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  • Six String Mar 26, 3:33 p.m.

    Whatever happened to the conservative concept that government can't do anything right? I guess that must not apply in this case.

  • Bartmeister Mar 26, 1:31 p.m.

    Yeah, get all the advantages and then quit paying for them. Classy.

    babbleon

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    Ahhhhh yeah.....Hello?

  • goldenosprey Mar 26, 12:47 p.m.

    "What parents want the status quo to stay the same in the hands of the liberals with their agendas? The clueless parents?"

    Most of them. The ones who voted for the school board. When republicans don't get what they want they 1. seek to limit votes with targeted voter suppression. 2. Gerrymander to such an absurd degree they hold super majorities in the state senate even though dem candidates got more votes statewide 3. Seek election nullification by post-hoc shortening terms and confiscation due authority.

  • NoMoreOfThat Mar 26, 12:16 p.m.

    No kidding, calling it a misleading headline is being nice.

    What parents want the status quo to stay the same in the hands of the liberals with their agendas? The clueless parents?

    Take this and anything else away from this school board as soon and often as you can.

  • BarnBrat Mar 26, 12:16 p.m.

    County governments have always had the legal obligation to fund school construction/maintenance (nevermind operations). A quick peek at the Wake County's balance sheet will show you that they have millions and millions of dollars of bond debt on their books (a liability) for school construction, and NO offsetting assets, as the assets (buildings themselves) are on the books of WCPSS. Nobody knows better than the WCPSS staff the needs of the students/teachers as far as buildings go (planning, constructing, etc), however the programs could definitely be run more efficiently. Without the county governments being given oversight of these programs, they are totally powerless to do anything about it. I believe if the legislation passes, much if not all of the WCPSS staff in school/maintenance divisions would keep their same jobs, would just have a different boss. I'm all for it. Increased efficiency in the construction/maintenance programs mean more money available for the students.

  • Grand Union Mar 26, 11:41 a.m.

    "Wow! Misleading headline! As a Wake county parent I definitely DO NOT want the school board to have control of one more thing concerning my children."

    Its not one more....its a power thay already have and have had for a long time.

    "Please take more power AWAY from these people. Please! The power they are allowed to have and misuse is unreal."

    examples please?

  • beaupeep Mar 26, 10:01 a.m.

    KenD: WRAL mixed up the storys/comments at some point.

  • goldenosprey Mar 26, 9:30 a.m.

    Can't wrap your reactionary minds around the fact you are in the minority? The School board was duly elected by the People to oversee the schools and your right wing power grab is tacky and counter- productive

  • Ken D. Mar 26, 9:26 a.m.

    Why are there so many comments on this story that refer to the Dix lease? What does that have to do with Wake schools?

  • beaupeep Mar 26, 8:37 a.m.

    "TWO parents want Wake school buildings to remain under board's control"

    Fixed that for you.

  • nashkaty Mar 25, 10:32 p.m.

    Wow! Misleading headline! As a Wake county parent I definitely DO NOT want the school board to have control of one more thing concerning my children. Please take more power AWAY from these people. Please! The power they are allowed to have and misuse is unreal.

  • handbasket Mar 25, 9:47 p.m.

    The Wake County school board made a bad choice in firing Tony Tata. They cannot be trusted to make school building decisions with my tax money.

  • williamgamble1 Mar 25, 9:37 p.m.

    I have never seen WRAL this biased. Opinions are stated as fact and there is no counter Opinion given for balance on a subject that does not have a right and wrong.

    Robert Seagle, a Wake County resident since 2002, said forcing a new election would be disruptive to the county's new assignment plan. So if the goal is to not be disruptive why de allow elections Mr Seagle, did it cause disruption when the Republican loss control?

    "We would be dragging Wake County to old days where the community is divided," Mr Seagle are you saying as long as people you support are in power the community is NOT divided? I think it is divided now.

  • gkgreene Mar 25, 8:25 p.m.

    The question that needs to be answered is which (Wake County or WCPSS) staff currently manages construction and maintenance of infrastructure more efficiently. Based on my exposure I have to vote for Wake County.

  • babbleon Mar 25, 8:19 p.m.

    All I know is a couple more years and we are done with Wake County Schools. And when that happens, moving out of Wake Co. for the tax relief. Bartmeister

    Yeah, get all the advantages and then quit paying for them. Classy.

