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  • Plenty Coups Mar 19, 11:48 a.m.

    "It is the lib way to whine when things finally...."
    "Awwwwwww, yoyu are going to throw a tantrum..."

    I would venture to say that most of my posts with the ideologues, are fact checking their usual wild claims, made up nonsense, and unsubstantiated hyperbole. I will continue to do so. I don't have a problem with moderate republicans similar to Bob Dole, Dwight Eisenhower, Arlen Specter etc. but sadly, too many of them nowadays are simple ideological zealots.

  • junkmail5 Mar 19, 11:01 a.m.

    That's luducrious. Women just dont have IDs?
    impatientgirl

    they have VALID (for voter ID laws) ones less often than men.

    Because if you changed your name when you got married but didn't update your license, it's not valid for voting.

    Likewise certain other groups of women (nuns and elderly women for example) are less likely to have current ID for cultural reasons.

    That isn't being sexist, that's presenting documented facts.

    Again it's not saying "this group doesn't have ID" it's saying "this group is MORE LIKELY to not have ID"

    Statistics aren't sexist, they're just numbers.

  • ncouterbanks69 Mar 19, 10:52 a.m.

    I suppose it will become law in NC as there's nothing really to stop it. But I will do my job to publicize every blunder, including this one, the General Assembly makes until such time as they are voted out of office.

    Of course you will. It is the lib way to whine when things finally do not go that way. Just remember these guys are finally actually getting something done and they were voted in for a reason. Hopefully this is the first in a long long run of a GOP controlled NC.

  • housemanagercary Mar 19, 10:40 a.m.

    "The Board of Elections study suggested women, minorities, elderly voters and college students might be more likely to lack the required identification."

    That's luducrious. Women just dont have IDs?

  • junkmail5 Mar 19, 9:52 a.m.

    You've had a week to give me 3 major policy differences. Nothing. LOL
    vinylcarwraps23

    Between the republicans and democrats? that's easy

    Gay marriage
    Voter ID
    Unemployment benefits

    that's just stuff that's come up in the last month or so.

  • driverkid3 Mar 19, 9:39 a.m.

    Plenty Coups::::But I will do my job to publicize every blunder, including this one, the General Assembly makes until such time as they are voted out of office.

    Awwwwwww, yoyu are going to throw a tantrum every time they do something you don't like, even though they were voted in by a majority of people that were tired of the muck the dems drug us through. Your word already means very little to a lot of people, this is going to make you look even more bratty.

  • Minarchist Mar 19, 9:24 a.m.

    The poor already get everything else for free , why would liberals want to not give the poor a free id? They are very important in todays world.

    What is it about the poor do liberals hate?

    These same poor people can't legally buy a firearm, another right.. the 2nd actually.
    pelosi-rulz
    March 19, 2013 8:38 a.m.
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    You've had a week to give me 3 major policy differences. Nothing. LOL

  • Plenty Coups Mar 19, 9:15 a.m.

    "This will become the law and I would suggest you get used to it"

    I suppose it will become law in NC as there's nothing really to stop it. But I will do my job to publicize every blunder, including this one, the General Assembly makes until such time as they are voted out of office.

  • PanthersFan45 Mar 19, 8:42 a.m.

    Just another Photo ID in a long list of them that have been implemented over the years. Modernization and/or Security have been a big part of the changes to every ID system so it doesn't bother me if its for Airports, Libraries, Banking, Voting, or the DMV. I don't call ANY of these a waste of time or money ..... its the world we live in now a days. You can be in denial w/a stale argument or you can get with the times and not defend the "stone-age". This will become the law and I would suggest you get used to it.

  • pelosi-rulz Mar 19, 8:38 a.m.

    The poor already get everything else for free , why would liberals want to not give the poor a free id? They are very important in todays world.

    What is it about the poor do liberals hate?

    These same poor people can't legally buy a firearm, another right.. the 2nd actually.

  • Plenty Coups Mar 19, 8:24 a.m.

    rlee-"Just a FYI here the person I was speaking of was on the local news here in Wake County."

