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  • unknownreality4781 May 7, 12:39 p.m.

    The law that states that bicycles are treated as vehicles and must travel on roadways needs to be abolished. Roadways are for motor vehicles and need to stay that way. I always ride on the sidewalk even if it's against the law. Taking the chance of having to pay a small fine is a lot better than taking a chance on my life. When I ride my bike I treat the cars as if they come first and I come last. If I didn't then I would be putting my life in great danger.

  • winemaker81 May 7, 11:59 a.m.

    "I wouldn't ride a bike on Raleigh roads. I value my life too much and I have no problem with leaving the roads to cars and only riding on greenways." -- garyspear

    Absolutely agreed. I ride within my subdivision, no way I'd ride the narrow country roads outside of that, nor do I permit my children to do so. More cyclists on the roads will result in more needless deaths. Makes me think of an old limerick:

    Here lies the body of Dan O'Shea,
    Who died protecting his right of way.
    His right was clear,
    His will was strong,
    But he's just as dead
    as if he'd been wrong.

    The laws of physics have no loopholes, no matter how smart or tricky the lawyer ...

  • Mr William May 6, 7:35 p.m.

    Needed: modulated, flickering strobe-type lights at front/rear of bicycle that uses the streets. You gotta be visible to the distracted drivers in any type of conditions.

    And, maybe someday bicyclists will stop at stop signs!

  • Trekker May 6, 7:22 p.m.

    "Sadly I think you will hear about more bicyclers getting hit and run over by cars as the warm weather comes in. This is what, the third or fourth in a year or so?" Bartmeister

    Seriously though, bikes aren't going away. What it takes is both sides to respect each other’s rights to use the road. I ride on greenways and I ride on roads when I don't have the time to get to a greenway. Sometimes the greenway isn’t going where I want to go so I use the road. If I’m riding responsibly I don’t think that’s too much to ask that my rights be respected also.

  • Bartmeister May 6, 7:02 p.m.

    Sadly I think you will hear about more bicyclers getting hit and run over by cars as the warm weather comes in. This is what, the third or fourth in a year or so?

  • Trekker May 6, 6:58 p.m.

    "Just leave the streets to the big boys, no bike racks allowed."
    Bartmeister

    I always do, like I said, I ride wherever I want.

  • Bartmeister May 6, 6:41 p.m.

    No thanks needed because you'll never see it. Trekker

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    Just leave the streets to the big boys, no bike racks allowed.

  • Trekker May 6, 6:18 p.m.

    "Nope just bicycles on the streets. Thanks." Bartmeister

    No thanks needed because you'll never see it.

  • Trekker May 6, 6:17 p.m.

    "Cars on roads, bicycles in parks. See how easy it is?" Bartmeister

    Not at all. You want to ride in a park go for it. I'll ride wherever I want. I'll choose, not you, see how easy it is?

  • Bartmeister May 6, 5:46 p.m.

    what if that was a child? Should everyone write their legislator and have them outlawed too?
    Trekker

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    Nope just bicycles on the streets. Thanks.

  • Bartmeister May 6, 5:44 p.m.

    Hmmm… Somehow it never crossed your mind that you can own a bike AND a car. Wow!
    Trekker

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    Or yours..........Cars on roads, bicycles in parks. See how easy it is?

  • LastSon1981 May 6, 4:15 p.m.

    This story is a tragedy. I respect bike riders the ones that do it for fitness a lot more than the ones that do it for transportation. But what's the deal with them completely avoiding the bike lane and riding in the middle of the street. Sometimes with their back to traffic.

  • btneast May 6, 2:50 p.m.

    but a car with a driver that should see you and yield the right-of-way suddenly turns left in front of you, it's just not possible at a close distance.

    I can tell you from years of riding a motorcycle that drivers turning in front of you is a common occurrence. Also, drivers often pull out in front of you. You see them look right in your direction, look the other way, and then pull out right in front of you.

  • btneast May 6, 2:42 p.m.

    I disagree, average life expectancy for a cyclist is longer than for a non-cyclist

    I wasn't talking about overall life expectancy. The risk factor from cycling can't be calculated into life expectancy. You significantly increase your odds at being hit by a car may be more accurate.

  • Trekker May 6, 1:59 p.m.

    "But Cyclists pay all those gas Taxes for the roads.. Oh wait , nevermind...." mike275132

    Hmmm… Somehow it never crossed your mind that you can own a bike AND a car. Wow!

