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THECROWFLIES May 23, 4:37 p.m.
People keep saying he is so very smart and such a good kid, Eagle Scout and all. Wow, how not so smart is it to bring two guns to school and then go tell on yourself? This kid is just the opposite of smart! He is indeed lucky to get off with a Misdemeanor conviction and he can still graduate this year. Plus with a misdemeanor conviction he can still own guns. With a felony conviction he couldn't own guns. Lucky, very, very lucky! I hope he learns from this.
reesesbrewcrew May 17, 4:49 p.m.
WOW whats the truth on all this HPLACEFARM comments about him seselling drugs???? got to more to all this that media both profession reporting and socail media have wrong!!
ripetomatoes May 17, 4:20 p.m.
I'm still confused. Why did he bring them to school in the first place? Did he do it on purpose or did he actually accidentally leave them in the car? mystica131
Committed a felony.
Got off lucky.
rroadrunner99 May 17, 4:17 p.m.
This still does not explain why the school administration official wasn't charged when she had a gun in her car. If an excuse could get her off then why couldn't it get someone else off?
jackflash123 May 17, 3:47 p.m.
"Willful and deliberate stumbling? Interesting."
Mind is willing but the flesh is weak. Why would it be considered a sin if it was an accident in the first place? Intent matters, and Christians believe they are forgiven for sins.
"Yes I do."
Well, I guess we're done here.
mystica131 May 17, 3:33 p.m.
I'm still confused. Why did he bring them to school in the first place? Did he do it on purpose or did he actually accidentally leave them in the car?
Lightfoot3 May 17, 3:22 p.m.
"There's a difference ... between walking the walk and never being allowed to stumble" - jackflash123
Willful and deliberate stumbling? Interesting. :)
"you don't get to decide whether someone is Christian or not" - jackflash123
Yes I do. If someone claims to be a State fan, but always wears blue and cheers for Carolina, I'll say they aren't a State fan. If someone claims to be a Christian, but doesn't live a Christian lifestyle, I'll say they aren't a Christian. It ain't that hard to tell the difference.
jackflash123 May 17, 3:07 p.m.
There's a difference, Lightfoot, between walking the walk and never being allowed to stumble.
You can decide which Christians you will and won't respect, but you don't get to decide whether someone is Christian or not.
Lightfoot3 May 17, 3:00 p.m.
"Who gets to judge" - jackflash123
Lest ye be judged! I'm just fine with people judging me with the same yardstick I use for them!
"Christians AREN'T better" - jackflash123
So what's the point? If they lie, cheat, steal, etc., it's all the same in the end.
"hold them to a higher standard anyway" - jackflash123
If people claim to be Christian, yet don't walk the walk, they aren't TRUE Christians. If you claim it, then live it!
For the record, I was born and raised Christian, in a church founded/pastored by family. I'm now an atheist.
Mom2two May 17, 2:51 p.m.
davidk_at-unc: thank you for saying that about Eagle Scouts. I know several Eagle Scouts, some who are very deserving of that type of honor and several who are not. Because I did not know any Eagle Scouts (that I knew of) before about 10 years ago, I didn't really know what was involved, and I took it to be something extremely distinguished, but, sadly, it is often like any other "checkmark" on a to-do list for some. I suppose it is that way with most things and young people.
3TeensGrowinUp2Fast May 17, 2:27 p.m.
I think more was made of this than needed to be. Thankfully, he didn't bring the guns to school to harm anyone. Suspension was fitting, but enough w/the media coverage already. Let this young man and his family have some peace now. Sheesh.
jackflash123 May 17, 2:04 p.m.
"Under my philosophy, if they willfully, purposely sin...then they are not TRUE Christians..."
If you're speaking AS a Christian yourself, I'd advise you to look further into what the Bible says about Who gets to judge, and that thing about the plank in your own eye. If you're NOT a Christian yourself, you're still incorrect, just w/o the irony.
"Why is being a Christian...supposed to be a badge of honor in society when they behave just like every one else?"
Well, that's actually the point. Christians who ACT as if they're better than everyone else are committing the sin of pride. Christians AREN'T better than anyone else, and you don't have to meet all kinds of criteria to earn an invite. That's a beautiful thing about Christianity, not a flaw.