    When one speaks in vague generalities as you do, its hard to know exactly what they mean. But since you talk about a Wake County man, I'll assume you mean "Leland Lewis", the guy who voted twice. But once again, voter ID would not have prevented him from doing it and the guy was caught.

    " He was a older man that did it as proof that it does happen and after he told about it he was charged."

    And he was caught. He claims they notified them but they called him afterwards. Then he pleaded guilty.

    "Maybe you need to watch WRAL more often and you can make a honest comment here."

    Perhaps you should be more specific and pay attention to details such as the very important point that voter ID wouldn't have done a thing in this case.

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 8:38 p.m.

    . As far as him having a system in place it would have shown that he had already voted under that Id. Correct me if I am wrong sir did it not say you had to put your id with a barcode to get a ballet like when you get a Lottery card from a machine?
    rlee111

    Ok, you're wrong. The story says "One can imagine a system"

    but that's not the system the legislature has proposed at all.

    In fact the "just show your ID" system wouldn't have stopped that guy at all.

    Its like being a legal citizen in the United States what gives our President the right to ignore the laws on how to be a citizen of these United States. He took a oath that he is not following which is and should be against the law also. Show me in your history where he has that power also please if you will.
    rlee1117

    Sure, right after where you show me he has done so.

    Maybe you should read our history before any changes were made to our original bill of rights sir.
    rlee1117

    ...what are you talking about?

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 7:13 p.m.

    Its like being a legal citizen in the United States what gives our President the right to ignore the laws on how to be a citizen of these United States. He took a oath that he is not following which is and should be against the law also. Show me in your history where he has that power also please if you will.

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 7:07 p.m.

    Maybe you should read our history before any changes were made to our original bill of rights sir.

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 7:04 p.m.

    But our current non-ID-required system DID.

    It's almost like we don't need to waste millions of dollars for a useless ID requirement!
    junkmail5

    Really? So can you please explain to me why he had to tell on himself. As far as him having a system in place it would have shown that he had already voted under that Id. Correct me if I am wrong sir did it not say you had to put your id with a barcode to get a ballet like when you get a Lottery card from a machine?

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 6:39 p.m.

    Just a FYI here the person I was speaking of was on the local news here in Wake County. He was a older man that did it as proof that it does happen and after he told about it he was charged-rlee1117

    what's weird is in BOTH cases they used their real name- so voter ID wouldn't have stopped either one.

    But our current non-ID-required system DID.

    It's almost like we don't need to waste millions of dollars for a useless ID requirement!

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 6:38 p.m.

    I also have a right to be happy-rlee1117

    No, you don't actually. Might wanna go re-read some history there and get back to us.

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 6:33 p.m.

    "He" was actually a "she", Roxanne Rubin. She was also a republican and was caught when she attempted to vote twice in Nevada. Nevada has no voter ID law but she was caught anyway. I guess she believed all the nonsense about people voting twice in person and thought she could get away with it. She plea bargained her case and paid a $2500 fine.
    Plenty Coups

    Just a FYI here the person I was speaking of was on the local news here in Wake County. He was a older man that did it as proof that it does happen and after he told about it he was charged. Maybe you need to watch WRAL more often and you can make a honest comment here.

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 6:25 p.m.

    I have heard where some has return jury duty papers marked as non- citizen can you tell me how they are able to vote since they have admitted in writing that they were not a citizen. What is the big deal with having a ID to vote anyway unless you have something to hide. I also have a right to be happy does that mean I get a million bucks which would make me very happy also just because of my right to be happy? Before you start I know I have to earn it in some way. That is not stated in my rights no more than it says anything about a ID is stated. So will these whiners please give me my million bucks please also.

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 5:33 p.m.

    You have to show id to cash a check so what in the world is the problem with showing it for something as important as voting?-bubbarednck

    Voting is a right. Cashing a check is a private business transaction.

    That you can't tell the difference is a pretty serious problem.

    Arguably even more serious than you being in favor of wasting millions of taxpayer dollars to solve an imaginary problem.

