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  • beach2011 Jul 8, 2013

    Yea thank God we are trying to do something to keep women from killing their babies!!! Use birth control people not murder!

  • Krimson Jul 8, 2013

    WLBBJB: Statistics related to Abortion in NC:

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usac/ab-usac2-NC.html

  • wlbbjb Jul 8, 2013

    The problem seems to be too many women use abortions for birth control. It's hard to believe all the abortions done are done because a woman's life is at stake. I'm all for saving women's lives but there cannot be that many at risk. How many abortions are performed in North Carolina on a yearly basis? Are statistics available?

  • Krimson Jul 7, 2013

    I actually see this as a "win" for the Pro-Choice crowd. In the short-term, it means that clinics close. But once the update and re-open, the Pro-Lifers will now have to reckon with the fact that they now "support" abortion as long as it meets certain medical standards... In order to argue that this change is about "safety", they must now acknowledge that abortion is "acceptable". Otherwise, they must acknowledge that this is a total sham, with the short minded goal of shutting down clinics with the purpose of denying women their rights.

  • junkmail5 Jul 5, 2013

    One good comment I saw that we can apply here-

    What if they passed new "safety" requirements that every gun store had to have a bigfoot shelter, such that all but 1 gun store in the entire state had to close down.

    I mean, that's not denying anyone their rights, it's just about safety!

    Because that's the line the GOP is feeding you here on abortion.

    Mandating requirements to address completely imaginary problems there's no credible reports actually happening... and it just HAPPENS to shut down virtually every provider in the state.

  • Krimson Jul 5, 2013

    mep, please answer my previous question: which is going to cost more money? Taking care of the extra children of those that can't afford to go to the one remaining clinic in NC, or providing low cost and safe abortions to those that can do so, as is their right?

  • Krimson Jul 5, 2013

    mep: Still waiting for you to explain what "cultural issues" the Dutch have "regarding sexual activity"...

  • jankenpie Jul 5, 2013

    Get to the Moral Monday protest this July 8th. It's going to be HUGE! Unlike anything NC has seen in a long time. The 'Call to Action' is going out to hundreds of thousands.

  • junkmail5 Jul 5, 2013

    See, and that's part of the problem too.

    If the GOP would just come out and admit "We don't like abortions, and will use every legal and technical trick in the book to limit it as much as we possibly can"

    That'd at least be honest. You could respect they're voting their position even if you disagree with it.

    Instead, as if it's fooling ANYONE, they lie and claim it's about safety when it's obviously, provably, and clearly, not.

    So not only are they lying to you, they think you're stupid enough to fall for it.

    (from the comments it seems maybe some are?)

  • junkmail5 Jul 5, 2013

    The point is, if you can afford it, you should have your abortion done in a clean and sanitary place- doktoroblivion

    But again- they ALREADY ARE.

    You can't cite any cases where there have been problems due to NOT meeting these new restrictions- because this is NOT about safety.

    Even more obvious by the fact no OTHER type of outpatient facility gets these new rules, despite some doing MORE invasive things than certain types of abortions.

    Because this bill has -nothing- to do with safety, and everything to do with drastically restricting abortion providers.

  • junkmail5 Jul 5, 2013

    That is unless clinics want to invest in their facilities to ensure a womans health and safety- mep

    Except they're already safe.

    You can tell, because there's no significant safety problem actually happening.

    Once again they're passing laws to solve imaginary problems while restricting actual rights.

  • doktoroblivion Jul 5, 2013

    I agree with this legislation and have given money to the Senators involved. The point is, if you can afford it, you should have your abortion done in a clean and sanitary place. If you cannot, you should put the spawn up for adoption. There are other options which include plastic that should not be discussed here.

  • dwntwnboy2 Jul 5, 2013

    If this was actually about safety of the patient and all the other "stuff" they are saying about this, they would have put in place similar requirements for ALL clinics that perform any medical procedures this intrusive or more....but they didn't. They ONLY went after ONE type of medical procedure, and by doing so, they tipped their hand that this isn't anything about "safety" or the "patient"- it's all about trying to close abortions clinics and anything else they don't think is "moral" in their little world. It's a sham of a bill and should be stopped by legislation or court. Why doesn't an oral surgeon have to have the same requirements an abortion doctor does?? Both are "medical procedures" that could have complications that require hospitalization.

  • mep Jul 5, 2013

    A complete lie. You and the legislation aren't fooling anybody. It basically disqualifies every abortion clinic in the state except one which was its only intent.
    Plenty Coups

    That is unless clinics want to invest in their facilities to ensure a womans health and safety.... or is it just about profits? My guess.... profits.

  • Taxpayingcitizen Jul 5, 2013

    "All the folks that are FOR this shouldn't have ANY problem with added gun controls and background checks. dwntwnboy2"

    Absolutely! I am for this bill, but I am also for added gun controls and background checks, and am just as much for gay marriage... Why does everyone insist on stereotyping an entire party? (I vote Republican mainly because I like to keep my hard earned money!)

  • Plenty Coups Jul 5, 2013

    "This isn't anti-abortion legislation, it's a pro-health change..."