  • twbuckner May 6, 1:48 p.m.

    But Cyclists pay all those gas Taxes for the roads..

    >> correct, because most cyclists (excluding kids) are also motorists, own cars, houses, pay taxes, etc

  • ezLikeSundayMorning May 6, 1:48 p.m.

    I disagree, average life expectancy for a cyclist is longer than for a non-cyclist. Yes, some roads are risky than others, and no one is more aware of that than a cyclist, but sometimes its the only way to make a connection. In this case, he was on a good road.

  • deansquishman May 6, 1:35 p.m.

    Again the forum for these tragic events opens up the forum for all kinds of crazy---Driving is a priviledge licenced by the state that can be removed whenever the state deems a driver unsafe---Cycling / Walking / Horse and buggy / Scooters / Segue / E.L.F. are all alternative ways of traveling that are used in the triangle that also have to follow rules of safety---Driving is the most expensive and destructive to the roads of all these and it would only take a dollar or 2 rise in gas prices to suddenly make any one of these other modes of movement more attractive to drivers---Everybody needs to respect each others need to travel and not behave as if something you are entitled to has been taken away---It was never yours to begin with---Study these accidents and learn from them

  • btneast May 6, 1:31 p.m.

    In this state, bike riders have as much right to use a road as the automobile users do.

    Yes, but it doesn't mean its a wise thing to do. In an ideal world, all motor vehicles would coexist safely with all bicycles, but it is not an ideal world. When you bike on congested/narrow roadways that carry motor vehicles as well, you significantly decrease your odds at survival. Its really just that simple.

  • ezLikeSundayMorning May 6, 1:31 p.m.

    Either or both can be at fault in any given wreck, but make no mistake, the driver was at fault in this wreck. It was still light and the driver failed to see a cyclist approaching. I'll ditch the bike if I can, but a car with a driver that should see you and yield the right-of-way suddenly turns left in front of you, it's just not possible at a close distance.

  • Honesty first May 6, 1:20 p.m.

    baldchip...please inform me of how the rider of the bike was showing disrespect. He was in a bike lane ons a road designated for Bikes. I just do not understand what some people are trying to say here.

  • Honesty first May 6, 1:17 p.m.

    luv2funrun.....He was in the Bike lane and probably doing 20MPH. The driver of the car turned in front of him. Who is at fault...the driver of the car. If you don;t like the law that allows Bikes on streets, particularly in Bike Lanes, change the law. Until then try following what the law states. I am sure that the less regulation Legislature we have will be glad to make a new regulation and control our lives even more. Such hypocrites.

  • gordonbabe May 6, 1:02 p.m.

    A bike rider was unable to avoid an oncoming car? I'm really not trying to blame the rider at all, but seriously? Looks like in any situation such as this... ditching the bike & taking the road rash would have been a better solution.

    Stronger education for bikers AND drivers is a must and if it was so dark... Did he not have lights on the FRONT of the bike? Even if it was dark, the car probably had headlights on at that time, but maybe not.

    Responsibility to SHARE the road goes BOTH ways and BOTH are at fault in this case. Doesn't matter who either was.

  • mike275132 May 6, 1:02 p.m.

    But Cyclists pay all those gas Taxes for the roads..

    Oh wait , nevermind....

  • Preebok May 6, 12:37 p.m.

    Cyclists impede traffic, period. I don't know why they are allowed on the road nor do I know why they want to be. They lose when bike and car collides, regardless if they had the same 'rights' as the vehicle to be there. Also, a few months ago, I had to patiently wait to get around 5 or 6 cyclists on Creedmoor Road between the Hardee's and Glenwood Rd. Then, when I got to the stop light at Glenwood, the 'blanks' pulled up ahead of and beside me, passing other cars. ALL OF THEM. I wanted to turn right when the light turned, but I had to wait for the ones in front of me to get going at their 1 MPH and they wouldn't even break between them to let me turn right, even though I was there first and should NOT have even had them in my space!! They passed all the vehicles that had already had to pass them once when we came to the stop light.

  • twbuckner May 6, 12:33 p.m.

    Building more bike lanes is a great way to get new cyclists on the roads. However, they are also maintenance burdens on the city. Without car tires moving thru them, they collect debris which over time make it difficult to ride in. I have found myself riding in the normal traffic lane when the bike lane has obstructions or clutter (which is legal and safer in those conditions). There is a cost to keeping them maintained.

  • hihuwatlu May 6, 12:18 p.m.

