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  • anonymous99977 Feb 28, 9:52 p.m.

    It is my hope that North Carolinians make sure Gov. Pat McCrory is a one term governor. He is going to run this state to the ground. His policies are wrong for North Carolina and the Middle class. Not embracing Medicaid expansion is a fatal decision for the state's economy. What do you think of Bev Perdue now? HUGE MISTAKE.

  • lopo Feb 28, 10:18 a.m.

    As much as I am against medicaid stopping it will only hurt hospitals and EMS. These people do not care, they will continue to use EMS as a taxi and ER's as their free private doctors but now the govt won't pay anything and these people will never pay a red cent and the hospitals and EMS will suffer.

  • tigo7 Feb 28, 10:04 a.m.

    I think expanding Medicaid is a bad idea no matter the cookie the feds offer to take it. After 3 years the matching funds go away and then more of the matching feds funds go away and NC is on the line for all of it. Also consider a health care business cannot afford more than 40% of their practices to be from medicaid or one will be out of business. The rest has to come from private and self-pay patients because reimbursement rates are minimal and a business want have enough money to pay salaries, rent ,lights,insurance etc. I think people think of medicaid as paying like perhaps their own private health care insurance but it does not. For example a therapist said reimbursement is about 18 dollars an hour with lots of regulations that eat up more of one's time. One can imagine the beurocracy required to handle the endless regulations /paperwork involved which is also costly for state governments interms of employees salaries and retirement.

  • NcNativeRaleigh Feb 27, 5:35 p.m.

    With Obama-Care possibly "we the people" can get some relief... "monies", thru penalties (tariffs)as reimbursement for the uninsured and take control of inflated medical cost which lead to higher insurance premiums to offset the medical expenditures they, the uninsured create while staying true to our belief of helping those less fortunate. That is fair and that is conservatism that all can and should support...except welfare Republicans. They would rather act like spoiled brats stomping their feet. No doubt the entitlement mentality of corporate welfare has been lead by blind mice marching to the tune of today's GOP which promises with just one more tax cut, they will give you a better paying job...and off the cliff the blind mice go.

  • jeffdewitt Feb 27, 3:55 p.m.

    Excellent news, we need to be doing things to improve health care access and cost, and ObamaCare does exactly the opposite. This new law puts North Carolina squarely on the side of the good guys in fighting the worst piece of legislation since the New Deal.

  • junkmail5 Feb 27, 3:20 p.m.

    "Please show me proof that their study is wrong." PC, still fighting about the report funded by DHHS

    Show me proof it's accurate. You brought it up.
    Morrigan

    that's now how adults have discussions.

    He presented a report. With research, data, and conclusions.

    If you wish to state it's not correct you need to provide evidence of it.

    Stamping your feet and going "nu uh!" is not a rational rebuttal of his source.

  • goldenosprey Feb 27, 3:10 p.m.

    "oldaltar- I totally agree. Chris Christi showed that he cares about his constituents more than a particular political party. In my opinion that is a true public servant. I would love a Chris Christi in NC.- F2bM

    If repubs don't realize that CC and his sort are the only hope of salvation for their party, they will find themselves irrevocably marginalized. Otherwise, he could be the Reagan of the next decade. Even fraudster Rick Scott took the money, Pat. Maybe he was still smarting from the loss of other fed money 2 years ago.

  • Terkel Feb 27, 2:51 p.m.

    "If you make $15K a year you cannot afford health insurance."

    Tell it it your hero. He said we have to spend our money as he orders us to, and you re-elected him.

    "It's not like Roses and Maxway are going to insure the poor."

    That's right. The way 0 wrote this, the middle class is going to insure the poor. Again, complain to him.

  • Terkel Feb 27, 2:47 p.m.

    "Please show me proof that their study is wrong." PC, still fighting about the report funded by DHHS

    Show me proof it's accurate. You brought it up.

  • No Party Affiliate Feb 27, 2:40 p.m.

