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  • lessismore Mar 26, 7:53 p.m.

    WhooHoo... the poor already have ID....get over it. There is no one that does not have ID....no one.

  • junkmail5 Mar 26, 3:40 p.m.

    And you talk about fantasies- Crumps Brother

    No, I talk about facts.

    See the Republican who claimed he had "delivered the state for Mitt Romney" by pushing voter ID laws.

    Specifically because the majority of those disenfranchised by them are legal democratic voters.

    Facts! try them sometime!

    Having and maintaining an ID isnt as hard as you make it sound.- Crumps Brother

    And yet 7-10% of the population that are registered voters don't have one when you compare DMV and Voter registration records.

    It's almost like your opinions, and actual facts, don't match!

  • Crumps Br0ther Mar 26, 3:07 p.m.

    (that second part is why the republicans are pushing it, FYI)

    junkmail5

    And you talk about fantasies? Having and maintaining an ID isnt as hard as you make it sound. With it being a problem percieved by you or not. The opposition to this tells me there is more to it than you are willing to say.

  • junkmail5 Mar 26, 1:32 p.m.

    I wish you were this fiscally responsible on some of your other money pit entitlement programs- Crumps Brothers

    I'm not sure why you keep repeating this lie?

    Unless you can name some of these "money pit" programs I support that, like voter ID, there's no evidence showing they do anything?

    Like they say about Global Warming, "what if we did something and made the world a better place by accident?- CB

    How bout we work on fixing all the problems we can actually show evidence for before throwing it after fantasies?

    Because that's voter ID is in a nutshell- wasting money to prevent a problem nobody can show even exists, with the nice side effect of discouraging largely democratic, legal, voters from voting.

    (that second part is why the republicans are pushing it, FYI)

  • Crumps Br0ther Mar 26, 12:54 p.m.

    How bout the fact that means we'd spend millions of dollars to address an imaginary problem nobody can show real world examples of?

    Junkmail

    Like they say about Global Warming, "what if we did something and made the world a better place by accident?"

    I wish you were this fiscally responsible on some of your other money pit entitlement programs

    So you'd have to waste taxpayer $ to give them all free IDs, and you'd have to have a solution where the 90 year old grandma doesn't have to spend 4 hours standing in line at the DMV to get it too.

    HAHAHAHAHAH! Wait til Barrycare kicks if you think a wait at the DMV is long!

  • junkmail5 Mar 26, 12:32 p.m.

    I believe that the bill offers to provide free ID to those who need them. I don't see a problem.- delta29alpha

    How bout the fact that means we'd spend millions of dollars to address an imaginary problem nobody can show real world examples of?

    Should we spend millions to protect our cities against Bigfoot too?

    I really don't think there could actually be that many people who don't already have some kind of acceptable ID- delta29alpha

    then your belief is wrong.... PA and NC have both compared voter registration records with DMV records (other states too I suspect) and found 7-10% of the population registered to vote doesn't have a valid state ID.

    I think it was close to 600,000 or so in NC...

    So you'd have to waste taxpayer $ to give them all free IDs, and you'd have to have a solution where the 90 year old grandma doesn't have to spend 4 hours standing in line at the DMV to get it too.

    All to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

    Why?

  • delta29alpha Mar 26, 11:47 a.m.

    I believe that the bill offers to provide free ID to those who need them. I don't see a problem. Frankly, I really don't think there could actually be that many people who don't already have some kind of acceptable ID, not as many as people some would suggest. No one would then be disenfranchised and everyone would be happy...right?

  • HDStreetGlide Mar 26, 9:53 a.m.

    wonder how these people cash checks or do other business without a State issue ID?? If these people are to lazy to obtain an ID so they can vote...I have no problem in showing my ID to vote, I have to show it to cash a check, use my credit card and other issue. It just another way I'm being protected by dishonest people.

  • Crumps Br0ther Mar 26, 9:42 a.m.

    What a colorful turn of phrase you have....but at least we have hearts. I rather glad I'm not a sociopath. Tell when did the Christian church give up on following the bible? The Right seem very familar with leviticus and other obscure teachings when it comes to Abortion or Gay Marriage but seem to have entirely forgotten Matthew 25:40 "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Funny but even this atheist remembers that from his youth.

    Grand Union

    LOLWUT? You are so easy.

  • delta29alpha Mar 26, 8:58 a.m.

    I have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, I shouldn't have to show ID to secure my constitutional right.

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 6:56 p.m.

    Ho hum.................... Barber better come up with a better argument than what he's had in the past.- Bartmeister

    The GOP's argument is "I know its there but for some reason the complete lack of any supporting evidence is missing so lets just go a head a pass laws that require the poor to purchase something in order to vote and throw out the only provision that makes the law even close to constitutional.'

