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brassy Mar 15, 9:42 a.m.
I've never understood why it takes 15 years of wasted tax dollars and court time to execute someone who has already been convicted. Flip the switch and be done with it.
CLM Mar 14, 4:20 p.m.
If you murder without a dout you should face DEATH. They should not stay on death row for years only weeks after trail. If this was in place and people knew they would die for their crime you would see murder crimes decline. Life in prison is a vacation for some.
Plenty Coups Mar 14, 3:43 p.m.
Ole Glory-"If we were to reform the death sentence and make it more of an inevitable reality I’m sure that opinion would "
I agree with your post.
Glock07 Mar 14, 1:20 p.m.
It is about time. Thank you.
Nancy Mar 14, 1:19 p.m.
"and our government has killed innocent citizens with it."
and yet, abortion is so strongly supported by those against the death penalty?
dollibug Mar 14, 1:12 p.m.
*****we have a "moral obligation" to put these people to death.
We also have a *MORAL OBLIGATION* for people to have *FAIR AND JUST TRIALS*....but that ain't taking place either****perhaps we need to IMPROVE the JUDICIAL PROCESS FIRST so that there are NO INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING INDICTED, TRIED AND CONVICTED FOR CRIMES THAT THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF....and then when we know NO MISTAKES ARE BEING MADE....decide at this time. (DON'T THOUGH HOLD YOUR BREATH)
dollibug Mar 14, 1:05 p.m.
Perhaps the lawmakers should make sure that INNOCENT PEOPLE do NOT get indicted, tried and convicted FIRST******take a look at all of the MISTAKES which have already been discovered*****and possibly many hundreds more....perhaps prosecutors and law enforcement need to be held *accountable and responsible* for their part in any and all *CORRUPTION AND COVER UP*....before putting *INNOCENT PEOPLE TO DEATH*....just saying.
Red Green Mar 14, 12:20 p.m.
“There is no way anyone can make me believe that carrying out the death penalty is more expensive than a life of say 40 years or more in prison. I call BS on that one” driverkid3
I’m sure there’s no way of someone convincing you that 2+2=4 either but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s more expensive at present date to carry out the death penalty. That being said I do believe in the death penalty in such cases that provide irrefutable evidence. Many would argue that the death sentence is not a deterrent and in its current form I agree. It’s nothing more than a paper tiger, prisoners effectively live out their days on death row only to die of old age. Big whoop, what a deterrent! If we were to reform the death sentence and make it more of an inevitable reality I’m sure that opinion would quickly change.
goldenosprey Mar 14, 12:08 p.m.
"There is no way anyone can make me believe that carrying out the death penalty is more expensive than a life of say 40 years or more in prison. I call BS on that one. Just because you wish it was so does not mean it is." driverkid3
WRONG! NC would save 11 million by getting rid of the death penalty. Do a little research before you post your suppositions. To use your phrase- Just because you wish it was so does not mean it is.
V Vet 72-75 Mar 14, 11:57 a.m.
Reformed Liberal Mar 14, 11:47 a.m.
This liberal believes it is about time for the death row express lane.
Mon Account Mar 14, 11:34 a.m.
Have any people who received the death penalty said "yes, I stood there thinking 'oh no! The death penalty! Eh, I'll do it anyway'"?
The death penalty isn't evenly handed out, isn't proven effective as a deterrent, isn't conclusively proved to be less expensive, and our government has killed innocent citizens with it.
Terkel Mar 14, 11:21 a.m.
"If people see that if you commit murder you are going to get the death penalty, I would be willing to bet they would think twice."
"And you would lose that bet."
And YOU can't prove a negative. How can you show that there were not people who thought of killing someone, considered the consequences, and decided not to?
driverkid3 Mar 14, 11:17 a.m.
ljwhitmire::::It's well established that the death penalty costs a ton more than life in prison.
Sure it does. Someone pays for all the appeals, for the medical care, food, tv, education, and all the other things prisoners are treated tow hile in prison. The death penalty puts a stop to all that. There is no way anyone can make me believe that carrying out the death penalty is more expensive than a life of say 40 years or more in prison. I call BS on that one. Just because you wish it was so does not mean it is.
driverkid3 Mar 14, 11:01 a.m.
Johnny Voodoo::::If an illegal commits a crime in this country that warrants the death penalty, do we (the state)pull the lever on him/her even if they are not a U.S. citizen?
YES, YES, YES! Pull the lever, stick him or her with the needle, or gas them. They want the same things we have even though they are ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS, so let's give them what they want. We do it with everything else, why not this? I am completely and totally for the death penalty. There are many ways to prove a person guilty or innocent these days that we didn't have before, so I think the possibility of a wrong decision is just about gone. I also think in the case of murderers or rapists, they should make sure the picture of the person they violated is the last thing they see before they die.
gnewsome1 Mar 14, 11:00 a.m.
Some argue that the death penalty deters crime. Some argue that it doesn't. However no one can argue that a killer, once executed, will not kill again. That's a fact Jack, not a theory. Now bring the arguments on.
goldenosprey Mar 14, 11:00 a.m.