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 6:58 p.m.

    jenjengirl89 - please! i dont knead your corecting. i can spell quit good. you're just out of touch with the mainstreeam and can't read. IT'S CALLED SHOCK VALUE - GET IT??

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 6:52 p.m.

    Exactly right they want to end public education, except for the students no one else wants.

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    Who can translate this to coherent language?

    Ask the N.C. NEA. They state NC kids are getting a top quality education!!

  • 4Strikes Mar 25, 6:51 p.m.

    "Now for the Dix deal. Sure, I plan to drive into downtown Raleigh from outside 540 on 4-5 Dollar a gallon gas just to watch the muggings..." gevalia

    Come on....you mean you don't see the need for a 300 acre dog toilet?

  • 4Strikes Mar 25, 6:48 p.m.

    "These socialist's sure don't like the idea of loosing power do they?" stymieindurham

    According to WRAL ALL of us parents want the loony Wake County School Board to not only destroy our childrens education but to run all the schools into the ground also. That's what it sounds like from this idiotic headline.

  • jenjengirl89 Mar 25, 6:48 p.m.

    "These socialist's sure don't like the idea of loosing power do they?

    stymieindurham"

    Please allow me to correct your spelling.

    socialist's = socialists (plural, not possessive"

    loosing = losing (in the process of being lost - not making less tight)

  • Bartmeister Mar 25, 6:46 p.m.

    All I know is a couple more years and we are done with Wake County Schools. And when that happens, moving out of Wake Co. for the tax relief.

  • gevalia Mar 25, 6:42 p.m.

    Now for the Dix deal.

    Sure, I plan to drive into downtown Raleigh from outside 540 on 4-5 Dollar a gallon gas just to watch the muggings (you best clear out before dark unless you have a million dollar life insurance policy. I drive in now just to be panhandled in Moore Square (try it, you'll like it---from the old TV ad).

  • lunarmodule Mar 25, 6:38 p.m.

    Just how many chances do Republicans get to draw the lines so they can win? Margiotta hired Shanahan to do it and they couldn't win. So now Neal Hunt is going to try. This is how your vote gets invalidated and taken away from you. This is shameful. It's like some banana republic.

  • gevalia Mar 25, 6:31 p.m.

    No politics in that headline!! Yea right. A few loud people show at a public hearing and all parents want the status quo. No slant here.

    Bottom line--- The county owns/rents/manages the offices they use tax money to build/use. They should do the same with the schools. After all, the school board is doing such a great job at managing our children's education--- with a little luck we will soon catch up with Iceland and Slovakia in student achievement, for only 5 times the cost per student.

  • Defiant Mar 25, 6:13 p.m.

    Big Mistake!

  • Bartmeister Mar 25, 6:01 p.m.

    Exactly right they want to end public education, except for the students no one else wants.

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    Who can translate this to coherent language?

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 5:52 p.m.

    These socialist's sure don't like the idea of loosing power do they?

  • barbrobertson70 Mar 25, 5:08 p.m.

    stan is right. talking about the development of the land and the actual deal are two different things. the sweetheart deal is a forced forced government subsidy. i dont think its right, and while the old governor made a bad move but technically acted within the boundaries of the law, the legislature is also acting within the boundaries of the law. they are correcting a partisan error.

  • twatts1000 Mar 25, 5:06 p.m.

    I guess StanMak wasn't at this 2006 meeting where WRAL reported "hundreds" of Citizens turning out to voice their opinions about the Dix Deal...

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/157295/

  • ILoveDowntownRaleigh Mar 25, 4:50 p.m.

    "this is a taxpayer subsidized deal to insiders...the ACTUAL DEAL was done in secret, out of the public eye, WITHOUT hearing, and while the friends of perdue get a sweet deal from all the development money..." - stanmak

    Stan, that's just silly. I received so many meeting notifications about the Dix contract in the past year that I thought my spam-blocker had ceased functioning!

    And as for public hearings about Dix, there were dozens and dozens of them over the last 10 years. How many did you attend?

  • stanmak Mar 25, 4:37 p.m.

    this is a taxpayer subsidized deal to insiders by a governor in her dying days in office. its a raw deal for the state and its taxpayers. while the 'talk' of development has been in talks for years, the ACTUAL DEAL was done in secret, out of the public eye, WITHOUT hearing, and while the friends of perdue get a sweet deal from all the development money, the state taxpayers are getting shortchanged by having to eat it.