  • bubbaredneck Mar 18, 5:24 p.m.

    You have to show id to cash a check so what in the world is the problem with showing it for something as important as voting? Get a life whiners and stop pitty-pooling!! Plus if you don't have an ID when you get stopped for speeding etc. you will get a ticket for not having ID. BOOYAA!!

  • Naysayer Mar 18, 5:19 p.m.

    Voter ID law is just good common sense. I can't wait until it passes and the "whinning and crying" on the left fades.

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 5:12 p.m.

    In 2012, there are districts that had over 100% of the population voting for one candidate.- ConservativeVoter

    No, there were not.

    Stop getting your info from chain letters.

    There were also districts where there was almost 100% turnout and the vote went almost exclusively to one candidate.

    Statistically based on history of voting in this country, these things can't happen without some kind of voter fraud taking place.- ConservativeVoter

    Also a lie. 57 of those 59 districts had the SAME type of one-party-only results in the previous election too. Because those districts are almost 100% African american voters.

    Likewise though there were districts (less of em) that went 100% republican (in both elections).

    Weird demographics happen. No fraud involved nor even the slightest evidence there was any.

    Seriously, snopes covers all the lies about fraud for the 2012 election nicely here-

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Nobody had >100% turnout.

  • charmcclainlovesdogs2 Mar 18, 4:39 p.m.

    I really wish they would just make it law and get these voter ID's for everyone from 18 to 110. Make sure everyone is covered with a voter ID. Once that is done, then wonder what they have up their sleeve for the public to do. Never will these people ever be satisfied. Many are still sore loser after Obama won the second round.

  • PJM Mar 18, 4:39 p.m.

    Okay, please excuse being a responsible citizen & registered ..each time I bring my voter registration card & my d.l. but Im looked at like Im crazy b/c I have my ID...what really is the problem are we once again going to be divided between those who have id & registered can vote and those w/o id but registered can not. Whats the purpose of the databases that hold all registered voter information...

  • 007KnightRider Mar 18, 4:34 p.m.

    I don't see the big deal of showing a photo Id. When you are born you are id'd via a SSN. In order to drive you obtain a driver’s license. Simply showing a photo id is safer than giving someone your SSN.

  • ConservativeVoter Mar 18, 4:13 p.m.

    Democrats are saying that no voter fraud occurred.

    On the other hand, Democrats forget to tell you that nobody is looking for voter fraud.

    If nobody is looking for voter fraud, then based on that logic no voter fraud occurred.

    Until we have a police agency specifically looking for voter fraud, there is no way to say no voter fraud is occurring.

  • ConservativeVoter Mar 18, 4:12 p.m.

    "The pink gorilla in the room says that Republicans want VoterID because, like gerrymandering, it will help their election results.

    The Republican party should make themselves the party with candidates that the majority of all legal voters would want to vote for.
    outside_of_apex"

    The pink gorilla in the room is the voter fraud being committed by both parties.

    Whether I was a Democrat or a Republican, I would want a way to verify that the election was won and not stolen.

    In 2012, there are districts that had over 100% of the population voting for one candidate.

    There were also districts where there was almost 100% turnout and the vote went almost exclusively to one candidate.

    Statistically based on history of voting in this country, these things can't happen without some kind of voter fraud taking place.

    We need a way to install confidence back in the voters that the elections are on the up and up and that no fraud is taking place.

    Voter id is a good start.

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 4:08 p.m.

    Have only one day of voting with no mail in absentee ballots- ConservativeVoter

    Ah, so now we'll just disenfranchise huge chunks of the military, anybody traveling for any reason on that day, anyone too sick or infirm to show up in person, any civilian american living overseas, quite a lot of students, etc...

    Congrats, you actually found one idea even WORSE than voter ID!

  • gvrichardson2 Mar 18, 4:04 p.m.

    Need to show ID. If we let it get my here why should we have to show ID at the bank or if you are stop by the police. Sounds like to me you have something to hide if you do not want to show ID

  • ConservativeVoter Mar 18, 3:43 p.m.