    A complete lie. You and the legislation aren't fooling anybody. It basically disqualifies every abortion clinic in the state except one which was its only intent.

  • bill0 Jul 5, 2013

    "What a misleading title...there isn't anything anti about this bill. It supports better health care for women all over NC, and isn't that what everyone wants? "

    Not sure why people want to lie about this.

    Statistically, abortion is a safer procedure for the mother than giving birth. Giving birth is the most dangerous thing most women will ever do. If the bill was really about women's safety, it would be calling for every pregnant woman to get an abortion.

  • lovelarvae Jul 5, 2013

    "This isn't anti-abortion legislation, it's a pro-health change..."

    Oh come on. It's obvious the entire point of these 'regulations' is to restrict abortion access. It is very much anti-abortion, and anyone trying to frame it otherwise is either dishonest or gullible.

  • Whatever27 Jul 5, 2013

    What a misleading title...there isn't anything anti about this bill. It supports better health care for women all over NC, and isn't that what everyone wants? The opposition to this clearly comes from the fact that it was brought up by the GOP. Had the democratic party pushed this, pro-lifers would be all over this.

  • Whatever27 Jul 5, 2013

    "Another slanted article title. This isn't anti-abortion legislation, it's a pro-health change to ensure women are given better care when choosing abortion. Why are so many opposed to this bill? It's putting in place restrictions and procedures that should have already existed."- Jeffjohnson123

    Spot on!

  • Whatever27 Jul 5, 2013

    ritablueboys1-Gee, I didn't know being raped should have made someone responsible for being pregnant? Smh...

    Gee, I didn't know 55 million women were being raped every year...Guess, I'd better not leave the house...

  • jeffjohnson123 Jul 5, 2013

    Another slanted article title. This isn't anti-abortion legislation, it's a pro-health change to ensure women are given better care when choosing abortion. Why are so many opposed to this bill? It's putting in place restrictions and procedures that should have already existed.

  • ritablueboys1 Jul 5, 2013

    And since the Republicans are trying to control our lives and bodies, I wonder how many kids are they willing to take care of especially the children of color and disabled children?

  • ritablueboys1 Jul 5, 2013

    How about preserving life instead of taking it because of your irresponsibility. Stop making excuses for things you have control over. -Navigate life

    Gee, I didn't know being raped should have made someone responsible for being pregnant? Smh...

  • dwntwnboy2 Jul 5, 2013

    "The GOP clearly hasn't thought this through to it's logical conclusion"- They rarely do.

  • dwntwnboy2 Jul 5, 2013

    " Planned Parenthood and lawmakers don't care about women they are greedy abortionists"- those horrible people. How dare they have a business that over 90% of it isn't abortions, but rather preventative care for women and those in need. To say PP is all about abortions is to say NASCAR is all about the wrecks- fun to say, but not even remotely near the truth.

  • dwntwnboy2 Jul 5, 2013

    All the folks that are FOR this shouldn't have ANY problem with added gun controls and background checks. It's all about safety right? If it's a good enough excuse to limit a woman's right to medical care, should be MORE than a good enough excuse to use for increased background checks and tougher penalties for gun crimes. If it's REALLY about the safety and well being, then a couple more rules on guns is no different than a couple more rules on abortions. Someone told me the other day, it's not "restrictions", it's "regulations"- no one is taking away anyone's right to own a gun, just making it harder to get. It's all very similar.

  • saturn5 Jul 5, 2013

    Come on GOP, it's the economy stupid! Leave the "moral" legislation alone. If you're going to legislate based on faith, you should take a moment to read the First Amendment. I know it applies to Congress, but you might want to pay attention.

  • unclegrits Jul 4, 2013

    How do kill something that is unborn? Show me a law that says abortion kills. Despite conservatives view of things we live in a natio of laws not spoon fed opinions from talk radio.

  • Mousey Jul 4, 2013

    "What we’re taking away is the rights of an industry to have substandard conditions."

    Funny, considering as a platform position, Republicans are bent on deregulating absolutely everything, including plenty of substandard business conditions--but this particular case is totally OK to regulate and micromanage. Never mind that they couldn't cite a single complaint based on these new regulations, too. Glad to know legislators, most of whom can never have an abortion, know so much about the process and facilities!

    The takeaway: lobby harder, pro-choice groups, so you too can completely steamroll safety conditions like big businesses can.

  • adamsindependent Jul 4, 2013

    "I guess you want to see more women die. :(" Snakelady

    Women are dying due to abortions, too, the "back alley" doctors now have their own offices. Women who have abortions are often filled with guilt and misery and require counseling and "pro choice" proponents cover it up for the sake of supporting propaganda. Planned Parenthood and lawmakers don't care about women they are greedy abortionists who are really behind the curtain of "women's rights". It's a corporate machine that exploits women in desperate situations... wake-up!

  • Teacher-Scientist Jul 4, 2013

    What I find most interesting in this article is the statement by legislative staff that only 1 abortion clinic in the state out of 36 (the article said 3 dozen) could meet the new standards. If so, that is scary. However, it seems relatively straightforward to implement: abortion clinics will have to step it up in order to make the procedure safer/better.