  • twatts1000 Mar 25, 4:28 p.m.

    Keeping Dix "for the mentally ill" is a joke..

    We (as in NC tax-payers) just spent $120 million building state of the art hospital in Butner to replace the outdated and crumbling facilities at Dix.

  • wral mods blow close my account Mar 25, 4:13 p.m.

    "In 1974 the facility had 2,354 acres sadly today a mere 306. Some of the property has been reallocated to NCSU Centennial Campus and the State Farmers Market without compensating the NC Dept of Health & Human Services."

    Lets cancel those contracts too!

  • KH-Apex-NC Mar 25, 4:02 p.m.

    The issue I see with converting the Dix Hill facility to a park is that the property was originally purchased with money from all citizens of the State of NC for the purpose of serving the mentally ill. It’s wrong of the state to agree to lease the land for less than fair market value, period. If the City of Raleigh wants to build a world class park, it needs to compensate the State fairly so that the funds can be used appropriately, for the well-being of the mentally ill. If they need to charge admission, so be it. All involved should be ashamed of taking advantage of the mentally ill. It doesn’t need to be offered to the developers to be divided into more urban ad-nauseum, but Raleigh is not entitled to get it favorably.

    In 1974 the facility had 2,354 acres sadly today a mere 306. Some of the property has been reallocated to NCSU Centennial Campus and the State Farmers Market without compensating the NC Dept of Health & Human Services. “FREE” for Raleigh comes at a cost. Some

  • Plenty Coups Mar 25, 3:44 p.m.

    "Republicans putting another nail in the coffin of public education. Here's how they do it."

    Exactly right they want to end public education, except for the students no one else wants.

  • Blaster Mar 25, 3:28 p.m.

    It'll just become another campground/feeding station for the homeless crowd like the rest of the downtown parks!

  • rlee1117 Mar 25, 3:26 p.m.

    I guess in NC, one polititcal party can declare null and void contracts, which were legally binding at the time signed, as they wish...And this is good governance?

    rand321

    This is one reason it is being changed back since it was to be used as a mental hospital in the fist place. Shame on you once again Bev Perdue and to all the others that did it in the first place!

  • Cary Progressive Mar 25, 3:08 p.m.

    Republicans putting another nail in the coffin of public education. Here's how they do it.

    http://crazycrawfish.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/a-confederacy-of-reformers/

  • dwntwnboy2 Mar 25, 3:04 p.m.

    "this is good governance?"- no, this is REPUBLICAN governance- BIG difference! LOL

  • rand321 Mar 25, 2:28 p.m.

    I guess in NC, one polititcal party can declare null and void contracts, which were legally binding at the time signed, as they wish...And this is good governance?

  • twatts1000 Mar 25, 1:13 p.m.

    Barb: 1 - Google "Dix Legacy Park" and you'll see a list of local leaders and businesses that all signed onto developing the park. The leader of the whole deal is Poole, a Republican. 2 - The state has had 10 years to make input into the deal. 3 - Again, it has been in discussion for 10 years. 4 - I don't see how any person outside of Raleigh will be made to pay any tax dollars for land that is already owned by the state. In fact, Wake residents will now indeed pay rent to the rest of the state for use of the land. Anyways, there is nothing stating that a resident living outside of Wake can't use the park too. Are those same residents mad about paying tax dollars to maintain the capital building that is located in Raleigh???

  • dwntwnboy2 Mar 25, 12:40 p.m.

    "deal broke the state law about only disposing of state property at market value"- well, good thing she didn't "dispose" of anything- she RENTED state land...unlike the $1 deal that the repubs wanted for a multi-million dollar prison complex..THAT was disposing of a "state property", where as THIS deal, worked out over almost a decade, was a simple lease with the state still being the deed holder to the property. No laws broken, no muss, no fuss.

  • Crumps Br0ther Mar 25, 12:14 p.m.