    Let's do what they did in Iraq to discourage voter fraud.

    Have only one day of voting with no mail in absentee ballots.

    Have everybody dip their index finger in purple ink that doesn't come off until you wear it off.

    Bet that will prevent voter fraud.

  • outside_of_apex Mar 18, 3:40 p.m.

    The pink gorilla in the room says that Republicans want VoterID because, like gerrymandering, it will help their election results.

    The Republican party should make themselves the party with candidates that the majority of all legal voters would want to vote for.

  • Plenty Coups Mar 18, 3:39 p.m.

    "Yes, but it is kind of funny to see someone TRY to vote twice on purpose and get arrested for it." LOL vinylcarwraps23

    rlee1117-"Was he charged as a Felon and sent to prison for 5 years as the libs say will happen to stop this? NOPE"

    "He" was actually a "she", Roxanne Rubin. She was also a republican and was caught when she attempted to vote twice in Nevada. Nevada has no voter ID law but she was caught anyway. I guess she believed all the nonsense about people voting twice in person and thought she could get away with it. She plea bargained her case and paid a $2500 fine.

  • Nancy Mar 18, 3:30 p.m.

    "Nancy: just the fact that the link has the word "English" in it tells me enough."

    Yup, the feds want any and all people to register - the form is so simple it's amazing. And depending on the state, that is all that is required in some to become a voter, no proof of who you are, nothing. We have a seriously porous voter registration system.

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 3:27 p.m.

    Yes, but it is kind of funny to see someone TRY to vote twice on purpose and get arrested for it. LOL vinylcarwraps23

    Was he charged as a Felon and sent to prison for 5 years as the libs say will happen to stop this? NOPE
    rlee1117

    Uh... first, it's a she... and second yes she WAS charged.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/roxanne-rubin-nevada-voting-twice_n_2068999.html

    "Roxanne Rubin, a registered Republican from Henderson, Nev., was arrested Friday on a felony charge of attempting to vote twice in the same election."

    And reminder- not only was she caught without needing voter ID laws... a voter ID law wouldn't have helped (since she used her real name both times).

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 2:55 p.m.

    Fake IDs to buy a beer, fake IDs to get into clubs, fake IDs to do welfare fraud and many others, so why do we continue to insist there is not voter fraud- jdupree

    ...what?

    Your argument there IS voter fraud and thus we NEED to ask for ID to stop it.... is.... that people get into clubs with fake IDs?

    that makes... the opposite of sense.

    get a prescription-jdupree

    Again, nope, I've picked up prescriptions for a number of people, no ID needed at all. Just name and sometimes date of birth. You don't need have to be the same gender as the person you are picking up for.

    But that and your other silly examples ignore the fact that voting is a right, while the other items you mention are not.

    Democrats are afraid that this will end their control- jdupree

    ....again... huh? Control of what?

  • rlee1117 Mar 18, 2:53 p.m.

    Yes, but it is kind of funny to see someone TRY to vote twice on purpose and get arrested for it. LOL
    vinylcarwraps23

    Was he charged as a Felon and sent to prison for 5 years as the libs say will happen to stop this? NOPE

  • IndependentAmerican Mar 18, 2:25 p.m.

    Thank you 'conservative'. I was being facetious on using the health insurance card. non-US citizens can also get DL's. non-registered voters can get DL's. Illegal aliens can get DL's.

  • nighttrain2010 Mar 18, 2:25 p.m.

    Now this issue, this has worried me for some time. Requiring that we have an identification card to engage in an activity that does little to nothing when it comes to matters of importance. Or have one of the two major parties that work against keeping other parties off the ballot picked a position of actual opposition to the other party on any matter?

  • jdupree Mar 18, 2:09 p.m.

    Fake IDs to buy a beer, fake IDs to get into clubs, fake IDs to do welfare fraud and many others, so why do we continue to insist there is not voter fraud. You have to have an ID to go to the doctor, cash a check, get a prescription, fly on a plane, go into a Federal Courthouse, get a passport and in most companies to get a job. Democrats are afraid that this will end their control, has nothing to do with violating poor peoples rights!

