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  • pingmanreturns Jul 3, 2013

    I guess you want to see more women die. :(

    Most abortions are performed because of unwanted pregnancies, not emergencies!

  • Frank Downtown Jul 3, 2013

    Who is going to take care of all these children? You all are against any public assistance so all these kids will have to go into the foster care system.

  • pingmanreturns Jul 3, 2013

    In the days of responsible journalism, reporters were neutral and only reported the facts. Laura Leslie and Matthew Burns crossed the lines with this report, if in fact they wrote the story. There is no neutrality here. WRAL and the reporters pure bias is obvious and I might add disgusting. I am finding it more and more difficult to tune into WRAL TV and website. Your contempt for the new legislature is so obvious that it's laughable.

  • Dukefan1 Jul 3, 2013

    Are you anti-abortion folks....you should have to work with all the unwanted abused kids I have to work with all the time. I guess you all believe child abuse is OK?

  • Dukefan1 Jul 3, 2013

    This is an ANTI-abortion law scvmcdoc. What in the world are you thinking??

  • ids Jul 3, 2013

    timexliving - data like yours dilutes the truth (are you a politican?) - you are talikng about Switzerland, the two main factors they use are "education, contraception ", in addition, it is not manadatory, and 12yrs, your kidding, correct? Ever talk to a 10yr old today, they know about sex (and often wrong) than you probably do ... Switzerland has the lowest abortion rate of any country in the world - maybe we should take a lesson from them?

    I don't get it - you shout at the top of your lungs that abortion is wrong, but you also stop any and all efforts of stopping women from getting pregnant in the first place..education, protection, condoms - NO,NO,No,No

    And how come you always put the burden on the woman to take the fetus to term, but never, never do I hear...we also have to make sure the father takes some responsibility - why is that?

  • Dukefan1 Jul 3, 2013

    This group of GOPer's are devious and mean! Can't wait to vote them out.

  • junkmail5 Jul 3, 2013

    It is just murder, pure and simple. -Timexliving

    Except, it's not.

    Murder has a legal definition that none of the various LEGAL types of abortion meets.

    Rhetoric is nice, but the law actually means something.

    The fact that a doctor is required during the abortion=safety for the woman-arfamr1008

    It's really not. The type they added that for involves the woman taking a pill...then 2 days later taking another one.

    Unless you're worried she'll choke there's not much need for a doctor to hang around the whole time.

    This is yet another GOP bill solving imaginary problems instead of real ones, to satisfy the ignorant followers who don't know anything about the thing they're banning.

    WRAL, this is not an anti-abortion bil-scvmcdoc

    Except, it is. It serves LITERALLY no medical purpose. It's ENTIRELY to restrict access to abortions.

    You can tell because medical professions had nothing to do with writing it, which they would if it WAS about safety. It's not.

  • corey3rd2 Jul 3, 2013

    Make note that a Conservative GOP Rep strong armed his mistress into getting an abortion. But he still thinks it should be banned. And you people still send him money to run for re-election.

  • davework Jul 3, 2013

    "I guess you want to see more women die. :("

    Like all leftist hysteria this has no basis in actual facts

  • davidgnews Jul 3, 2013

    instead of a hand out, but a hand up to those willing to actually help themselves.... perhaps there would not be a desire for as many abortions... or people on welfare. mep

    You live in a dream world.

  • indrdw Jul 3, 2013

    Again the legislatures in power want to 'take care of us'. Many women would not agree that is what they are trying to do. In this case, as other cases in the past, these people would like to see North Carolinians live and believe what the state (those in power) believe and do. Some of those who agree with this particular move might watch out. They may be next. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone in the state house want to declare a state religion at one time!

  • Ex-Republican Jul 3, 2013

    "Interesting that most abortion occur from conservative homes, add another point to the hypocrisy scale" unclegrits

    Even pro-abortion people don't believe that. Another tidbit of utter stupidity from our favorite uncle.

  • it sometimes rains Jul 3, 2013

    Agreed!!!! "I spoke with a young woman,barely 21, on her fourth abortion. Why would anyone on either side of the debate not be disturbed by these situations?"

    BUT this is not what this legislation is about and we should all praise Snakelady for taking responsibility of her body!!!!!! (It's kinda the point of the whole debate, regardless of sides, right?)