    Oh hum indeed!

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 6:53 p.m.

    You see, believing in BO and UFO's are somewhat the same.......... a lot of hype and no proof in the results.- Bartmeister

    Funny thing is I can prove BO but you can't find in person voter fraud...you spend so much time and energy fighting someone you did not like before you knew his opinions to something you can't even find. You remind me of Don Quixote tilting at windmills...just less noble ;)

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 6:51 p.m.

    @bartmeister, so you want to prevent people from voting?

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 6:51 p.m.

    "And those people who aren't responsible enough to have or keep up with an ID shouldn't be trusted to vote anyway. (Reference the results from the past presidential election). You see erkle

    Bartmeister"

    Coming from a person that has their profile picture of Bart Simpson mooning.

  • Bartmeister Mar 25, 6:22 p.m.

    Yes, that's right. Or anyone who does not have or cannot find their ID on voting day. Very, very good! You get a star. Terkel

    ===========================================

    And those people who aren't responsible enough to have or keep up with an ID shouldn't be trusted to vote anyway. (Reference the results from the past presidential election). You see erkle, this is really about a bad case of the toos. It's either too hard or too hott or too unfair or too inconvenient or..................................too bad. Here's your sign little feller..

  • Bartmeister Mar 25, 6:17 p.m.

    I bet Obama lost every state where grits are a staple of every meal....wait, what does that prove ;)

    ======================================

    For starters, if cooked properly they make a great meal and not just with eggs or shrimp. You see, believing in BO and UFO's are somewhat the same.......... a lot of hype and no proof in the results.

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 6:13 p.m.

    Both are protected by the constitution…if you have nothing to hide while exercising your rights then ‘whats the problem?’WooHoo2You

    exactly why i don't mind having an ID to vote. Thanks for proving my point!- Let freedom ring

    The only way I proved your point is if you think it is acceptable to show ID every time you exercise free speech...you know, what we were talking about?

  • Bartmeister Mar 25, 6:13 p.m.

    Ho hum.................... Barber better come up with a better argument than what he's had in the past. And really who is trying to impede or slow down anyone? Members of the naacp are tying themselves to a falling star in barber.

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 6:10 p.m.

    Yes, WooHoo2You here's a whopper. BO lost in every state that required a voter ID- smartmoney79

    So a democrat lost in 'Republican' states???? I bet Obama lost every state where grits are a staple of every meal....wait, what does that prove ;)

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 6:07 p.m.

    Not many left-wingers on here railing against strengthening the integrity of our voting system- stymieindurham

    Not too many of us trying to spend millions a year trying to UFO proof our strreets and bridges either...another problem no one has found.

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 6:01 p.m.

    Not many left-wingers on here railing against strengthening the integrity of our voting system. But, there are a couple on here. You can pick them out!!

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 5:37 p.m.

    @cwctitanfan umm yea I am say every citizen has equal protection under what the constitution spells out. Sorry cectitanfan I wasn't aware of the constitution only applies to certain citizens clause

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 5:34 p.m.

    @cwctitanfan are you mental? I have read the constitution. Do you understand poll taxing? Do you understand rights of voters are protected under the constitution? Do you get that alcohol, cigarettes, driving is not a constitutional right? Put that nc constitution education away and actually read what the constitution says.

  • southerntalent Mar 25, 5:31 p.m.

    Try to cash a check with out an id,or even write a check,it ain't gonna happen.My mom stopped driving but still has an id card everyone needs one for the priveledge to vote

  • bombayrunner Mar 25, 5:24 p.m.

    sooo ... who is voting? so these are the same folks demanding background checks for gun buyers, but not having to produce a simple id to vote for those who have the ability to take your rights away?

  • Tax Man Mar 25, 5:21 p.m.

    That is true - we are REQUIRED to provide drivers licenses or state ID cards to all those dreamer illegal aliens. How come we don't have IDs for good old American citizens who want to vote? I imagine even prisoners have to have a picture ID while incarcerated. You cannot even enter most federal buildings without showing you picture ID - even if you are there on business you MUST have a picture ID. The folks at Social Security would not even discuss MY OWN file with me until I produced my Drivers License! Pass the Voter ID law and then if a person truly cannot afford to get an ID the let's provide one for them - at no cost. But they have to ask for it. We could even have a mobile ID truck meeting them at their homes where they can show their birth certificates and other proof of citizenship to get the ID. Make it easy and make voting honest! And Absentee Ballots should require a photocopy of the ID as well as be notarized!

  • Terkel Mar 25, 5:17 p.m.