I find it ironic that non-Christians (don't know if that includes you, specifically, Lightfoot) often rip Christians for acting as if they're better than others (which they should do), but then try to hold them to a higher standard anyway.
ezLikeSundayMorning May 17, 1:55 p.m.
I jumped to his defense, but it wasn't blindly. His made up story sounds more likely than the truth. It seems he planned to make it a media event from the start. My uderstanding is that local gov't can release personnel information to avoid harming the public's trust, it should be the same with schools about students.
davidk_at_unc May 17, 1:48 p.m.
"The very FIRST Scout Law is being trustworthy." -- Lightfoot3
Just for the record, there is only ONE Scout Law. It has 12 parts, but there is only one! For everyone expressing your shock and disappointment over the behavior of an Eagle Scout, I'll remind you that boys reach this rank by completing a prescribed course of achievement. There is no "trial by fire" or any sort of beatification process involved. They are kids like any other kids with perhaps a little more determination and desire to achieve. Keep in mind, however, that more often than not, it's the parents pushing for this achievement more than the boys. Don't try to make more of it that it is.
Minarchist May 17, 1:40 p.m.
"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - John 8:32
dwntwnboy2 May 17, 1:25 p.m.
"LETS MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THE CHRISTIAN, HONOR SCOUT, STRAIGHT A STUDENT, WITH GOOD CLASS ATTENDANCE"- as well they should. He BROKE THE LAW. Doesn't matter his religion, after school activities or attendance, he BROKE THE LAW- and THEN lied about it to get public support for his actions. He SHOULD be made an example of- as in "this is an example of what NOT to do". He learned his lesson the hard way. The school did what they were supposed to do in a situation like this.
original intent May 17, 1:22 p.m.
He's just following the EXAMPLE of our ELECTED Leaders--Lie Like a Dog if u get Caught--Perhaps he'll be President one day!!
whatelseisnew May 17, 1:22 p.m.
""All those who leapt to the kid's defense did so blindly."
Not really. The kid should not have lied and given the lie, his actions are confusing to me. Obviously, he was not intending to do anyone harm, so seeing that he knew the weapons were in the truck, why go into the school? Why not just drive back home? Was he foolish to think the Government agents inhabiting the school would not inform on him, while at the same time they did not have one of their own arrested? Well, he paid the price and now he has a record. I am still waiting for the arrest of and trial of the assistant principal.
original intent May 17, 1:21 p.m.
He had to admit wrong doing to get it plead down from a felony to a misdemeanor..plus he HAS to go to the alternative school to finish--another part of the plea deal..to keep a felony off his record..thats Ok this DA is out the door come next election anyway:)
JimmyPhillipsSr May 17, 1:16 p.m.
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you....But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses"~Matthew 6:14-15......"If you judge people, you have no time to love them"~Mother Teresa
Lightfoot3 May 17, 1:11 p.m.
“Actually, TRUE Christians commit just about every sin there is every day.” – jackflash123
Under my philosophy, if they willfully, purposely sin, especially with no regrets until caught, then they are not TRUE Christians. Oh sure, they talk the talk, go to church, and other various church social outings, but rarely do you find one that WALKS the WALK. If the only way you can tell a “Christian” from a non-Christian is because they say, “I’m a Christian”, then something ain’t right.
Why is being a Christian and/or Eagle Scout supposed to be a badge of honor in society when they behave just like every one else?
Barfly May 17, 1:05 p.m.
I see some are still defending a liar and continue to make excuses to somehow rationalize and justify Cole's actions.
Forgiveness is for those that are truly sorry for their actions. Forgiveness isn't something due just because you were caught lying. Take your licks and move on.
Minarchist May 17, 12:57 p.m.
"All those who leapt to the kid's defense did so blindly."
And if you have been coming to WRAL over the last few years you would notice some of the same people defending this kid were trying to RIP APART a poor girl for "breaking the rules" for wearing a nose ring. A NOSE RING!!!!! But a GUN?? He was being "honest". It goes to show how agendas overrule logic and common sense. Yes religion is an agenda.
Minarchist May 17, 12:54 p.m.