    Can we all please stick to what this legislation is about and celebrate, finally, the assurance of safety in the clinics!!!! I mean, this should be what every woman wants (despite the abortion being right or wrong debate)...can anyone honestly express why are we villainizing the legislature and this bill (despite the tactics which are unbecoming but history shows this is normal here in NC)? This is a really much needed bill and protects women from a filthy, disgusting experience if she chooses to have an abortion. Please tell me why this is bad....knowing that businesses WILL comply with new regs.

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "Every abortion kills an innocent unborn child. Shut the extermination camps down."

    No it doesn't. Stop lying to people.

  • atheistsareinhell Jul 3, 2013

    Nope that is the responsibility of the parents and no one else. All social programs need to ended. If you can not provide for your child, that is abuse, and you should pay the penalty as they apply to child abuse. The free rides and lack of responsibility has to end. Funny how lots of lefties complain about the death penalty but have no problem issuing the death penalty to babies that have committed no crimes. whatelseisnew

    Yes, exactly. Excellent post.

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "Abortion is neither left wing or right wing as many of you claim. It is just murder, pure and simple."

    NO it isn't. Pure and simple.

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "Liberals love to kill children as long as it doesn't involve an AR15... Then it matters. Hmmmm"

    More lies. No children are killed in abortion clinics.

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "So your saying Catholics, Christians and God should all support abortions?"

    We're saying they should stay out of other peoples lives, just like the NC GA stupidly voted against the non-threat of Sharia Law.

  • Ex-Republican Jul 3, 2013

    ... And safe abortions - That is an oxymoron if I ever heard one. If an abortion is successful than someone always dies!

  • welfarequeen Jul 3, 2013

    bortion is neither left wing or right wing as many of you claim. It is just murder, pure and simple. And since it's legal now, thanks to a handful of men on the Supreme Court and not elected officials, we need to make it illegal once again. timexliving

    That's about as ignorant a statement as a person can make. Abortion is LEGAL and has been for decades. It will remain so. You don't like it? don't have one, but keep out of MY business and my sisters' business and my daughters and grand daughters business OK?

  • SnakeLady Jul 3, 2013

    Abortion is neither left wing or right wing as many of you claim. It is just murder, pure and simple. And since it's legal now, thanks to a handful of men on the Supreme Court and not elected officials, we need to make it illegal once again. -timexliving

    I guess you want to see more women die. :(

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "wow...you have been drinking the liberal kool aid for so long you haven't seen the leftist agenda pushed down our throats for the last 40 years, finally we are standing up for our beliefs!!"

    Yes, religious belirefs...or, IWO, your version of Sharia Law.

  • mep Jul 3, 2013

    Do you really think having a substantial increase in the number of poor children is going to cost the tax-payer less than providing abortions???
    watts1000

    So abortion is not about womens health, its not about safety, its not about the childs life... its about money.

  • unclegrits Jul 3, 2013

    Interesting that most abortion occur from conservative homes, add another point to the hypocrisy scale

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "User whatever language you choose in order to ease your conscience about this matter...that is up to you. I, however, will recognize, and speak, the truth. Fetus=Baby, Abortion=Murder."

    Your Post = Lie.

  • geosol Jul 3, 2013

    This will be the REPUBLICANS Waterloo. They have no idea how many good people that they have alienated with this ludicrous and ignorant legislation. They are like moths to a flame; they just can't help themselves to indulge in BIG GOVERNMENT policies to suppress the rights of the good people they are sworn to represent.

  • Orthodox Celt Jul 3, 2013

    "If one more piece of legislation comes from Jones Street that's not DIRECTLY related to creating jobs, we should initiate recalls."

    Why wait? Couldn't be that you don't actually mean that, could it?

  • unclegrits Jul 3, 2013

    Conservatives love big government

  • whatelseisnew Jul 3, 2013

    "then demand the taxpaying public assume all financial responsibility for the children that are actually lucky enough to be born."

    Nope that is the responsibility of the parents and no one else. All social programs need to be ended. If you can not provide for your child, that is abuse and you should pay the penalty as they apply to child abuse. the free rides and lack of responsiblity has to end. Funny how lots of lefties complain about the death penalty but have no problem issuing the death penalty to babies that have committed no crimes.

