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  • slatesplace Mar 7, 2013

    This guy was probably recruited by extremeist Islamists while in prison in Vermont. I hope the bigger picture is being looked at. They need to go to the Vermont prison and see who this guy was associated with in prison and see if there are any ties that might lead us to other members of a cell. The fact that he fled to this area and then had bomb making instructions on a camera, as well as materials does not sound coincidental here. This seems to be organized. The question is by who and are there other associations involved. This guy could be a lead to something bigger, and somebody needs to do some real police work here. This is no time to be politically correct.

  • Ex-Republican Feb 28, 2013

    "The NC WMD statute has been on the books defining saw off shotguns and the like since the 60's or maybe 70's. It is not an abuse of language or trump up charges, it is the statutes that have been on the book for decades." subanitov

    That may be true. My point that Iraq was littered with WMDs is also true. Bush was right for invading Iraq.

  • Common_Sensey Feb 28, 2013

    "IAK...please turn off your TV and do some research on 9/11. They attacked us because of our military base on their holy land. They told us that. Bush removed them. They didnt attack us because we are free and prosperous. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis"

    You're 100% right. But don't forget to add that we "armed" who/what would become the terrorists back in the 80's when they were fighting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. So in a way, 9/11 is a remnant of the Cold War.

  • NotUrTypicalAmerican Feb 28, 2013

    poltically motivated is slowly being removed from that defintion a terrorist. Now its anyone who does something that makes you nervous. -Crumps Br0ther

    Or kills people for no good reason.

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 28, 2013

    "the term terrorism means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents"
    vinylcarwraps23

    poltically motivated is slowly being removed from that defintion a terrorist. Now its anyone who does something that makes you nervous.

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 28, 2013

    The legal definition of "terrorist".......

    "the term terrorism means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents"

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 28, 2013

    IAK...please turn off your TV and do some research on 9/11. They attacked us because of our military base on their holy land. They told us that. Bush removed them. They didnt attack us because we are free and prosperous. 15 of the hijackers were Saudi;s,.

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 28, 2013

    I'd like to see a link on that, cause what political gain were the 9/11 terrorists planning on?

    Their only motive was to kill as many of us as they could and strike terror in the hearts of the rest of us.
    Iak Hsehpen
    February 27, 2013 5:54 p.m.
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    They told us. Remove our military base off the Saudi's holy land. Bush moved them right after 9/11. Thats pretty political.

  • subanitov Feb 28, 2013

    I believe the law now calls pipe bombs and the like as WMD. "It's an unfortunate abuse of the language. According to this definition, Bush was absolutely right to invade Iraq because WMDs killed and mamed thousands of our fighting men and women!" timexliving

    Actually the WMD statute in NC long pre-dates Iraq and George Bush. The NC WMD statute has been on the books defining saw off shotguns and the like since the 60's or maybe 70's. It is not an abuse of language or trump up charges, it is the statutes that have been on the book for decades.

  • autismawareness Feb 28, 2013

    whomever let this dude out of vermont, should now be sitting in a cell next to him.

  • grimreaper Feb 27, 2013

    "These are pretty common items that are legal. Even instructions on making a bomb is legal under the First Amendment. So, is this another crime, or just isuation?" --timexliving

    Its called trumping it up...again, you would think shooting a trooper would be enough to convict and sentence a career criminal for the long haul...not in this liberal swill country...hence the trumping up...

  • Ex-Republican Feb 27, 2013

    "I don't know who it was that started calling shotguns and pipe bombs "weapons of mass destruction" but they are NOT!"

    dmarion2, I agree totally. I believe the law now calls pipe bombs and the like as WMD. It's an unfortunate abuse of the language. According to this definition, Bush was absolutely right to invade Iraq because WMDs killed and mamed thousands of our fighting men and women!

  • dmarion2 Feb 27, 2013

    I don't know who it was that started calling shotguns and pipe bombs "weapons of mass destruction" but they are NOT! Those are "conventional" weapons and dynamite, TNT, black powder etc are still just conventional" albeit "high" explosives.

    Real weapons of mass destruction are those which have a destructive power significantly out of proportion to their size and the use of which qualifies as "crimes against humanity." Traditionally, weapons of mass destruction were classified as NBC - Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical - i.e. atom bombs and hydrogen bombs (which use an atom bomb just to trigger them,) germ warfare agents such as weaponized Anthrax or Ebola for examples, and things like Sarin or Mustard gas.

    I wish people and the press in particular would not tend so much toward unwarranted sensationalism - the guy who was the subject of this news story was just a common every day criminal. He was not Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein.

  • Ricky Cash Feb 27, 2013

    i can't believe people are dumb enough to believe banning guns is going to curb violence when there are people who have access to materials to make bombs and can kill masses. stupidity alive and well in 2013.