    Abortion, however, still is murder.

  • wgadstar Jul 4, 2013

    WRAL, censoring is not an ideal of anybody living in the U.S.A. today.

    Not an opinion.

    Words do mean what they need to.

  • wgadstar Jul 4, 2013

    WRAL get straight with Facts right now.

    I'm not asking.

  • pedsrndad Jul 4, 2013

    As usual, liberals are crying about education of the "mothers" that choose abortion rather than carrying to term. These new rules do not prohibit abortion, they merely require that everyone involved knows exactly what is happening, everyone except of course the aborted child. Why are the liberals so upset?, because they object to any government or regulatory interference in the exercise of "free will" unless that interference advances the liberal agenda of government control over all (for their own good of course).

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "Yes!! Finally the state is moving forward!!" -jblake1932

    Forward, to the 18th century!!!

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "You wanted Republicans in charge, this is what you get!"
    --jmanarc

    Repubs campaigned jobs/economy. We're all STILL waiting for them to get around to it. Basically, they're not doing what they were elected for. I only wish they devoted 1/2 as much energy to job creation as they have been devoting to this.

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "so an RN or pharmacist can't write a prescription but a local medical hack with no degree can perform an abortion...and you liberals are ok with that? You REALLY hate women. --arfamr1008

    Provide your source for the training requirements of abortion providers. Plainly, show us where it says that a "local medical hack with no degree" is allowed to perform abortions.

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "LOL at the idea that abortion is a "healthcare option". what a crock" --arfamr1008

    Well, if pregnancy is considered a medical condition (it is), then that is indeed a treatment for that condition. So, it's not a medical condition? Then why does a pregnancy require medical care? It should not, right? It's a waste of resources to medically treat something that's not a medical condition, right?

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    I understand this now. This isn't about safety for women... coupled with the new tax plan, this makes sense.

    Since the tax burden is being shifted to the middle class and poor, more middle class/poor people are going to be needed to pay the taxes needed to cover your cuts. And this is how you get them. Brilliant!

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "There is not radical about this bill. No one's being refused access to any form of healthcare. But it's asking for more accountability from abortion providers. Everything they're asking from the clinic is everything they ask from any other doctor who performs outpatient surgical procedures." --freedomrings

    BS. I work in healthcare, and I can tell you that "admitting privileges" aren't handed out to doctors freely. And, since that basically shuts down just about all facilities performing this, you've indirectly refused someone healthcare. Plenty of outpatient procedures are performed in clinics that could not meet this criteria, but since it's not abortions, you don't care. No matter how you paint it or spin it, that's what's going to happen, just as intended.

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    "WRAL, this is not an anti-abortion bill, why must you always show your liberal slant? Why not call it what it is, and ABORTION SAFETY BILL!!!!!" --scvmcdoc

    Well, if by safety you mean making it impossible to find a facility that meets all the requirements to perform one, then I guess you're right.

  • irishale Jul 4, 2013

    ""If one more piece of legislation comes from Jones Street that's not DIRECTLY related to creating jobs, we should initiate recalls."

    Why wait? Couldn't be that you don't actually mean that, could it?" --Pagan Patriot

    If you think there's enough support now, let's go for it... it's obvious these clowns aren't any different from the last bunch.

  • nc creature Jul 4, 2013

    "Aborting by sex of the baby? This isn't China."

    So would you say then, that what China forces on it's people is wrong?
    davework

    Excellent point.

  • Krimson Jul 4, 2013

    mep: "there are FAR more cultural issues in the Netherlands regarding sexual activity"

    I live in NL for a while. Tell us, what "issues" do the Dutch have???

  • Krimson Jul 4, 2013

    mep: "its about money."

    If its not "about money", why were you initially concerned about the cost to the tax-payer? You brought up the fact that tax-payer money is an issue, I'm calling you out on it: which is going to cost more money? Taking care of the extra children of those that can't afford to go to the one remaining clinic in NC, or providing low cost and safe abortions to those that can do so, as is their right?

  • RunsWithWolves Jul 3, 2013

    The GOP crusade against abortions means more poor non-white babies will be born.......which usually means more Democrats being born.......which usually means more dependency on Gov services. The GOP clearly hasn't thought this through to it's logical conclusion.

  • bullblood9 Jul 3, 2013

    How many anti abortion people are willing to spend their money to build an Orphanage? Very Few

  • dmcfadyen146 Jul 3, 2013

    Lets make it simple the goverment gives you birth control ok we have done our part. Next abortion fine go ahead its you body so you pay for it not us. Who cares? Now if you beleive in GOD then you can say he does now thats between you and him.If you don't beleive in abortion you are wasting to much money and time trying to stop it. We should focus on why it happens in the first place. There is no reason that a woman should have a unwanted pregnacy. Heres why it happens for the most part. In a person mind they will have little Fin impact on their actions. You take goverment care out of having a kid and put it back on the persons the unwanted pregnacy , child birth, and abortion would drop like a rock first year.

  • MizzZeta Jul 3, 2013

    Can't wait for all of the jobs that will come from this legislation! So glad we have a Republican-led legislature!

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