    Glueck said. "Don't be scared of the cars. Know where you are, pay attention to what is going on, and you will be fine."

    I'm sure Mr. Mangum was paying attention and knew where he was but he isn't fine. And Mr. Castelloe probably thought he was paying attention too but somehow did not see the bicyclist. Now, he will have to live with the guilt of knowing he killed someone as well as the legal consequences. Bad situation for everyone.

  • Trekker May 6, 12:11 p.m.

    “You make far too many assumptions about situations of which you know nothing.” winemaker81

    Negative. If you are driving faster than your ability to react to environmental factors you are in fact traveling to fast for the conditions. Where’s the assumption?

  • Trekker May 6, 12:11 p.m.

    "Children have enough sense not to ride their bicycles on major roads. Take notes." Billfisher

    Yes, of course. I'm sure they do. Maybe we should do away with everything that interferes with societies self-absorbed driving habits. Great Idea! No notes needed.

  • garyspear May 6, 12:03 p.m.

    I wouldn't ride a bike on Raleigh roads.
    I value my life too much and I have no problem with leaving the
    roads to cars and only riding on greenways.

  • luv2funrun May 6, 11:59 a.m.

    And what's with cyclist that choose to get in the road when there is "CLEARLY" a bike trail right there designated for them? Not to mention the road is a narrow two lane stretch. An example is the bike trail near the museum off Blue Ridge road that crosses Edwards Mill. Talk about disrespect!! An accident waiting to happen.

  • Zorg May 6, 11:51 a.m.

    I've been cycling Raleigh for almost 20 years and have seen a great deal of progress - a lot more cyclists and much more respect from motorists. Having said that, I do most of my cycling on the greenways now (much more plentiful) and avoid the major thoroughfares because there are still drivers out there who simply do not pay attention.

  • dirkdiggler May 6, 11:28 a.m.

    I can sum up the argument from both sides of the fence here.... "It's all about ME!" When people start worrying less about what others can do for them, and more about what they can do for others, this will be a non-issue. Cyclists- behave and don't do stupid stuff on the roads. You're making the rest of us look bad. Drivers- be considerate and concerned with the safety of those humans on two wheels. Pass when it's safe, and don't pass aggressively to 'make a point'.

    It's pathetic how much people are only concerned with themselves. I just don't understand it.

  • jsok123 May 6, 11:23 a.m.

    "...Let's talk more about respecting others on the roads around the Triangle!!..."

    Amen to that, though it will never happen. It's just the way people here are.

  • jsok123 May 6, 11:22 a.m.

    Because of the nature of some of the posts here as well as the murderous way people in Raleigh drive, I quit riding my bicycle over 10 years ago. I used to ride about 100 miles a week just around Raleigh. Bicyclists, please beware.

  • baldchip May 6, 11:17 a.m.

    What is missing between some in both camps is respect for others!! We all must find ways to GET ALONG!!! A car running into a cyclist because the car has the right of way is foolish-and as proven by Mr Mangum's death-can lead to tragic accidents.

    I have had to deal with some cyclists on the country roads of Orange Co. They will take up most of 1 lane of a country road and expect cars and trucks to give in to them. that can be deadly as well.

    Let's talk more about respecting others on the roads around the Triangle!!

  • winemaker81 May 6, 11:06 a.m.

    I watch for cyclists but have nearly hit some simply because I couldn't see them. Even wearing a neon vest. Everyone -- write your legislators and ask them to change the law.” winemaker81

    "That’s a pretty lame argument. Obviously someone was traveling too fast for the conditions, what if that was a child? Should everyone write their legislator and have them outlawed too?" -- Trekker

    I did not make an argument, I stated a fact. Again, slight difference ...

    You make far too many assumptions about situations of which you know nothing.

  • Billfisher May 6, 10:48 a.m.

    what if that was a child? Should everyone write their legislator and have them outlawed too?
    Trekker

    Children have enough sense not to ride their bicycles on major roads. Take notes.

  • mistervegas May 6, 10:47 a.m.

    It is not safe for bicycles to be on busy roads where the speeds are in excess of 35 MPH. It would help if the bicycle lanes actually had painted lines like other lanes. The bicycle symbol is not enough.

  • Trekker May 6, 10:37 a.m.

    I watch for cyclists but have nearly hit some simply because I couldn't see them. Even wearing a neon vest. Everyone -- write your legislators and ask them to change the law.” winemaker81

    That’s a pretty lame argument. Obviously someone was traveling too fast for the conditions, what if that was a child? Should everyone write their legislator and have them outlawed too?