THANKS YOU Sen. Thom Goolsby!!!!"
.. for bring our justice system closer to those of Iran, China, North Korea and Saudi Arabia.
At least Saudi Arabia has universal healthcare.
samr Mar 14, 10:59 a.m.
Its not a deterrent to murder in any way but if the victims' families want this justice pursued and the jury has rendered that verdict, it should not be held up. If it falls under the RJA, then those will have to play out as long as the law is one the books.
goldenosprey Mar 14, 10:57 a.m.
Where are the jobs, Mr. Goolsby? It's not like Wilmington is teeming with jobs?
rcrdngcountry Mar 14, 10:54 a.m.
at last some one in north carolina has made a motion that makes
sense. thank you sen. thom goolsby.
68_dodge_polara Mar 14, 10:39 a.m.
I don't support the death penalty and still support this effort as the Racial Justice Act was written to stop all executions by tying up the cases in court and making it prohibitively expensive to pursue the death penalty. It's bankrupting the state. Pass a law to stop death penalty but do it with out this back door system of giving millions to lawyers. Any one surprised that this law was crafted by a practising attorney?
CLM Mar 14, 10:37 a.m.
THANKS YOU Sen. Thom Goolsby!!!!
hiddentreasurescruecds Mar 14, 10:35 a.m.
I don't have an issue with the death penalty, but is this more important than the economy and jobs?
goldenosprey Mar 14, 10:32 a.m.
The killers certainly are squealing with delight. By killers I mean the ones who think killing people shows that killing people is wrong. Their primitive thirst for blood and revenge is more expensive than keeping murderers locked up til they die.
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do we have a much higher murder rate than countries that don't have a death penalty?
Why stop there? Why not cut off hands of thieves to deter theft. (need a lot of handicap access on Wall Street). Heck, let's bring back stoning, or that favorite Christian motivator -burning at the stake.
jurydoc Mar 14, 10:15 a.m.
Given the continuing FACT that NO jurisdiction, NC included, has yet devised a PROCESS for applying the death penalty that is not fraught with arbitrary and capricious discretion on the part of police, prosecutors and other members of the system, I cannot support any rush to "re-instate" the death penalty in NC. From the decision whom to charge with first degree murder, to whom to charge capitally, the process and the significant amount of discretion afforded to prosecutors especially makes the entire process suspect.
jurydoc Mar 14, 10:12 a.m.
If people see that if you commit murder you are going to get the death penalty, I would be willing to bet they would think twice.
And you would lose that bet. Over and over. Why are you applying the principles of rational thought processes (i.e, forethought to consequences) to individuals and instances which are by and large absent these principles? How many murderers, at any time during their contemplation and execution of the murder give ANY thought to the outcome of what it is they are contemplating or doing??? Very few if any at all. Historically the death penalty was much more swift and certain for murders and there were still a significant number of murders. Thus, your notion that swifter, surer application of the death penalty would deter murderers is patently false. Murderers, especially first degree murderers (currently the only ones who face the death penalty) do NOT think like rational human beings.
jackflash123 Mar 14, 10:08 a.m.
" The 'liberal government think' is that the dead are dead, thus cannot pay much in taxes... That is really what your case boils down to - let the criminal live and pay more taxes"
That's a nice fiction you've created there to demonize people you disagree w/. Too loony to reply to further.
jackflash123 Mar 14, 10:03 a.m.
"Good news. I support the death penalty. I don't think we should take it off the table just because it might not deter other criminals. Firstly, I think it does do that. Secondly, I believe in punitive punishment. I don't think prison is just for rehabilitation."
#1, there is no logic or evidence that it does.
#2, I agree that it isn't *only* for rehab... do you accept that as *one* legit purpose of prison? B/c there's a pretty high rate of correlation in my experience between people who support the death penalty and people who express no appreciation for the rehabilitative potential of the penal system.
lprop Mar 14, 9:52 a.m.
If you take a person's life other than self defense and are found guilty in court then why should you be allowed to live?
readme Mar 14, 9:27 a.m.
Good news. I support the death penalty. I don't think we should take it off the table just because it might not deter other criminals. Firstly, I think it does do that. Secondly, I believe in punitive punishment. I don't think prison is just for rehabilitation.
Disabled Veteran Mar 14, 9:17 a.m.
Asked whether the state should be working to begin executions again, she said "no," adding that she would prefer to see life in prison be the maximum sentence for a crime.
Here lies the problem! Murderers don't have a problem with spending the rest of their life behind bars. Let's NOT give them that option. Put in an express lane to the death chamber.
sonicbluezx3 Mar 14, 9:11 a.m.
Punishments ought to be made more severe in this country so crime will go down. Taking guns away from legal citizens isn't going to bring down crime. The only way to reduce it is to make the justice system work properly! If people see that if you commit murder you are going to get the death penalty, I would be willing to bet they would think twice. And the death penalty ought to be a shot to the head so it's cheaper than life imprisonment as well.