  • atheistsareinhell Jul 3, 2013

    snakelady - I would agree there are poor married couples that conceive unknowingly and are not financially able to provide. But there are programs and healthcare in place to provide complete prenatal care for the mother until the birth of the child and medicaid covers the hospital stay for mother and baby and WIC and food stamps to provide for the baby and household, pediatric care completely covered for child; free dental and medical for child until age 18; free school lunch, and it just keeps going. But with 43 million abortions we know it's not 'oops' babies. It is mostly being used as birth control by reckless promiscuity and no accountability. I spoke with a young woman,barely 21, on her fourth abortion. Why would anyone on either side of the debate not be disturbed by these situations?

  • whatelseisnew Jul 3, 2013

    "Nothing to tear apart. It looks like a bean. It feels nothing."

    Yep, once you declare a baby less than human then killing it is not a big deal. This type of thinking worked well for people like hitler.

  • unclegrits Jul 3, 2013

    Show what laws states abortion is murder.

  • wildervb Jul 3, 2013

    celebratelife,

    As I mentioned, my family has two adopted kids, we also currently have a foster child living with us. I belong to a church, I contribute to many of the social ministries. You'll never here me condemning a teen mother who chose to keep and raise her child, like the right-wingers that post here so often do.

  • atheistswillrule Jul 3, 2013

    atheistswillrule... there are FAR more cultural issues in the Netherlands regarding sexual activity than simply throwing out copious amounts of sex ed. LOL. mep

    I really don't see what you are "LOL'ing" about. The bible belt has the highest rates of not only teenage pregnancy but also all the STD's. Not to mention the highest obesity rates, heart attack rates, diabetes rates, tornado and hurricane rates. That prayer thing sure must impress someone....LOL!!!!!

  • mep Jul 3, 2013

    Do you really think having a substantial increase in the number of poor children is going to cost the tax-payer less than providing abortions???
    watts1000

    Not every child aborted automatically comes from a poor family.
    But its really about the money... not the health of the mother, or the life of the child..... money.

  • SnakeLady Jul 3, 2013

    What I usually say to folks... if you're against abortion, then support comprehensive, fact-based sex education. It works! It's how I have remained childfree all of my 45 years..... sexually active for ~25 of those years. (Well, the education I received in 9th grade AND my common sense... persistance to actually USE protection once I did decide to become sexually active). And no, I didn't run right out and have sex with my boyfriend. I actually waited until college.

    Abstinence-only sex "education" makes the assumption that every person will actually want to have kids once married, and in fact, wants to have them right away. It assumes they will never want to use birth control, that the married couple will be able to afford 5 or 6 kids. It also makes the assumption that once they've had all the kids they want, they'll just stop having sex. These assumptions are incorrect.

  • wildervb Jul 3, 2013

    mep, The reality is teenagers have been getting pregnant and having babies since the beginning of time. Currently pregnancy rates for teenagers have been dropping. Part of this is better education and available birth control.

    I would prefer that every teenager was always responsible, that would be great, but that's not reality.

    So when these kids are born, I'd like to do what I can to help them succeed. For two reasons, one it is the right thing to do, especially if you value human life. Two it helps our society as a whole if every citizen is a contributor. So yes I support social programs that help poor families get a leg up.

    I have two adopted kids, but I can't help every one of them, I'd like to see our whole society value these kids and help them when we can.

  • hardycitrus Jul 3, 2013

    Of course we'll see the same excuses about voting - that getting rid of most of the location doesn't interfere with anyone's rights.

  • Krimson Jul 3, 2013

    "The hypocrisy of left wingers is they insist that conservatives stay out of their bedrooms, but insist we pay for EVERYTHING that goes on in it... and the results thereof."

    Stick to the issue - availability of abortion. Who pays for it is another topic.

    "Liberals view the unborn as a fetus.... disposable... and without value..."

    So what? Abortion is legal. No need to mince words, you're right it is murder and I'll agree with you all day long about it. That's not going to put the genie back in the bottle...

    "...then demand the taxpaying public assume all financial responsibility for the children that are actually lucky enough to be born."

    Do you really think having a substantial increase in the number of poor children is going to cost the tax-payer less than providing abortions???

  • mep Jul 3, 2013

    atheistswillrule... there are FAR more cultural issues in the Netherlands regarding sexual activity than simply throwing out copious amounts of sex ed. LOL.