  • Bendal1 May 6, 10:23 a.m.

    In this state, bike riders have as much right to use a road as the automobile users do. Doesn't matter if you like it or not; every non-freeway in this state allows bikes to use it just like cars and trucks.

  • ConcernedNCC May 6, 10:15 a.m.

    The question isn't whether the riders have the right to be there, they do. The problem is that all drivers get distracted at some point and might drift in the lane from a momentary lapse in concentration off and on (Heck, I've seen plenty that let a tire leave the road when distracted). All it takes is a small swerve from a second of lapsed attention at the wrong time and what would be a "fender-bender" if another car is hit, becomes a fatality if it's a biker. I wouldn't ride a bike on most roads out of concern for those accidental swerves more than any hostile drivers.

  • winemaker81 May 6, 9:55 a.m.

    "Here’s some food for thought, if one party expect someone to respect the rights to own firearms, it might do you well to reciprocate and respect others rights to ride a bike on the road." -- Trekker

    Owning firearms is a constitutionally mandated right. Driving on the road is a privilege. Slight difference there ....

  • winemaker81 May 6, 9:53 a.m.

    “the bike riders don't get it...why would you put yourself on a busy road and then ask cars moving 45-55 mph to share the road with you.” ProzacDispenser

    "Apparently you’re the one that doesn’t get it. Nobody’s “asking“ you to share the road, it’s mandatory, it’s the law." -- Trekker

    I believe ProzacDispenser is talking about personal safety. You are the one who doesn't get it.

  • Trekker May 6, 9:43 a.m.

    “If Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities of the road, then they should have to register their bicycle and pay highway taxes like for automobiles. And, that includes those scooters too. I don't think roads were paved and maintained for bicycles.” 45ACP

    Most cyclists do pay highway taxes like for automobiles because most cyclists DO have automobiles. Roads are paved and maintained for transit, including cycles. Maybe you’ve seen signs “share the road”? Here’s some food for thought, if one party expect someone to respect the rights to own firearms, it might do you well to reciprocate and respect others rights to ride a bike on the road.

  • BubbaDukeforPresident May 6, 9:32 a.m.

    There are far more cars on the road today than there were when I was growing up. We rode bicycles on the sidewalks. This is a case where common sense takes a back seat to special interests. Bikes should not be on the road. They are a hazard to traffic, especially on narrow, rural highways. Riding a bicycle on a highway is just plain stupid.

  • Trekker May 6, 9:32 a.m.

    “the bike riders don't get it...why would you put yourself on a busy road and then ask cars moving 45-55 mph to share the road with you.” ProzacDispenser

    Apparently you’re the one that doesn’t get it. Nobody’s “asking “ you to share the road, it’s mandatory, it’s the law.

  • RustyDawg May 6, 9:23 a.m.

    I ride a motorcycle on my commute. I can't imagine being on a bicycle in this traffic. At least a motorcycle can keep up with the speed of traffic but, we have some very poor and rude drivers on our roads. Of course my favorite are the cell phone users and texters. We have no enforcible cell phone laws so, riders beware!

  • winemaker81 May 6, 9:20 a.m.

    Bicycles don't belong on any road where the speed limit is greater than 35, and even then they should not have rights to be there that supersedes motor vehicles.

    Why? First reason is physics. When a multi-ton vehicle hits a cyclist, even at low speeds, the result is never good for the cyclist. The car doesn't win ... but the cyclist certainly loses. It does not matter if the driver was careful or aggressive, everyone loses.

    I drive a rural highway daily and have frequent encounters with cyclists. Most ride carefully, but that doesn't help on a narrow winding road with speed limits of 45+, especially in the morning and afternoon when the shadows are long. I watch for cyclists but have nearly hit some simply because I couldn't see them. Even wearing a neon vest.

    There there are the nuts, like the guy who ran a stoplight Saturday, forcing me to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting him.

    Everyone -- write your legislators and ask them to change the law.

  • ezLikeSundayMorning May 6, 9:13 a.m.

    Just care. It's not hard. Come into any interaction caring about other people and those interactions will be better. As a cyclist, I care if a car has trouble getting past me. As a driver, I care about that cyclist's safety.

    Every time there are stories like this the comments get really heated, but I suspect most people do care, they just don't want to have to worry about it or ever feel bad.

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