath tubs too? I have no clue how many people the building/fire code says can be there but 20+ people on one section of deck seems a bit extreme, especially if the deck was well weathered like most on the NC coasts. I'm curious what else may have been on the deck at the time (kegs, coolers, ice, etc, etc.)
kittlyn Jul 10, 10:35 a.m.
If this was a college party, my guess is that none of the people attending were physics majors. Otherwise, someone would have thought more rationally than believing 25 people would be supported by a residential deck.
Scubagirl Jul 10, 10:13 a.m.
6 bedrooms, that would hold a LOT of people
ebeamer747 Jul 10, 9:54 a.m.
I am so glad I am not the owner nor one of the guest. Lawsuits will no doubt follow as well as much debate on how the deck was constructed and maintained. Expert witnesses and lawyers will be involved. All this aside, it is a real tragedy, but fortunately it sounds like no one was killed.
mac240 Jul 10, 9:46 a.m.
"25x200=5000 lbs.; just about 2-1/2 tons. Not much weight at all. It's an obvious construction error of some kind. At least no one was killed".
It's more complicated than just adding the total weight! If the 2-1/2 tons was dead weight the deck should support it, but 25 people moving around, dancing, jumpin up and down creates a live load that puts a lot more stress on the structure!
admyank Jul 10, 9:43 a.m.
Hey - just think - another deck built to code.
InTheNo Jul 10, 9:28 a.m.
25x200=5000 lbs.; just about 2-1/2 tons. Not much weight at all. It's an obvious construction error of some kind. At least no one was killed. pinehorse
i don't know the bldg codes, but just that it's a residence, not a commercial bldg. would anyone have thought it was a good idea to drive a small car out onto that deck?
pinehorse Jul 10, 9:21 a.m.
25x200=5000 lbs.; just about 2-1/2 tons. Not much weight at all. It's an obvious construction error of some kind. At least no one was killed.
rasengineers Jul 10, 9:06 a.m.
First in response to whatelseisnew: Having investigated deck failures in the past, I doubt 21 people would exceed the live load capacity of the deck if it was properly designed and maintained.
Second, there are several issues possibly related to the collapse that WRAL should take a closer look at.
1. What was the real cause of the failure? Was the failure related to inadequate design, inadequate maintenance, or both? Was the failure a connection failure?
2. Was this building designed under the NC Residential Code? The scope of the Residential Code is limited to single family residences and townhouses. If the building was intended to house more than five unrelated persons, then the building should have been designed under the general construction volume for commerical buildings of the NC Building Code.
3. Was a design professional (professional engineer or architect) hired to design the structure?
The legislature recently passed H.B. 120 limiting building inspections. In l
one Jul 10, 9:00 a.m.
"That's a TON of people on one deck!!! No wonder it collapsed. Hope everyone involved turns out to be okay!
20 people @ an average of 170 lbs = 3400lbs
Or a ton & a half!
T-Man Jul 10, 8:47 a.m.
'And despite this being the fault of too many people getting on a raised deck, the lawsuits will commence.'
If you look at the picture of the house, it sure looks like it would easily sleep over 20 people. There are a LOT of beach houses that advertise as being able to house an extended family and those houses rent for BIG $$$. There's no reason to belive that the deck wouldn't be able to support everyone that the house sleeps.
Obamacare rules Jul 10, 8:38 a.m.
Had to be a teenage party.
whatelseisnew Jul 10, 8:31 a.m.
And despite this being the fault of too many people getting on a raised deck, the lawsuits will commence.
meredith06alum Jul 10, 8:29 a.m.
That's a TON of people on one deck!!! No wonder it collapsed. Hope everyone involved turns out to be okay!
Cat22 Jul 10, 8:09 a.m.
Good luck getting your deposit back.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03