    "I look at this and say thou doth protest too much. If there is no fraud by the Dems, then having an ID won't affect the folks voting, it'll only affect those pretending to be someone they are not."

    or anyone that does not have or cannot find their ID on voting day................." "GU"

    Yes, that's right. Or anyone who does not have or cannot find their ID on voting day. Very, very good! You get a star.

  • Tax Man Mar 25, 5:15 p.m.

    Back in the day in California we had to show our ID's to get the ballot. Very simple and it did not slow anyone down. Folks we have been discussing Voter ID for several years now here in NC so who exactly has not had plenty of time to get their ID???? And how do any of these folks exist in our society without a picture ID? How do they cash checks, open bank accounts, buy their guns, buy alcohol/beer/wine,cigarettes, pick up a registered/certified letter, drive a car, get a bus pass, register to vote in the first place, license their automobile, buy a car, get cable tv, get their medicine, get social security, get medicare, get medicaid, get food stamps, get welfare, rent a house or apartment, buy a house, prove who they are to a police officer asking them questions, get a credit/debit card???? I bet I show my ID at least 4 times a week and I go to the same bank, same grocery store, same ABC store, same Post Office each time, but even though they know who I am they ask for my ID.

  • NoKoolAid Mar 25, 4:56 p.m.

    Yes, WooHoo2You here's a whopper. BO lost in every state that required a voter ID: "A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney's total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida."

    http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Obama-lost-every-state-that-required-Voter-ID.html?soid=1110153099494&aid=xPvb7InsmN0

  • WFC Mar 25, 4:49 p.m.

    Both are protected by the constitution…if you have nothing to hide while exercising your rights then ‘whats the problem?’WooHoo2You

    exactly why i don't mind having an ID to vote. Thanks for proving my point!

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 4:47 p.m.

    smartmoney79,

    -The woman who voted 6 times, Melowese Richardson, a veteran Ohio poll worker, cast an absentee ballot AND then voted at the polls. Disgraceful.-

    Both times using her REAL NAME which would have matched her ID and only once in person….

    - Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and another person.

    Those were also done with ABSENTEE BALLOTS which still don’t require IDs unless your mailman checks your ID when the little red flag is up.

    Can you come up with a single case voter ID would have stopped?!?!??!?!?!?

  • shane4 Mar 25, 4:46 p.m.

    Yes to voter identification requirements and no to the race baiting, hate perpetuating NAACP.

  • markjb33 Mar 25, 4:45 p.m.

    Yeesh! We are giving illegal immigrants licenses, I can't believe they are still clamoring some people cannot get an ID

  • WooHoo2You Mar 25, 4:43 p.m.

    so posting on wral.com and voting are now considered the same thing....wow-Let freedom r

    Both are protected by the constitution…if you have nothing to hide while exercising your rights then ‘whats the problem?’

  • OGE Mar 25, 4:39 p.m.

    The NAACP could be such a helpful organization if they would concentrate their efforts on educating people on how to break the cycle of poverty, how to avoid teen pregnancy, how to stop living on welfare, how to take responsibility for your children, how to parent, etc. instead of taking a political stance on everything.

    Native NC gal

    +1 this is soo true

  • cwctitanfan Mar 25, 4:39 p.m.

    thanks smartmoney! Someone who actually does understand! JJ you may wanna actually read the constituion before you comment on it. And I guess common sense won for a change rather than trying to work its way around by dancing around the fundamental common sense right thing to do. Hence why NC was the last state of the original 13 to ratify the constituion because it would not until the bill of rights was included. You can take that one to your history class. What you are insinuating is that every law and every right as a citizenshould always be easy and equal. Being American is not easy and you gotta want it. We are afforded rights and freedom to pursue the best life we can. And requiring a simple thing like a ID is and will always be (The right thing to do!)

  • NoKoolAid Mar 25, 4:37 p.m.

    The woman who voted 6 times, Melowese Richardson, a veteran Ohio poll worker, cast an absentee ballot AND then voted at the polls. Disgraceful.

    "Richardson is one of 19 people suspected of illegal voting by the Hamilton County Board of Elections in the last election.

    'I'm outraged, and every voter, regardless of their political affiliation, should be outraged," said Hamilton County Board of Elections member Alex Triantafilou. "It causes folks to have real doubts about the fabric of our very democratic process, and it's dangerous. It is disconcerting that someone would be so bold as to admit their conduct in such a fashion. We fully intend to prosecute these cases.'

    Richardson claimed she had submitted an absentee ballot, but was afraid her vote would not count so she also voted in person. She also said she voted in the name of her granddaughter and another person.

    "There was absolutely no intent on my part to commit any voter fraud."

  • WFC Mar 25, 4:33 p.m.

    so posting on wral.com and voting are now considered the same thing....wow

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 4:30 p.m.