    "oldaltar- I totally agree. Chris Christi showed that he cares about his constituents more than a particular political party. In my opinion that is a true public servant. I would love a Chris Christi in NC."

    Gotta admit, I do like Chris Christi and thought everyone did as well except his own party. His own party does not like him and calls him a traiter. What does that say about his party?
    Christi has made his party mad so I guess he is doing something right.

  • Cary Progressive Feb 27, 2:03 p.m.

    Tsk tsk tsk. NC GOPers think they're getting back at the poor and indigent "takers" but they're just going to pay more in health care costs due to their petty intransigence. Their hospital visits cost taxpayers WAY more than covering them via Medicaid. Idiotic and hateful is the GOP way of doing business.
    Here's one old article I found on this....
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1734&dat=19890320&id=C1McAAAAIBAJ&sjid=K1IEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2308,2068834

  • free2bme Feb 27, 1:57 p.m.

    oldaltar- I totally agree. Chris Christi showed that he cares about his constituents more than a particular political party. In my opinion that is a true public servant. I would love a Chris Christi in NC.

  • goldenosprey Feb 27, 12:01 p.m.

    ""COST of health care."

    Good point. ObamaCare doesn't address it. Republicans are only addressing it by opening up competition in such a way that health care consumers can see what their share of the cost is. Unlikely, that will cause health insurance to actually go down significantly."-timexliying

    Care to explain why medical costs are 50-70% LOWER in countries with socialized medicine?

    Where is the logic in turning down the jobs and turning down the healthcare? If you make $15K a year you cannot afford health insurance. It's not like Roses and Maxway are going to insure the poor.

  • oldaltar Feb 27, 11:23 a.m.

    NC need a governor more in the likeness of Chris Christi. He would not allow Art Pope and the NC Tea Party to Push him around. This person who is in the NC Governor office is brought and paid for and does not have the courage at this point to think for himself. Essentially the legistature is the executor of the ststae of NC with Art Pope being in charge of the money.

  • maybelle Feb 27, 11:12 a.m.

    JunkMan5- Is this per person or per household?
    Thanks for your answer

  • junkmail5 Feb 27, 10:56 a.m.

    Sorry, obvious typo in my last post- should read:

    $133.41 a month is the national average. That's $30.78 a WEEK on average.

    north carolina specifically gets less- $121.37 a month- which is $28 a WEEK.

    (corrections in caps)

  • junkmail5 Feb 27, 10:45 a.m.

    LOL Junkmail5 we need to meet so I can see where you are getting your info- maybelle

    From the actual government programs. It's easy info to look up.

    Notice how I gave specific numbers? You gave vague claims with nothing to back them up.

    Guess NC has higher stats than most states. We were ranked as 5th poorest state don't know if its changed since 2010-maybelle

    No we aren't. Not even close.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

    Neither in 2009 or 2011 were we even in the top 10 poorest. (all #s from US Census Bureau.

    On food stamps- again, from the actual source-
    http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/18SNAPavg$PP.htm

    $133.41 a month is the national average. That's $30.78 a month on average.

    north carolina specifically gets LESS- $121.37 a month- which is $28 a month.

    Literally everything in your post was wrong. Easily, provably, wrong.

    The only joke was your claims about how high on the hog all the poor people live.

  • maybelle Feb 27, 10:25 a.m.

    LOL Junkmail5 we need to meet so I can see where you are getting your info. I have been doing these things since 1972. Guess NC has higher stats than most states. We were ranked as 5th poorest state don't know if its changed since 2010.
    And lots of people are total electric. Where did you get your FS adverage. It was $204 per year. The $30 is a joke. Just saying

  • Plenty Coups Feb 27, 10:16 a.m.

    "Oh and BTW, if you go to NCIOM's website you'll see that NC DHHS is one of their TOP THREE "MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS AND FUNDERS"!!!"