"TRUE Christians do not willfully lie" - LIGHTFOOT
They tell their own kids some strange guy will be coming down their chimney to bring gifts, eat cookies, and drink the milk, only if the child is good of course. They lie from day one. A planned lie. A prepared lie. Im not sure why they teach lying is a sin when they lie to their own children.
ripetomatoes May 17, 12:49 p.m.
I don't think he lied, I think they had him say this to save face for a lot of people, it became too public and he has a lot of supporters. lfields2
Sometimes it is better to just admit you were wrong.
mbhaller May 17, 12:30 p.m.
I'm sorry this young man had to learn his lesson the hard way, but as a resident of JoCo, I'm extremely PROUD of our school board, Sheriff, and Distric Atty. for conducting the case appropriately and with the integrity their respective positions require. They endured far too much unwarranted criticism and nat'l scrutiny from kneejerk responders, incldg the media, who only had one side of the story. I applaud them for maintaining their professional composure under great personal stress, and thank them for their exemplary service. Our county is so fortunate...
jackflash123 May 17, 12:27 p.m.
"Let’s see, the bible seems to condemn false witnessing (i.e. lies). The very FIRST Scout Law is being trustworthy. TRUE Christians do not willfully lie. A devoted Eagle Scout would not willfully break Scout laws. Being a Christian or an Eagle Scout should mean something, but in today’s society they are just tin badges. You know people by their works, not by their labels."
Actually, TRUE Christians commit just about every sin there is every day. They -- we -- are human, flawed, and no different than any other human as far as our nature and challenges go. Maybe that kind of thing gets you kicked out of the Scouts; I don't know. But a key tenet of Christianity is forgiveness, so just about any time you say "a TRUE Christian would NEVER EVER, NOT ONCE..." you're likely to be wrong.
Justic4All May 17, 12:18 p.m.
Can't even trust an Eagle Scout.. I am very disappointed. Youngsters have lost all moral values. Someone will demand and get a law passed to make telling a lie a felony.
Phenylalanine May 17, 12:11 p.m.
I did not really take a stand either way, but things would have worked out a lot better if he would have taken responsibility for his actions and confessed the truth from the start. It would have avoided the whole media frenzy and he probably would have gotten a lighter sentence. Now he will be branded a liar and not to be trusted.
I remember the quote "Sometimes your life is best used as an example to others of what not to do."
editor8 May 17, 12:10 p.m.
I said from the get-go there was something fishy in this story. Knowing the community, if the kid was on the up-and-up, we would never have heard a peep about this. Mom would have taken the guns home, case closed. All those who leapt to the kid's defense did so blindly. I said from the beginning that if this boy had more melanin in his skin, they'd be screaming for his head.
Mom2two May 17, 12:03 p.m.
If people will read ALL the article (including the links with the written statements of Cole and of the Administration) you'll find out that very little of what was initially reported is true, except that he indeed had weapons on campus. He never went to the admin to tell them he "mistakenly" left them in the car. There was nothing in the real truth that indicated he showed any character at all, except in his apology/admission.
unpublished_1 May 17, 11:26 a.m.
He got his 5 minutes of fame & brought a bunch of followers with him! He should be punished worse bc of the uproar he has caused in that town!
Lightfoot3 May 17, 11:07 a.m.
“but they mostly were fully involved with the lies.” – Bbopping
If I were a betting man, I’d bet they actually encouraged the lies. It’s hard to find a truly honest person these days. I guess I’m a dying breed. :)
Pretzel Logic May 17, 11:04 a.m.
RE : Wait, wait, wait! You mean he PURPOSELY brought guns to school?! That means he willingly broke the law and deserves whatever legal punishment comes his way. But WHY did he tell administrators he had guns in his truck? If having the guns wasn’t an accident, why tell the school he had them?
I don't get it???
If he knew he had the guns in his ve-hickle, Why did he continue on to school rather than turn back to take them home? And why did he even say anything to anybody?
If he didn't remember he had the guns until he actually arrived at school, or shortly afterwards, again, why did he say anything to anybody, he should have left and carried them home,
If he purposely carried the guns to school with or without the intent to do harm,,, then why announce it?
Either way, A tardy or unexcused absence would have been much better than this mess...
Lightfoot3 May 17, 10:56 a.m.