I will say I do support the death penalty 100% IF AND ONLY IF there is zero doubt that person committed the crime.
davido Mar 14, 9:07 a.m.
So how many innocent people's lives is it worth to put to death those who deserve it? There are some, maybe just a few, who are on death row who truly do not deserve the death penalty, for whatever reason. I have no problem putting most killers to death, honestly, but our justice system is far from perfect. It does no harm to keep them locked up forever. And the license plates are nice.
Country Girlz Have MORE fun Mar 14, 8:35 a.m.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/documentaries/page/10942135/ This documentary made me see clearly (The Greg Taylor Story 6,149 Days)
Plenty Coups Mar 14, 8:18 a.m.
There are some people that simply deserve death for what they do. I as a potential victim, want that option so that those executed will never kill again. The process does need to be streamlined so that the 10+ years thing gets a bit more reasonable.
brogersmail Mar 14, 8:17 a.m.
It's about time that someone did something. Why should the tax payers keep criminals up for life? If sentenced to dead give them 30 days to get their life right with God and then carry out the death sentence.
Make the charges for drug dealers automatic sentence and on a second offence they to should be sentenced to death. That is the only way the US will ever get rid of drug problems. And they need to make it easier for law enforcement to charge drug dealers.
zenonx6 Mar 14, 8:15 a.m.
Put it on track and use it. Talking to a prison Psychologist a few weeks ago and he said that most at that facility were not someone you'd like to meet anywhere. Way past animal, never resembled human.
Crumps Br0ther Mar 14, 8:12 a.m.
What a grandtastic waste of money. It's well established that the death penalty costs a ton more than life in prison.
You have a source on that? I dont see how paying for someones clothes healthcare utilities and food for 50+ years is cheaper than a needle after all appeals have been exhausted? Heck the bill for legal fees, that we pay, for appeals has to be pretty high. I call nonsense on your assertion.
Crumps Br0ther Mar 14, 8:08 a.m.
Im kinda tired of paying for him when they are on the outide so I dont really want to pay for them when they are on the inside any long than I have too. For the most part every one of them has been raised by the system and thats what we get.
wilsmoku Mar 14, 6:07 a.m.
the TAX MAN said it all.
wilsmoku Mar 14, 6:05 a.m.
Killing people is wrong, and killing people for killing people is wrong.
so how about YOU paying to house them for life. im not willing to , so wheres the deterent for comitting a crime.
CJMajor65 Mar 13, 10:42 p.m.
A few people have pointed out that the death sentence does not deter crime, there is no degree of punishment that has proven to deter crime. In addition, we have low recidivism rates of those already incarcerated. Those on death row cause a lot of problems in prison because they know they have nothing to loose. Prison's are very volatile and dangerous environments filled with gang activity, drugs, etc. Many people come out of prison worse off than when they went in which is one reason the rate of re-offending is so high. Putting people in prison for any reason, under any sentencing, does not make the world a safer place.
CJMajor65 Mar 13, 10:22 p.m.
With all the wrongfully convicted we have in our prisons, all the wrongfully convicted the NC Innocence Commission has managed to free through DNA evidence, and the fact that many who have already been put to death were found to have actually been innocent the whole time this really needs to be taken into consideration when pushing for the death penalty.
sunshine1040 Mar 13, 9:54 p.m.
The death penalty insure that person will not do the crime again and maybe the person that thought he was a hero just might learn a less and stay honest
anclerson Mar 13, 9:17 p.m.
Never mind that research shows that the death penalty does nothing to deter crime, or that it costs society more to execute a prisoner than to incarcerate them for life... The GOP is on a "pro-life" crusade and can't be bothered with knowledge.
Doubleeagle Mar 13, 8:51 p.m.
And of course the death penalty is all about "justice." Putting people to death solves NOTHING...show me where those who murder are in such fear of our laws or lack of them that the general public is "safer" or less safe.
March 13, 2013 5:50 p.m.
It solves everything. The guilty will never commit another crime again. There is a reason the death penalty has been used throughout the history of civilization.
djhartm Mar 13, 8:47 p.m.
skell1000 Mar 13, 8:43 p.m.
Lolly52, reading/knowing another's thoughts isn't possible just as making killing another murderer lawful because a state says it's ok
ljwhitmire Mar 13, 8:26 p.m.
What a grandtastic waste of money. It's well established that the death penalty costs a ton more than life in prison. So what these people are saying is that we can't wait to spend more money. I thought we weren't rolling in cash, but I guess we must be. Glad to hear it!
lwe1967 Mar 13, 8:15 p.m.
If there is a confession, DNA, video evidence, or audio evidence, there should be no need to hold up an execution. I do not like to see anyone executed, but, when a person commits a henoius crime, and torchers his victim, etc., before he kills the victim, then he should be executed. I don't see what the problem is about how to execute them. The cheapest way is the rope. Why do people worry if it is humane or not. He/she was not humane when they killed their victim/s.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03