    They work hand in hand because they are in the health care field, like Blue Cross and Blue Shield. But they were created by the General Assembly back in the 1980s "to provide balanced, nonpartisan information on issues of relevance to the health of North Carolina’s population."

    Please show me proof that their study is wrong. You can't but you'll just dispute it because you don't want to believe it.

  • rcrdngcountry Feb 27, 10:15 a.m.

    the republicans throw it to the poor. they should have to go
    without health care for the next 4 year, and have a hard time
    getting help when you are sick. all people that need medicaid are not sorry lazy bums. some are on hard times, got sick young
    in life, and really need help. DON'T JUDGE EVERYONE BY A FEW.
    the truth is the GOP don't want to get involved with anything
    that has to do with the low income.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 27, 10:11 a.m.

    morrigan-"You believe the state when you want free stuff,"

    What are you talking about? I do tend to belive reports if there isn't any actual evidence to dispute their findings.

    " and revile them over teachers pay."

    Yes, the state needs to honor its word when they hired teachers. Don't you agree?

    " You have no cred with me."

    LOL.

  • NC_interest Feb 27, 9:11 a.m.

    Way to go GOP, giving all our tax money for Medicaid to other states. With Libs like this, who needs the democrats?

  • banker27520 Feb 27, 8:52 a.m.

    "What amazes me is some of you do not know the so called poor eat better have better houses and are able to go to the dr. more than the middle class 1. HUD pays rent or house payment. 2. Charity care or Medicaid pays Drs and hospital visits 3 Food stamps buy all their groceries 4. Lieap gives them money every year to pay part of the electric- maybelle"

    That is a completely false statement in every regard.

  • junkmail5 Feb 27, 8:38 a.m.

    What amazes me is some of you do not know the so called poor eat better have better houses and are able to go to the dr. more than the middle class 1. HUD pays rent or house payment. 2. Charity care or Medicaid pays Drs and hospital visits 3 Food stamps buy all their groceries 4. Lieap gives them money every year to pay part of the electric- maybelle

    mainly they don't know that because it's not true.

    the number of people getting money under most of those programs is tiny... and the benefits a lot smaller than you seem to think.

    the average food stamp benefit is just over $30 a week.

    If that's "eating better" than you I feel very very sorry for you.

    The free housing stuff goes to about 1% of the population of the US... what are the other 90+% of poor people doing?

    LIEAP pays for HEATING, not electricity... and makes ONE payment a year to do so. And only covers about 3% of the US population... what are the rest doing?

    you're wrong pretty much across the board

  • NYtoNC81 Feb 27, 8:11 a.m.

    primedpeppers: Look at all the Democratically run states and see where they are economically. California, Michigan, New York, etc. I could name more, but I think my point is well taken so far. Now check out pro-growth states like Texas, North Dakota etc. that are pro-energy and free of environmental loons. It really ends the debate based on their economic performance.

    Me: According to the BEA, the states in the top quintile of economic growth in 2011 were as follows:

    Connecticut
    Massachusetts
    California
    Oregon
    Utah
    Texas
    North Dakota West Virginia Michigan Alaska

    My big qualification for this is the states who got hit the hardest will likely have higher growth back to the mean (Michigan for example)

    Not sure who runs each of those states but I do know it's pretty equal in terms of being a blue/red state for presidential elections.

    What statistic were you using? Which do you think is the best to use?

  • maybelle Feb 27, 7:33 a.m.

    What amazes me is some of you do not know the so called poor eat better have better houses and are able to go to the dr. more than the middle class
    1. HUD pays rent or house payment.
    2. Charity care or Medicaid pays Drs and hospital visits
    3 Food stamps buy all their groceries
    4. Lieap gives them money every year to pay part of the electric

    Hello folks they eat better than me& mine
    WAKE UP NC Dems. & Republicans both
    Something is wrong with this picture

  • NcNativeRaleigh Feb 27, 7:29 a.m.