  • lwe1967 Feb 27, 2013

    The judge in Vermont should be removed from the bench and charged.

  • snowl Feb 27, 2013

    Wow, and to think they caught him because of a seat belt violation.....Good work HP officer! Glad you are healing and back on the job.

  • Ex-Republican Feb 27, 2013

    "Police find bomb-making materials in trooper shooting suspect's home" So, was he charged with making weapons of mass destruction?

    Are any of the following things illegal to own:

    * PVC pipe (My plumbing is made of this)

    * a digital camera with [or without] "clear instructions marked how to make bombs (I don't have this)

    * salt (I have that in my kitchen)

    * a toolbox (I have a couple in my garage)

    * a scale (I have one in my bathroom)

    * reactive agents (you mean like baking soda, vinegar, Comet, Clorox) I have those around my house too.

    These are pretty common items that are legal. Even instructions on making a bomb is legal under the First Amendment.

    So, is this another crime, or just isuation?

  • eyeoneastsky Feb 27, 2013

    He was probably planning a bank heist to support his "family" -the girl and her unborn baby. A real Bonnie and Clyde duo. If neither of them were working as I assume, then how were they paying rent?

  • justcommonsense Feb 27, 2013

    I would agree Iak- it wasn't just the PVC and nails (or salt or toolbox), it was the some of the other things found with those things. But most importantly, the digital camera "clear instructions marked how to make bombs," as well as a large map of Durham on the bedroom wall with locations of police, fire and EMS stations marked.

    That to me would clearly spell out his intent to cause mass harm

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Feb 27, 2013

    And, by the way, according to the news I've heard and read, the authorities found more than mere pvc pipe and nails.

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Feb 27, 2013

    vinylcarwraps23 - "Some people need to look up the legal definition of "terrorist"."

    I'm thinking it depends upon his MOTIVES for the bomb-making materials, i.e. what was he going to use those bombs on and for.

    If for taking out a few gopher holes, perhaps not.

    If for taking out a government facility, than I'd definitely say so.

  • DontVote4LiarsCheatsOrThieves Feb 27, 2013

    vinylcarwraps23 - "No "terrorism" can only be applied if the "terror" is for "political gain"."

    I'd like to see a link on that, cause what political gain were the 9/11 terrorists planning on?

    Their only motive was to kill as many of us as they could and strike terror in the hearts of the rest of us.

  • bombayrunner Feb 27, 2013

    the best this guy can do is Jail, thats about it.

  • Relic Feb 27, 2013

    Timothy McVeigh anyone?

    I'm thinking more Eric Rudolph.

  • Relic Feb 27, 2013

    "pvc and nails...who doesn't have that"

    Well, if you go in a house and there's an area with PVC with glue and end-caps, a bunch of bags of nails and there's no construction going on in the house and other items that law enforcement know has been used for bomb-making and they're all in the same area....yeah...I'd pretty much say he wasn't just fixing the toilet.

  • Relic Feb 27, 2013

    We owe this trooper more than just him taking fire from this suspect. He may have saved a lot more lives by these materials never being used.

  • nymamiyankee Feb 27, 2013

    so young and so screwed up...throw away the key....

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 27, 2013

    @seankelly15 so you're saying there isn't a chance it can be upgraded to terrorism?
    romneycare
    February 27, 2013 3:46 p.m.
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    No "terrorism" can only be applied if the "terror" is for "political gain".

  • SFSOLDIER Feb 27, 2013

    He is not salvageable. In the slammer for life!

  • grimreaper Feb 27, 2013

    "All people that like dangerous things aren't messed up in the cabasa. Think of all the things that would have never come about during the industrial age if citizens would have been limited." --zenonx6

    Yes like all the high explosives the US Dept of Agriculture just purchased...somebody had to invent that...through experimentation...

  • grimreaper Feb 27, 2013

    Really, who doesn't have "bomb making" stuff...that's like saying you have burglary tools because you have a crowbar...not that he wasn't up to no good but please...we don't need the sensationalism here...really...pvc and nails...who doesn't have that...did they "actually" find anything manufactured into an explosive device?...if not then its all sensationalism and speculation...concentrate on the shooting charge...

  • dirtydozen431 Feb 27, 2013

    Sounds like he needs a change of venue to Orange County.

  • sinenomine Feb 27, 2013

    "And this was 'Breaking News' why?

    Everything is breaking news for the 24/7 entertainment industry that calls itself 'news.'" - disgusted2010

    Where are you, disgusted, and how do I get up with you to take you to a good restaurant for a steak dinner? A truer comment than yours has likely never been posted before on GOLO. I fully agree. Thank you.

  • zenonx6 Feb 27, 2013

    All people that like dangerous things aren't messed up in the cabasa. Think of all the things that would have never come about during the industrial age if citizens would have been limited .