“I did not realize that being a Christian and/or an Eagle Scout meant that you must always be perfect, not allowed to make a bad decision, use bad judgement, or make a mistake.” – JimmyPhillipsSr
Let’s see, the bible seems to condemn false witnessing (i.e. lies). The very FIRST Scout Law is being trustworthy. TRUE Christians do not willfully lie. A devoted Eagle Scout would not willfully break Scout laws. Being a Christian or an Eagle Scout should mean something, but in today’s society they are just tin badges. You know people by their works, not by their labels.
Its the who what May 17, 10:53 a.m.
He is a liar and a felon. He should have been expelled.
Pretzel Logic May 17, 10:53 a.m.
I see all the regulars out here today, banging their pots and pans, Hoot'n n' Hollar'n to'b sure they don't git cheated out of a hangin'
Some of you people just crack me up,,, the contradiction is deafn'n
jerrymprice May 17, 10:50 a.m.
These comments are exactly why "taking the deal" is worse than going through a trial.
678devilish May 17, 10:43 a.m.
Knowing that he lied, broke the law and really did not see consequences that was very light, just wondering will in life will we see his name in crime again? How do his friends and family see him now knowing all this?
driverkid3 May 17, 10:41 a.m.
What on earth is wrong with you all? The kid admitted he lied and was even texting about what his friends were going to do for him. You all are STILL defending him? HE ADMITTED TO A FELONY!
Lightfoot3 May 17, 10:39 a.m.
“Was the school over zealous? NO Hypocritical? YES” – OGE
From reading the article, the difference between him and the assistant principal seems to be that A) he purposely brought the guns to school, and B) he lied about it.
Lightfoot3 May 17, 10:37 a.m.
"I was not truthful...I did in fact know that the two shotguns were in my truck on school property.” – article
Wait, wait, wait! You mean he PURPOSELY brought guns to school?! That means he willingly broke the law and deserves whatever legal punishment comes his way. But WHY did he tell administrators he had guns in his truck? If having the guns wasn’t an accident, why tell the school he had them?
678devilish May 17, 10:35 a.m.
If another kid decides to bring a gun on campus knowing it is wrong, how will the school handled it? Will it be the same as this story is saying? I don't think so. But time will tell. Hopefull no one will bring a gun on campus and follow all rules.
Bbopping May 17, 10:24 a.m.
This is our future! Very sad! He disrepected Law Enforcement and court/school officials. In Webster his piture is right next to the word PUNK! His parents should be ashame of him but they mostly were fully involved with the lies.
OGE May 17, 10:23 a.m.
While there is no doubt the kid lied and should be punished accordingly....
It still does not change the fact that this school did not do the same thing to one of its own teachers when they brought a gun to the school.
Was the school over zealous? NO Hypocritical? YES
irishale May 17, 10:15 a.m.
"I did not realize that being a Christian and/or an Eagle Scout meant that you must always be perfect, not allowed to make a bad decision, use bad judgement, or make a mistake. "
Honesty is part of the Scout code.... being an Eagle Scout doesn't mean you have to be perfect, but it DOES mean that you do not lie... especially lies of this magnitude.
Plenty Coups May 17, 10:13 a.m.
"NO, INSTEAD LETS MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THE CHRISTIAN, HONOR SCOUT, STRAIGHT A STUDENT, WITH GOOD CLASS ATTENDANCE AND A BRIGHT FUTURE!"
He broke the law and lied about it. Even worse, lots of people jumped on the bandwagon and blamed the school system for doing its job including you.
corgimom06 May 17, 10:13 a.m.
I think the only reason he came clean was because of the security footage that proved he lied about going out to his truck. Between that, the fact that one of the barrels was by the gas pedal so he had to know the guns were there and his comments when arrested he sounds like an entitled little punk. I would put money on him having helicopter parents that try to get him out of anything he does that is wrong. That is the impression that I get. Hopefully he learned his lesson.
678devilish May 17, 10:13 a.m.
Now he see his consequences. I just wonder how this issue will affect any other student down the road. This young man got off very light.
ripetomatoes May 17, 10:12 a.m.
Kirk Denning was a great person back when we were in high school together and a good friend.
I am proud of the way you handled this difficult situation.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03