    I believe this is called cutting off your arm to spite your hand... Funny thing, it will be McCrory's signing his death sentence as a governor. a true conservative would get the citizens of our great state the benefits for what the people of N.C. paid for in their taxes paid. Just another welfare Republican expecting the working people of NC to pay for the GOP ideology.

  • Qwerty27807 Feb 27, 4:10 a.m.

    Everyone is complaining about WHO will pay for healthcare.

    Why is no one asking WHY is costs so much?

    A couple of days in the hospital, for something routine, can cost more than a luxury car. How is that possible?

    Until we address costs and billing transparency, this whole Obamacare thing is like repainting the kitchen before the house fire is out.

  • Terkel Feb 26, 8:26 p.m.

    Oh and BTW, if you go to NCIOM's website you'll see that NC DHHS is one of their TOP THREE "MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS AND FUNDERS"!!!

    Know who else is? El Pueblo. And many many NC "boards" that get tax money. Want to see?

    http://www.nciom.org/about-us/supporters/

    LMAO AT YOU!

  • Terkel Feb 26, 8:20 p.m.

    Plenty, "he who pays the piper calls the tune." The Auditor pretty well pulled their pants down in the middle of Dix Campus last week.

    You believe the state when you want free stuff, and revile them over teachers pay. You have no cred with me.

  • miseem Feb 26, 8:03 p.m.

    The fact that you people don't see accepting more federal handouts as a problem is the root of the problem.
    You are right. We are handing it out. To other states. NC taxpayers will be paying to cover the Medicaid expansion for people in Florida, New Jersey, etc. But not in NC.

  • beaupeep Feb 26, 7:59 p.m.

    The fact that you people don't see accepting more federal handouts as a problem is the root of the problem.

  • miseem Feb 26, 7:58 p.m.

    And by the way, NC does not get an exemption from the federal taxes used on the Medicaid expansion, we still pay for that. We just won't see any benefits or return of that money to NC. But then again, we are smarter than the other states.

  • eddybal Feb 26, 7:57 p.m.

    This is a stubborn expression of ideology. Where has our business savvy governor gone?

  • miseem Feb 26, 7:53 p.m.

    Seems like a lot of GOP states are changing their minds about expanding Medicaid. Problem is, the NC GA and Governor have been bragging so long and hard that they would cut it out, they backed themselves in a corner. So, NC federal taxpayers, see some more of your federal taxes being shipped to other states instead of being spent here. Another feather in the cap of our JOB CREATING state government. Oh, but in about 8 years, a couple of hundred people may get jobs destroying the state ecology by fracking.

  • stymieindurham Feb 26, 7:38 p.m.

    "Great!! Now when do they vote in more tax breaks for millionaires?"

    Such a biased political comedian. I don't think there was any mention of that in this article. Try again.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 26, 7:27 p.m.

    morrigan-"What happens if the public reins in Medicaid? They might lose their cushy jobs."

    So you have nothing to counter their study with except your unsubstantiated claims. 23,000 jobs gone because of politics. Wow. DHHS contracted with a private economic group to do the study but that doesn't matter to people like you. Why even bother debating any issue as its obvious you'll never let evidence change what you want to believe? Black is white and white is black if it fits your ideology. Here's a link to the actual study for those who want primary sources:

    http://www.nciom.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Final-App-D-REMI-North-Carolina-Medicaid-Report-1-7-13-FINAL.pdf

  • Terkel Feb 26, 7:12 p.m.

    "The 23,000 jobs figure comes from a study commissioned by the STATE Department of Health and Human Services."

    What do the DHHS hacks do for a living? That's right, they muck around with govt health insurance.

    What happens if the public reins in Medicaid? They might lose their cushy jobs.

    Now follow me closely: What do you think they're going to do, tell you the truth?

    No.

    "I want to get more and more people on Medicaid!" Tara Larson, Chief something or other who so far has kept her job, March 2011.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 26, 7:11 p.m.

    Ilovedowntownraleigh-Well said. We will pay more so they can send a political message to Obama.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 26, 7:10 p.m.