    @smartmoney no one said for the president but the people have a constitutional right to vote and protection under the constitution to do so. Nice try on spin. I said vote not for which office the people are given the right to vote and protection from poll taxes. I'm well aware of the history of whomever we elect and whom we appoint

  • junkmail5 Mar 25, 4:26 p.m.

    ou should still be able to prove you are who you say you are to exercise your constitutional right- me2you

    really? Then I want a copy of your ID before you say anything further.

    I mean, you should have to prove who you are before exercising your right to free speech, right?

    Same thing.

  • junkmail5 Mar 25, 4:26 p.m.

    Reason no women voted six times is because she was caught by laws already in place. Since the claim is laid that she voted six times.

    jjsmith1973

    Plus she was trying to do 5 of them via mail in ballots.

    where voter ID wouldn't have done anything.

    Why when you ask for examples of voter fraud that ID would stop do you only ever get told about cases where ID would NOT have helped?

    Probably because that's the only kind there's really much example of.

    The in-person kind ID would have stopped is almost entirely imaginary.

  • NYtoNC81 Mar 25, 4:24 p.m.

    Crumps Br0ther: If these new guns laws keep one child from being killed then they were worth it

    If voter IDs keeps one vote from being cast falsely then its worth it.

    Me: This is where you come off as ignorant. A lot of us don't need our respective party ideology to make decisions for us.

    I see no relative need to counteract something that doesn't exist like voter fraud; especially given the 24th amendment questions and how this will be implemented in accordance to it.

    At the same time I see no need to add any restrictions to current gun control laws that would need to stand up to the second amendment tests.

    It's not too hard to have opinions that don't line up with who or what ever I voted for. It's literally impossible to agree with your party 100% of the time unless you are intellectually dishonest.

  • junkmail5 Mar 25, 4:22 p.m.

    The only limitations on the states are that they cannot discriminate in administering elections on the basis of race (15th amendment), sex (19th amendment) or age (26th amendment)- smartmoney79

    OR by imposing a poll tax (24th)

    who doesn't have some form of photo ID these days??

    daisy

    About 7-10% of the registered voting public when comparing DMV and voter records in both PA and NC at least.

  • stymieindurham Mar 25, 4:21 p.m.

    Now that the "new" drivers license with "No Legal Status" are being issued, let's see how many people refuse to take one!!!! If the voter ID passes, which I hope it does, let's see how many would refuse to vote!!

  • me2you Mar 25, 4:20 p.m.

    "Do you understand the difference between constitutional rights and laws by a state? Voting is a constitutional right, driving, home buying, alcohol purchasing isn't. Me use common sense really try it yourself" jjsmith1973

    How is that common sense? You should still be able to prove you are who you say you are to exercise your constitutional right. It's not someone's right if they are voting illegally! wow.

  • NoKoolAid Mar 25, 4:14 p.m.

    Actually jjsmith1973 you are incorrect. In Bush v. Gore, the case in which the court decided to end all recounts in Florida during the aftermath of the 2000 presidential election, effectively declaring George W. Bush president, the court said:

    "...the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States." (Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98, 104)

    The actual situation is that each state is allowed to determine its own methods of running elections. The only limitations on the states are that they cannot discriminate in administering elections on the basis of race (15th amendment), sex (19th amendment) or age (26th amendment). In fact, the word "vote" is only mentioned in the Constitution in relation to these non-discrimination amendments. Nowhere does the Constitution explicitly give every citizen the affirmative right to vote.

  • daisy Mar 25, 4:12 p.m.

    who doesn't have some form of photo ID these days??

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 4:10 p.m.

    Reason no women voted six times is because she was caught by laws already in place. Since the claim is laid that she voted six times.

  • jjsmith1973 Mar 25, 4:05 p.m.

    "@jjsmith1973....What in the world do you mean? Not constitutional points. Its the LAW to have a valid ID when you are purchasing alcohol, a car, a house, etc etc. Do you not have common sense? Who are you trying to protect? What is your point? Have you voted lately? You walk up give them your name and address and they give you a ballot. You could give them your neighbors name and address. Do you know how easy it is to potientially commit fraud? What the legislation is doing is to go a step further and to protect the integrity of the voting system. And you really have a problem with it? All I could say is WOW. Barber needs to hire you!

    cwctitanfan"

    Do you understand the difference between constitutional rights and laws by a state? Voting is a constitutional right, driving, home buying, alcohol purchasing isn't. Me use common sense really try it yourself

  • WFC Mar 25, 4:03 p.m.

    Isn't the person who wants to vote multiple times going to be affected by this? Shame on anyone wanting to legitimize the voting process. (sarcasm) BTW that woman who voted 6 times was protecting Obama's "right" to be president (her word). So if it takes multiple votes to protect a "right", then why be against that? (tons of sarcasm)

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