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 2:04 p.m.

    "Women who get married and change their name may not update their ID until then next time they renew it."

    And...?- Terkel

    and they then can't vote in some states due to voter ID law.

    "Elderly who don't drive any more let their ID expire (and if the local pharmacy knows them, they never have to show ID for scrips, or they may just do mail order scrips)."

    And...?- Terkel

    And they then can't vote under many states voter ID laws

    "College students may not update their residence on IDs since they tend to move every summer, and thus would have to get a new ID every year."- Terkel

    and they then can't vote under many states voter ID laws.

    That's 3 examples of groups who have the LEGAL RIGHT TO VOTE who might be denied that right due to entirely unneeded voter ID laws.

    Which part did you not understand?

  • junkmail5 Mar 18, 1:58 p.m.

    Is there ANYTHING asked of "the disenfranchised"?- Terkel

    Perhaps you missed the point of the 24th amendment?

    The mythical 90 yo in line for 4 hours can be dissolved by having special windows and hours just for "the disenfranchised"- Terkel

    they're not mythical, there's millions of them.

    Apart from that, it would simply change the objection to "Ok, now you're wasting MANY MORE millions to have special services at every DMV location in the state to help solve your imaginary problem.

    Why are you so strongly in favor of wasting taxpayer money to solve imaginary problems?

    Wouldn't you prefer to spend taxpayer money fixing _actual_ problems?

    Or just not spending it at all and maybe closing some budget gaps?

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:53 p.m.

    "Women who get married and change their name may not update their ID until then next time they renew it."

    And...?

    "Elderly who don't drive any more let their ID expire (and if the local pharmacy knows them, they never have to show ID for scrips, or they may just do mail order scrips)."

    And...?

    "College students may not update their residence on IDs since they tend to move every summer, and thus would have to get a new ID every year."

    Three excuses. Again, tell us why these groups are exempt from what I have to do.

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:50 p.m.

    "so put em on EBT cards since you are so worried about the poor not being able to voye." Crumps

    Oh no no no. You'll have to provide chauffeur services to the disenfranchised. You do know the EBT app is online and you don't have to physically go to the office - it can be done online or by snail mail. The disenfranchised must not be asked to spend any of their (our?) money at all.

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:48 p.m.

    Nancy: just the fact that the link has the word "English" in it tells me enough.

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:45 p.m.

    Requie ID, require a LEO with warrants at each polling place.

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:35 p.m.

    The mythical 90 yo in line for 4 hours can be dissolved by having special windows and hours just for "the disenfranchised"...but they'd whine about having to spend gas money to get there. Don't you understand, the libs have no rationale so like GU, they try to wear us out by moving the goalposts, making excuses, shouting "So you want to...", and fighting each and every solution. I say we stop fighting and rule: no ID, no vote. If these people after all this time haven't gotten ID, their vote doesn't matter to them.

  • Terkel Mar 18, 1:30 p.m.

    "As long as NC pays the fees to gather documents for the ID. Otherwise it's a poll tax." cvdurham

    Is there ANYTHING asked of "the disenfranchised"? Don't you want to insist that NC gather the docs FOR them, so they don't have to spend any of their precious time doing it for themselves? That's after NC goes door to door asking if any "disen's" need anything, and then comes back to deliver the ID in person and ask if there's anything else needed.

  • Minarchist Mar 18, 1:27 p.m.

    CRUMPS.... Roxanne Rubin proves voter fraud. Use her to back up your argument. vinylcarwraps23

    @vinyl - nice try. Nobody said that voter fraud is limited to only one party. Also, I would love to see same kind of action taken for registered Democrats who have voted multiple times and bragged about it. Yes, this is what will be hopefully minimized by requiring Voter ID.
    Conservative
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    Yes, but it is kind of funny to see someone TRY to vote twice on purpose and get arrested for it. LOL

  • dannycarter Mar 18, 1:22 p.m.

    Just do it. Its the right thing to do. The people who dont want to do it must be bad citizens who want something for nothing.

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