    Yankee-"..., is not a good economic policy when taxpayer money and taxpayers are the victims."

    It's basic math, as hospitals themselves are offering to pay for any cost difference. But you seem fine with the most inefficient method of health care delivery in the world; let the poor go to the ER so I can pay more in premiums.

    "Tell you what Plenty Coup, find yourself a Medicaid patient who will be denied, and personally sponsor their health care."

    I strongly support a universal healthcare system which would include paying my fair share of taxes for the poor. You seem to fall for the line that somehow we're saving money by opting out of Medicaid. Those people still need to get treated and someone's got to pay. Guess who? ...Those with health insurance! BTW, I'm still wondering when you're going to back up your statements with legitimate links. Like your claim that obamacare will add 6.1 trillion to the debt.

  • ILoveDowntownRaleigh Feb 26, 6:59 p.m.

    Both the article itself and most of the posters on this thread are debating our state Medicaid bill as an idealogical war between Republicans and Democrats. That is misleading. This Medicaid Bill is a war between NC Republicans and common sense.

    "...GOP leaders said it wasn't the federal budget they were worried about. Sen. Harry Brown, R-Onslow, said Medicaid threw the budget out of balance last year and was on track to run a $300 million deficit this year."

    Right, Mr. Brown. And the federal government wants to give us $300 million EVERY THREE MONTHS for 3 years and then $300 million EVERY FOUR MONTHS for 4 more years after that. During which time our Republican legislature could FIX the state's Medicaid problems - which they claim they will be doing anyway. Meantime we could all enjoy 500,000 fewer homeless citizens and 23,000 new jobs for our state.

  • Terkel Feb 26, 6:57 p.m.

    "So, the party that likes to trumpet "states rights" is actually turning over something to the federal government?"

    So no. So they're exercising states' rights.

  • Terkel Feb 26, 6:56 p.m.

    "ObamaCare itself will have to step up to the plate and insure these individuals via the ObamaCare Health Exchanges. The problem is that this will likely raise everyone's health insurance, including those with private insurance."

    Tell it to the takers who voted for 0bama. I already know.

  • timexliving Feb 26, 6:56 p.m.

    "Until we can stop the fraud and corruption that WE, not the Feds, not the UN, WE pay for, every attempt to control these runaway programs is the way to go."

    yankee1, I agree 100%. All of us are ultimately responsible. Refusing federal funds is a first step at reforming the system.

  • thayerguy Feb 26, 6:54 p.m.

    "Sorry, but stupid is as stupid does, is not a good economic policy when taxpayer money and taxpayers are the victims. Tell you what Plenty Coup, find yourself a Medicaid patient who will be denied, and personally sponsor their health care. That will make you feel better about your life!"

    The only stupid is the GOP and their policies.

  • thayerguy Feb 26, 6:53 p.m.

    "Only if you're one of those milking the system. If you are paying the bill, you should be sick of all the fraud and corruption, paying for care for illegals, people that have kids just to get more benefits and flat out cheaters."

    Not a milker here, always have had a job, paid in my share and glad to do it. lol seems like you've been listening to the right wingers way to long.

  • NoMoreOfThat Feb 26, 6:49 p.m.

    Done.

    Next.

  • yankee1 Feb 26, 6:48 p.m.

    Great!! Now when do they vote in more tax breaks for millionaires?

    Tomorrow, I hope! Love watching the jealous amongst us lose their minds!

  • forddp Feb 26, 6:48 p.m.

    The 23,000 jobs figure comes from a study commissioned by the STATE Department of Health and Human Services. Where is the study that says otherwise?

  • yankee1 Feb 26, 6:46 p.m.

    lol, more like selfish children in charge. Bad news for all of us.
    thayerguy

    Only if you're one of those milking the system. If you are paying the bill, you should be sick of all the fraud and corruption, paying for care for illegals, people that have kids just to get more benefits and flat out cheaters.

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