  • Obamacare rises Feb 27, 2013

    Timothy McVeigh anyone?

  • CrazyFoxofCary Feb 27, 2013

    "Although this story isn't funny. It does seem like LOE's are finding all kinds of strange stuff every time someone is arrested for shooting a cop. The guy in LA and now this fellow. It all seems like a movie. It makes you think if this is all true.?????" Novacrazy2000 .... Unfortunately the types of people who shoot police officers aren't exactly upstanding citizens, so I would not be surprised if it.is more frequent that they have other tricks up their sleeve

    "When I was his age, I had lots of stuff described as "bomb-making" supplies in my garage. Pipe bombs were used for fishing and entertainment." - More Cowbell ...... I am glad you made it to adulthood (hopefully) in one piece... glad I never went fishing with you....

  • zenonx6 Feb 27, 2013

    In my years I have seen so many people that needed help. A lot didn't make it because they hurt so bad that they finally wound up taking their life rather than dealing with the pain. So many,, older , younger, the same age as I. Just suffering through their lives because no one bothered to ask. Are you okay ?? Some don't even reaise they have a problem or problems.. They just drag along mad, sad, hurt, aching inside and no one asks. And then when they get older they don't have that one thought that saves them.. There is something wrong with the way I'm thinking,. Why am I unhappy all the time and why do I look down on myself, why do others look down on me and persecute me.... I was lucky. I had the thought,, I asked myself,, Why am I unhappy. And the journey began.

  • romneycare Feb 27, 2013

    @seankelly15 so you're saying there isn't a chance it can be upgraded to terrorism?

  • zenonx6 Feb 27, 2013

    Our government just lets people like this grow up through our system and unleashes them on society. WHEN WILL THERE BE PROPER SCREENING OF THOSE WHO NEED HELP THROUGH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS???? WHAT IS OUR FUTURE IF THEY DON'T START ??

  • rocket Feb 27, 2013

    "Yep. This guy has all the symptoms of a sovereign citizen."

    What is that exactly?

  • Brian Jenkins Feb 27, 2013

    "Some people need to look up the legal definition of "terrorist". vinylcarwraps23"

    And SOME need to read the Patriot Act--the definition of terrorist changed a bit after 9/11 if I'm not mistaken..Not saying these 2 are or are not but it's so loosely applied now it's a coin toss.

    OH, and not taking up for them either.
    Scubagirl
    February 27, 2013 3:00 p.m.
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    You should read teh DHS memo on what makes you a "suspected terrorist". It includes "missing fingers", "taking photos of buildings", "taking photos of bridges". Now read teh NDAA on what can happen to US citizens for being a "suspected terrorist". I do not know how anyone who actaully read these documents then vote for Obama or Romney. Its mind blowing.

  • weasel2 Feb 27, 2013

    Another Timothy McVeigh. Glad he was caught before could do something else.

  • novacrazy2000 Feb 27, 2013

    Although this story isn't funny. It does seem like LOE's are finding all kinds of strange stuff every time someone is arresested for shooting a cop. The guy in LA and now this fellow. It all seems like a movie. It makes you think if this is all true.?????

  • pinehorse Feb 27, 2013

    Pipe bombs were used for fishing and entertainment?

    Maybe so, but when you try to murder a LEO on traffic stop you sort of put yourself into a different category.

  • peace2u Feb 27, 2013

    This boy was raised in a violent family and had mental illness issues as well. Too bad he didn't get help which might have prevented all this. And now an innocent baby will have a father and mother in prison.

  • disgusted2010 Feb 27, 2013

    And this was "Breaking News" why?

    Everything is breaking news for the 24/7 entertainment industry that calls itself "news."

  • WageSlave Feb 27, 2013

    Yep. This guy has all the symptoms of a sovereign citizen.
    NotUrTypicalAmerican

    You have been stereotyping this guy since day one.

    And if this government gets as oppressive as everyone is screaming for the reason keeping thier guns then you are going to be a soveriegn citizen.

    Did he even build a bomb? Heck im sure everyone has "bomb" building materials.

  • seankelly15 Feb 27, 2013

    romneycare - "Lock the GF up for terrorism too!!!!!"

    He isn't charged with terrorism. And, she IS locked up.

  • wral mods blow close my account Feb 27, 2013

    Guess Barry will require registration to buy pipe and nails - technetium9

    FYI - A law passed under Bush calls for registration of fertilizer buyers. You buy 25lb and you go on a list.

  • Scubagirl Feb 27, 2013

    "Some people need to look up the legal definition of "terrorist".
    vinylcarwraps23"

    And SOME need to read the Patriot Act--the definition of terrorist changed a bit after 9/11 if I'm not mistaken..Not saying these 2 are or are not but it's so loosely applied now it's a coin toss.

    OH, and not taking up for them either.

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