    1- this is an issue pushed by liberal inside the beltline raleigh democrats ,who are desperately clinging to this for relevancy 2- this was a shady deal by a lame duck governor surrounded in controversy who set up a deal in which STATEWIDE taxpayers are subsidizing a few special interests. 3- there was NO public input, NO coordination with lawmakers, this was done in secret, out of the public eye 4- ask anyone outside raleigh if they want their tax $ to subsidize a sweetheart deal for raleigh residents. hah. 5- i and many others welcome the revocation of this deal- it was a careless and reckless attempt by a terrible governor with dying support.

    barbrobertson70

    Are you saying that there was impropriety on the part of the former democratic leadership? That just cant be true! Liberals are pure as the driven snow and follow the letter of the law, unless it comes to immigration of course.

  • thayerguy Mar 25, 12:07 p.m.

    "1- this is an issue pushed by liberal inside the beltline raleigh democrats ,who are desperately clinging to this for relevancy 2- this was a shady deal by a lame duck governor surrounded in controversy who set up a deal in which STATEWIDE taxpayers are subsidizing a few special interests. 3- there was NO public input, NO coordination with lawmakers, this was done in secret, out of the public eye 4- ask anyone outside raleigh if they want their tax $ to subsidize a sweetheart deal for raleigh residents. hah. 5- i and many others welcome the revocation of this deal- it was a careless and reckless attempt by a terrible governor with dying support."

    Completely false! This has been discussed for almost 10 years. And during the 4 years of Perdue's administration she attempted several times to get the General Assembly to act on this and they never did. Know what you speak about before you post such dribble.

  • rmadry Mar 25, 11:52 a.m.

    Counties, cities and towns are the creation of the NC General Assembly. If the NCGA does not like a contract signed by a city and the state, it has the constitutional power to negate the contract.

    All of us who complain about Gov Bev and the liberals that run Raleigh negotiating a sweetheart deal that stiffed the mental health committee by executing a last minute lease know exactly what we are talking about. The sweetheart, under the table "wink wink" deal broke the state law about only disposing of state property at market value. Gov Bev should be held accountable for breakng that law.

    The sweetheart wink wink deal is doomed. Get used to it.

    The property will be properly and legally disposed and the proceeds will build a state of the art inpatient mental health facility for people who need it instead of giving the property to the few people in Raleigh who think that they need a third park on South Side Raleigh within 1.4 miles of a similar park.

  • barbrobertson70 Mar 25, 11:44 a.m.

    1- this is an issue pushed by liberal inside the beltline raleigh democrats ,who are desperately clinging to this for relevancy

    2- this was a shady deal by a lame duck governor surrounded in controversy who set up a deal in which STATEWIDE taxpayers are subsidizing a few special interests.

    3- there was NO public input, NO coordination with lawmakers, this was done in secret, out of the public eye

    4- ask anyone outside raleigh if they want their tax $ to subsidize a sweetheart deal for raleigh residents. hah.

    5- i and many others welcome the revocation of this deal- it was a careless and reckless attempt by a terrible governor with dying support.

  • matt_wood Mar 25, 11:32 a.m.

    Now, I actually do think the what the Rs want makes sense. HOWEVER, I take issue with two things:

    1- The contract is signed and done with. Passing this legislation will start a very lengthy and expensive legal battle that will likely cost more than any benefit of renegotiating the lease will bring in. I would love to see the present value analysis that includes legal costs.

    2- All those people saying Bev rushed this through don't know what they are talking about. It has been researched for 10+ years by various groups and there were discussions for MONTHS before the contract was signed. Just because it happened at the very end of Bev's term does NOT mean it was rushed. If it did, then you could claim anything that a manager does just before they leave was rushed, even though they spent months or years working on it.

  • twatts1000 Mar 25, 11:06 a.m.

    I don't expect Goodnight will be giving Berger any fundraisers any time soon...

  • Honesty first Mar 25, 10:54 a.m.

    Yes I was joking....sort of. It is my understanding that the School Board, City Council, and County commissioners are elected bodies charged with specific duties. If we are not in need of the positions then I guess the NC Legislature will be in charge. I really love the FACT that the Sponsor of this bill also supported the of selling a closed correctional facility for $1. Was that fair value or is this just another hypocritical politician. Of course it was in his district.

  • SouthernPackerFan Mar 25, 10:54 a.m.

    Yah but slight setback to your little pet social programs will be overshadowed by all the other good things. Change is scary isnt it?

    Crumps Br0ther

    Just playing by your rules Crumpy, seems you were still wiping your tears after O's re-election and already claiming "Socialism"! too funny....seems when your group is the brunt of your very same tatics you cry foul....why is that?

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