  • scvmcdoc Jul 3, 2013

    WRAL, this is not an anti-abortion bill, why must you always show your liberal slant? Why not call it what it is, and ABORTION SAFETY BILL!!!!!

  • SnakeLady Jul 3, 2013

    Most don't suffer. Most kids live relatively normal lives. And do you think getting torn to pieces in the womb doesn't involve suffering? - Wood Chipper
    ~~~

    FYI...

    88-92% of all abortions happen during the first trimester, prior to the 13th week of gestation (AGI/CDC).

    Nothing to tear apart. It looks like a bean. It feels nothing.

  • beachmama Jul 3, 2013

    freedom rings

    This is totally untrue. There are so many outpatient procedures that do not have the same requirements that they just put on abortion clinics. Colonoscopy's are one, oral surgery is another. Making that kind of statement just shows what you listen too. In addition, have you ever noticed when you wake up from surgery in or out of a hospital, there is no doctor there. This bill is not about a woman's safety or health. It is a wsay to close all 36 clinics but one. Any man or woman that believes otherwise is pretty naive about the Republican agenda

  • tnt55 Jul 3, 2013

    It will results in 1 clinic state-wide to be able to remain open, and it's not restrictive? The senator could not come up with one incident due to lack of safety, so it's not that.

    It's control. Period.

  • atheistswillrule Jul 3, 2013

    There is a nation where young teenagers are given explicit sex education ( and free condoms) at age 12. They have abortion on demand and it is payed for 100% by the government. Age-appropriate sex education -including education about sexual diversity- is compulsory in all secondary and primary schools. They have the lowest teen pregnancy rate in the world. The Netherlands. Compare that to the USA which often pushes "abstinence-only" and often try to deny abortion rights. the USA has the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rate in the world and also the highest teen STD rate in the world. Nice going.

  • mep Jul 3, 2013

    Mep, nobody is claiming that religions should support abortion, they can preach and tell their followers not to have abortions. In the end each individual has their own free will and do what their conscience tells them. Making abortions illegal is imposing your religious views on others.
    wildervb

    Unless of course my belief that abortion is wrong independent of any religious beliefs I may or may not hold.

    The hypocrisy of left wingers is they insist that conservatives stay out of their bedrooms, but insist we pay for EVERYTHING that goes on in it... and the results thereof.

    Liberals view the unborn as a fetus.... disposable... and without value... then demand the taxpaying public assume all financial responsibility for the children that are actually lucky enough to be born.

    Protecting the unborn that can not speak for themselves..... while ensuring the care for such "poor" children does not strip them of their and their parents personal responsibility.

  • SnakeLady Jul 3, 2013

    "If conservatives send their children to summer camps why do you begrudge it if they are paying for it with money they earn for THEIR children? It's not their responsibibilty to pay for yours or anyone's children."

    Right. I'm not begrudging them.

    ...."Maybe people need to think about these things before having so many children.(ding, ding, ding-personal responsibility)" ~~celebratelife

    I think you've just made my point. Even poor married couples have sex. (Just like most married couples). Sex is not a contract for pregnancy. It's often an expression of love and closeness.... and well, stress-relief.

    Sometimes bc fails. Sometimes it's forgotten. Must they be forced* to have an unwanted pregnancy, and then be required to allow the kid (and their other kids) to starve or be without other necessities.

    (The whole camp comment was from another person's response. I should have copied the whole statement).

    *I know it's not banned. Not sure where you thought I had said that.

  • atheistsareinhell Jul 3, 2013

    wildervb - You are correct, right wingers value life. And we also contribute to countless ministries, missionaries, and charities to help children. We also help through our taxes with government programs to help the poor and children. Your statement is without any merit.

    Just curious, what do you personally do to contribute to unfortunate children and poor families? You keep pointing out us 'right wingers' do nothing to help. What are you doing?

  • easternNCborn Jul 3, 2013

    My prediction is that this will not see the light of day in the House and if by some miracle they vote for it, McCrory will veto it--BadDayforButch

    I'd like to think it will end this way but I suspect McCrory has already been directed to veto it to save face and claim he didn't lie during the elections. The veto will then be over-ridden and he can claim he's a good guy and the GOP will continue to claim there are no restrictions to abortion. From comments from some of the posters on this site, the GOP just doesn't grasp that limiting access to abortion is the same as restricting it (or they understand and that is exactly what they wanted).

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